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HarvestMoon
10-11-2005, 01:33 PM
Since I have spent days organizing and re-organizing the very best of my pastels, I thought some of you pondering which sets to add to your wish list might like to see the pictures- none are whole sticks- they are all broken pieces so that I can see them all without the labels and all at once. Hope you enjoy my obsessive pastel nature.

First is the Great Americans:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2005/57497-pastel-set-GA.jpg
Then the Mount Visions:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2005/57497-pastel-set-mount-vision.jpg
Then the Unisons:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2005/57497-pastel-set-unisons.jpg
Then Giraults:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2005/57497-pastel-set-girault.jpg
And BlockX:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2005/57497-pastel-set-block-x.jpg

Please feel free to add your own to this thread so we can see them all!

khourianya
10-11-2005, 01:36 PM
nofair to make me drool like this right before lunch!!!! These are beautiful photos though...absolutely gorgeous! Makes me wanna go home and paint...

Khadres
10-11-2005, 01:47 PM
OK....ummmm...these are just half sticks right? Ummm....I would not mind at all giving a home to the OTHER half!! :D

Mannnnnnnnn....I agree....it would be a tad intimidating just to choose one wot use!!!

khourianya
10-11-2005, 03:19 PM
OK....ummmm...these are just half sticks right? Ummm....I would not mind at all giving a home to the OTHER half!! :D


lol - I was just about to ask the exact same thing....

tell ya what - you take the GAs and I will take the Mt Visions and Giraults (since I can't get those here)...sound good?

Khadres
10-11-2005, 04:42 PM
Well, okay....works for me!

We get the boxes too, right?

HarvestMoon
10-11-2005, 04:45 PM
Well, sorry guys, but I put the half on there that had not been used or dropped (for the most part) on the floor in the picture. Um, the goat ate them? But when I win the Lotto.....I'll just send you new full sets.... of course, I would have to start PLAYING the Lotto, but my husband does not like the math...

Deborah Secor
10-11-2005, 05:01 PM
Wise man...

As a longtime professional pastelist let me point out that I have NOwhere near the amount of pastels you do! <giggle> Why is that? I need to rectify this problem, I guess.

Deborah

khourianya
10-11-2005, 05:05 PM
I think that means you are justified in submitting a letter to Santa, Deborah!!! lol.

Khadres
10-11-2005, 05:36 PM
Yes, Deborah, you need to get into acquisition mode! Surely you need a few more Ludwigs? A couple dozen GAs? I know how you are able to resist, tho....with that one box you use already full up, why buy more, right? Wish I had that box! Any chance of you showing that box again? I'm sure Donna hasn't seen it, etc.

khourianya
10-11-2005, 05:51 PM
ohh - yes, please do, Deborah! And anyone else too, who wants to show it off!!!!! I could look at pastel boxes all day! Plus, I need to figure out exactly what colours I am lacking!!!! My new pastel box is only half full!!!!

Khadres
10-11-2005, 05:54 PM
How lovely! Half a box EMPTY and just waiting to be filled! You'll have to think of what those missing colours were when you last plein aired! Greens? Earths? Blues?
The choice is enough to fill another ten boxes! Wheeeeeeeeeee!

Kathryn Wilson
10-11-2005, 06:06 PM
Shaking my head in disbelief - I have nowhere that amount of pastels. And my boxes don't look that either - even after I spent weeks organizing, culling, re-organizing. After the last painting, they are a mess again.

Deborah Secor
10-11-2005, 06:11 PM
"Santa" frowns because the accountant ("Santa's" other hat) says the pastels are write-offable but gifts aren't!

Here's my box:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2005/23609-palette.JPG

Everything's in it--my GAs, Schminckes, Unisons, Ludwigs, Giraults, a few Nupes and Townsends. I only have one other set (more like leftovers) and that's the giant Senneliers. The box is approximately 16x30". That's all, folks!

Deborah

khourianya
10-11-2005, 07:09 PM
ummm....droooooooooooool

HarvestMoon
10-11-2005, 08:14 PM
What are Nupes?

Bringer
10-11-2005, 08:17 PM
Hi Purples,

Nupastels ?

Kind regards,

José

P.S. I hope she didn't mean nukes ? :-)

HarvestMoon
10-11-2005, 08:29 PM
Donna has convinced me that everything can be written off ;) but perhaps someone who actually understands accounting for artists can start a thread about how to do it..... Jose, I bet it is nupastels- the world has had enough disasters lately and that is for sure!!

Khadres
10-11-2005, 09:57 PM
"Santa" frowns because the accountant ("Santa's" other hat) says the pastels are write-offable but gifts aren't!

Here's my box:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Oct-2005/23609-palette.JPG

Everything's in it--my GAs, Schminckes, Unisons, Ludwigs, Giraults, a few Nupes and Townsends. I only have one other set (more like leftovers) and that's the giant Senneliers. The box is approximately 16x30". That's all, folks!

Deborah

I notice you seem to have a LOT of light shades....not that many medium ones....is that because so many of your ptgs are "high key" or light predominately?

Deborah Secor
10-12-2005, 12:07 AM
Yes, NuPastels..nupes for short around here! I only use the bottle green color, lower right hand corner.

Hmmm, high key? No, I don't think so. Maybe it's just where I live. Everyone says it's the light in New Mexico (which always makes me want to ask if it's the dark anywhere else!?) But it can be a rather bright place. I did a series ofexperiments one time in whihc I tried to make very high key paintings--remember the white article? It was quite a challenge!

Deborah

CindyW
10-12-2005, 12:28 AM
Deborah, you have those pastel colors so organized it looks like a prism rainbow has fallen over the box!
Is there a physical properties reason why you use the bottle green only?
Cindy

And I am amazed that those are all the colors you use! I surely would have thought many more!!

Artistammy
10-12-2005, 09:55 AM
I think we sometimes get caught up in this thing that if we just had more pastels our paintings would be so much better. Deborah proves that's not true. Of course, I've heard of some other wonderful artists that have drawers & drawers full. :evil:
Tammy

HarvestMoon
10-12-2005, 10:31 AM
Well, my purpose in posting the pictures of the different sets was not to show off how many pastels I had, but to show everyone what the different colors in the different sets that I have look like. If I had been able to actually see all the colors, feel the textures, etc. I probably would not have ended up buying nearly so many. But since I did, I thought everyone would be able to determine what sets they really wanted or needed by actually seeing the colors in them- which is hard to do when you see a tiny picture on a website that has pastels in wrappers. I hesitated to do this at all, knowing I would probably be slammed for having so many pastels compared to my talent level, but was hoping it would be of some benefit and enjoyment to the members. I was also hoping some other people might post pictures of sets that I don't have shown, so we could have sort of a reference collection of the different types.

E-J
10-12-2005, 10:46 AM
... I'm trying to track down the 'Buy It Now' button :D

Kathryn Wilson
10-12-2005, 10:57 AM
I was also hoping some other people might post pictures of sets that I don't have shown, so we could have sort of a reference collection of the different types.

Purples, do you have Art Spectrum? It is nice to see all the different sets so we can see the actual colors and sizes of the sticks.

I actually took time to catalog my sets in a book that contains a swatch of each color. Talk about being picky! But when I go to my book, I can see what a color looks like before I re-order. (one problem, when I go to my boxes the sticks have no labels, so other than the Ludwigs, Mount Visions, I am having problems identifying what brand they are) so your having your sets organized this way, gives me an idea.

I am waaaaay behind in buying pastels.

khourianya
10-12-2005, 10:58 AM
I hesitated to do this at all, knowing I would probably be slammed for having so many pastels compared to my talent level, but was hoping it would be of some benefit and enjoyment to the members. I was also hoping some other people might post pictures of sets that I don't have shown, so we could have sort of a reference collection of the different types.

I don't think you are being slammed at all, Linda. We are all at varying talent levels, income levels and studio sizes so we can't judge what anyone has or uses. If anything, I think we are making fun of our own general compulsions to own every single colour that's out there :D

I agree that had I known what many of the colours in my sets actually were, I may not have bought some of them. On the other hand, I love ALL of my pastels and love the variations in the colours just enough to want to have them all!

I live in an area where I can't buy most of these pastel brands locally. In fact, I would need to order them out of the US or England to get them. So, when anything aside from a schmincke or a rembrandt is shown, I start to drool. I think I would go into sensory overload if I entered a Dakota store!!! People would have to wave pastels under my nose to revive me again after I fainted!!!

Overall - I think we appreciate you showing us all of these sets! Of course, now I have to fnd a way to clean the drool off of my keyboard and monitor! :D

E-J
10-12-2005, 11:01 AM
Hey purples

I don't organise my sticks by brand, but by colour/value - I decided to do this after seeing some droolsome pictures of how Deborah and the other pros were organising theirs! So I can't contribute any more than the pic I posted to your 'Heilman' thread.

You're right that it's hard to know the characteristics of different pastel brands before you buy. I couldn't possibly have imagined what a Schmincke or a Unison would feel like when I had only used Winsor & Newton pastels. I tend to buy one or two of a particular make to find out about their texture and degree of softness. As for colour, I have realised that if there's something I'm missing, there's usually a Unison to fit the bill, so I got hold of a handmade colour chart. It will hopefully save me working my way through all 354 :)

watergirl
10-12-2005, 11:30 AM
Not fair! I should be painting, not looking at beautiful pictures of luscious pastels. Thanks for the post!

DLJohnson
10-12-2005, 12:05 PM
Hi :wave:

LOVE the pix. Thanks Linda, it does take courage to post these. It is like opening your jewelry box to the public.

By my calculations Deb has at least 600 sticks in that box. :D

OK here are mine

My complete Daler-Rowney set 194 ish I think (some are stored in the Girault boxes)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/7846-DalerRowney.JPG

Under the Daler-Rowney set

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/7846-under_the_DR_set.JPG

My portrait boxes (need pastel briefcase bad)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/7846-portrait_colors.JPG

Close up of new Schmincke's in portrait collection, ooooh ahhhhh :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/7846-New_Schminkes.JPG

and finally a mix of mostly Sennelier, GAs, and a bit of whatever

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/7846-main_working_box.JPG

I feel so exposed http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/7846-1936-exposeyourself.gif

Donna

Paula Ford
10-12-2005, 01:09 PM
Oh you guys!! I'm going to report you for all this pastel porn!! You're killin me with these gorgeous pictures cause I'm sitting here at work drooling all over my desk wishing I was home looking at my pastel box!!

Paula

HarvestMoon
10-12-2005, 01:09 PM
Donna- would the Daler Rowney make good substitutes for the Giraults? They look just as thin.... thanks for sharing- I am overly sensitive about how wacko overboard I have gone on pastels.... but I did forget the pictures of Terry Ludwigs- and NOBODY needs this many turquoise colors, but it is one of my favorite colors in the world and I find all sorts of excuses to use it

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/57497-pastel-set-terry-1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/57497-pastel-set-terry-2.jpg

CindyW
10-12-2005, 01:28 PM
Purples, wait til I finish the turquoise painting of water in the Carribbean and you'll see how many tuquoises I WISH I'D had to get just that right intensity of that water's brilliance!
Lovely boxes of goodies here!
Cindy

Kathryn Wilson
10-12-2005, 01:31 PM
This does seem like a guilty pleasure - ;)

Here is my set of Art Spectrums to add to the mix. I do have my other pastels in large trays with the needlepoint mesh on the bottom (good dust catchers!). I love the AS Jumbos - great for covering large swatches of sky and background.

scall0way
10-12-2005, 02:30 PM
LOL Purples, you are probably right that no one needs that many turquioses! But it is such a wonderful color, and if I had them I'm sure I'd look for lots of ways to use them!

I have mostly NuPastels, so maybe I will take a picture of them and post it, though I have mine mostly arranged by color, so there are a few Sennelier and Rembrandt mixed in there as well. I confess I have not been thrilled with the Rembrandts. I like the Senneliers for some lush finishing touches, but the NuPastels are my real workhorses, and I have to say I really love them compared to the other brands I have tried so far, but of course there are plenty of brands I have not tried!

DLJohnson
10-12-2005, 06:18 PM
Donna- would the Daler Rowney make good substitutes for the Giraults? They look just as thin

They are a little shorter, thinner, softer and grayer. How's that? I love them and they do have some very vibrant colors but need to use Diane Townsend's blacks and whites, Ludwig and Sennelier darks with any set I am using.

And there is NO substitute. :) At least I don't have any.

We should make a trade on the DTs, the B&Ws for the brights I am not using as much. But what if someday ..... nah, can't part with a one just in case. I may enter my bright phase and then what would I do?

Plus I plan on taking Kitty's class next year at the Expo and will have a whole new outlook on color and her Moist Pastels to take home.

I would love to see a pic of some of those, I know you all have them!

Gosh this is fun, sorry Paula. :cat: Aren't you home YET?

Donna

scall0way
10-12-2005, 06:56 PM
Okay, here are my NuPastels. First is the full set in the Artbin 3, three-tier plastic container. I started out with the 24-color set, added a few individual colors, then recently bought the full 96-color set when Jerry's was having a 20% sale. There are also a few Rembrandt and Sennelier mixed in here as I also had a couple small 14-color sets of each of them, and they are added here, which is basically organized by color.

Then I also have my small "travelling" pastel set, which I house in the original NuPastel 24-color box - but it actually contains more than 24 colors now as I have various half-sticks of different colors. But this is the one I would use if I were doing plein air or needed to travel light.

Khadres
10-13-2005, 07:55 AM
Purples, do you have Art Spectrum? It is nice to see all the different sets so we can see the actual colors and sizes of the sticks.


I've got the Art Spectrum set, Kat. I'd say that if you think Unisons are "hard", you'd likely want to steer clear of Art Spectrum pastels since they are rather scratchy in their darker shades and at least as "hard" as Unis...if not more so. They do, however, have a couple colors I won't be without...Jacaranda being one...their Spectrum Blue for another... They have a great system for removing the transparent labels (little perforated strips making it easy to remove all or part of the label) but they've messed it up by sticking the label to the stick with something almost akin to glue....I think they must put the labels on while the sticks are still damp and it causes the labels to stick AND makes a weird coating on the stick which I've had to "soak" off with a damp paper towel from time to time. Overall I like the set and it was reasonably priced, but little things like the labels can really put folks off. Still...they don't crumble like Senneliers!

Khadres
10-13-2005, 08:10 AM
Plus I plan on taking Kitty's class next year at the Expo and will have a whole new outlook on color and her Moist Pastels to take home.

I would love to see a pic of some of those, I know you all have them!



Mine are all mixed into my "work" boxes by now, but I suppose I could pull most of 'em out again...plus I think SBJ has some from her workshop in Portland? I would love to make my own again some time despite the messiness...you can get some unique and really vibrant colors with the moist pastels. Also, I think Kitty once figured out that a full set of the moist pastels makes several hundred pastels and make each somewhere around a buck apiece, so could be economical as well.

You'd be able to create really custom portrait colors for sure!

Ahhhh, well, so many pastels....so little time....and money!

E-J
10-13-2005, 08:22 AM
they've messed it up by sticking the label to the stick with something almost akin to glue....I think they must put the labels on while the sticks are still damp and it causes the labels to stick AND makes a weird coating on the stick which I've had to "soak" off with a damp paper towel from time to time. Overall I like the set and it was reasonably priced, but little things like the labels can really put folks off.

Sooz, I have this trouble with my Winsor & Newtons, which were the first brand I bought and which still form the bulk of my pastel collection. It's most annoying when most of a stick is rendered unusable because of that coating from the glue! I've even tried sanding off the shiny residue, but it seems to be resistant to all known sandpapers. I will try the damp paper towel trick you describe.

Kathryn Wilson
10-13-2005, 08:25 AM
Sooz, I posted photos of my AS set and jumbos - I do like AS pastels for certain things, and their colors are unusual -

I agree on the labels - I think I'll talk to guys at Art of Carolinas and see if I can put a bug in their ear about the glue problem.

arsinoé
10-13-2005, 09:02 AM
Wow, what wonderful sets of pastels!
I wonder why some of us keep pastels by brand and some mix them all?
I have bought an empty case in a shop to arrange all my pastels in it by colors, but I'm quizzical about mixing soft ones and harder ones???
I'd be happy to hear everyone opinion about that.

About Girault pastels, they can be ordered directly from the manufacturer:
http://boutique.pastelsgirault.com/index_us.htm
You have to inquire directly about the shipping costs, though, and I'm afraid the translation from french is not excellent ( command stands for order for instance)

HarvestMoon
10-13-2005, 09:23 AM
I started out mixing my pastels by color; however, I had rembrants and yarkas in there- the yarkas are yucky to me, the rembrants hard as little bricks compared to most of the others, so it was annoying when I found the perfect color and then 'whump'- no pastel going on the paper because I had a brick....or very scratchy brick at the worst... (and I have complained about the art spectrum glue to great american when he said he was going to redo his 'disappearing ink' labels). All your sets are lovely! I remember seeing a picture of those Kitty pastels and they were beautiful. I started out using colored pencils for years, then moved to pastel pencils- then tried rembrants and nupastels and was turned off of the hardness- then Jerry's opened a local store and I entirely blame my going nutso on art materials on them- they had great americans, unisons, schmickes, selliners, giraults, the works- and the papers.....and they worked really well compared to what I was used to- actually I think the GA's were the set that felt like butter that made me lose my mind over pastels completely....wetcanvas of course is not good for one's pocketbook either as there are too many goodies here LOL

Just looked at the girault site (above)- wow, what lovely pictures!!!!

E-J
10-13-2005, 09:38 AM
I can tell quite easily just by looking what brand of pastel a stick belongs to, so I'm happy to organise by colour. The only ones in my collection that look a bit similar are W&N and Schmincke, but one touch tells me which is a supersoft Schmincke and which is a harder W&N. It would annoy me having to reach for separate boxes or trays for different brands. When I reach for a pastel stick I guess without really thinking I am automatically checking for colour/value first, and softness second.

IndigoRed
10-13-2005, 12:55 PM
I bought the full set of Giraults and ended up having to buy the pastel holders from Dakotapastels also. they are not expensive and they work really well. I have about 5 of them 4 of the black ones to hold the giraults, and one small green one to hold the girault blacks because for some reason they are smaller in circumfrence than the rest of them. Dont leave a girault in them over night tho (the black holders) because they will stretch the prongs that holds them and it gets a little difficult to get it to go back into shape....had this problem when i left a white in one over night and tried to put a red one in the next day.

Stephanie

E-J
10-13-2005, 01:18 PM
I bought the full set of Giraults and ended up having to buy the pastel holders from Dakotapastels also. they are not expensive and they work really well. I have about 5 of them 4 of the black ones to hold the giraults, and one small green one to hold the girault blacks because for some reason they are smaller in circumfrence than the rest of them.

Hello Stephanie. Can I ask what it is about the Giraults that required you to buy pastel holders for them? Are they especially tricky to work with? :confused:

IndigoRed
10-13-2005, 01:26 PM
To me they are a bit more fragile than a rowney, the first painting i worked on with the giraults (and i did try to be careful) two of them snapped in half. I thought maybe i was being a little to heavy handed, but i hold them no differently than i do a rowney, to a unison. The giraults are light, and are good to work with, but they are fragile. Tho this is my opinion and my experience, others will probably not have the same experience, therefore might not need the pastel holders, but they are very usefull.

And as for the giraults being tricky to work with...i cant say that they are tricky but they do take a light hand, if you try to apply pressure with one, (depending on how you hold it) they are prone to breakage.

K Taylor-Green
10-13-2005, 01:32 PM
Well, here's a fun thread! I'll have to take pics of mine.
Now don't anyone throw anything at me, but I break mine on purpose, even Giraults. They work better for me. My colors are all divided by color, and hard sticks are mixed with soft ones. After all, I know what I have!!

khourianya
10-13-2005, 02:35 PM
I break mine too, Kate...every full stick anyway - I leave my half sticks as is....

I do keep my hard pastels separate from my softies...no real reason for it...just like to have m hard pastels inone place. The rest are sorted by colour (and very loosely by value).

DLJohnson
10-13-2005, 03:15 PM
Mine are all mixed into my "work" boxes by now, but I suppose I could pull most of 'em out again...

You'd be able to create really custom portrait colors for sure!
Sooz,

You don't have to go to that trouble on my account. If anybody makes any though please do show and tell. Good idea about the portrait colors. I would make some good shapes too like triangles and skinny dark sticks for details.

I am still deciding on my Christmas present from Mark, maybe this is the way to go.

I keep hard and soft separate and all are sorted by value then by color, cool to warm. Some are still by brand (waiting for a workbox) but most are mixed together. I can tell them apart by brand even all mixed up usually.

I thought the paper and glue were there to hold the sticks together. :o

E-J, I just got my second sampling of W&N. I have 3 of just about every brand but bought about 10 sticks from them, they just came. Some have that skin that needs to be broken and I think there is one that just won't cooperate at all. I like the others - so far.

What fun, more pix, more pix, more pix! :D

Donna

Khadres
10-13-2005, 06:59 PM
Wow, what wonderful sets of pastels!
I wonder why some of us keep pastels by brand and some mix them all?
I have bought an empty case in a shop to arrange all my pastels in it by colors, but I'm quizzical about mixing soft ones and harder ones???
I'd be happy to hear everyone opinion about that.

About Girault pastels, they can be ordered directly from the manufacturer:
http://boutique.pastelsgirault.com/index_us.htm
You have to inquire directly about the shipping costs, though, and I'm afraid the translation from french is not excellent ( command stands for order for instance)

Hi, nice to see someone here from France! I just bought a set of 48 Conte soft pastels (NOT conte crayons) on eBay and really kinda like 'em! Do you know if Conte makes a bigger set of these or of anywhere one can buy open stock colors of this line? It's almost impossible to find this brand of soft pastels in the US.

Also, I agree with you...I prefer to keep my harder pastels separate from the softer ones.

Khadres
10-13-2005, 07:01 PM
Sooz, I have this trouble with my Winsor & Newtons, which were the first brand I bought and which still form the bulk of my pastel collection. It's most annoying when most of a stick is rendered unusable because of that coating from the glue! I've even tried sanding off the shiny residue, but it seems to be resistant to all known sandpapers. I will try the damp paper towel trick you describe.

Try layering about three paper towels, soak 'em with warm water and wring out fairly well, but not tooooo dry. Fold 'em up to about 4"X4" size and then wrap 'em around the pastel stick and squeeze fairly firmly with your hand for several seconds....the label will loosen up and then you can wipe off the stick itself...and the glue coating will be gone. Works like a charm at least for the Art Spectrums.

Khadres
10-13-2005, 08:32 PM
Yahooo!! Dick Blick is now carrying four of Great American's 78 color sets! Price is competitive too! I'm tempted to buy a set just to encourage them to carry more!

arsinoé
10-14-2005, 04:52 AM
Hi, nice to see someone here from France! I just bought a set of 48 Conte soft pastels (NOT conte crayons) on eBay and really kinda like 'em! Do you know if Conte makes a bigger set of these or of anywhere one can buy open stock colors of this line? It's almost impossible to find this brand of soft pastels in the US.

Also, I agree with you...I prefer to keep my harder pastels separate from the softer ones.
Hello Sooz,
Thanks for the welcome!
I have looked into the Lefranc et Bourgeois site, and they seem to offer only 48 colours, and only in sets.
http://www.lefranc-bourgeois.com/catalogue_va/index.php?gam_cle=57&s_gam_cle=145
As Lefranc et Bourgeois belongs to ColArt group, owner of Winsor and Newton, they may not want their different brands to compete?

HarvestMoon
10-14-2005, 10:28 AM
I got brave and unpeeled the sennlier's; not much need to break them as they crumble like mad; they have beautiful colors and I have heard they are reformulating them so they do not crumble so badly, but are supposed to be pretty pure pigment and that is why- anyway, I have been afraid to touch them- could not see the colors well in wrappers and spreading out 3 huge trays took up a ton of room- so here is another picture. note the metallics on the far right- they have a very rough and much harder texture and are really pretty. found the perfect color for my dad's 50's truck he had when i was young..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Oct-2005/57497-pastel-set-sennelier.jpg

HarvestMoon
10-14-2005, 10:40 AM
Wow Sooz that is news! I have written dick blick over and over that they need to carry the Great American's- they said they know they are popular and planned to- someday- blick is great but seldom seems to have full sets or open stock on nearly as many things as dakota (or jerry's even comparing watercolor, etc.) but I like their shipping rate! Now I don't need any..... but yes, they should be encouraged! I noticed Mairmai was now making a set of 90 pastels that only the Italian art store has- they make pretty great watercolors, although a lot of the 'great' seems to be marketing hype... but when somebody tries them would love a report!!!

Artistammy
10-14-2005, 12:18 PM
I love seeing all these colors!
Tammy

khourianya
10-14-2005, 01:06 PM
I bought a try-out set of the maimeri when I was off work a couple of months ago. They are beautifully vibrant and fairly soft. I'd seen them on ebay alot and the sets were always quite expensive. I think I would liken them to a slightly harder Rembrandt. worth trying, though, if you can get them cheaply.

HarvestMoon
10-14-2005, 03:05 PM
Egads- a harder rembrant? Rembrants are way too hard for me- and nupastels- now i saw another new thin hard stick at Jerry's this morning (had a 20% off coupon burning a hold in my pocket)- it was cretacolor- looked pretty but I did not get any- I did have a look at the 'brilliant' girault set- wow- if you only get one girault set THAT is the one- really nice- those are so wonderful. I bought these cool watercolor postcards I have tried before- of course, pastel is a bit messy to go through the mail on a postcard, but little watercolor ones are really appreciated by the relatives!

Khadres
10-14-2005, 06:51 PM
I have the Cretacolor set...they're really the hardest of the hard, but do have some cool colors. They're harder than these Contes I just got.

Khadres
10-14-2005, 06:52 PM
I got brave and unpeeled the sennlier's; not much need to break them as they crumble like mad; they have beautiful colors and I have heard they are reformulating them so they do not crumble so badly, but are supposed to be pretty pure pigment and that is why- anyway, I have been afraid to touch them- could not see the colors well in wrappers and spreading out 3 huge trays took up a ton of room- so here is another picture. note the metallics on the far right- they have a very rough and much harder texture and are really pretty. found the perfect color for my dad's 50's truck he had when i was young..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Oct-2005/57497-pastel-set-sennelier.jpg

What are you doing with the other half???

KJSCL
10-14-2005, 07:04 PM
This is a great thread . I can't really show any pictures of mine because alot of them are still in their original boxes until I can find suitable storage solution. I wouldn't trust the homemade cassatt box that I have with my great americans or senneliers.

Cori - I had Kensington Art special order the full 90 set of the Maimeri pastels. I like their watercolors so I thought I'd give their pastels a try. I really like them and find them to be softer then the Rembrandts, although there are a couple of sticks that are a bit harder. Seems like every brand tends to have that problem!.

And by the way, you wouldn't suffer from sensory overload in the Mt Vernon Dakota pastel store. Shock and disappointment yes, sensory overload no. I went to Seattle for a week in September, with the thought of visiting Daniel Smith and Dakota on my must do list. I was soooooooooooo disappointed when I walked into Dakota. I had this preconceived idea of what the store would look like but when I walked in I couldn't see a pastel in sight. They have them ALL IN THE BACK! :mad: :mad: All they had out was 1 or 2 sticks of each brand for you to try out. Talk about dissappointment :( Luckily I knew which sets I had intended to buy. The sales staff were very nice and brought out a few other sets for me to look at. They explained that there was just too much breakage when they had their stock out. I heard later that supposedly they have another store in Seattle itself. Oh well....

khourianya
10-14-2005, 07:40 PM
Yep - it was at Kensington Art that i got the Maimeri. I also bought some of the maimeri oil paint too, but have yet to try it out....

Maybe it's just me on the Maimeri hardness...I like them alot, but I do find Rembrandt to feel slightly creamier and for the price point, I'd probably just stick with the less expensive Rembrandts...

I can understand why Dakota would do that...it's probably because they get crazed pastellests storming the store and wnating to try everything out...and shaky nervous hands would ruin all of that open stock :D From what I've gathered, the seattle store has far less than the Mt. Vernon one...

HarvestMoon
10-15-2005, 09:57 AM
Sooz, what is left of the other 'half' stays in it's little wrapper so I know what the color was- a lot of times, there is only some crumbs to scoop up- you cannot believe how many hit the floor either...LOL. Also, Jerry's yeaterday had a large size of the art spectrum- these were large, but not monster size like the discontinued sennlier jumbos (or as big as the sennlier grande's I don't think). They have a ton of pastels, open stock esp. with signs saying please don't play with the pastels....which is darned hard not to do. I imagine they have had crazed pastelists pass out in the asile. But Cori perhaps you should find a Jerry's to visit, since it sounds like going to Dakota's is sort of like visiting the Louve when it is closed. But I know how disappointed it is when you see all the cool large sets on the internet then the stores don't stock nearly as much inventory. Dakota Pastels probably thinks I have died since I have not ordered from them in months now.

HarvestMoon
10-15-2005, 02:27 PM
How about if someone at Jerry's takes a few pics of your open stock bins of pastels for us to slober over? We know you read this....

Khadres
10-15-2005, 03:53 PM
lol
Yep, we are really addicted!

Paula Ford
10-15-2005, 04:37 PM
OH OH OH OH OH!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I just looked at Jerry's locations and there is one in KNOXVILLE!!!!

YIPPY:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Paula

khourianya
10-16-2005, 02:09 AM
oh my - so you'll be bringing your camera for us, right? :clap: Put in a suggestion for me that they open a store in Calgary :D

Paula Ford
10-16-2005, 09:56 AM
Leaving in 1 hour!! Will take my camera and take pictures of everything!! Will post when I get back...how exciting!!

Paula

P.S. I sure will Cori!

Khadres
10-16-2005, 01:41 PM
Leaving in 1 hour!! Will take my camera and take pictures of everything!! Will post when I get back...how exciting!!

Paula

P.S. I sure will Cori!

Be careful coming back down that hiway! Twisty, windy as all get-out and tons of semis trying to get there first!

Actually we have a Jerry's up in Ft. Collins...2, 2 1/2 hrs from here. But I called the guy and he said that they don't have much more than my local art supply actually on location. No GA's for instance. :( Someday, I'll go check it out, but it's a long way to go for just regular stuff.

Now, what I'd REALLY like would be access to the Dakota, Blicks, or FAS WAREHOUSES!!! Yahooooooooooo! Turn me loose with a great big shoppin' basket!!!

HarvestMoon
10-16-2005, 02:43 PM
no sooz, you really don't want that- I did not owe much on credit until jerry's opened- and i got set loose with a big shopping cart- mind you, i bought a bunch of stuff online at jerry's for years and years, but this was different!! we would have to put a little ball and chain on your leg to slow you down LOL

khourianya
10-16-2005, 03:03 PM
lol - I camn picture the unconfirmed news story now...."Convict Satisfies Artistic Desires" rotflmao

I'm still jealous though...the closest we have to a chain store here is Curry's - but that's only out east. That means that there is nothing keeping the prices down in the west...

Paula Ford
10-16-2005, 08:48 PM
Well, I'm back. To tell you the truth, I was dissappointed. They only had open stock in Sennilier, Rembrandt, WN, Nupastels, Polycromas and a couple others. Pictures below. Was really looking forward to Giraults, GA, Mt. Visions and kinds like that. The store's prices were high and we can all get much better deals online. The lady said they were kind of the same, but kind of different companies :confused: .

From now on, I'm sticking to online, or if an Expo comes along. Had a nice drive anyway and I also stopped at SUPER JoAnn Fabrics!

Paula

Paula Ford
10-16-2005, 08:50 PM
More...

khourianya
10-16-2005, 09:03 PM
This is fabulous!!! Thanks for the pics, paula. I'm sad it was disappointing - though you'd never know it from these pics!!!

We decided you should join VPON so you can drool all over everyones pastel collections when they show them on their webcams...somehow it is even more exciting to see them live over a webcam!!!

watergirl
10-16-2005, 09:23 PM
I can't stand it! After looking and reading, I had to reorganize my pastels. I have an Roz hard and soft bag that I carry these in. The Nupastels go in the Artbin carrier. Originally I used the casset box but everytime I opened it the pastels fell out and sifted all over everything.

Oh and Paula, I understand your disapointment. When I was in Paris last spring I went to Sennelier-not very exciting either.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2005/43083-pastelsincassetbox.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2005/43083-pastelssoft.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2005/43083-pastelpencils.jpg

khourianya
10-16-2005, 10:23 PM
I love that pencil case...sooo cool

watergirl
10-16-2005, 10:32 PM
Thanks Cori! Internet shopping, but can't remember who or where.

Molly

khourianya
10-17-2005, 12:04 AM
aww - too bad...right now all of my pencils are in a drawer and I've been trying to come up with a good storage option for them. I saw a "book" for them that was similar to your case, except it was alike a book with pages that you could zipper shut. I may end up goin g back to the storea nad getting that, since it wuld mean a small enuogh case to take with me on location too.

watergirl
10-17-2005, 12:25 AM
Try artarama or MisterArt

HarvestMoon
10-17-2005, 09:50 AM
Oh i love the pictures Paula and Watergirl- and esp. the pencil case- really cool... Paula, it is my fault- I know Jerry's physical store does not have nearly as much as online, nor open stock on giraults, GA's, etc. but they have (at ours) some sets of those, and open stock on unisons (but in little boxes).... still your pictures are beautiful. I pointed out once to the local Jerry's manager that the prices in the store were higher than on the internet (of course they have to be with paying for rent, elect., employees, breakage, etc. etc.) and he went sort of nuts on me - yes, they are different than the internet. Jerry's has great internet prices, but they need to realize that Blick, Dakota, literally everyone else charges very little for shipping compared to them. I know from having had an internet business that shipping does cost a lot- buying boxes, packing materials, paying the shipper (esp. on big heavy stuff), and if you pay people in the shipping dept....it all adds up- BUT fedex and ups also give really cheap rates to folks who do a LOT of shipping. Still, I like to go in Jerry's and actually see the things in person like the cool easles and all the other stuff.... and if i see something i like in their store i buy it so they will stay there.... we had such a terrible local selection of art supplies before

HarvestMoon
10-17-2005, 10:00 AM
Cori what is the deal with all this shipping problem back and forth between Canada? A few years ago I sent merchandise to Canada all the time- no problem. Are we having some sort of little problem with you guys? Are you still calling french fries french fries not freedom fries or something?

Khadres
10-17-2005, 10:49 AM
I got three of those pencil doobers recently from Jerry's where they were on sale for a LOT less than the store here had them for. My only problem with them is that I have no wall within reach to hang 'em on and even folded accordian style, which they're kinda designed for, they take up too much table space, specially if you have more than one. I finally came up with the bright (or not...lol) idea of opening them, folding them backward, making a trianglular "tower" out of them and putting that on a rubbermaid type lazy susan. At least it's easy enough to twirl it around to see all three sides and takes up a good deal smaller footprint. Also, if you buy the one that claims to hold 120 pencils, you'll find that you have to put two pencils in each elastic loop to fit that many in. Works fine, but seems strange.

khourianya
10-17-2005, 10:59 AM
lol, Linda - THAT must be it. Nah - I keep calling it the Screw the Canadian's tax! lol Since NAFTA, we have been paying more and more as things cross the border. Cusdtoms has gotten greedy, I suspect...

HarvestMoon
10-17-2005, 12:49 PM
We could form a 'storming the Bastille' party and go charging into Dakota's demanding to see EVERYTHING..... we just lock the staff in the office with lots of wine, cheese, and bread to tide them over. Of course, we would keep everything neat and tidy, and pay for everything...... but it is kinda like going on the South Beach Diet and all you see out there are Potato Chip Trucks.... Of course, we may have to escape across the border to Canada and learn to use money with beavers on it...

khourianya
10-17-2005, 12:57 PM
Our money is easy - it's all colour coded :evil: ...but not all of it has beavers on it...just the queen gets the royal spot on all of ours. We don't have to look at the ugly mugs of our prime ministers that way! :D

HarvestMoon
10-17-2005, 03:05 PM
Paula, I looked again at your pictures- and here is a question for you- why the heck are all the pastel trays on the planet horizontal to take up a ton of table space when it is obvious that the best way to store them is like the bins that you took pictures of at Jerry's- horizontal and tall? Why doesn't anyone sell one of these sorts for the studio?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2005/57497-jerrys6wc.jpg

Sketchcny
10-17-2005, 10:05 PM
I did a quick, rough count of my pastels -- approximately 700. :eek: I have to admit, I was pretty surprised!!!!

Full set of 96 nupes
300 Sennelier
150 rembrandt
10 Diane Townsend (just bought!!)
140 Unison (just added around 50 to the collection)

Again, just a quick count. Of course, Deborah has shamed me because she does such lovely work with a more limited palette.

I find myself gravitating toward the unisons -- which is funny, because when I began working with pastel, I said I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a single stick. Now look at me! :rolleyes:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Oct-2005/63737-DSC05605.JPG

fortysomething
10-18-2005, 06:51 AM
If I don't stop drooling into this keyboard, I'm going to get electrocuted.

Someday, I'm going to have a digital camera. The only way I can get a picture in here is to line the pastels up on the scanner. :D

khourianya
10-18-2005, 10:21 AM
If I don't stop drooling into this keyboard, I'm going to get electrocuted.



ROTFLMAO! :D

DLJohnson
10-18-2005, 10:48 AM
The only way I can get a picture in here is to line the pastels up on the scanner. :D

I don't know Cori, this has me howling this morning.

40s, OK, What are you waiting for? :D hehehe, just kidding, kind of

Linda, I pondered the same thing.

Luv the pix Paula, glad you shared them.

Donna

Kathryn Wilson
10-18-2005, 11:05 AM
The lady said they were kind of the same, but kind of different companies. I think they are all owned by a franchise - under the umbrella of Jerry's. Our Jerry's is the same - higher prices than the catalog.

You will be coming to Art of the Carolinas, riiiiight????? :evil:


I think you guys need to form Pastel Buyers Anonymous (PBA) since you all are so addicted - of course, I am not :p

I bought some Carre sticks - going to see if these are the mystery pastels that I keep finding in my box.

Khadres
10-19-2005, 06:50 AM
Mystery pastels...hmmm...doesn't everybody have a few of those? It is amazing how difficult it can be figuring out which brand is which when you take off the labels and break 'em up...at least when it comes to Schmincke, GA, BlockX, and AS. Yes, they are normally very different, but there are a few colors in each that are so similar in texture, etc. I just figure if it melts away in record time, it's a Schminke, if it's lucious, soft, but just a bit sturdier, it's probably a GA, if it breaks to a nice sharp edge you can use for detail, it's likely a BlockX, and if it's sturdy, not toooo soft, and breaks nice as well....could be an AS just to keep ya guessing. Oh, yes, BlockX are also much heavier.

HarvestMoon
10-19-2005, 09:49 AM
Have not heard of Carre's.... yes, we need a 12 step program BAD.... someone with some self control please start one before the next box arrives!!!! Why is everything in the Carolina's sigh. Good thing I guess that it is though. My old age pension will be Schmickes.

Kathryn Wilson
10-19-2005, 10:07 AM
I think I have solved my mystery pastel - Cretacolor Carre - a very small square stick with colors that match their Cretacolor Pastel Pencils. I would highly recommend these pastels and the set for those just starting in pastels - very nice colors, medium hard with little to no dust, and very inexpensive. The set is something like $33.00 for 72 sticks - .89 each individually.

Sooz, you gotta see what I did with my dust and shards - see my "Getting Dirty" thread.

Sketchcny
10-19-2005, 10:40 AM
I'm headed to Rochester, NY for a conference next week. There's a large art store that a PSA member told me about only 0.4 mi. from my hotel. I may melt my charge card there.

Kathryn Wilson
10-19-2005, 10:45 AM
Yes, it is Rochester Art Supply and they have an online store also:

www.fineartstore.com

Have fun shopping! Let us know what you buy so we can drool on our keyboards - :)

khourianya
10-19-2005, 12:14 PM
I have a couple of those Cretacolor Carres..theya ctually sell them here. I think my gold and a blue in my hard pastels are all I have though...I use the blue more than the gold, though. I find the gold just scratches away at other layers unless it is the ontly thing used...kinda snobbish that way I guess. lol

Sooz - you should post a photo of your tin of Polychromos. I am tempted to go buy one of each in open stock...they don't have the sets at the store here that carries them.

HarvestMoon
10-19-2005, 02:23 PM
Cori- I have a picture of the Faber-Castell Polychromes.... forget about them since they get put in a shelf! They are great though, I like them a bunch when I remember about them LOL

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Oct-2005/57497-polychromes.jpg

khourianya
10-19-2005, 03:00 PM
ohh - I do like those - thanks Linda. I may go raid the open stock one of these nights....

maneh
10-19-2005, 05:06 PM
I just bought my first oil pastel set, 12 colours. I never used pastel before...but now that i saw this pictures, i gotta say, You are insane, LOTS OF COLOURS!!!

HarvestMoon
10-19-2005, 05:23 PM
Maneh, Yep, that would pretty much describe us.... hope you have fun with your new set!

KJSCL
10-20-2005, 12:54 AM
Isn't it disappointing when the instore stock doesn't nearly match up with what they offer online :(

I was in Vegas for a few days so of course I had to go to the Blick store there. After spending wayyyyyyyyy too much on cab fare, not to mention the hour and a half wait for a cab to get back to the hotel, I came away from the store with my credit card relatively intact - much to my husband's utter disbelief.

I had wanted to pick up the Unison 72 professional set but all they had were a couple of the 18 sets so I ended up with the Starter and Portrait set. I also had to pick up some of the singles because the colors were calling me, ever so quietly, :wink2: as I tried to walk past them.

What was disappointing though was that there weren't any GA's or Diane Townsend. I really wanted to try a couple of her pastels because I've heard some really good things about them. Who has some of them and what do you think of them? Did I miss out? or do I have to break down and order some from Dakota? :evil:

khourianya
10-20-2005, 12:58 AM
I don't have any of the diane townsends or I'd let you try them... I've heard mixed reviews so have decided to not take the plunge unless they suddenly start being stocked locally. Now GAs, on the other hand, get as many as you can!!! I love them to bits - heck I love them to nubs and dust!!! :evil: if you haven't tried those, just let me know and i can let you try some of my limited selection....and I have a Canadian supplier for those as well - in Ontario but saves on the customs fees and the owner is really nice.

Khadres
10-20-2005, 06:13 AM
I'm not fond of the Townsends at all...I only have about 20, mostly darks, but gosh they're small, stinky little things way high priced and I can't see they're as good as any of the other top brands, much less better. But then that's just me. If had the choice tho, I'd second what Cori says....GAs are the creme de la creme of American brands...well, then there's also Terry Ludwigs, of course...both are far and away better than Townsends in my book. Oh, and Mt. Visions are nice too!

HarvestMoon
10-20-2005, 10:01 AM
Kathy- I sort of got talked into the townsends, and she has some nice metallics that are unusual, but in general I was very disappointed and feel like it was a total waste of money. I hate to be negative about someone's pastels, but once these were touched, they crumbled, either they were broken in the box or something, but I did not think they were worth the money at all. The GA's are a true dream pastel, the unisons are worth the money, mount visions are too....

DLJohnson
10-20-2005, 11:00 AM
Hi :wave:

I have the Townsends. Yes they are stinky. Weird. I had quite a few fall apart too and some are hard as bricks. I thought I wouldn't reorder them but her darks are great, and her whites too. I seem to use them in almost every painting. In fact I use these way more than I thought would for a while.

I recommend trying a handful of each brand. They all have good and bad points it seems.

For a first full set I recommend the GAs too for anyone that likes super soft.

I can't say there is any brand I despise except maybe those alpha whatevers. Total junk.

I would love to visit The Fine Art Store. I am so glad it is thousands of miles away. lol I doubt I could come away without damaging the credit card though.

Donna

khourianya
10-20-2005, 11:03 AM
I would love to visit The Fine Art Store. I am so glad it is thousands of miles away. lol


no freakin' doubt. Though Dakota is a bit too close for the comfort of my credit card...lol

fortysomething
10-20-2005, 11:46 AM
40s, OK, What are you waiting for? :D hehehe, just kidding, kind of Donna

Veeeery funny. :D However, the Jerry's fairy left a package on my doorstep. Since he's nice enough to package them to be oblivious to gravity, here's what I found in the box:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Oct-2005/64375-cw_7GrAm.jpg


Such a nice fairy. There was some Art Spectrum paper in there too. The droolies are Great Americans.

khourianya
10-20-2005, 11:50 AM
ohh - you can just seee how soft those are! Your extreme closeups are making me drool...

Khadres
10-20-2005, 11:52 AM
Aren't they BEAUTIFUL??? GAs just beg to be touched! I love ordering open stock like that...opening each little box and discovering what the fairy packed in there!

KJSCL
10-20-2005, 12:55 PM
Hey everyone - thanx for the info on the Townsend's. I feel better now that they didn't have any, maybe one of these days after I win the lottery I'll try a couple. :D

Cori - thanx for the offer of trying out the GA's but I bought a set of 78 when I was at Dakota's in September. They're Great (pun intended!) I'm planning on getting a few more probably from Dakota. I know Weber's in St Catherines sell them but haven't persued buying from them because they don't have a web store. Have you ordered from them?

khourianya
10-20-2005, 01:00 PM
I actually went out there personally this past spring when I was in Toronto (I took a daytrip to St. Catharines). They don't have an online store, but John will take phone orders and was just fabulous when I placed an order with him last month. You can even email him your order and then call in your credit card number (That's what I did). But don't use the email on the website...I don't know if he can access that yet. I have the email they actually use right now and can get that for you.

Also - he can get stuff from GA in about 3 days time - so if you need something specific, he will special order for you. I have been thinking of getting the Cityscapes set and I know he doesn't stock that but he can get them in really quickly. He also has full open stock in the store that he keeps right up so you could get any colour by number.

I would love to go back to his store again so I can see and touch everything. I had such a great time last time I was there.

Sherrybella
10-20-2005, 11:18 PM
I can't stand it! After looking and reading, I had to reorganize my pastels. I have an Roz hard and soft bag that I carry these in. The Nupastels go in the Artbin carrier. Originally I used the casset box but everytime I opened it the pastels fell out and sifted all over everything.

Oh and Paula, I understand your disapointment. When I was in Paris last spring I went to Sennelier-not very exciting either.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2005/43083-pastelsincassetbox.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2005/43083-pastelssoft.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Oct-2005/43083-pastelpencils.jpgI am interested in that pencil case you have hanging on the wall...where did you get that? I have colored pencils and conte pastel pencils that I would love to be able to get in one place. Thanks, Sherry

watergirl
10-20-2005, 11:39 PM
Here it is!
http://www.dickblick.com/zz228/37/

John-abraxa365.com
10-21-2005, 06:57 AM
Ive been using these Yarka's for my underpainting as a student at a local college. They are not as fun to look at as some of the other sets but I thought it would be fun to post! This is a set of 185.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Oct-2005/68534-yarka.jpg

They are already a bit of a mess:) I am using Rembrandts over the top of them for any interested.

Kathryn Wilson
10-21-2005, 03:36 PM
Hi John! I've always wondered how Yarkas were to work with. Let us in on the scoop.

I just received an order from Jerry's of 12 sticks - $35.00! Yikes, this is getting to be an expensive business. I ordered GA's and Giraults to fill in the weak spots of those collections. I then got to looking at the full monty sets of each - I can't imagine owning a full set, but they are less expensive in the long run. Gearing up for Art of the Carolinas and doing some comparison shopping - most manufacturers have special sales just for the show.

Khadres
10-21-2005, 04:51 PM
Here it is!
http://www.dickblick.com/zz228/37/
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For those interested in the pencil "easels", Jerry's has them for a MUCH more reasonable price....here:
http://jerrysartarama.com/art-supply-stores/online/3839

Of course, one has to balance out the shipping thing....if you've got a large order at Blick's, you can get free shipping which might make their cases just as cheap...or at least closer.

John-abraxa365.com
10-22-2005, 07:35 AM
Sorry for the late response Kyle. First, let me explain that I am a student and my experience with pastels in general are limited. I have read on BB such as this before that the Yarka's tend to be softer in the lighter value ranges, I agree. The Burnt Umber for example is about as hard as a Nupastel it seems to me. The pigment strength of the the high key colors would be a bit dissapointing I think if you have tried higher quality sets. Also, the sticks are quite a bit smaller than a Rembrandt in size. I tried these before purchasing a small set of Rembrandts and have since been a little dissapointed. I really like the Rembrandts and will only continue to use these for laying in the underpainting. In summary, they are cheaper, but it depends on what you are using them for.

Sherrybella
10-22-2005, 08:56 AM
Oh my, I should have read to the end of the thread before jumping to the pencil site, just taught me a good lesson, I always thought Dick Blick was cheaper, I will start checking my prices against Jerrys too. Thanks for posting responses. I am new to this and wanted to join in with my posts. I just received the Eric Michaels plein air set made by Terry Ludwig and will take a pic an post on Sunday. They are soooooooooo pretty.
Sherry

Khadres
10-22-2005, 12:18 PM
Sorry for the late response Kyle. First, let me explain that I am a student and my experience with pastels in general are limited. I have read on BB such as this before that the Yarka's tend to be softer in the lighter value ranges, I agree. The Burnt Umber for example is about as hard as a Nupastel it seems to me. The pigment strength of the the high key colors would be a bit dissapointing I think if you have tried higher quality sets. Also, the sticks are quite a bit smaller than a Rembrandt in size. I tried these before purchasing a small set of Rembrandts and have since been a little dissapointed. I really like the Rembrandts and will only continue to use these for laying in the underpainting. In summary, they are cheaper, but it depends on what you are using them for.

I also bought one of the somewhat smaller sets of Yarkas when I first started out in pastels. I agree with your assessments as to their softness, etc. Since I purchased mine, I've also done lightfast testing on my Yarkas and almost every colour is fugitive (NOT lightfast) so you're doing the wise thing in using yours for basic blocking in and early layers.

If you look at your set, you'll also notice the relative lack of really rich, dark values...plenty of pale tints, but little else. This is because the white filler in the pale shades is a good deal cheaper than the pure pigment required for good saturations and values. Live and learn and at least our Yarkas weren't too expensive! :D I've since given mine to my daughter to play with.

Rembrandts are by no means the softest pastels in the world, but they are at least colorfast and have withstood the test of time. When you get ready to add to your colour collection, you might want to order open stock colours of several different brands to give yourself a chance to see which suits you best. But I have also seen several accomplished painters here on WC who do wonderful work with nothing more than NuPastels (which also has lightfastness issues, BTW) and Rembrandts. It's all in what works best for you.

khourianya
10-22-2005, 01:07 PM
Ohh - Sherry. I'm looking forward to seeing those Ludwigs! Of course, it will be very dangerous to my credit if I start to drool uncontrollably....

Sherrybella
10-23-2005, 12:45 PM
Here is the Terry Ludwig Eric Michaels Plein Air set. I also ordered the greens because they were on sale at the same time. He sent the biggest heart shaped pastel to me with the order. That thing is actually HUGE!!! I was so surprized to see that extra something he added to my order...Thanks Terry!!!http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Oct-2005/65848-terryludwig_em_set.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Oct-2005/65848-terry_ludwig_greens_set.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Oct-2005/65848-terry_ludwig.jpg

watergirl
10-23-2005, 01:29 PM
Luscious yum yum, I want that heart!

Khadres
10-23-2005, 01:35 PM
Yep, Terry's a real sweetheart (no pun intended). He always tucks some little goodie into your order. I was so looking forward to see his booth at the ArtExpo next year in Santa Fe, but alas...that's been cancelled, so I'll have to wait for the IAPS convention in '07. Don'tcha love those GREENS? I've been eyeing the sea/turquoise set too.

khourianya
10-23-2005, 02:26 PM
oh wow - the plein air set is gorgeous! I can think of a use for every single colour in there for my plein air work! Sure takes the guesswork out. Thanks for sharing!

DLJohnson
10-27-2005, 02:31 AM
Hi :wave:

I just love this thread. Terry's dark set is a must. I actually used one of my hearts on a painting :eek: well, it was the right color.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/7846-Picture_23.jpg

The 3 on the top came from www.fineartstore.com (http://www.fineartstore.com/)

I love the fun shapes.

Donna

HarvestMoon
10-27-2005, 09:50 AM
wow- the ludwigs Eric Michaels Plein Air are beautiful- i have ordered a bunch of his (only one box directly from him though) and no hearts or things SNIFF SNIFF... I suppose I should post a pic of the canyon set since he does not have it on his site

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/57497-southwest-canyon.jpg

and i just went backwards in the thread- the yarkas look really pretty!!!
Donna- how about you show us the 'holy grail'- those roches...

i would love to see the GA cityscape set and the indor decor set- and the seascape set....anyone have those?

DLJohnson
10-27-2005, 10:13 AM
I have to get them out of the safe. Ok sure why not.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/7846-Picture_23_1.jpg

Not all that exciting is it?

HarvestMoon
10-27-2005, 10:32 AM
Well, everything will look better in the Heilman box LOL... I was wishing my mount visions were still in decent shape, but they are not, I use them quite a bit- but there are nice pics of them on his site- take a look at the beautiful blues... these are really wonderful pastels that always seem to get overlooked
http://mountvisionpastels.com

DLJohnson
10-27-2005, 10:38 AM
I have 3. They are very nice but I am still overlooking.

Kelly PMed me once to see if I wanted, oh dang not cellulose, one of the ingredients for pastel making. Very nice of him I thought. PMed him back to ask a couple of questions about his pastels and no response.

So that is where WE are on my HUGE pastel order. :p

HarvestMoon
10-27-2005, 12:45 PM
Donna- I understand perfectly. I suspect that, like me, he may not be the best at communication, but his pastels really are good. He has that thing now where you can get 400 of them I think for $500. Wish I had it. I cannot believe how expensive nursing homes are- when my time comes the kids will have to put us in a really BAD one. To top it off, our van is once again broken- it was the truck last week, and a surprise $5,000. set of braces.... well, at least your doggies won't need braces!!! A couple of our pet goats have pretty bad underbites, but....

Hey, I love your landscape!!! Did you know your pictures had changed since you posted them? Kind of odd.

DLJohnson
10-27-2005, 01:05 PM
WHOA NELLY! :eek: How did that happen? I posted these on the thread in the Classical Forum this morning after I posted here.

And thank goodness you saw the hearts Linda or I would be NUTSOLA right now.

But it is funny, the flesh studies are with the Roche's to compare with other brands. Now you know I had them out and not in the safe after all. :D The little seascape study, not quite done, is all with Daler-Rowney's.

Here are the missing pix.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/7846-Ludwigs.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/7846-Roche.jpg

Weird!

DLJohnson
10-27-2005, 01:12 PM
I went to check to see if the Ludwigs and the Roche's jumped over there. Whew, not SO FAR.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4003530#post4003530

better delete all my porno quick :eek:

It does make me wonder if any of my other pix I have posted in the past have changed later.

Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttttttttttt :confused: Help :(

HarvestMoon
10-27-2005, 01:42 PM
I know that I saw your original ones before they changed- I don't know how that would happen, since even if you named some pics on your computer exactly the same thing, since you downloaded them to WC it should not change a thing.... sounds sort of like a WC glitch of some sort.

DLJohnson
10-27-2005, 02:06 PM
Well the common thread (no pun, really) is that I took them with the webcam. It renames them, stupid thing. So I was wondering about this. I thought pix were uploaded and renamed with a number added at WC. So that can't be, right? That my name changing did it?

Hmmmmmm http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/7846-thinking3.gif

And since is happened later I feel like I better keep checking my classical post.

Or what if I take and post more pix. I may try it.

DLJohnson
10-27-2005, 08:42 PM
They were all automatically named Picture 23 by my webcam. But they were in different folders. Who knew that could happen?

HarvestMoon
10-27-2005, 08:57 PM
LOL well, I used to be a software tester among other things- but it is cheaper to let your customers do the testing.... but yeah, they should TEST for things like that!!! BTW my large Heilman box holds 288 Unisons....

DLJohnson
10-27-2005, 09:48 PM
I am fillin' that baby with fullsize GAs. It will be here tomorrow or Monday. :D

You better get your network thingy fixed. :evil:

That box set me back 1/3 a set of Schminke's or Unison's. :cat:

hehehehehehe

Khadres
10-27-2005, 09:50 PM
Geez, seems like it should hold that and then some...still, guess that's quite a few...not sure how many I have now.

watergirl
10-27-2005, 11:42 PM
Just received my order of Mt Vision pastels and they sent me 8 extra colors-not labeled but oh well. I love using them, they are a little softer than Unisons I think.

Here is a pic of my newbies!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/43083-mtvisionorderoct05b.jpg

khourianya
10-27-2005, 11:54 PM
ohh - those are lovely....*sigh* too bad i didn't win the lottery last night..I could take us all on a buying spree!

HarvestMoon
10-28-2005, 01:05 PM
The mount visions are wonderful, and he is very generous with freebies too..... he used to have these sample sets- 5 to a set- blue, green, yellow, etc. that would make really lovely little Christmas gifts if any of your friends are pastel-nuts.....

Paula Ford
10-28-2005, 01:16 PM
I LOVE Mount Visions. Everday I visit Jerry's and look at them. Have put a full set in my shopping cart (online) and have almost hit the "buy" button several hundred times.

:crying: The sale ends 10/31/05. Still hoping to hit the jackpot!

Paula

Khadres
10-28-2005, 03:01 PM
If I had a nickle for every time I've loaded the full GA set and the full Mt. Vision set into my shopping cart online and then deleted the order....I'd be rich enough to BUY 'em! That's what I love about the internet....the ultimate "window shopping"!

HarvestMoon
10-28-2005, 03:30 PM
Sooz and Paula- someday you should slip up and HIT the 'buy' button LOL.... you have greater willpower than I ever will- BTW Dakota has 275 and Jerry's only has 250 (mount visions)- and at the mountvisionpastel site you can get 500 for about the sale price of 275- I am drooling over that one..... when my 'virtual shopping cart' goes over the $2000 amount I cancel the whole window too- but it is fun.

Khadres
10-28-2005, 06:40 PM
Well, that brings up a good question....just how many colors does Mt. Vision MAKE? I'd really be miffed if I thought I'd bought the whole set and only had part of it!

KJSCL
10-28-2005, 07:21 PM
I was wondering the same thing so I sent Karl Kelly an email. Here is part of his reply

"Yes I do have 275 colors, OK actually 283 if you count
the new colors. The extra colors were meant to be used
as replacements over time. My usual sale price for a
full set is $500- so the advantage of this sale for
the customer is to have some "free" pastels to get to
fill in as they use them up. The advantage for me was
getting some money up front for capitol- as opposed to
paying a bank interest for a loan, I'm paying my
customers in pastels (like interest)."

Not a bad idea - get the full set for the normal price but then get a little interest ;) on the side. You could be stocked up on your favorite Mount Visions for awhile, while at the same time help him grow his company. A good way of supporting one of my favorite pastels.

Khadres
10-28-2005, 08:22 PM
Sounds great....when I find $500 lying around doing nothing, I'll send it along! :D

Paula Ford
10-29-2005, 10:52 AM
Oh :eek: That Capital Fund Sale item of 400 pastels is sitting in my shopping cart right now!! :eek: But, my fingers can't quite hit the "Buy" button. Tuesday is my birthday and my fingers are just seconds away from doing it!!

:evil: :angel: :evil: :angel: :evil: :angel:

Paula:D

HarvestMoon
10-29-2005, 01:03 PM
Oh- happy birthday- would be a great birthday present- darn- my husbands birthday is this week, he does not want pastels LOL and he does not know what he does want (as usual) but wants nothing ALIVE- very clear on that one....

khourianya
10-29-2005, 01:08 PM
aww - you should just tell him your pregant and say happy birthday - the look on his face would surely be priceless! :D

HarvestMoon
10-29-2005, 03:51 PM
oh, with our two kids, I don't think it would be priceless LOL, more like homicide...

khourianya
10-29-2005, 06:30 PM
yikes...well maybe not then.

DLJohnson
10-29-2005, 09:41 PM
So did you chicken out Paula?

That is really a good price for a set of that size. My 3 are really nice. No way I can get that by Monday though.

I wonder if he will extend his sale through the holiday season.

I got this old little (teeny) set on eBay for $10. I will put it in a cabinet with some antique pens and other dorky things. It was my first ever eBay purchase, unless you count the Conte's I got like Sooz's the same night. :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2005/7846-ebaypurch1.JPG

I put it by some new full size sticks and the ruler so you could see just how tiny this box is. Darling little latch too.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2005/7846-ebaypurch1a.JPG

Donna

Paula Ford
10-29-2005, 09:45 PM
Yes I chickened out BUT I went to Jerry's and got 25 open stock Mount Visions and some Derwent open stock pencils

:clap: :clap: :clap: :music: :music: :music: :clap: :clap: :clap:


:D Paula

HarvestMoon
10-30-2005, 10:19 AM
Paula- Donna, Sooz, and I need to work on your shopping skills!!! Donna- that is such a wonderfully cool little box- what a treasure- looks German... That looks so very neat! Geez that square GA is HUGE

DFGray
10-30-2005, 12:22 PM
Hi
working set yesterday http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Oct-2005/1921-toolssm.jpg
I am using rembrants, Schminkes and unisons with Dianne townsend darks
the set on the ground is the unison portrait set which I got on sale
didn't need the wooden box but wanted the wooden box!
shopping at Dakota this week and will buy another dianne townsend dark
and a sennelier 80 1/2 stick box and perhaps another portait set from unison
and lots of individual pastels
I take this stuff with me to the shore or to life drawing and then use the same stuff when back in studio
the boxes are from an old schminke and rembrant box sets
that was yesterdays subject in background 'Lasquiti Island'

HarvestMoon
10-30-2005, 12:35 PM
I love your set up- what do you use for the table supports? I love the wooden boxes too- am a sucker for them.... you sure have a spectacular place to paint- I would be in heaven with that rocky shore- I would spend all my time looking at the rocks probably- they are so pretty- but I think I see mountains in the background- and a perfect sky too- those sennelier 1/2 sticks are really nice aren't they?

DFGray
10-30-2005, 12:39 PM
Thats an old TV tray that is strapped to my drawing board or bungied to the backpack

HarvestMoon
10-30-2005, 12:45 PM
I looked at the price of those portable tables, and wondered if a TV tray would work! You must have to carry quite a bit- did you carry in an easel too?

DFGray
10-30-2005, 05:51 PM
I seem to pack alot, although I will blend the portrait set into my regular stuff

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Oct-2005/1921-3inone.jpg


this is my normal working set up
my drawing board holds paper then finished work
italian easle and bungy cords(to hold things down)

HarvestMoon
10-31-2005, 12:33 PM
That's a great setup- have to teach my little donkey to 'pack' though since I don't have the muscles to haul it all!!!

HarvestMoon
11-01-2005, 05:04 PM
I was cleaning up and found the Holbeins, which are really nice little rectangular pastels... boy, I sure love watergirl's shelf setup..... Sooz, I read a Hendall book ages ago, and he said to do this to your pastels- break them in half, and put half in your working box, but keep half (the half with the label) in the original box... then you always know what color you need to re-order, and you always have a spare!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2005/57497-pastel-set-holbein.jpg

Khadres
11-01-2005, 05:29 PM
Yes, that plan should work, purples...except I got rid of the original box liners ages ago...but it still works okay wherever you put the leftover half. I just wish all sticks would break evenly....they look so messy all varying lengths! LOL

You had the Holbeins TOO? Good heavens! Nice and bright looking tho! I have the half set of their OPs....nice gradients of each color. Now if I could just DO something useful with OPs!

HarvestMoon
11-01-2005, 06:53 PM
Sooz- yep, they were about the first ones I tried when Jerry's opened their doors in Austin- and I should have stopped right there....

watergirl
11-01-2005, 11:20 PM
The metal shelf? I bought it at Walmart, had to put it together but it works really well. The pastels are in artbin and Richeson plastic boxes that go in the carriers...

HarvestMoon
11-02-2005, 09:21 AM
Watergirl- I do love your studio setup- I will ask for a shelf for my birthday, but where I would put it I don't know- loved your pencil case too- they are on sale at Jerry's- but I can't order one more thing darn it.

watergirl
11-02-2005, 10:59 AM
The shelves are pretty inexpensive. You probably don't want to know what I just got from Jerry's...:)

HarvestMoon
11-02-2005, 12:19 PM
oh, tell me tell me- I can always dump stuff in the cart then not actually check out- beats walking the mall LOL

Paula Ford
11-02-2005, 01:26 PM
Oh YES!! Tell us, tell us!! What did you get at Jerry's?????? (I love Jerry's)

Paula

khourianya
11-02-2005, 01:40 PM
let me live vicariously too! :D

watergirl
11-02-2005, 01:42 PM
Okay, you guys here goes. From Jerry's-all of the Mount Vision pastels in the pic at$1.95 a pop. And, I went to Seattle store Dakota Art yesterday. They had this box of Giraults behind the counter and since I haven't tried them I just had to get them. And they had the rainbow pack of art spectrum colorfix paper. I have used the large sheets but haven't seen all of the colors. And here are my splints I must wear for 3 weeks to help the arthritis in my thumbs from using all of these pastels. ANd, I am not allowed to go shopping now :)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Nov-2005/43083-splintandnewstuff_002.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Nov-2005/43083-splintandnewstuff_004.jpg

Paula Ford
11-02-2005, 01:53 PM
<drooling>

Both my favorites...Mount Visions & Giraults!!

Though, I've got 25 Mount Visions on the way from Jerry's as we speak. (I had a full set of polychromos in my basket yesterday, but I chickened out!! Actually Dakota has them cheaper than Jerry's right now.)

Paula

watergirl
11-02-2005, 01:54 PM
I am looking forward to trying the Giraults.

HarvestMoon
11-02-2005, 01:56 PM
Drool.... some of my very favorites - mount visions, AND giraults AND colorfix- great choices.... the thin giraults are the perfect complements to the mount visions... I have had bouts of carpal tunnel, esp. when I decided to learn to play the guitar one summer and did it 7 hours a day- never did improve on the guitar and could hardly function in my left hand... ah the sacrafices we make for the sake of art..... thanks for sharing, now I just have to go look at Jerry's holiday sale and pretend I am shopping ! BTW I LOVE both of these types of pastels- and you get to DRIVE to Dakota- wow....

pip seymour
11-03-2005, 10:27 AM
for soft pastels, enquire at www.kremer-pigmente.com - they have some new pastel products (from my studio) that are unique!
Pip Seymour

DLJohnson
11-03-2005, 10:45 AM
Hi,

Thanks for the link. I looked around at their site. Maybe you could tell us what to look for.

Donna

Paula Ford
11-11-2005, 01:41 PM
I did it!!!

The full set of Polychromos is on it's way from Jerry's :clap: :clap: :clap:

YIPPY!!

I wouldn't buy so much if they didn't send me so many $10 off coupons!! :evil:

Paula

*Marina*
11-11-2005, 02:24 PM
My polychromos arrived last week. They are great.

Paula Ford
11-11-2005, 02:49 PM
Marina,
How about posting a picture :D

Paula

*Marina*
11-11-2005, 03:27 PM
Paula, I will go and take a picture. Just hold on, won't be long.

*Marina*
11-11-2005, 03:38 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2005/60850-plolychromos_500.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Nov-2005/60850-carbothello_500.jpg OK, Paula. Here they are. I also got a box of Carbothello pastel pencils. Got them both for my birthday. Now you know what you can look forward to.

watergirl
11-11-2005, 07:22 PM
Awesome you two! Happy pasteling with your new stuff! And the Jerry's $10 coupons are deadly for me as well :)

Paula Ford
11-11-2005, 11:18 PM
OH, I'm drooling! Can't wait to get mine. Thanks Marina!

LOL I always tell myself, if Jerry's sends me another coupon, I'll ignore it...NOT

Thanks Molly

Paula

HarvestMoon
11-12-2005, 12:58 PM
LOL, I ordered the giraults brights with my $10. off coupon from Jerry's (and free brush set too) but they are out of stock on the giraluts... wish they would stop sending those too.... will end up giving everyone pastels for Christmas!!!

Paula Ford
11-12-2005, 12:59 PM
OMGosh purples! I've been wanting that set of Girault Brights for sooooooo long!! Post a picture when it arives, ok?

Paula

johndill01
11-12-2005, 07:13 PM
Better than a picture, add another name to your christmas list. :D:wave:

John

HarvestMoon
11-13-2005, 04:54 PM
John, Ok- you get to replace my sister and brother in law!!!

DLJohnson
11-15-2005, 10:23 AM
LOL, why does he get to be 2 people? I will be your sister Linda! :cat:

Well you guys (and Sooz with the shaper jars) got me to Jerry's online and my order finally came yesterday. It took forever, over 2 weeks. So I still love Blicks, FAS, and Dakota best.

I went ahead and ordered a small set of 15 Mount Vision darks. They look pretty good and I will try them today. 7 of 15 are greens, FYI

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Nov-2005/7846-MtVisionDarks.jpg

Donna

HarvestMoon
11-15-2005, 10:41 AM
Just kidding about the Christmas list- have enough trouble with the kids and relations- I have a stash of Mt. Visions- a pastel book ADVISES that you HOARD your favorites in case they re-formulate them or stop making them. I listened to that LOL- I love that blue, yellow, purple- actually all of them- the computer with the software that I spent forever getting up to speed after the other 2 died is BROKEN- so I am out of the camera business but would love to post these too- drats...his set of blues, reds, etc. are to die for- and the purples- and yes, love the greens- i use a lot of dark green

Paula Ford
11-15-2005, 01:03 PM
Donna,

I hope you love your Mount Visions. I sure do! Use them all the time. (A full set is on my Christmas list.) Still waiting for my full set of Polychromos, but they should be here soon. Jerry's does take a few days.

Paula

HarvestMoon
11-15-2005, 01:11 PM
Jerry's has a sale on polychromes- but you are right- they are the SLOWEST....I can order from the UK or France and get things FAST- Blicks is much quicker- BUT I love a lot of Jerry's things and the price- has a far bigger selection. Paula the 400 sticks of Mount Visions beats getting a full set by a wide margin- he now has 285 colors in the set, plus you get whatever 400-285 is :rolleyes: for about the same price as a full set!!

Paula Ford
11-15-2005, 06:41 PM
purples, 400 sticks are at the Mount Vision website? Paula

HarvestMoon
11-15-2005, 06:54 PM
Paula- yep, should be here:
http://mountvisionpastels.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=34&osCsid=d01bc982f3914710c74cc2686ce5808c
400 sticks for $500.
Linda

johndill01
11-15-2005, 07:15 PM
I have been waiting almost 10 days for an order of Mt. Vision and some GA's to come from Jerry's. Would have had them no later than Friday if I had ordered from some of the others.

Real disappointed that I am not going to be on the Christmas list. Going broke buying pastels.

Bought the Mt Vision darks a few months ago and fell in love with the feel and colors. Hoping that the other colors I ordered are as good.

John

HarvestMoon
11-15-2005, 07:54 PM
John, I bet they will be wonderful- I have grown much older waiting for Jerry's- Ok, so you can replace my brother in law on the Christmas list- feel better (except he never gets anything but a card)?
cheers,
Linda

Paula Ford
11-15-2005, 09:50 PM
Thanks Linda. I told my husband about the savings if I bought the set for $500. He asked "is that a good price?" I said YES YES YES!!! Maybe he'll get the hint for a Christmas gift. I was also telling him tonight how wonderful they are.

John, You will love them all! Aren't they wonderful feeling? I think they are the perfect pastel. Not as soft as GA or Schminke, not as hard as NuPastels or Polychromos. They can go over the harder pastels and/or can be used as the first layers, but they don't slip and slide over the real creamy, soft ones. They feel just somewhere in the middle...just PERFECT!!

I will also be going broke John, so don't feel bad. Better than booz or worse, right????? :D

Paula

HarvestMoon
11-16-2005, 09:15 AM
I am already broke- for the next 20 years- misery loves company :D
But it is our duty as loyal dust busters to keep these great pastel makers in business right??? Especially the smaller hand-made companies..... at least that is my 'justification for the day'...

Artistammy
11-16-2005, 10:39 AM
Ooh, Donna, darks are so-o nice to have. I got a set of dark Senneliers awhile back & I use them alot! I also love that dark eggplant color of Terry Ludwig's. Thanks for sharing.
Tammy

HarvestMoon
11-16-2005, 04:28 PM
Here is a better pic of the mount visions I dredged up....I had one of these in my hand next to a unison, then a med. sized unison- they are in-between, but pretty close to the med. unison size.... a great deal

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Nov-2005/57497-mtvision_001.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Nov-2005/57497-mtvision_002.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Nov-2005/57497-mtvision_003.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Nov-2005/57497-mtvision_004.jpg

DLJohnson
11-16-2005, 04:42 PM
a pastel book ADVISES that you HOARD your favorites in case

I read that too, LOL. We must have the same book. I have read some that say you do not need a ton, just a good array of hues. I never remember that when shopping, but always use it when painting. :cat:


and I did NOT see $750 of loot over here, you know who you are

sundiver
11-18-2005, 08:10 AM
Purples, if your doorbell rings and there is a short cuddly middle-aged gal wearing a dust mask and carrying an armful of pastel paper, don't panic, because I am sooooo coming over to your house!
Oh, wait......... you live in Texas? ....... never mind.....
(sigh)
:D

HarvestMoon
11-18-2005, 08:17 AM
Wendy- you are welcome to come- we don't have a guest room but the goats always welcome one more to bunk with them! Alas, we have no doorbell.... just barking dogs to announce the arrival of guests.

sundiver
11-19-2005, 01:42 PM
Goats are nice!:)
And I'll wrap my paper in plastic in case the dogs jump on me.

HarvestMoon
11-19-2005, 01:55 PM
Wendy- our goats are VERY nice- they were all bottle fed and tame as can be- they still want to come in the house. They like to eat paper (and everything else), so you have to hurry in!
cheers,
Linda

Paula Ford
11-25-2005, 11:45 AM
Linda, I told my husband, again!, about the 400 set of Mount Visions because of the painting "Autumn Field" that I did last night, and I think he's going to get them for me!! YIPPY

He said "send me the link!" YAAAAHHHOOOOOOOO

Paula

HarvestMoon
11-25-2005, 12:08 PM
Yeah Paula- that is great news for you, and I know Mt. Vision could use the sales as well!! A win-win if ever I heard one- sure did love your picture too!! You will drool when you open the blues, (which unison stinks at), the yellows, the greens, the browns, the - heck, all of it....

KJSCL
11-30-2005, 02:00 PM
OK - I'm being bad but I was too excited not to share. I ordered a couple of pastel sets from Dakota. They are my Christmas present from my husband, yes I ordered them but hey at least I'll get want I want. :evil: The order arrived today and it just so happened my husband is out of town this week so of course I had to open the package to make sure everything was there and in good order :rolleyes: (of course it was, I've always had good service from Dakota). Since the individual boxes aren't sealed I opened them up for a quick peek and took a couple of pictures.

Here's a Unison Landscape set of 66 pastels that Dakota has on special for $159.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Nov-2005/22726-pastels3.jpg

The Mount Vision Biolchini supplemental set of 25 to finish off the set of 50 I got in September. There's a dark purple pastel in there that I can't wait to get my hands on.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Nov-2005/22726-pastels4.jpg

And lastly I couldn't resist the Great American 18 Pearlescent. Now I'll just have to find an animal that has pink iridescent fur :D

[http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Nov-2005/22726-pastels2.jpg

Oops - had to make the image size smaller:o

HarvestMoon
11-30-2005, 02:11 PM
Kathy- wow- those are SUPER- of COURSE you need to check for breakage, etc. when they get there right? I saw a cityscape done with the pearlesent colors, but like you, I am looking for a pearlescent flamingo or something.... with metallic shades on perhaps, and a shimmery pond.... my motto- pastels are too pretty to use LOL....

Paula Ford
11-30-2005, 02:21 PM
LOL...(at work...got my fix for the day looking at these gorgeous pastels...especially the Mount Visions...drooling all over)

Paula

HarvestMoon
11-30-2005, 02:22 PM
Gee- I even have a Dec. birthday- and I told my hubby (as usual) I already bought my own presents- and he always just says 'OK'.... LOL but here is my latest arrival- Terry Ludwig deep eggplant purple- almost black-a half dozen!!! Yes, Paula, you really DO need the entire mount vision set- I really do believe it is the best value for the money- I just love them....

Khadres
11-30-2005, 02:22 PM
Am I crazy, Linda, or didn't you already have full sets of Unison and Mt. Vision? So you must've already used those up? Wow. I'm in awe, girl!

HarvestMoon
11-30-2005, 02:32 PM
Sooz, keep your mouth shut and I will send you a Terry purple, ok???? LOL- the Mount Visions are my favorite- and what if he has a midlife crisis and chunks pastels for a red convertible or something? I need my spares- really really....Hmmm- now that I think about it- if the goats would not EAT a convertable top- I would chunk my pastels for a convertable LOL...

Khadres
11-30-2005, 02:59 PM
LOL....nahhhh, convertibles just snarl yer hair whereas yummy pastels have ALL those possibilities! OK, I understand what you're saying...it's kinda like IN SURANCE...yeah, insurance....everybody needs insurance! And yes, I have my own worries about that Terry fellow and his wife...they have the look of two people who're planning to take off in their fabulously appointed yacht any day now, his pastel making days over forever.

KJSCL
11-30-2005, 03:06 PM
Linda - I thought the picture you posted was an empty box - those ludwigs must be realllllllllllllly dark. Where did you order them from?

HarvestMoon
11-30-2005, 03:13 PM
Kathy- try
http://terryludwig.com
and ask for D-19 (I know, sounds like a bingo number)

Sooz- my UK friends actually DID go off on a yacht- but then he designed them for a living..... too many pirates these days anyway- much better to make pastels!! Now I gotta admit I am worried about Terry and a yacht- and ALL my cards are pretty much maxed- after hubbie's birthday- lots of bicycle clothes and power tools- and then he 'has' to have a UNICYCLE for Christmas- sigh. And I still have to buy for the kids! And in-laws! And the postperson.....

KJSCL
11-30-2005, 05:48 PM
Ok Linda, you know you're buying too much online when you're concerned about a Christmas present for the "postperson". Been overworking him have you?

khourianya
11-30-2005, 05:57 PM
Roflmao! :D

HarvestMoon
11-30-2005, 06:15 PM
Well, gee, I always get the postal folks something... after all they deliver the mail despite little thanks and bad weather.....I usually get chocolates for the delivery person, and a far side daily calender for the folks IN the post office, so everyone going in knows the day (especially me)....

Artistammy
12-01-2005, 09:51 AM
Delicious photos! And I really love my Ludwig eggplant purple.
Tammy

HarvestMoon
12-01-2005, 10:18 AM
And Sooz- just to proclaim those were NOT my unisons, mt. visions, etc. yesterday- they were Kathy's.... you kicked in my guilt complex!!!

And yes, I AM buying too much and have to bribe the postal folks (and the UPS guy and the Fedex guy)..... I rarely leave the house- get everything over the internet- just faster and saves my gas anyway since we live in the sticks

khourianya
12-05-2005, 12:07 AM
And yes, I AM buying too much and have to bribe the postal folks (and the UPS guy and the Fedex guy)..... I rarely leave the house- get everything over the internet- just faster and saves my gas anyway since we live in the sticks

But just think - you get to be in your house painting while the rest of us are waiting for our cars to warm up before we can drive to the store to see that they don't have what we need in stock :) Ah the jealousy! :)

Khadres
12-05-2005, 12:26 AM
Is there anything more disappointing than to have your nice little pastel wish list clutched in your hot little hand and you get to the store and all they have is some old Rembrandts and maybe a Schmincke or two on closeout with torn wrappers and all in shades of grey only. And paper? Well, heck, they have that laid charcoal paper you can almost see through and they'll gladly sell ya some construction paper. Oh? You do PASTELS! Oh, well, then you came to the right place! Let 'em show ya the HUGE selection they have of kid's sidewalk CHALK!!!

khourianya
12-05-2005, 12:28 AM
lol - you desribe it so perfectly - I could just swear you have the same stores as i do (though my one store actually has a guy who knows a bit about pastels, says he's met Kitty wallis, and can have extensive discussions on how to make pastels and the right pigment combinations (even if he doesn't stock gum tragacanth))

Paula Ford
12-05-2005, 05:30 AM
When we first got to Chattanooga, I called all (3) of the art stores in town and asked them if they had any open stock Schminckes, Senniliers, GA's... They said "Huh?" Never heard of them before. Finally visited one of those stores and they were selling Rembrandts for $4.00 a stick!!

Needless to say, I order everything online.

HarvestMoon
12-05-2005, 10:14 AM
Warm up a CAR Cori? What the heck for :D ? Actually, we have a big chill in the air - feels like nearly 40 degress F!! And my porch studio is too COLD for my bare feet and nightie this morning. (the other advantage to being at home a lot- you can work in your jammies). Y'alls art supply problem sounds like here before Jerry's opened in Austin. But it is a long drive, and I end up buying things I will never need because I wandered into, say, the painting section of the store in a 'feeding frenzy'..... and I once MENTIONED online shopping and in my usual way of totally hacking people off without even having to THINK about it, had the manager foaming at the mouth in seconds... can't say I blame them- I know I should drive there first and support the local stores, or they can't stay in business, but when you only need a few things, and it is a long drive, AND the online branch is sending you coupons to get $149. worth of free stuff for ordering $100. worth.....

khourianya
12-05-2005, 10:30 AM
Ahh - the joys of living somewhere warm....it was 7*F here yesterday (or -22*C in my world) Cars make funny noises when they don't warm up. I am betting remote car starters aren't a big seller in Texas! We wouldn't be able to live without ours.

HarvestMoon
12-05-2005, 11:30 AM
LOL- remote car starters? are you serious? i bet car thieves would love that one! I hear the Canadians are testing a device to make it hard to press the accelerator when you are speeding! how totally unfair! we have a divine right to speed LOL....

question for you cold weather guys- do you have a problem with pastels when they get really cold- like crumbling and such?

khourianya
12-05-2005, 11:45 AM
Of course I'm serious - we have a little keychain remote (like the kind to unlock doors). Push the button and it starts the car and lets it run for 15 mins. If you touch the brake, the car will shut off so theives don't stand a chacne. Our car is set up so you have to have the key in the ignition before you can drive. (Our car also has an alarm and we can see it from our window AND we live on the quietest street in the world - we're not worried about theives stealing out 16 year old Maxima)

I haven't heard about that accellerator thing. Odd thing for us to invent....

As for pastels - I've never noticed a difference. Last year my little studio had no heating and I just put on my fingerless gloves and painted away. The only crubles I had were resulting from drops to the floor or being old sennies.

fortysomething
12-05-2005, 02:35 PM
Warming up your car unattended in Maryland is illegal- too many car thefts. Last year the news reported a local man shot- while warming up his car... :rolleyes:

khourianya
12-05-2005, 03:02 PM
Serious? oh my! That is just unfathomable to me.

Paula Ford
12-08-2005, 12:52 PM
I just bought a Christmas gift for me!!!

:clap: :clap: Set of 25 Greys - Girault :clap: :clap:

YIPPY!!!

Will post a picture when I get them!

Happy Holidays Everyone!Paula

Paula Ford
12-15-2005, 07:03 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: OMGosh!!! A LARGE box from Karl Kelly showed up at my door tonight!!!! It looks like my husband got me the full set of Mount Visions!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

DLJohnson
12-15-2005, 07:27 PM
You are too cute. I am really happy for you. I sure can't think of anyone that deserves them more, even me. :cat:

Merry Christmas,

Donna

HarvestMoon
12-15-2005, 07:35 PM
Paula- don't you dare open that box- would really spoil the christmas day fun for your hubby ! my dogs are already unwrapping presents that are for the kids.... sigh- anyway, would not be fair to peek- my hubby is hiding the stuff that I ordered from his MOM's gift certificate for my birthday for my Christmas present- at least yours knows how to take a hint ha ha.....

Paula Ford
12-15-2005, 09:52 PM
When I drove up to the garage and hit the door opener, there it was! I couldn't get in the garage with my car if I hadn't moved it!

I swear, it is still in the garage. I didn't even bring it into the house with me!! (If it had made it into the house, guaranteed it would be opened by now :D )

Yea, he took a hint alright. I sent him an email with the link to the Capital Fund sale!! He also knows more about Mount Vision Pastels and Karl Kelly than any other husband in the world cause that is all I've talked about for months LOL...he's a good man!!!

:eek: I got him slippers!

Paula Ford
12-15-2005, 09:54 PM
BTW...thanks Donna. You're too sweet!

Merry Christmas!!

HarvestMoon
12-16-2005, 08:58 AM
well, i learned to never, ever, send links to hubby that told him just how expensive these darned things were LOL....but he got a set of cordless 18v power tools and then wanted a unicycle for Christmas- the only unicycle that would handle the rough rocks and dirt on our driveway was the off-road version- my entire set of new goodyear weather tires for the van cost less than this baby..... I hope he doesn't break an arm or worse- and the 2 kids will of course want to try- at least he did not want a blonde in a red convertable!! although he failed to take MY hint about a vw bug convertable :crying: although we can't really afford a single thing with my dad in a nursing home and such- see- good thing I stocked up on art supplies.... I know, you guys know just how many art supplies I bought and don't feel even a tiny bit of sympany LOL-

Paula- post a picture while they are still virgins!

fortysomething
12-16-2005, 10:55 AM
In the meantime, my box of greens is on hold at Jerry's. They had a free gift offer & didn't have enough gifts. When the freebie shows up, they'll send the box of greens. However, I did get these little beauties to tide me over-

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Dec-2005/64375-wc_MtVisions_01.jpg

They arrived in pristine condition. I had several of them broken, and into the new box before I decided to scan a picture. Do I like them? Ohhhh my, yes!!!

Paula, you're going to have to do better than slippers if your hubby got you that whole set. :D

HarvestMoon
12-16-2005, 11:48 AM
Lisa- really really lovely picture- love those purples.
Yeah Paula- I would think a trip to Fredricks of Hollywood is in order for your hubby LOL...

Paula Ford
12-16-2005, 01:09 PM
Lol...

Khadres
12-16-2005, 01:10 PM
Lisa, those look scrumptious! Can't wait to get my half set! I agree, Paula should be ashamed of herself passing off slippers as a decent Xmas present to a gem of a man like that! Tsk!

khourianya
12-17-2005, 01:21 PM
lol about the slippers...I dunno girls - I have been looking for slippers for Cam and all of them fall in the $60-100 range for the features he wants (hard sole and leather upper) Silliness really....

Anyway - I thought I would share the photos of my new Mount Visions here before I break them to add to my pastel box. There were some minor casualties, but no more than chipped edges. I am very impressed with the packaging considering how far they had to travel:

The Biolchini Workshop set of 50
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Dec-2005/47843-mvp_wkshp.jpg

Workshop additional 25
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Dec-2005/47843-mvp_wkshpaddon.jpg

HarvestMoon
12-17-2005, 03:31 PM
ah, that color to the left of 400 on the top photo- really love that color- drool.... i sent my dad house slippers from LLBean- you might check there- they have an online store....

Paula Ford
12-17-2005, 04:01 PM
Drooling...can't wait to open the box in my garage!! Those colors are fantastic!!

Yup, that's where I got his slippers, L.L. Bean.

When I told him the box was here, he reminded me that I had bought him a laptop and a new vehicle a couple of months ago. I had forgotten and now feel better.:D

KJSCL
12-17-2005, 06:29 PM
Paula, we will definitely want pictures of those pastels by noon on Christmas (just kidding, sort of )

Cori, I have the same set you do! Although I don't get the additional ones until Christmas. Where did you get yours from?

Did anyone else check out the 66 Landscape Unison offer that Dakota had on sale? They worked out to about $2.40 each, which for Unison is pretty darn cheap. Have to wait another week for those too.

HarvestMoon
12-17-2005, 08:13 PM
Ok Paula, you are off the hook LOL...but yes, by Christmas noon- a picture of the pastels and a new painting with them- or we storm the bastille LOL....

Kathy- that is a fantastic price on unisons- Jacksons had them fairly close to that without shipping at one time- exchange rate is now back in the toilet... Jerry's has open stock unisons for 2.97 or something like that- of course, they will hit you with shipping- but if you are nice and PM me, I will send their latest 10% off code LOL.... here is the jerry's sale though....

http://jerrysartarama.com/art-supply-stores/online/1903

fortysomething
12-18-2005, 04:25 AM
Lisa- really really lovely picture- love those purples.

Too funny Linda! I agree, it's one of my better efforts. :D

Sooz, they are scrumptious! I can't wait 'til you get your set, too! They remind me of those heavy, butter creme mints that are only served on special occasions. I wish I could get past the urge to want to eat 'em.

Paula, I have those LLBean slippers. He's going to love them. A new car, eh? And all he's getting for you is a box of chalk? Tsk, tsk.

Cori, the penalty for warming up your vehicle unattended in Prince George's county (Maryland, USA) is $60.00 and 1 point on your driving record. Points are BAD. Nice set of MV's. :cool:

khourianya
12-18-2005, 01:50 PM
Yikes. Glad we don't have those kind of penalties here! We would end up with frostbite on the really cold days if we waited in the car....

HarvestMoon
12-18-2005, 05:27 PM
Cori- how do you like your Mount Visions??? You broke them- ouch... lets get Paula foaming at the mouth and see if we can make her peek LOL-:evil: I showed you MINE...
Linda

Paula Ford
12-18-2005, 06:34 PM
LOL...my husband says he's going to beat me if I open that box...

Beat me baby, beat me!!