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Laurie2
09-26-2005, 05:08 AM
Not sure where I picked up the ref photo...either in the Kettlewell Meet or JTs Spring Meet...photos courtesy of Roger... This genial face caught my eye and I decided he would make a very fine 'Mine Host' :D

I don't know who the gentleman is but I should ask permission to use his photo. If anybody can identify him please let me know and if he has objection to my using his fine face work will stop :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2005/56900-7407.jpg
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2005/56900-HOST1.jpg

Arches Medium 300gsm. Winsor Newton Blue/Black. Size 11"x7.50"

Masking still in place. 2 washes. features laid in.

Nandie
09-26-2005, 04:27 PM
Wow such character in that face. YOu have captured it well so far, keep going! :)

Laurie2
09-26-2005, 05:57 PM
Thank you Nandie.....did another background wash and tried to retrieve lost ear...sigh
I think the glass of wine gives 'Mine Host' a focal point...what do you think?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Sep-2005/56900-HOST2.jpg

Nandie
09-26-2005, 09:35 PM
Yes it certainly fits with the piece..... go for it! Just an observation, his left eye (on our right) seems to be looking at the glass, while his right eye (on our left) is looking down. (mind you if he's already had a few, this could be the case in real life!) ;)

Laurie2
09-26-2005, 10:09 PM
:D I see what you mean Nandie...when the masking is out I will do something to that eye....
From the ref I rather think he was in the kitchen making a cuppa...LOL ;)

Laurie2
09-27-2005, 02:13 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2005/56900-HOST3.jpg

jaytee
09-27-2005, 07:35 AM
Laurie.......... it was taken at the Kington Spring gathering......... its John.. need to check his surname........ will get back to you........ he's in my kitchen :)

Laurie2
09-27-2005, 07:49 AM
Thank you JayT....I do hope John ? will not object to my using his face...Oh Gosh...praps he is a Teetotaller.....fingers crossed that is not the case....sigh

madmum
09-27-2005, 08:25 AM
Don't worry Laurie, John isn't teetotal (I think he prefers real ale though :D ) Keep going, you're off to a good start!

Ruth

Nandie
09-27-2005, 11:44 AM
Those eyes look much better now, Laurie! :)

seedy
09-27-2005, 03:33 PM
Go with the wine.....

Laurie2
09-27-2005, 06:00 PM
Thankyou Jaytee, Madmum, Nandie and Seedy.
I went to John Kays Profile as Madmum suggested and sent off an email. Visited his webpage and wouldn't ya know it...got sidetracked and spent ages browsing through it ...John is a very accomplished painter...hope he is also a tolerant man :)

Laurie2
10-04-2005, 12:12 AM
I have received a reply from John Kay and he has OK'd my use of his photo...so onward....
Blocking in tones with purple washes.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Oct-2005/56900-HOST4b.jpg

I have a horrid suspicion that the hand is going to give me trouble...sigh

jaydiva
10-04-2005, 03:42 AM
Keep goin' Laurie!!
Hand and everything else is looking real good sofar.
I think the glass is a great idea

Juttahttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Aug-2005/32313-51j.gif

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Sep-2005/32313-tnhaus.jpg

my new art website (http://www.diva-design.de/JBB/index.htm)

Laurie2
10-09-2005, 08:30 AM
For some reason I am receiving error messages when I try to upload my updated painting.
The message says

"Warning: move_uploaded_file(): Unable to move '/tmp/php1S8fuv' to '/opt/web/www/Community/images/09-Oct-2005/56900-HOST5b.jpg' in /upload_image_save2.php on line 78
Ack! There was an error copying your file - email us ...'

email who?

laudesan
10-09-2005, 08:40 AM
Laurie the uploader is broken again, copy and paste your error message into the report all bugs thread.

Or

Email kerri.

[email protected]



.

Laurie2
10-09-2005, 10:02 PM
Aha!...The Uploader ...she works today...Hmmmmmmmmm

A few more paint strokes.... :wave:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Oct-2005/56900-HOST5b.jpg

Laurie2
10-09-2005, 10:08 PM
and a bit of tidying up.........I will put the top edge of the glass back today :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Oct-2005/56900-HOST6b.jpg

laudesan
10-10-2005, 12:04 AM
Maybe a hit of where his sweatshirt side is and his sleeve would be??

I am trying to say a slight shadow under his arms..

Laurie2
10-24-2005, 05:23 AM
A few more brush strokes...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Oct-2005/56900-MINEHOST.jpg

laudesan
10-24-2005, 05:47 AM
Laurie good to see you are still working on this.

Looking gooooooooooood!!!!! :)

Laurie2
10-24-2005, 06:07 AM
I haven't done much painting for a coup[le of weeks, other than the floral macros class...have been busy nursing an injured kitty...she is in hospital tonight following hip surgery....poor lil mite.
I hope John Kay approves of the work so far :)

laudesan
10-24-2005, 06:37 AM
(((((Hugs))))) for Kitty. Poor little mite is right. So sad..

Nacre
10-24-2005, 07:02 PM
Laurie this is coming along famously. You have captured the likeness very well and the beard is looking really good. :clap:

Laurie2
10-26-2005, 04:56 AM
Another update...probably the last.......unless there is a glaringly obvious need for more brushstrokes :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Oct-2005/56900-MINEH.jpg

Laurie2
10-26-2005, 07:17 AM
Tweaked a bit around the beard and moustache

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Oct-2005/56900-MINEH2.jpg

Nandie
10-26-2005, 09:08 PM
Laurie this is turning out really nice! I wouldn't mind seeing the background (the wall behind him) go darker so that he and his wineglass stand out a little more. It would also make those light areas on the cupboard a bit more dramatic. What do you think? :)

laudesan
10-26-2005, 09:11 PM
Laurie what nandie said.

Looks pretty good tho'.

I don't know if in the original or not that purple underpainting in his face is so obvious???

Laurie2
10-26-2005, 09:28 PM
Laurie this is turning out really nice! I wouldn't mind seeing the background (the wall behind him) go darker so that he and his wineglass stand out a little more. It would also make those light areas on the cupboard a bit more dramatic. What do you think? :)


I have been debating that with myself...I think you could be right :)
It is so far removed from the original photo in that there was a kitchen background...but I left myself with nowhere to go ...so to speak....except dark. ;)

Nandie
10-26-2005, 10:35 PM
I have been debating that with myself...I think you could be right :)
It is so far removed from the original photo in that there was a kitchen background...but I left myself with nowhere to go ...so to speak....except dark. ;)

Yes but that's okay though!! Too much "busyness" in the B/G would just detract from your focal point (the man with the glass). Now, after learning a bit about making your paintings "pop" (Thanks to Celeste McCall) how about warming up the BG a bit? It would tie in with those warm-colored bottles on the shelf and make a nice contrast with the cool blue of his shirt. Maybe a warm dark mix of FUB and Burnt Sienna (more brown than blue)? Then you need to add some dark reflections in the bottom portion of the wine glass, maybe even strengthen the color of the wine to more of a burgundy?

These are just suggestions, you don't have to follow them. Just thinking out loud - this is what I would do! :)

Laurie2
10-26-2005, 10:52 PM
"warm dark mix of FUB and Burnt Sienna (more brown than blue)? Then you need to add some dark reflections in the bottom portion of the wine glass, maybe even strengthen the color of the wine to more of a burgundy?"


oooops...........I'll give it a go............

Laurie2
10-26-2005, 11:37 PM
The background i and the wine are richer.....good choices Andrea...Thankyou :D http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Oct-2005/56900-MINEH3.jpg

cyrillejubert
10-27-2005, 06:02 AM
Hi there :wave:

may I contribute ?
just wanting to help and bring some "water" to your mill

First impression... It seems like what we call here an "image of Epinal"
Epinal is a town, famous for their coloured prints at the end of last century.
(in France) :cool:
They used 4 or six colours.. and did not mix them like printers do today.

Your painting is blue.. pink and red
:rolleyes: interesting !

What does that man do ?
He is looking at the colour and the clarity of his wine...
When you do that, you place your wind in the light or a candle behind the glass...

:D My family is from Bordeaux and has been in wine business for centuries

When a glass is in the light, you have strong effects and reflections
here is a selection of photos to explain it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/19462-glasses.jpg

do you see what I mean ?

I did n't make the same job for the man's face, but you could contrast him too
and add a spot of light in his eye using gouache or gesso
well ! :cool: that's cyrille 's feeling ;)

happy painting!

Laurie2
10-27-2005, 06:13 AM
Hi there :wave:

may I contribute ?
just wanting to help and bring some "water" to your mill

First impression... It seems like what we call here an "image of Epinal"
Epinal is a town, famous for their coloured prints at the end of last century.
(in France) :cool:
They used 4 or six colours.. and did not mix them like printers do today.

Your painting is blue.. pink and red
:rolleyes: interesting !

What does that man do ?
He is looking at the colour and the clarity of his wine...
When you do that, you place your wind in the light or a candle behind the glass...

:D My family is from Bordeaux and has been in wine business for centuries

When a glass is in the light, you have strong effects and reflections
here is a selection of photos to explain it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/19462-glasses.jpg

do you see what I mean ?

I did n't make the same job for the man's face, but you could contrast him too
and add a spot of light in his eye using gouache or gesso
well ! :cool: that's cyrille 's feeling ;)

happy painting!


Wonderful!...Many thanks for your input...it could only happen in WC that I would get such great constructive crits....:) and from the horse's mouth...so to speak :)
Watch this space...I will try to put those tips into practise. :wave:

cyrillejubert
10-27-2005, 07:03 AM
Just ask the Dr ;)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/19462-imagerie2.gif

That is an "images d'Epinal".. see what the second doctor is about to do :D
and "google search" (http://images.google.fr/images?svnum=10&hl=fr&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=images+d%27Epinal&btnG=Rechercher) about them.

By the way, your drawing is great!

Laurie2
10-27-2005, 09:32 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/56900-MINEH4.jpg

Nandie
10-27-2005, 10:36 AM
Very nice Laurie! Now you need to extend that BG color to the wall area to the right of the man's hand I think! Love the way that color warmed the whole thing up!

Laurie2
10-27-2005, 07:41 PM
On Arches 7.50" x 11" which means I would need to have a very steady hand to do any fine work with the eyes...Sigh

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Oct-2005/56900-MINEH5.jpg

Nandie
10-27-2005, 08:31 PM
I like it!!!

Laurie2
10-27-2005, 09:01 PM
I like it!!!


Thanks Andrea...I valued your input....shall I say "It's a wrap" Now :) :wave:

Thinks............. I do hope John Kay comes by and likes what he sees....

Nacre
10-27-2005, 11:05 PM
:clap: Well done laurie.

jaytee
10-28-2005, 01:55 AM
well Done Laurie :)

Laurie2
10-28-2005, 01:59 AM
Thank you Pearl :)
and Jaytee.....especially glad to see you Jaytee...as you know the subject personally :)
Can you pass the word along?

John Kay
10-29-2005, 11:09 AM
Hi Laurie,
I've been away for many weeks and I have not visited WC for so long, I've just seen all the entries for your painting of me as Mine Host. You have no need to worry about my tastes in alcohol I love wine almost as well as I like beer.
Your critic who questioned your drawing is not aware, as I'm sure you are not that in fact I have a divergent squint and therefore your drawing was quite correct from the photograph.
I think your painting is an excellent and thoughtful representation and has worked out very well indeed. It's very flattering indeed to have been chosen as a subject.
One piece of advice I would offer however is this, I noted that you used paynes grey for your preliminary sketch work. This colour has a large proportion of lamp black in its makeup and that tends to take a lot of the freshness away from any glaze colour put over it and turns it very greyish. You can avoid this in future if you do the underlying drawing in a softer colour like very dilute burnt siena or burnt umber.
Very well done however, a very creditable piece of work.

John

Laurie2
10-29-2005, 04:10 PM
G'Morning and Thank you so much for the tremendous start to my day. :clap:
I will certainly bear in mind your comment re: preliminary sketches. In this instance I had used a premixed Daly Rowney `convenience` colour named `Shadow`and it probably does contain Paynes Gray.
It was my pleasure to use your photo and I am so happy to see you are pleased with the result. :clap: :clap: :clap:
P.S. You, Sir, have a very interesting face :D :wave: