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gmc
03-06-2001, 07:08 AM
this is very cropped. i got this far but something appears to be wrong with the right side of the face and i can't seem to see what it is. and i am not really sure how to finish off a pastel to make the different transition areas of colors blend together. Artisty, Sandra where are you???? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif <IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2001/bmary.jpg" border=0> forgot to add that the clothing and veil are incomplete as well as the backgroung. what do you do with a background?

[This message has been edited by gloria777a (edited March 06, 2001).]

nancymae
03-06-2001, 07:31 AM
This is very beautiful. I love the modeled face.....the soft strokes. Very moving piece. I will let the experts tell you about the background. I have only begun in pastels...so I will be watching for the answer as well!!!

Nancy

Pray
03-06-2001, 10:41 AM
This is the first time I've commented on anyone's work. I'm so moved by this I have to. While I don't feel qualified to critique, I certainly can appreciate. Absolutely lovely. Re your post. If anything, I would darken the cloth fold by the cheek as the light source seems to be from the other side. Thanks for letting me see this. I'm going to look for your other work.

Pat

LDianeJohnson
03-06-2001, 03:22 PM
Gloria,

So very sorry...an intense week here. I've been called away to work on a large graphic design project for the last week and have been lean on WC responses. Saw your post and want to help if I can. Could you please post the original you are working from? If you are working from your own concept let me know this as well.

This piece looks beautiful and can be adjusted no matter what the issue is http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Diane

gmc
03-06-2001, 04:00 PM
Artistry:;; actually it is my own concept. i do not have a reference nor a photo. sorry just my head. remembering the hair, neck, veil and clothing are only roughed in. My main concern is the right side of her face. It doesn't seem to turn or angle correctly. I think I have to shorten the neck and bring the shoulder up as well as the clothing. To me one side of her face seems to be turned one way and the other in the opposite direction. I have never finished a pastel before and I do not want to go further and ruin it. Thanks for your help. gloria

gmc
03-06-2001, 04:04 PM
Hi everyone, sorry, like Artistry, I am usually bogged down during the week with children, lesson plans and curriculum. Happen to catch a snow day. But, Nancy, Pat and Ken thank you for you suggestion and support. I so much appreciate it. I just don't know how to finish off a pastel piece. I think its called "pulling it together." I will keep working on it and show the finished piece. gloria

Ohju
03-06-2001, 09:38 PM
This is very good w/out a reference!
My personal tips would be:
Nose-right nostril needs to be a little forward than the left side. Left side, smaller.
Darken a little more on the rightside under the chin
Folds of clothing-darken the leftside behind the large fold. Lighten the large left fold on the tip.,blend in med. tones.
Background-I never do them..can't help you there.
If this helps, glad for it. Should find a reference photo for the clothing or at least something close to it.
I used to do pastels from black and white photos..using what colors I see fit for the subject. Just have been away from it too long, need to get back to it.
Good luck!

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4vincent
03-07-2001, 12:25 AM
It's hard to say without seeing your photo reference. You could look at the reverse image in a mirror to compare.
Offhand, the colors are nice; you may be giving too much attention to the edges on that side; hence drawing your eye there. Look for some lost and found edges along the veil around the face, softening areas, epecially the veil and hair at the bottom.
Background could include colors to add to skintones to give unity, or just dark and light values simply stated. Ken

Gerak
03-07-2001, 12:28 AM
Gloria - she's beautiful!!
Her neck is a bit too strong, I would darken the left oh her neck, or I would draw some hair there.I'm sure Sandra and Diane will help you with the backgorund. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

P.S.
Are you familiar with Murillo ?

gmc
03-07-2001, 05:29 AM
Ohju...ya know as soon as you said it about the nose and nostril, i saw it immediately. Your are right, maybe thats the entire problem. I hope, I hope!!!thanks that was a biggy.

Gerak...You are an angel!! ahhhhh, ooops no pun intended. But you are. I was not familiar with Murillo. But i quickly checked him out this am. From Spain. In the short amount of time i spent viewing his works, i found several that I may be able to use for a reference on the clothing and veil. And that veil has to be changed. Looking at Murillo's work I did the veil all wrong.

Back to the drawing board. I feel so inspired right now. But I am afraid that work thing is getting in the way today.

Thank you all!! Any other hints, suggestions please pass them along. Gloria

ps Gerak I put her eyes in your "realistic eyes project" off to work.

Gerak
03-07-2001, 01:06 PM
Murillo is one of my favorite artist.
Here is some link with his work:
CGFA's (http://www.bibl.u-szeged.hu/cgfa/murillo/index.html)
Web gallery (http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/m/murillo/index.html)

Good luck with your painting! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

LDianeJohnson
03-07-2001, 01:50 PM
Hi Gloria,

To best show you what I am seeing I did a very rough Photoshop overlay here:

<IMG SRC="http://www.ldianejohnson.com/wetcanvas/bmary2.jpg" WIDTH=492 HEIGHT=500 ALIGN=bottom>

1. You have two light sources going on. Choose the one you prefer. I think the one to the right works best for the subject. Although light from above would be more appropriate for the subject, it causes gruff shadows on the face.

2. You have some lovely colors going here. Again for the subject, you can use a more delicate hand and less dark shadow areas.

3. Notice the mouth and nose width in particular. Each was rendered nicely. The eyes just indicate a wider, more right positioned mouth. Technically, a mouth is as wide as from pupil to pupil in the eyes. The nostrils also needed to be moved to the right just a bit as well. And since the nose is closest to the viewer, add a bit more highlight on the ball of the nose.

4. In keeping with your light source, the shadows created by the fabric over her face must show as well. Be careful of getting too dark and make the shape correct on the face.

5. The right side of the face near the jaw line that you asked about. It just needs a bit of value shifting to make it appear less flat. View your own face in the same kind of light to use as a model.

6. The background. Lovely colors here as well. Keep the bulk of the light on the background where you had it then bring a bit right across the back of the figure and onto the left side of the painting, but not as bright as near the light's source. Granted, this illustration is very rough, but you get the idea. It will give you some needed drama, reverence and tie the painting together.

You've done a beautiful job doing this from you mind's eye! When in doubt, just use yourself or other real live person as a quick model to solve structural issues.

It is nearly finished. Be careful not to overwork or push it too far.

Hope these tips help.
Diane



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gmc
03-07-2001, 07:20 PM
Diane.. Oh, what can i say. I am so awed by your help. Thank you. I will try to follow all the suggestions and post the finished product. I hope I can do it. I can see it all. I printed everything out so not to lose any of your wonderful experience. How very kind you are! gloria

gmc
03-07-2001, 07:31 PM
Gerak...I have been viewing Murillo on the sites you suggested. What feeling, what passion, what love is dipicted in each of his pieces. I have fallen in love with his "Beggar Boy" The legs, the feet, the clutching of his clothing on his chest. You can feel the pain, the agony, the loneliness.
It has not yet left my mind. Thank you for sharing your inspiration. I am in hopes a small amount of that inspiration will show when I attempt to apply all the wonderful experience Diane has just shared with me. gloria

stealth
03-12-2002, 07:25 PM
i like this one too.what a great painting,im glad i went back and looked through all your paintings,you have a great style.;)