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Fireman's kid
10-09-2005, 06:47 PM
Hi all! I'm working on another fall painting. This time, instead of leaves, it is pumpkins and apples at a farmer's market. The reference picture was posted by William Gunther in the reference library. Thank you William for the great picture!

Initially I was very pleased with this, but the last time I worked on it I tried to do the dark areas of the large pumpkin. I am not happy with how this area looks now. I like the glow and light feeling of the sunlit areas, but the shadow area seems to heavy and splotchy, plus I don't like the color - it is too brown.

In the light areas I started with a wash of Quin Gold (W&N), then added Cadmium Orange (Cotman) for the light orange areas and cadmium red (Cotman) in the mid-orange areas. I may also have used some New Gamboge (sp?) (W&N).

The dark area started the same as the light areas with a few more washes of the cad red. Then I added a mixture of cad. red, cad. orange and ultramarine blue (Cotman). This is where things fell apart.

Can anyone tell me what colors I should have used? I will probably try to wash off what I have and redo it, but I have no idea what colors will get a nice dark shadow without looking so heavy or chalky. Thanks in advance for your help.

(By the way, I also plan to redo the shadows on the yellow-green gourd on the left side. They are too gray. Any suggestions for this area would be appreciated too. :D )

Here is the reference...

Here is the (in progress) painting...

Thanks in advance for your help again! Also if you see anything else that needs to be addressed feel free to mention that too. :)

For some reason, the uploaded images are not showing when I preview my post, so I will attach the images also. Sorry if I end up showing both images twice.

10-09-2005, 08:42 PM
This is looking great. The modeling on the pumpkin is top notch. Your colors look good to me. I try to avoid cad red after Celeste tutored me on the Christmas ornaments. I go with Alizarin more often that not or Da Vinci's permanent rose. Maybe give those a try mixed with gamboge. Gamboge usually gives a rich orange for me. This is going to be a good one.

I see you are having trouble viewing images too. Glad it's not just me.

10-09-2005, 09:21 PM
I painted Pumpkins and Gourds last year.

The colour combo I used was Azo Yellow, Napthol Red, And for the shadows Magenta..

Here is my painting.. (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2113533&postcount=84)

Hope this helps.



Add you yellow to the painting first. Adding yellow on top of other colours dulls them..:(

10-10-2005, 12:05 AM
Yeah, Stacy, those cads lean opaque...so with the cad red, cad orange and UB you are mixing a red some yellow (from the orange) and a blue...which is giving you a greyed mix. Tom n' JJ are right on, IMO... Love this comp! :wave:

Fireman's kid
10-10-2005, 08:22 AM
Thank you Tom, JJ and Kevin!

Tom, I think I didn't see your ornament painting until after I added these darks. When I read there I knew what was wrong with my painting.

JJ - Your pumpkins and gourds look great! I never would have thought of using magenta for the shadows, but it works well. Thanks for the tip on using yellow too. I didn't know that.

Kevin - people in my art class tried to convince me that my darks looked okay, but I know I don't like the opaque look! I can't take credit for the composition. It was all the photographer. :)

Thanks for looking! I'll work on this more tomorrow and let you know how it goes. Looks like I'll be taking a visit to Scrub City. :D I seem to spend a lot of time there.

10-10-2005, 04:55 PM
Now don't scrub too much, i kinda like it as it is. Maybe a little crubbing on the upper left to reduce the dark ...
Can't give you much advice on colours as i use St. Petersburg (and they all have germany names and i don't know what they're called in english) but i can second Striders advice on the cadmium red.



my new art website (http://www.diva-design.de/JBB/index.htm)

10-10-2005, 06:01 PM
Stacy - the reason the uploaded pictures didn't show is that you have an apostrophe in the filename.


10-11-2005, 08:20 AM
Stacy, As usual it looking good, I think it will look better with the background behind it. When I paint I try and lay color every where then make adjustments as I go. This will be a good painting for the Art show at Kirby,s Mill. :D :D :D
Love Dad, Fireman

Strawberry Wine
10-11-2005, 07:24 PM
Stacy, this is coming along nicely. Love the light on the big "punkin" !!!

Do you have any WN Quin gold???? The light just shines through it. :)

Looking forward to seeing this one develop