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Exurban
09-22-2005, 03:49 PM
I want to change how I am approaching watercolours, as I have a tendency to be too tight and "paint between the lines". Thought I'd show you how I'm doing (there have been ups and downs so far)! This is on 140 lb Arches, 10" x 14".

Reference photo (mine):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Sep-2005/66515-WIP-Ref.jpg

I pencilled the drawing freehand, and washed some yellows in (this photo shows them up as too strong):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Sep-2005/66515-WIP-1.jpg

Then I masked out the opening at the back and the slats, as well as the leaves and straw. I tried washing very wet and loose with colours that approximated the colours I wanted to end up with, ignoring the pencil lines as much as I could (based on my personality):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Sep-2005/66515-WIP-2.jpg

As soon as I did this, the pencil lines started to disappear! Even though the washes weren't as dark as I had wanted. I tried to refind them, and pencilled back in the most important ones, like the beams. AArrrggghh!

Then I went back in and darkened some areas, to get more depth, and added some definition. But still not dark enough, and those boards up front are way too visible! I didn't want to paint every board (my usual style) but just suggest boards - harder than it sounds!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Sep-2005/66515-WIP-3.jpg

Next I decideed to go ahead and take the mask off - and it took most of the yellow with it! Aaarrrrggghhhh again. I've masked over painted areas before, but with deeper colours than yellow (they do fade a bit):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Sep-2005/66515-WIP-4.jpg

I added more details, like the leaves, and rubbed out some of the edges next to the bright area, to try to give that "over-exposed" effect that you get around the edges of objects against a strong light. I see I forgot the slats up top, though! I darkened the foreground some more, but I'm still not happy with the boards up front.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Sep-2005/66515-WIP-5.jpg

I'm going to take a break and return tomorrow (there's a glass of unwooded chardonnay calling me). Comments, anyone?

jaydiva
09-22-2005, 05:15 PM
Fabulous!! I like how you went about it with this one!
Can't wait to see more

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Strider
09-22-2005, 05:52 PM
I'm going to take a break and return tomorrow (there's a glass of unwooded chardonnay calling me). Comments, anyone?

Yes Pat, pass the bottle. ;) Love what you're chasing here. The refpic is awesome. Looks like if you add the yellow back in, continue to develop your darks and textures, this is going to be a winner. Looking forward to your next installment! :wave:

Oh, by the way, wonderful website...

Exurban
09-22-2005, 06:02 PM
Thanks for the comments, Jutta and Kevin. I was wondering about adding the yellow back in (I'm a bit of a coward), I think I'll do it! (hope that's not the chardonnay talking)

laudesan
09-22-2005, 08:45 PM
Woweeeeeeeeeeee..


The ref pic looks hard.............

Your painting is awesome...........

Pulling up a chair here..;)

Exurban
09-23-2005, 11:58 AM
Hi JJ! I figured if I was going to "paint in public" I might as well pick a hard one - it's much more entertaining to watch my struggles, isn't it?

I have put the yellow wash back in (hard to see in the photo), and tweaked the shadows, textures and those darned boards (still not happy with them). I think I better take a break, I have moved from loose to tight (or is that "too tight"). Comments please on this version - I appreciate any and all constructive criticism!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Sep-2005/66515-WIP-6.jpg

Exurban
09-23-2005, 02:33 PM
This is an attempt to paint more loosely, but I think I ended up painting almost as detailed as usual. At least I held off until near the end! I (EDIT: originally) posted it in the Watercolour Studio and I would certainly like feedback - thanks, everyone!

EDITED by Yorky and combined with original thread.

Strider
09-23-2005, 04:06 PM
Howdy Pat! I really like what you've done. A couple things to think about. You have very strong diagonals leading to the bright opening where reside your lightest light n' darks. So, the viewer's eye is drawn there, but IMO, once there, nothing to spice up this center of interest...but a glaring light. Maybe some more wild growth and young saplings...with a bit of sky color? The greens would contrast well with the reddish cast to the interior.

Also, how about a secondary COI on the interior? Maybe a few coils of rope hanging from the beams, or an old bucket...see what I'm saying?

Please don't get me wrong, I really do like this a bunch and think you have done yourself proud! Might be best to leave this beauty as is and try another version. The scene has so much potential for variation. Oh, and thanks for allowing me a copy of the refpic. It's a beaut. Keep posting, and a belated welcome to WC!

painterbear
09-23-2005, 04:30 PM
Pat,

I have really enjoyed your WIP so far. Your explanations are terrific too. Kev has given you some good suggestions about possible additions.

I really like your reference photo, but I like the colors you put in your painting even more.

I gave you a Merit point for this thread because you made it so interesting. You seem to be pretty "loose" compared to me. LOL!

Sylvia

Exurban
09-23-2005, 05:19 PM
Thanks, Kevin, great suggestions, I appreciate the feedback! I'll consider what to do next over another glass of that chardonnay.

And Sylvia, thank-you very much for rewarding my bravery (not sure what a Merit point is, but I'll look it up)!

T Christensen
09-23-2005, 08:36 PM
I love this ...you handled it well ...I especially like the movement you gave it , and the boards are great . I like a loose painting with some details and hard edges in selected areas , thats what I see here . If it were mine I would show the rocks in the wall ...only on the back (left) edge , fading away to the light . Because it is such a cool wall ..........Terryc

Richard Saylor
09-23-2005, 09:46 PM
I think I better take a break, I have moved from loose to tight (or is that "too tight"). Comments please on this version - I appreciate any and all constructive criticism!You have not moved to "too tight." If some idiot teacher is badgering you with balderdash like that, then fire them. They're just jealous. It's a wonderful painting! Stop all this tight/loose nonsense anyhow and just develop your own style. You're doing great. Sometimes I wish I had never heard the terms "tight" and "loose." Most of the people who say they want to paint "loose" just can't draw worth a hoot and think that looseness is a substitute for drawing, which it most emphatically is not.

Lori Andrews
09-24-2005, 12:22 AM
Oh My Pat, how you've made a picture that really wasn't MUch at all become so 'WONDERFUL" How'd you do dat??? I love it... is it done or are you going to post more?? I love it..!!! AGAIN... If I could only take an ordinary thing or picture like this and turn it into music like you did............ hhh.mmmm maybe I'd have more money in my checking account....
Sincerely,
Lori

Sorry Pat, I didn't scroll far enough, I see your finished now, and again, I applaud you...

I try to respond to as much as I can when I post a request for my own... so I read real quick.. sorry...

Exurban
09-24-2005, 08:53 AM
Thanks, Terry, for the compliments and suggestions. I am going to do one more tweak today, and then I better call it a day (or week).

Richard, I must have hit a sore spot (that darned tight/loose one)! I haven't had any instruction in watercolour yet, I started almost a year ago on my own. I admire more abstract styles, but I do realize I have a style of my own emerging, and you are probably right, pursue that one. Thanks, I needed that!

Lori, again, thanks for the compliments, I'm glad that you see the "music" - I want to present nature in a way that can make someone stop and respond - feel the "music" - if only for a moment.

Exurban
09-24-2005, 11:13 AM
OK, I strengthened the rock wall textures on the far left side and added a bit of blue to the opening. I think I'll stop here. Thanks, everyone, for the critiques and support! I hope you enjoyed my WIP thread - I know I enjoy watching how other WC! members approach a painting!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2005/66515-WIP-7.jpg

tep394
09-24-2005, 11:19 AM
Pat: You have done it. This is gallery work here. The textures are stimulating and the presence of light is very real in your work. I rally like what you did with the stone wall. Excellent.

painterbear
09-24-2005, 12:28 PM
Pat,

All it needs now is your signature, it really turned out beautifully. Love the air of mystery there is about the subject and your palette is very nice too.

Hope you'll start a thread with your final version in the Gallery now, and also post it in the September Thumbnail Gallery (see Yorky's sticky at the top of the Gallery sub-forum for that).

Sylvia

Fagan
09-24-2005, 12:35 PM
this is great Pat!! I appreciate how you were struggling with this painting. One thing I noticed is that the photo you decided to use for a "looser" painting...just screams to be done in a more "tight" format. *LOL* anyway...to me it seems that way. I like the final treatment of the painting...especially the added texture to the wall. I do feel like I am in this old barn looking out to the sunshine. Very well done!

Exurban
09-24-2005, 01:08 PM
Thanks, Beverly and Sylvia! You're right, Beverly, I may try a different photo next time!

Rich
09-24-2005, 03:01 PM
Nice work Pat.
I have moved your thread to the studio and left a redirect since it is a WIP. The Gallery is for finished works only.

Rich

Strider
09-24-2005, 03:41 PM
Great finish Pat! Funny how just a few tweaks can move a good painting right on up the beauty scales! Love it. :wave:

Richard Saylor
09-24-2005, 03:42 PM
Richard, I must have hit a sore spot (that darned tight/loose one)! I haven't had any instruction in watercolour yet, I started almost a year ago on my own. I admire more abstract styles, but I do realize I have a style of my own emerging, and you are probably right, pursue that one. Thanks, I needed that!Maybe I'm just allergic to buzzwords, and "loose" is without question the absolute king of all buzzwords at WetCanvas! :) That's not your fault, of course, so forgive me for sounding off.

Keep up the good work!

Richard

laudesan
09-25-2005, 07:28 AM
OK, I strengthened the rock wall textures on the far left side and added a bit of blue to the opening. I think I'll stop here. Thanks, everyone, for the critiques and support! I hope you enjoyed my WIP thread - I know I enjoy watching how other WC! members approach a painting!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Sep-2005/66515-WIP-7.jpg ASOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I would love to see it bigger tho'..

Exurban
09-25-2005, 09:14 AM
HHmmmmm - for some reason I thought I was posting the images at the right size. Here is a larger one. I'm not sure how to change the ones that are already posted!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Sep-2005/66515-abandoned_shed_wcsize.jpg

jaydiva
09-25-2005, 01:11 PM
Fansupertastic!!!
I love it!!!

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laudesan
09-25-2005, 09:40 PM
:) That is better.....thank you. Absolutely beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap:

Becky-Bob
09-26-2005, 11:41 AM
Well, I missed this but it is JUST super!! I agree with Fagan, I believe who said you chose to do loose with a scene that insisted more detail....and definement. I think it is lovely! ;)

Exurban
09-26-2005, 04:53 PM
Thanks, JJ, Jutta, Becky, Richard - discovering this site has been wonderful for me, I have been painting alone, and I need the feedback (who doesn't)! Plus it's great to see what others are doing. I just haven't figured out yet how to avoid getting hooked on browsing through all the new posts two or three times a day!