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Fireman's kid
10-09-2005, 06:47 PM
Hi all! I'm working on another fall painting. This time, instead of leaves, it is pumpkins and apples at a farmer's market. The reference picture was posted by William Gunther in the reference library. Thank you William for the great picture!

Initially I was very pleased with this, but the last time I worked on it I tried to do the dark areas of the large pumpkin. I am not happy with how this area looks now. I like the glow and light feeling of the sunlit areas, but the shadow area seems to heavy and splotchy, plus I don't like the color - it is too brown.

In the light areas I started with a wash of Quin Gold (W&N), then added Cadmium Orange (Cotman) for the light orange areas and cadmium red (Cotman) in the mid-orange areas. I may also have used some New Gamboge (sp?) (W&N).

The dark area started the same as the light areas with a few more washes of the cad red. Then I added a mixture of cad. red, cad. orange and ultramarine blue (Cotman). This is where things fell apart.

Can anyone tell me what colors I should have used? I will probably try to wash off what I have and redo it, but I have no idea what colors will get a nice dark shadow without looking so heavy or chalky. Thanks in advance for your help.

(By the way, I also plan to redo the shadows on the yellow-green gourd on the left side. They are too gray. Any suggestions for this area would be appreciated too. :D )

Here is the reference...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Oct-2005/31442-WC_farmer\s_markert_ref.jpeg

Here is the (in progress) painting...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Oct-2005/31442-WC_farmer\s_market_WIP01.jpg

Thanks in advance for your help again! Also if you see anything else that needs to be addressed feel free to mention that too. :)

For some reason, the uploaded images are not showing when I preview my post, so I will attach the images also. Sorry if I end up showing both images twice.

tep394
10-09-2005, 08:42 PM
This is looking great. The modeling on the pumpkin is top notch. Your colors look good to me. I try to avoid cad red after Celeste tutored me on the Christmas ornaments. I go with Alizarin more often that not or Da Vinci's permanent rose. Maybe give those a try mixed with gamboge. Gamboge usually gives a rich orange for me. This is going to be a good one.

I see you are having trouble viewing images too. Glad it's not just me.

laudesan
10-09-2005, 09:21 PM
I painted Pumpkins and Gourds last year.

The colour combo I used was Azo Yellow, Napthol Red, And for the shadows Magenta..


Here is my painting.. (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2113533&postcount=84)

Hope this helps.

:)

TIP

Add you yellow to the painting first. Adding yellow on top of other colours dulls them..:(

Strider
10-10-2005, 12:05 AM
Yeah, Stacy, those cads lean opaque...so with the cad red, cad orange and UB you are mixing a red some yellow (from the orange) and a blue...which is giving you a greyed mix. Tom n' JJ are right on, IMO... Love this comp! :wave:

Fireman's kid
10-10-2005, 08:22 AM
Thank you Tom, JJ and Kevin!

Tom, I think I didn't see your ornament painting until after I added these darks. When I read there I knew what was wrong with my painting.

JJ - Your pumpkins and gourds look great! I never would have thought of using magenta for the shadows, but it works well. Thanks for the tip on using yellow too. I didn't know that.

Kevin - people in my art class tried to convince me that my darks looked okay, but I know I don't like the opaque look! I can't take credit for the composition. It was all the photographer. :)

Thanks for looking! I'll work on this more tomorrow and let you know how it goes. Looks like I'll be taking a visit to Scrub City. :D I seem to spend a lot of time there.

jaydiva
10-10-2005, 04:55 PM
Now don't scrub too much, i kinda like it as it is. Maybe a little crubbing on the upper left to reduce the dark ...
Can't give you much advice on colours as i use St. Petersburg (and they all have germany names and i don't know what they're called in english) but i can second Striders advice on the cadmium red.

Juttahttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Aug-2005/32313-51j.gif

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Aug-2005/32313-tn.jpg

my new art website (http://www.diva-design.de/JBB/index.htm)

Yorky
10-10-2005, 06:01 PM
Stacy - the reason the uploaded pictures didn't show is that you have an apostrophe in the filename.

Doug

fireman
10-11-2005, 08:20 AM
Stacy, As usual it looking good, I think it will look better with the background behind it. When I paint I try and lay color every where then make adjustments as I go. This will be a good painting for the Art show at Kirby,s Mill. :D :D :D
Love Dad, Fireman

Strawberry Wine
10-11-2005, 07:24 PM
Stacy, this is coming along nicely. Love the light on the big "punkin" !!!

Do you have any WN Quin gold???? The light just shines through it. :)

Looking forward to seeing this one develop

Cheers,

Gail