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Ian Bruce
09-04-2005, 10:52 PM
Here is the photo I took. Well-meaning friends have told me I don't need to paint this, as the photo is too good to improve. Great.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Sep-2005/64870-stilljugshrunk.jpg


Here is the sketch plus yellow ochre underpainting with rose and viridian dropped in (not very well). The outline is protected with frisk to assist my limited wash skills.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Sep-2005/64870-small1.jpg


Here is the background glazed in. I used a Alirizon Crimson/Viridian mix that has been recommended to me as a transparent black. Having trouble.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Sep-2005/64870-small2.jpg


Background looking better. Used less Viridian in wash. Used gum arabic in water to make the dark more transparent and sponge textured to blot out streaks of uneven wash. Sponged in some Burnt Umber. Table improved with same technique, using Burnt Sienna and Burnt Umber, but with more horizontal wiping. Areas of scratch and wear reserved with frisk. Underpainted Pewter and fruit with a Prussian Blue/Burnt Umber mix grissaille. Dropped in reflection colors with Aliziran Crimson/Rose, orange and Cerulean/Cobalt Blue mixes and Sap Green. Washed in cloth color.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Sep-2005/64870-small4.jpg

Filled in pewter color with with more washes of Alirizon Crimson/Prussian Blue mix. Another choice determined by advice I have received on this forum.



http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Sep-2005/64870-small5.jpg

I used Lemon Yellow, Cadmium Yellow and Sap Green on apple. Used Cadmium red, Alizarin Red and Cadmium Yellow on orange. Painting looks really good in bright sunshine at twenty to thirty feet. I am not done yet and hope to achieve further improvements.

Everyone's advice has been very helpfull and encouraging. Thank you. Further comments and suggestions would be most welcome.

jaydiva
09-05-2005, 04:28 AM
Wow Ian, you've done some excellent work here!! Thanks for describing what you've been doing so far :clap:

I really like the reflections of the fruit and the tablecloth! The cracks on the table are very well done.
I can't give you any advice since this absolutely is way above my skills.

Juttahttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Aug-2005/32313-51j.gif

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Aug-2005/32313-tn.jpg

laudesan
09-05-2005, 05:10 AM
Well!! Looooooooooooooking good!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks for describing your process, really interesting to see how you got to this point..:)

I think you can go darker yet on the fruit and the pewter pot.. You are not quite there yet..

I love the table and the cloth, and the background is really nice too.

Now is the time to do a grey scale of both your painting and your photo. Compare them and see what you think..:)

painterbear
09-05-2005, 05:43 AM
Ian,

Your friends are right that the photo is absolutely wonderful, but they are wrong about you not painting it! What you've done so far is really looking terrific.

Thanks for doing this as a WIP and describing the colors and techniques you are using. I would definitely give you a Merit Point for today, but I notice the Merit/Mentor buttons are missing???? Maybe they are tinkering with the system again. Anyway, you deserve one.

Sylvia

CharM
09-05-2005, 08:19 AM
Ian,

Your friends are right that the photo is absolutely wonderful, but they are wrong about you not painting it! What you've done so far is really looking terrific.

Thanks for doing this as a WIP and describing the colors and techniques you are using. I would definitely give you a Merit Point for today, but I notice the Merit/Mentor buttons are missing???? Maybe they are tinkering with the system again. Anyway, you deserve one.

Sylvia

I love to follow Sylvia as she seems to say exactly what I was thinking... I don't see the Merit button either, so I'll rate your thread... it's fantastic!

Ian Bruce
09-05-2005, 09:46 AM
Thank you for the positive comments. Yes I intend to increase the value range, JJ--I think I will make a print out of the photo converted to black and white and see what that suggests to me about the values. I may even make a print out of the painting converted to black and white to compare the two. I have never tried this before. Should be interesting. I have to go dig a hole in the cellar now--a job I have been putting off. Thanks again.

Ian Bruce
09-05-2005, 08:05 PM
I made a black and white version on the origional photo and also of the painting as it stands to compare values. I wonder if this is useful? I kind of wonder about using photos at all. It does make one, perhaps, too slow and careful--but I don't believe that I have the skills to paint fast and loose yet--much as I admire those who can.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Sep-2005/64870-stilljugshrunk.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Sep-2005/64870-small5.jpg

laudesan
09-06-2005, 02:51 AM
Yes I believe it is useful to do a grayscale, look at your painting and look at the ref pic.

This is NOT trying to be photo realistic, this is about VALUES..

Compare the two pictures, and see how the deeper values make the picture more dramatic..

Have a read of theis thread on VALUES (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247825)

Your painting is really lovely Ian, but is can be eyepopping beautiful if you boost up those values/shadows .. :)

Ian Bruce
09-07-2005, 08:53 PM
Well, I've put in some more work on the painting. I also made a discovery. While adding gum arabic to a dark mixture increases transparency and gives it a glow that conteracts muddiness, its other use--making a wash more 'liftable'--can be a problem when you try to add another layer of glaze--the previous layer is really eager to 'lift off ' under the brush.:eek: But I managed.

P.S. The new and improved Image Uploader button does not work for me. I have mastered the old one in Quick Links, however.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Sep-2005/64870-stillshrunk6.jpg

laudesan
09-07-2005, 10:37 PM
Yes. That is looking awesome now.. Love the fruit, love the reflections on the pot. The cloth looks fabulous..

Are you happy with it??

leverettfinn
09-08-2005, 09:43 AM
Lovely Ian! I like your interpretation better than the photo....background is wonderful! :clap:

Lauren

Granny R
09-08-2005, 10:10 AM
Terrific job..... it really is helpful to do the values comparison. Lovve everything about this painting.
Ruth

Ian Bruce
09-08-2005, 08:52 PM
Thanks for the encouragement. Yes, JJ, I am reasonably happy with it. The orange, unfortunately, looked better before I 'improved' it. I will do some more work on the cloth and the table. I have thought of lifting out some color in the top left of the background to show the diagonal path of the light. This was to be a practice piece for the more complex still life that I would really like to attempt (see below). I think I will do something else first, though.

I would, however, appreciate some feedback on which of the two I should attempt when I get around to it. I am not totally happy with the composition of either, but the color and light is wonderful.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2005/64870-stilljugshrunk2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Sep-2005/64870-stilljugshrunk3.jpg

laudesan
09-08-2005, 08:57 PM
Oh MY. What gorgeous photos'.. I particulary loe the first one!!!!!!!

painterbear
09-09-2005, 04:22 AM
I like the first one too. The light is more interesting IMHO and the russet color in the background also adds a nice touch.

Your painting that you're working on now is looking good. The orange looks fine. The apple is still flat until you put more shadowing on it which you said was still to come.

The pewter is wonderful.

Sylvia

CharM
09-09-2005, 09:13 AM
Hi Ian... this is really coming along beautifully... You've certainly captured the light and your painting is much better than the photo...

I'm not really sure which of the next two compositions I prefer... While the lighting is gorgeous in the first one, the blue glass doesn't seem to connect... the flow of the composition is interrupted... In the second one, the shadows connect the two pieces of blue, making the flow of the composition itself better, but the lighting isn't as interesting...

Decisions... decisions...

jolynnmorse
09-15-2005, 12:08 AM
Your painting looks great....are you done?
I really like the detail you put on the wood.