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rajneet
10-06-2005, 07:22 PM
Hi everybody,

Its nice to be on wetcanvas after long time.
I am painting a lilly for the first time and i need help painting the shadows.FYI I am a beginner to watercolors.

I am using an image posted by madmum.Its a beautiful picture.
Till now I have complete one petal and I am confused about painting the shadow. :confused:

I cant exactly make out what color to use for shadow.I have read that grey shadows go well with yellow.

Please help me with your suggestions.

Thanks a lot

Rajneet

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Oct-2005/54389-Yellow1.jpeg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Oct-2005/54389-P1010001.JPG

pampe
10-06-2005, 07:40 PM
keep going...wait to do your shadows until you have all the lpetals done...then you will be better able to determine how dark to go

We will help!!!

laudesan
10-06-2005, 10:55 PM
You could do a search in the Studio for yellow flowers, or just type in yellow. There have been a heap of discussions on this subject.

I use..

Australian Red Gold .. Art Specrtum (http://www.pearlpaint.com/shop~parentID~8986~categoryID~8936.htm)

Quin Gold .. W&N (http://www.dickblick.com/zz003/19/)

Raw Sienna M.Graham (http://www.artistsupplies.com/Fine%20Art%20Supplies/Painting%20Supplies/Watercolours/WC%20MGraham/mp_mGR_WCS.HTM)

Raw Umber M.Graham (http://www.artistsupplies.com/Fine%20Art%20Supplies/Painting%20Supplies/Watercolours/WC%20MGraham/mp_mGR_WCS.HTM)



And if you very careful you can use diox purple

Hope this helps..

LyndaN
10-07-2005, 12:35 AM
Rajneet thanks for asking about shadows on yellow flowers because I wondered about that too and will be watching to learn as you go along. What a beautiful lily and you are off to a great start:>)

rajneet
10-07-2005, 01:44 AM
Thanx guys all your suggestions.

Lets see how it comes out.

laudesan
10-07-2005, 02:50 AM
Have a look at this thread. :) http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205492

Tooke me all afternoon to find it..;) It was in the gallery..

ale.l
10-07-2005, 10:08 AM
The way I would approach this would be to regard lighted and shaded areas as having their distinct colors: which means I wouldn't paint the flower yellow and then add shading to it.
If you have trouble with deciphering which colors is which try this:
Cut out a small circle on a white sheet of paper and place it against any part of the painting where you want to see what color it is. You will be suprised with what you find :)

The shaded areas, it seems to me, are calling for some umber color with hints of green and red at places. Just an indication, I would know more if I tried different combinations.

Lynn Quinn
10-07-2005, 10:51 AM
I'll be watching & learning with this one!

T Christensen
10-07-2005, 12:37 PM
Ale hit the nail on the head ...........exactly what I was going to say . Way more affective if you leave the yellow for last and paint all else . Start out using a faint value of yellow then go back and pop the yellow in ...........TerryC

ArtsyMom x3
10-07-2005, 01:02 PM
let me teach you a trick, when you are not "seeing" colors, but seeing shadows....we all do it now and then....first of all, train your eye and your brain to stop looking at a flower but look at colors...shapes, angles..etc.

A great tip for you when you get stuck...use your digital photo program, one that has a dropper tool....bring up your ref. photo in that program. use the dropper tool and put it on the colors you are having trouble figuring out....

I did that with your lilly, here are the colors I pulled out. from these samples, you can mix your paints to use in that lilly.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-3.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-4.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-5.jpg

Believe it or not, ALL of these colors are in that ref. photo...every single one. The only bright yellow in that lilly is on those petals on the top left and on the left. all the rest are shadowed. these swatches were pulled directly off of that bloom!! Hard to believe, isn't it!! Hope this helps. Remember, when you get stuck, use that tool...it is great for helping you "see" colors that are truly there.

rajneet
10-07-2005, 03:44 PM
let me teach you a trick, when you are not "seeing" colors, but seeing shadows....we all do it now and then....first of all, train your eye and your brain to stop looking at a flower but look at colors...shapes, angles..etc.

A great tip for you when you get stuck...use your digital photo program, one that has a dropper tool....bring up your ref. photo in that program. use the dropper tool and put it on the colors you are having trouble figuring out....

I did that with your lilly, here are the colors I pulled out. from these samples, you can mix your paints to use in that lilly.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-1.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-3.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-4.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/30384-5.jpg

Believe it or not, ALL of these colors are in that ref. photo...every single one. The only bright yellow in that lilly is on those petals on the top left and on the left. all the rest are shadowed. these swatches were pulled directly off of that bloom!! Hard to believe, isn't it!! Hope this helps. Remember, when you get stuck, use that tool...it is great for helping you "see" colors that are truly there.


Gosh i never thought about that,
It was really helpful.Learned so much from it and Its going to really help me in painting this flower.
I am going to post the painting in progress soon.

Thanks again.

rajneet
10-07-2005, 04:01 PM
This is the work in progress.Your suggestions are most welcome.You all have been very helpful and I ll be needing your help further also...Thanks so much.

I am thinking to finish this one and redo it...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Oct-2005/54389-P1-02.JPG

rajneet
10-07-2005, 05:07 PM
Have a look at this thread. :) http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205492

Tooke me all afternoon to find it..;) It was in the gallery..

Laudesan, that was very useful indeed.Thanks a ton....I am still going thru it.
Really interesting.

laudesan
10-07-2005, 08:43 PM
You are most welcome..

Looking forward to your finish, and your redo.. :) Post the finished paintings in the Gallery for everyone to see..

CharM
10-08-2005, 08:00 AM
Hi... yellows are tricky to get the shading just right... If you check out my thread on painting a yellow daffodil, I give my steps on how to get there... interestingly enough, my colour choices are very similar to Monique's!!! Definitely Daffy (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248829)

rajneet
10-08-2005, 01:42 PM
CharM, Your inputs in that thread are so useful.

Well now I realised my approach with colors in this painting is wrong.
I am thinking to redo it using the colors u mentioned.

But I am also thinking to take challenge of completeing this painting ,as u said shading would be tricky.

Another thing I would like to ask everyone is ...I dont know how to say this.. how would i find which yellow to use for which yellow flower.
I hope you are getting what this kid is trying to say.

Thanks a lot.

laudesan
10-08-2005, 06:10 PM
You need to paint little thumbnail sketches.. That is the only way you are going to work out your palette.

Doing a graphite thumbnail sketch first is also how you work out your values..:)

rajneet
10-08-2005, 11:45 PM
I am really frustrated :mad:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Oct-2005/54389-P1010007.JPG

laudesan
10-09-2005, 01:15 AM
You really have picked a hard flower to paint for a beginner..:) Don't feel too bad.. (((((rajneet)))))

Do you want to try again???

What colours are you using?????????????

After looking at your pic, I can see what I would have done here..

I copied the ref pic to my computer and enlarged it in my photo editing program. (PSP)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Oct-2005/22284-madmumYellow1_enlarge.jpg

I could see that the darkest shadows are actually orangy red..

So.......

First I would have wet the petal with water on your brush. Just like painting only with water.
Let soak in some, then painted a weak azo yellow wash over it.

Let dry.

repeat.

Let dry.

Is this about the same colour as your ref pic?

If not repeat.

Let dry.

Next I would get a practice piece of paper the same as your painting. I would paint the same yellow as your petal..
Dry it with a hair dryer, and them practice with weak glazes of napthol red on it's own and mixed with azo yellow to match the colour in your ref pic.

When you find the right combination, paint the petal the same way..

Let dry.

On that same piece of scrap paer, i woud have a practice with a little hookers green glazed over hte yellow where the darkes shadow line is. Keep playing with VERY LIGHT glazes until you get the same colour as your ref pic.
Try a little raw sienna see if that will work.

When yu find the right combo, add it to your petal.

Then paint the others the same way..

Thos edots in the middle are made with burnt umber..

Does this help.. :)

rajneet
10-09-2005, 02:07 AM
You really have picked a hard flower to paint for a beginner..:) Don't feel too bad.. (((((rajneet)))))

Do you want to try again???

What colours are you using?????????????

After looking at your pic, I can see what I would have done here..

I copied the ref pic to my computer and enlarged it in my photo editing program. (PSP)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Oct-2005/22284-madmumYellow1_enlarge.jpg

I could see that the darkest shadows are actually orangy red..

So.......

First I would have wet the petal with water on your brush. Just like painting only with water.
Let soak in some, then painted a weak azo yellow wash over it.

Let dry.

repeat.

Let dry.

Is this about the same colour as your ref pic?

If not repeat.

Let dry.

Next I would get a practice piece of paper the same as your painting. I would paint the same yellow as your petal..
Dry it with a hair dryer, and them practice with weak glazes of napthol red on it's own and mixed with azo yellow to match the colour in your ref pic.

When you find the right combination, paint the petal the same way..

Let dry.

On that same piece of scrap paer, i woud have a practice with a little hookers green glazed over hte yellow where the darkes shadow line is. Keep playing with VERY LIGHT glazes until you get the same colour as your ref pic.
Try a little raw sienna see if that will work.

When yu find the right combo, add it to your petal.

Then paint the others the same way..

Thos edots in the middle are made with burnt umber..

Does this help.. :)


Oh thats a big help,Thank you so much.I am definitely going to try this way.
I really want to do this one till i get it right.

I was really frustrated but now i am hopeful things will work fine.
Thanks you so much.

pampe
10-12-2005, 11:35 AM
I think you are trying too much detail

just let the colors flow

what size brush are you using?

rajneet
10-12-2005, 12:40 PM
I am using No. 4 brush.

mmcaloon
10-12-2005, 02:32 PM
Well I was going to say something but after reading the above and looking at the links, I bow to the masters http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/54420-bowiingsmilie.gifhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/54420-bowiingsmilie.gifhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Oct-2005/54420-bowiingsmilie.gif Chars link to daffodiles and JJ process what can I say.

gerbera
10-13-2005, 06:37 PM
Yellow flowers are always difficult to paint. It is very easy, to get muddy colours there.
When I would paint a yellow flower, I would use the following colours (of course, when I also see them in the ref.pic.). I would use Indian Yellow (a warm yellow) , Aureolin (a cool yellow), and maybe translucent orange and/or Alizarin Crimson (all colours are from Schmincke). Indian yellow would be my base-colour. For the cool side I would use the Aureolin, for the warmer side I would do a mix of Indian yellow and Alizarin Crimson and/or translucent orange. Paint which colour you see there and also how strong the colour is. Never use the colour grey for shadows. Mix your own grey with the local colour (in your painting it is yellow , here indian yellow) and the complimentary colour. The shadow colour is the complimentary colour mixed with the local colour. The complimentary colour of yellow is purple. Mix your shadow colour with indian yellow, alizarin crimson and a tiny bit phthalo blue. (red and blue = purple). For me the best help of painting flowers and shadows etc. was the book from Susan Harrison-Tustian "Glorious Garden Flowers in Watercolor". Hope, this helps.
Doris

rajneet
10-14-2005, 03:32 AM
Thanks gerbera for yor help.

Celeste McCall
10-14-2005, 06:44 PM
Hi,
It looks good so far. Keep going. Once you put the background on then the colors that you have already put on there will look very good. ;) :) :)

I can't wait to see the finished painting. ;) :) :)

laudesan
10-14-2005, 06:56 PM
Be very caeful with purple and yellow, they do make mud if not handled carefully. Practice first on scrap paper..:)