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Borum
09-21-2005, 09:39 AM
It has been a while since I have posted any watercolors, but I have been with you all in spirit. Have been mostly working on improving my drawing skills and will soon try these in watercolor. I want to try glazing over the pencil with washes and hopefully the rendering of the values with show through. Has anyone tried this before? Anyway will post what I do…..

My wife ....


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Sep-2005/7613-AmandaFin.jpg

ale.l
09-21-2005, 09:44 AM
Hey, what the....!?! This is terrific. This stands on its own in its own right, don't ruin it now, ok?

How are you planning to apply watercolor washes over pencil drawings? I would be interested in seeing the result. BUT DON'T DO IT ON THIS ONE.

Regards and welcome back.

Borum
09-21-2005, 10:31 AM
Hey, what the....!?! This is terrific. This stands on its own in its own right, don't ruin it now, ok?

How are you planning to apply watercolor washes over pencil drawings? I would be interested in seeing the result. BUT DON'T DO IT ON THIS ONE.

Regards and welcome back.


Thanks for replying, ale.1. I figure the pencil shading will act as an under layer (can’t remember the technical name for it) giving me the various render shades needed to make the portrait look realistic. I want a realistic look, but then I want that "glow" only watercolor seems to have, know what I mean? I have attached a couple of little scribes that I have done using this technique and it looks like it will work.

Again thank you for replying…

Also I can't use the attached image of my wife, because it has all ready been spoken for....I guess I'll have to redo it...

Also here is a WIP of my little girl....you got to give this a try, it is like "painting with a pencil". I am hoping that it will help me develope a "better eye" for rendering shapes and shadows...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Sep-2005/7613-ViaDrw.jpg

Watercolor over pencil....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Sep-2005/7613-Drw_1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Sep-2005/7613-Drw_2.jpg

painterbear
09-21-2005, 10:43 AM
Hi Borum,
Welcome back to the Watercolor Forum.

Your pencil drawings are beautiful and the ones you added watercolor too are really nice too—especially the pot with the grasses growing out of it.

This is similar to the technique of using a purple or bluish underpainting for the shadows and darker values before applying the body colors on top—see MustCreate's paintings and Genna's Portraits Class.

I always paint over my graphite drawings to start my paintings, but I haven't used the pencil for the shading as you have done. Do you have any trouble with the graphite making your paints look dirty? that would be my fear.

Sylvia

BTW, I'm going to ask a Moderator to move this thread to the Studio. You've been gone a while and we've divided the Forum up into several sub-Forums. I think you'll get more responses in the Studio where works in progress go. :)

Borum
09-21-2005, 10:55 AM
Thanks Sylvia, for having this moved...I didn't know where to post...the problem with the graphite causing the paint to become dirty hasn't caused any problems yet, but I think that by control how “dark” I go with the graphite will help with this and I should be able to use it to add a more “gradual” shading to the subject. It is all in the shading!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Woodsy
09-21-2005, 11:31 AM
Hi Borum, have you tried using watercolour pencils instead of graphite pencils? I must admit I've not actually tried it myself, but I would have thought they would blend in with overlying washes and reduce the risk of dirtying the colours if you pick the right colour pencil to start with.
Al.

maryrose
09-21-2005, 12:16 PM
Hi Borum...beautiful drawings!

I like the effect you acheived in your sample tree and jug.

Alex Powers is an artist who effectively combines charcoal and watercolor.

There are some great examples of his work on Page 15...drawing the head:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0823038688/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-0655376-9076911#reader-page

Also...I heard about these Derwent Graphitints, on WC, and bought myself a tin...
http://pigpog.com/wiki/index.php/Derwent_Graphitint
An artist who uses them :eek:
http://www.sormerod.co.uk/

They can do some interesting things...combining drawing and color wash.

butofcourse...they've gone ONSALE since I ordered them!

http://www.artsuppliesonline.com/catalog.cfm?cata_id=9865

Good luck...fun to explore new roads :)

Borum
09-21-2005, 12:17 PM
Hi Borum, have you tried using watercolour pencils instead of graphite pencils? I must admit I've not actually tried it myself, but I would have thought they would blend in with overlying washes and reduce the risk of dirtying the colours if you pick the right colour pencil to start with.
Al.

Haven't given that a thought, so will file that away. Because of the way you blend the graphite into paper, there isn't much of it left on the surface. Anyway I believe that it will take a very light touch all the way around. Thank you for replyihng..... :)

juneto
09-21-2005, 12:35 PM
Borum , These are Terrific.
More !
June

Borum
09-21-2005, 12:54 PM
Thank you June, and your reply inspires me more than you would know....I admire your work, and your vision.... :)

Rich
09-21-2005, 01:56 PM
Hi Donum, I have moved your thread to the Studio since it is an art discussion. The wash is for off topic (watercolor) info. There is a redirect in the Cafe.

Nice work!

seedy
09-21-2005, 05:38 PM
Hi....
I was about to say the same as ale....Knew you could'nt get away with that ;-)
I've seen some watercolours that I would swear has something like graphite dust and I know its not granulation....Will follow you on this and will also post a picture of what I mean....
Golfing tomorrow.....scores don't matter....winning the bets is the name of the game.

laudesan
09-21-2005, 08:28 PM
Interesting conversation.


Your drawing of your wife is beautiful. I have to ask tho' what is that behind her head/neck???

Borum
09-22-2005, 08:30 AM
Hi....
I was about to say the same as ale....Knew you could'nt get away with that ;-)
I've seen some watercolours that I would swear has something like graphite dust and I know its not granulation....Will follow you on this and will also post a picture of what I mean....
Golfing tomorrow.....scores don't matter....winning the bets is the name of the game.

Thanks Brain for looking. Waiting to see the picture..

Good luck with the golf and your right, I don't care if I shoot 105 as long as you shot 106..... :evil: You ever been down this way to go to the Masters?

Borum
09-22-2005, 08:32 AM
Interesting conversation.


Your drawing of your wife is beautiful. I have to ask tho' what is that behind her head/neck???

Thank you for looking. As you face the drawing on the right it is a strand of hair. Kinda of had to make that up because the pic wasn't all that good. Again thank you for looking and replying....