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A Few Pigments
07-31-2005, 07:12 PM
This month we explore the pastels of Pierre-Auguste Renoir, 1841-1919 http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/renoir_pierre-auguste.html

Auguste Renoir Gallery http://www.renoir.org.yu/

A Brief History of Impressionism
Centered in France, 1860's to 1880's
Impressionism is a light, spontaneous manner of painting which began in France as a reaction against the restrictions and conventions of the dominant Academic art http://www.artcyclopedia.com/history/academic-art.html . Its naturalistic and down-to-earth treatment of its subject matter, most commonly landscapes, has its roots in the French Realism http://www.artcyclopedia.com/history/realism.html of Camille Corot http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/corot_jean-baptiste-camille.html and others.

The movement's name was derived from Monet's early work, Impression: Sunrise, which was singled out for criticism by Louis Leroy upon its exhibition.
1873, Impression: Sunrise
oil on canvas http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=3123

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2005/42249-1873_Monet_Impression_Sunrise_oil.jpg

The hallmark of the style is the attempt to capture the subjective impression of light in a scene.

The core of the earliest Impressionist group was made up of;
1840-1926, Claude Monet, French Impressionist Painter, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/monet_claude.html
1839-1899, Alfred Sisley, French Impressionist Painter, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/sisley_alfred.html
1841-1919, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, French Impressionist Painter, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/renoir_pierre-auguste.html

Others associated with this period were:
1830-1903, Camille Pissarro, Caribbean-born French Pointillist/Impressionist Painter, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/pissarro_camille.html http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/pissarro_camille.html
1841-1870, Frťdťric Bazille, French Impressionist Painter, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/bazille_frederic.html

1834-1917, Edgar Degas, French Realist/Impressionist Painter and Sculptor, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/degas_edgar.html
Masters of Pastels Ė December 2004 Edgar Germain Hilaire Degas
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233729

1848-1894, Gustave Caillebotte, French Impressionist Painter, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/caillebotte_gustave.html

1832-1883, Edouard Manet, French Realist/Impressionist Painter, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/manet_edouard.html
Masters of Pastels-May 2005-Edouard Manet
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268385

1841-1895, Berthe Morisot, French Impressionist Painter, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/morisot_berthe.html
Masters of Pastels-February 2005 Berthe Morisot http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247377

1844-1926, Mary Cassatt, American Impressionist Painter, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/cassatt_mary.html
Masters of Pastels-January 2005 Mary Stevenson Cassatt http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239801

The Impressionist style was probably the single most successful and identifiable "movement" ever, and is still widely practiced today. But as an intellectual school it faded towards the end of the 19th century, branching out into a variety of successive movements which are generally grouped under the term Post-Impressionism.

1841-1919, Pierre-Auguste Renoir, French Impressionist Painter

1876, Self Portrait at the Age of Thirty-Five, oil on canvas http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4283

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2005/42249-1876_Renoir_Self_Portrait_at_the_Age_of_Thirty-Five_500.jpg

1910, Self Portrait, oil on canvas http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=6564

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2005/42249-1910_Renoir_Self_Portrait_500.jpg

1910, Self Portrait with a White Hat, oil on canvas http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=6566

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2005/42249-1910_Renoir_Self_Portrait_with_a_White_Hat_500.jpg

ē Relationships: Father of film director Jean Renoir http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Renoir
Studied under Charles Gleyre, (1808-1874, Swiss Academic Painter) http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/gleyre_charles.html

Pierre-Auguste Renoir http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Auguste_Renoir
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Pierre-Auguste RenoirPierre-Auguste Renoir (February 25, 1841 Ė December 3, 1919) was a French artist who painted in the impressionist style.

The art of Renoir
Renoir's paintings show vibrant light and color, and harmony of lines. Unlike many impressionists who focused on landscapes, he painted not only landscapes, but people in intimate and candid compositions ó sometimes applying paint with a palette knife rather than a brush. Characteristic of impressionism style, Renoir painted not the details of a scene, but instead his figures softly fuse with one another and the surroundings. In his late 1880s paintings the figures and scenery look more distinct from one another, but the paintings of his final years again display the softness.

His initial paintings show the influence of the artistry of EugŤne Delacroix, and of his friend Claude Monet with whom he developed the impressionist style. The influence of Gustave Courbet, …douard Manet and Camille Corot is also seen in his work.

In the late 1860s, obsessed with painting light and water, he and Monet discovered that the color of shadows is not brown or black, but the reflected color of the objects surrounding them.

One of the best known impressionist works is Renoir's 1876 Dance at Le Moulin de la Galette (Le Bal au Moulin de la Galette), which depicts an open-air scene, jammed with people, of a popular dance garden on the Butte Montmartre close to where he lived.

1876, Le Moulin de la Galette, Oil on canvas, 51 5/8 x 68 7/8 in. (131 x 175 cm), Musee d'Orsay, Paris

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2005/42249-1876_Renoir_Le_Moulin_de_la_Galette_500.jpg

A prolific painter, he made several thousand paintings.

The warm sensuality of Renoir's painting made his work some the best known and frequently reproduced work in the history of art.

Biography
Pierre-Auguste Renoir was born in Limoges, Haute-Vienne, France, the child of a working class family. As a boy, he worked in a porcelain factory where his drawing talent led to him painting designs on china. He worked painting hangings for overseas missionaries, and painting on fans before he enrolled in art school. During those years, he often visited the Louvre to study the French master painters.

In 1862 he began studying art under Charles Gleyre in Paris. There he met Alfred Sisley, Frederic Bazille and Claude Monet. At times during the 1860s, he did not have enough money to buy paints.

Although Renoir first exhibited paintings in 1864, recognition did not come for another 10 years due, in part, to the turmoil of the Franco-Prussian War.

During the Paris Commune in 1871, while he painted by the Seine River, a Commune group thought he was spying and they were about to throw him in the river when a Commune leader, Raoul Rigault, recognized Renoir as the man who protected him on an earlier occasion.

In the mid-1870s, he experienced his first acclaim his work hung in the first impressionist exhibition (1874).

While living and working in Montmartre, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmartre Renoir engaged in an affair with his model, Suzanne Valadon, http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/valadon_suzanne.html who became one of the leading female artists of the day. Later, he married Aline Victorine Charigot, and they had three sons, one of whom, Jean Renoir, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Renoir became a filmmaker. After marrying his work changed. He became as interested in painting people as he was in painting landscapes.

In 1881 he traveled to Algeria, a country he associated with EugŤne Delacroix, then to Madrid, Spain to see the work of Diego VelŠzquez, also to Italy to see Titian's masterpieces in Florence, and the paintings of Raphael in Rome. On January 15, 1882 Renoir met composer Richard Wagner at his home in Palermo, Sicily. Renoir painted Wagner's portrait in just 35 minutes.

Renoir painted even during the last 20 years of his life when arthritis severely hampered his movement, and he was wheelchair-bound. In 1907, he moved to the warmer climate of "Les Collettes," a farm at Cagnes-sur-Mer, close to the Mediterranean coast. There, he painted by strapping a brush to his arm, and created sculptures by directing an assistant who worked the clay.

In 1919, Renoir visited the Louvre to see his paintings hanging with the old masters.

Pierre-Auguste Renoir died in the village of Cagnes-sur-Mer, Provence-Alpes-CŰte d'Azur, on December 3, 1919.

Two of Renoir's paintings have sold for more than $70 million. Bal au moulin de la Galette, Montmartre sold for $78.1 million in 1990.

Biography Resource Center © 2001 Gale Group http://www.biography.com/impressionists/artists_renoir.html
Born February 25, 1841, in Limoges, France. Shortly after his birth, his family moved to Paris. Because he showed a remarkable talent for drawing, Renoir became an apprentice in a porcelain factory, where he painted plates. Later, after the factory had gone out of business, he worked for his older brother, decorating fans. Throughout these early years, Renoir made frequent visits to the Louvre, where he studied the art of earlier French masters, particularly those of the 18th century-Antoine Watteau, FranÁois Boucher, and Jean Honorť Fragonard. His deep respect for these artists informed his own painting throughout his career.

During the 1870s, a revolution erupted in French painting. Encouraged by artists like Gustave Courbet and …douard Manet, a number of young painters began to seek alternatives to the traditions of Western painting that had prevailed since the beginning of the Renaissance. These artists went directly to nature for their inspiration and into the actual society of which they were a part. As a result, their works revealed a look of freshness and immediacy that in many ways departed from the look of Old Master painting. The new art, for instance, displayed vibrant light and color instead of the somber browns and blacks that had dominated previous painting. These qualities, among others, signaled the beginning of modern art.

Early Career
In 1862, Renoir decided to study painting seriously and entered the Atelier Gleyre, where he met Claude Monet, Alfred Sisley, and Jean Frťdťric Bazille. During the next six years, Renoir's art showed the influence of Gustave Courbet and …douard Manet, the two most innovative painters of the 1850s and 1860s. Courbet's influence is especially evident in the bold palette-knife technique of Diane Chasseresse (1867), while Manet's can be seen in the flat tones of Alfred Sisley and His Wife (1868). Still, both paintings reveal a sense of intimacy that is characteristic of Renoir's personal style.

The 1860s were difficult years for Renoir. At times he was too poor to buy paints or canvas, and the Salons of 1866 and 1867 rejected his works. The following year the Salon accepted his painting Lise. He continued to develop his work and to study the paintings of his contemporaries-not only Courbet and Manet, but Camille Corot and EugŤne Delacroix as well. Renoir's indebtedness to Delacroix is apparent in the lush painterliness of the Odalisque (1870).

Renoir and Impressionism
In 1869, Renoir and Monet worked together at La GrenouillŤre, a bathing spot on the Seine. Both artists became obsessed with painting light and water. According to Phoebe Pool (1967), http://cgi.ebay.com/Impressionism-Phoebe-Pool-The-World-of-Art-1979-SC_W0QQitemZ4535068441QQcategoryZ378QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
this was a decisive moment in the development of Impressionism, for "It was there that Renoir and Monet made their discovery that shadows are not brown or black but are coloured by their surroundings, and that the 'local colour' of an object is modified by the light in which it is seen, by reflections from other objects and by contrast with juxtaposed colours."

The styles of Renoir and Monet were virtually identical at this time, an indication of the dedication with which they pursued and shared their new discoveries. During the 1870s, they still occasionally worked together, although their styles generally developed in more personal directions.

In 1874, Renoir participated in the first Impressionist exhibition, along with Monet, Edgar Degas, Alfred Sisley, Camille Pissarro, and Berthe Morisot. His works included The Opera Box (1874),

1874, Renoir, The Theater Box, (La loge), oil on canvas, 31 1-2 x 25 inches. http://sunsite.icm.edu.pl/wm/paint/auth/renoir/loge/

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2005/42249-1874_Renoir_The_Theater_Box_La_loge_500.jpg

a painting which shows the artist's penchant for rich and freely handled figurative expression. Of all the Impressionists, Renoir most consistently and thoroughly adapted the new style-in its inspiration, essentially a landscape style-to the great tradition of figure painting.

Although the Impressionist exhibitions were the targets of much public ridicule during the 1870s, Renoir's patronage gradually increased during the decade. He became a friend of Caillebotte, one of the first patrons of the Impressionists, and he was also backed by the art dealer Durand-Ruel and by collectors like Victor Choquet, the Charpentiers, and the Daidets. The artist's connection with these individuals is documented by a number of handsome portraits, for instance, Madame Charpentier and Her Children (1878).

In the 1870s, Renoir also produced some of his most celebrated Impressionist genre scenes, including The Swing and The Ball at the Moulin de la Galette (both 1876). These works embody his most basic attitudes about art and life. They show men and women together, openly and casually enjoying a society diffused with warm, radiant sunlight. Figures blend softly into one another and into their surrounding space. Such worlds are pleasurable, sensuous, and generously endowed with human feeling.

Renoir's "Dry" Period
During the 1880s, Renoir gradually separated himself from the other Impressionists, largely because he became dissatisfied with the direction the new style was taking in his own hands. In paintings like The Luncheon of the Boating Party (1881), he felt that his style was becoming too loose, that forms were losing their distinctiveness and sense of mass. As a result, he looked to the past for a fresh inspiration. In 1881, he traveled to Italy and was particularly impressed by the art of Raphael.

During the next six years, Renoir's paintings became increasingly dry: he began to draw in a tight, classical manner, carefully outlining his figures in an effort to give them plastic clarity. The works from this period, such as The Umbrellas (1883) and Les grandes baigneuses (1884-1887), are generally considered the least successful of Renoir's mature expressions. Their classicizing effort seems self-conscious, a contradiction to the warm sensuality that came naturally to him.

Late Career
By the end of the 1880s, Renoir had passed through his dry period. His late work is truly extraordinary: a glorious outpouring of monumental nude figures, beautiful young girls, and lush landscapes. Examples of this style include The Music Lesson (1891), Young Girl Reading (1892), and Sleeping Bather (1897). In many ways, the generosity of feeling in these paintings expands upon the achievements of his great work in the 1870s.

Renoir's health declined severely in his later years. In 1903, he suffered his first attack of rheumatoid arthritis and settled for the winter at Cagnes-sur-Mer. By this time he faced no financial problems, but the arthritis made painting painful and often impossible. Nevertheless, he continued to work, at times with a brush tied to his crippled hand. Renoir died at Cagnes-sur-Mer on December 3, 1919, but his death was preceded by an experience of supreme triumph: the state had purchased his portrait Madame Georges Charpentier (1877), and he traveled to Paris in August to see it hanging in the Louvre.


Renoir, Clips from a movie about Renior http://www.roland-collection.com/rolandcollection/section/19/411.htm
Renoir's greatest fame came from his association with the French Impressionist painters of the later nineteenth century. The Impressionists captured their immediate surroundings in richly colored, fluently sketched canvases often executed out of doors rather than in the studio. But Renoir's long career encompassed a wide range of styles and there is a world of difference between the ambitious subject pictures he painted in the 1860s and the glowing nudes that he produced in the final years before his death in 1919. This video explores the full range of Renoir's extraordinary talent through detailed photography and an illuminating script by John House, one of the selectors of the Renoir exhibition seen in London, Paris and Boston.
© 1998-2001 The Roland Collection & Pira Intl.


Undated Pastels:
Bather Seated by the Sea, Pastel on paper http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=6950

Bust of a Woman, Pastel on paper http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=6957

Study of a Woman, Pastel on paper, mounted on board http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=7108

Young Girl in a Blue Corset, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=7167


Dated Pastels:

1875, At the Moulin de la Galette, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4257

1875, Portrait of Lucien Daudet , pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4231

1877, Portrait of a Woman. (Portrait de femme). c. 1877. Pastel on paper mounted on cardboard http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir207.html

1877, Portrait of a Young Woman aka Ellen Andree, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4332

1877, Young Woman in a Straw Hat, Pastel on paper, laid down on board http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4333

1878-1880, Head of a Young Woman, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4363

1879, Ellen Andre, pastels, 58.5 x 42.5 cm, 23.03 x 16.73 in. http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=10410

1879, Portrait of a Child, Pastel on paper, laid down on board http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4410

1879, Portrait of a Young Girl aka Elizabeth Maitre, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4365

1879, Seated Woman, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4375

1879, Spring (The Four Seasons), pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4366

1879, Two Women with Umbrellas, Pastel on paper http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir110.html

1879, The Loge, Pastel on paper, laid down on board http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4377

1879-1880, Portrait of a Girl, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4418

1880, Portrait in a Pink Dress, Pastel on paper, laid down on board http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4439

1880, Portrait of a Little Girl, Pastel on paper, laid down on board http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4435

1880-1881, Boating Couple aka Aline Charigot and Renoir, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4446

1881, Portrait of a Woman in a Red Dress, Pastel, pen and black ink and pencil on paper, mounted on board http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4482

1882-1883, Woman with a Blue Blouse ,pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4510

1883, Seated Bather, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4534

1885, Nude Arranging Her Hair, pastel on paper, 60.64 x 47.31 cm, 23.88 x 18.63 in. http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=17733

1885-1890, Nude in an Armchair, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4569

1885-1890, Young Blond Girl, Pastel and pencil on paper, laid down on board http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4568

1887, Paul Charpentier, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4597

1887, Portrait of a Young Girl, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4594

1887, Portrait of Madeleine Adam, Pastel and pencil on paper, mounted on board http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4592

1888, Head of a Child aka Edmond, Pastel on buff paper http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4613

1889-1890, Portrait of Pierre, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=4642

1890, A Girl, pastel http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir121.html

1894, Bathers, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=5908

1895, Portrait of Jean Renoir, Pastel on paper http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=5936

1895, Two Women in a Garden, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=5930

1895, Young Girl Slipping on Her Stockings, pastel, 32 x 37 cm., 12.6 x 14.57 in. http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=10411

1901, Sara Looking to the Right, Pastel and charcoal on paper http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=6328

1902, Jean and Coco (the artist's sons), Pastel on paper, laid down on canvas http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=6333

1904, Coco Holding a Orange, Pastel on paper http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=6349

HarvestMoon
07-31-2005, 09:48 PM
Bruce, Thank you so much for posting this- I loved reading about Renoir and seeing all the wonderful pictures- I had forgotten how much I loved his work! This must have taken you forever to put together...

A Few Pigments
08-01-2005, 04:17 PM
Hi purples and thank you. It only took me about 7 hours over 3 nights to do this thread. Not a lot really. Iím going to pick out one of his pastels to try to copy. Renoir had a unique style I want to learn more about. And Iíd encurage anyone who wants to learn more about Renoirís pastels to try having a go at one or more of Renoirís pastels. Itís a very good way to learn and to gain more experience with pastels.

DLJohnson
08-02-2005, 12:40 PM
Ditto Purples!

That IS a lot of time.

I want to try one too. Did you find anything out about his pastel palette? I have a couple of books, one just came a few days ago, Painting Methods of the Impressionists, Bernard Dunstan. I haven't read it yet, do you have it?

These are my faves from your links (thanks!)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Aug-2005/7846-Boating_Couple_aka_Aline_Charigot_and_Renoir_sm.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Aug-2005/7846-Two_Women_in_a_Garden_1895_sm.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Aug-2005/7846-Portrait_of_Madeleine_Adam_1887_sm.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Aug-2005/7846-Portrait_of_a_Woman_in_a_Red_Dress_1881_sm.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Aug-2005/7846-The_Loge_1889_sm.jpg

DLJohnson
08-02-2005, 01:47 PM
Here is what I found out

The book does not acknowledge that he even used pastels. His notebook is photographed and the following is from his early years

Silver White (flake)
Chrome Yellow*
Naples Yellow
Ochre
Raw Sienna
Vermilion
Madder Red
Veronese Green (emerald)
Viridian
Colbalt
Ultramarine

"He omits black from this list. Later, however, after his trip to Italy, he called it the queen of colors; as we have seen, it was used a good deal in his earlier work."

"His son, Jean Renoir remembers seeing the palette for the large Bathers"

Flake White
Naples Yellow
Yellow Ochre
Raw Sienna
Red Ochre
Madder Red
Terre Verte
Veronese Green
Colbalt
Ivory Black

*JR comments that his father's choice of colors was invariable. He never saw him use Chrome Yellow.

So, I think just because it was written in the notebook doesn't mean it was HIS palette. I have a notebook of others' palettes, don't you? LOL

I figure his pastel palette was very similar. Which is easy to figure out unless you only have pastels that don't identify pigments. There oughta be a law....I am one of those people who likes knowing what pigments I am using. I love Great American's names but want #s listed.

There is info on his love of black and it's proper use, tres interesting!

It is a very interesting book also (thanks Barb!) even if the focus swings toward oils.

Donna

A Few Pigments
08-02-2005, 11:33 PM
Hi Donna, I donít have the book you mentioned, but I found two on the web, which have some information in them about his pastels. I havenít purchased them so havenít read them yet. Unfortunately there is a dearth of information on the web about the palettes used by famous artists. I hope my threads, if even in just a small way, will help correct that oversight. Both from my efforts, and the efforts of the other members who participate in these threads.

Books containing information about Renoirís pastel paintings:
Pierre-Auguste Renoir - Paintings, Pastels and Drawings, by A. Vollard, Hardcover: 400 pages
Publisher: Alan Wofsy Fine Arts (September 1, 1989)
Language: English
ISBN: 1556600410
Product Dimensions: 1.2 x 9.5 x 12.5 inches
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556600410/yahoobook2-20/ref%3Dnosim/104-4499554-8235957

Auguste Renoir: Watercolors and Pastels.
Author: Francois Daulte
Artist: PIERRE AUGUSTE RENOIR
Publisher: Abrams, NY,
Date: 1959.
http://www.oldprintshop.com/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?action=browse&creator_id=8294

Thank you very much for posting the information about his oil palette. In Renoirís day art supply companies generally, as they do today, used the same pigments for pastels as they did for paint. One could, with reasonable assurance therefore, assume, that Renoirís pastel palette was very much like his oil palette: i.e., contained the same pigments.

I decided to try doing this pastel by Renoir:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2005/42249-1894_Renoir_Bathers_THUM.jpg

1894, Bathers, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=5908

Iíve already measured the paper and will post my start tomorrow.

Thank you for joining us this month Donna. Iím looking forward to seeing your work.

jackiesimmonds
08-03-2005, 01:51 AM
How incredibly generous of you to spend so much time on this article/information, Bruce. And how enlightening. I did not even know, to my shame, that Renoir painted with pastels. I have Dunstant's book, he is a good writer, but have not read it cover to cover, I just dip in and out.

thanks again
Jackie

A Few Pigments
08-03-2005, 02:29 AM
Thank you Jackie. Iím enjoying doing this research. When I become interested in something I try to learn as much as I can about it. Usually it only benefits me, but being a member of WC I want to share what I learn with the other members so they can benefit from it as well. And I know Iíll learn a lot from them too, so everyone benefits. Canít be bad. Thank you for dropping by.

Ruth Grinstead
08-03-2005, 04:44 AM
Thank you, Bruce, for all your hard work.

I must confess I didn't know Renoir had used pastel either,

Ruth

A Few Pigments
08-03-2005, 11:12 PM
Ta very much Ruth. Itís true no matter how much we learn thereís always more to learn. It gives us all something to do on the weekends I guessÖlol


Iíve been very busy the last two days so Iím running a little behind on getting this started.

I dicided to try doing this pastel by Renoir. 1894, Bathers, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=5908

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Aug-2005/42249-1894_Renoir_Bathers_Pas_500.jpg

This is my start. 17 1/2 x 20 inches on the smooth side of Canson mi-teintes paper. Iím still getting things blocked in sort of. I think I could have picked a better colour paper, but Iím a bit short on pastel paper right now. I have to scan my work so it has some lines it shouldnít have. C&C welcome.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Aug-2005/42249-My_1894_Renoir_Bathers_500_001.jpg

eagle owl
08-05-2005, 06:23 AM
Hi Bruce

Thank you so much for all of this info on one of my favorite painters. I also hadn't realised that Renoir painted in pastels. I absolutely love his portraits of women - so delicate and mysterious. I've reserved a copy of Daulte's book from my local library and I just have to try copying one of his portraits..

Carol

A Few Pigments
08-05-2005, 03:29 PM
Hi Carol,
Thank you for participating this month. Renoir did have a way with painting women. Iím looking forward to seeing your work.

A Few Pigments
08-05-2005, 07:27 PM
I have a question for the members of the pastel forum. Iím not very experienced with pastels and I know there are members who have tons of experience with them, so how would you describe Renoirís style? Would you say he had a loose style or would you say his pastels look more like oil paintings? To me, his style seems to be about half way between the two.

A Few Pigments
08-06-2005, 01:34 AM
Work on this is a bit slow. The more I look the more I see and itís slowing me down. C & C welcome.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/42249-My_1894_Renoir_Bathers_500_002.jpg

DLJohnson
08-06-2005, 10:38 AM
Hi, just checking in.

Nice start on the Bathers. I can't wait to see more. I am afraid I am no help with the pastels, too new. I think it may be important to get the darkest parts in early on, and maybe to work a little darker at first. I hope Jackie comes back as she knows all the stuff.

I would have to agree with you about Renoir's style, rather loose. I have seen highly detailed, realistic pastel paintings so I think of his style as being between that and some extremely loose painters.

I think the color of the paper is in your favor. It's nice and warm and adds a good feeling to the Bathers. Anything else might be too cold, brrrrr.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/7846-grinnin.gif

Donna

eagle owl
08-06-2005, 12:05 PM
Hi Bruce

I may be able to help as I use pastels. There are various ways of attacking a pastel painting and basically it's down to personal preference. If I'm correct you have worked in oils so I would suggest that you tackle it the way you usually do oil painting. If that's not helpful :confused: you could try the following: concentrate on blocking in the mid values and gradually with each subsequent layer put in more detail also bringing in your darks and lights. Put in highlights last. If you run out of tooth on the paper try spraying with fixative if you have some. Otherwise borrow hair spray from someone :) . White bread rolled into a ball will remove pastel really well.

If yu need any further help just yell.

Carol

PS good start so far.

A Few Pigments
08-06-2005, 03:34 PM
Hi Carol, yes, oil is the medium I use most followed now by pastels, acrylics and watercolours. Iím very interested in pastels and want to learn more about them. On this painting Iíve been working light to dark and just using pastel strokes, Not blending with my fingers at all. Iím trying to work from the top left corner to the bottom right corner, although Iíve been skipping around a bit. Although, I find it very difficult to skip and paint at the same timeÖjust kidding. :)

I would never have thought of using bread as an eraser. Iím glad to see thereís at least some dough in pastels. I just hope no one thinks Iím loafing. :wink2:


Hi Donna, thank you for your comments. Iím always hesitant to go to dark early on. I agree his style is rather loose. It seems to be the same in most of his oil painting. Most of the impressions seem to have been very influenced by pastels. :)

A Few Pigments
08-06-2005, 03:38 PM
Quotes by and about Renoirís work:
http://painting.about.com/library/biographies/blartistquotesimpressionists.htm
"Try to explain to Monsieur Renoir that a woman's torso is not a mass of decomposing flesh with those purplish green stains with denote a state of complete putrefaction in a corpse."
Albert Wolf on Renoir's Nude in Sunlight.

"There was a half-length nude picture of a girl. How the rotund fresh breasts palpitate in the light. Such a glorious glow of whiteness was never observed before."
George Moore on Renoir's Nude in Sunlight.

"Young people today who prefer the later works of Degas and Renoir hardly realize how much of its looser character was due to their failing sight."
William Rothenstein.

"There isn't a single person or landscape or subject which doesn't possess some interest, although it may not be immediately apparent. When a painter discovers this hidden treasure, other people are immediately struck by its beauty. "
Pierre Auguste Renoir

http://painting.about.com/od/famouspainters/a/quotes_creative.htm
"When I've painted a woman's bottom so that I want to touch it, then [the painting] is finished."
Pierre Auguste Renoir (1841--1919).

ďIf [dabbling in art] didnít amuse me, I beg you to believe that I wouldnít do it.Ē
Renoir

http://www.humanitiesweb.org/human.php?s=g&p=c&a=s&ID=40
"Every year I send in two portraits, however small. The entry is entirely of a commerical nature. Anyway, it's like some medicine - if it does you no good, it will do you no harm. "
Pierre-Auguste Renoir - on the Salon


I found these additional pastels by Renoir. If I find anymore Iíll post them.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/42249-1883_Renoir_Reading_Children_THUM.jpg

1883 Reading Children, Pastel on paper. http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir116.html

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/42249-1884_Renoir_The_Bathers_THUM.jpg

1884, The Bathers, Pastel on paper. http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir118.html

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/42249-c1885_Renoir_Portrait_of_a_Woman_Black_white_chalk_THUM.jpg

c.1885, Portrait of a Woman, Black and white chalk and sanguine on paper. http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir84.html

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/42249-1885-1890_Renoir_A_Girl_THUM.jpg

1885-1890, A Girl, Pastel on paper. http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir119.html

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/42249-1892-1894_Renoir_Gabrielle_with_Renoirs_Children_THUM.jpg

1892-1894, Gabrielle with Renoir's Children, Pastel on paper. http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir123.html

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/42249-1894_Renoir_The_Bather_THUM.jpg

1894, The Bather, Pastel on paper. http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir124.html

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/42249-1894_Renoir_The_Bathing_THUM.jpg

1894, The Bathing, Pastel on paper. http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir125.html


This site has wallpapers of 15 of Renoirís oil paintings from 640 X 480 to 1600 X 1200.
Rasiel's Wallpapers http://www.rasiel.com/haggis/renoir1.html

eagle owl
08-11-2005, 11:37 AM
Hi Bruce

At yeast you've got a sense of humour! You need one trying to earn a crust as an artist. I'm on a roll here :)

Thanks for the pastel links; just about to search some out to pick one to copy.

carol

A Few Pigments
08-11-2005, 05:15 PM
Hi Carol, Iím looking forward to seeing your work. I do have a sense of humor, but I usually try to be serious online. My mother is half Irish and half British and my father was Norwegian. With a combination like that one quickly develops a sense of humor. :)

A Few Pigments
08-15-2005, 09:36 PM
Iím happy with the way this is shaping up. I bought a set of 24 pastels so I could add lavender and purple to this painting. C & C welcome.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Aug-2005/42249-My_1894_Renoir_Bathers_500_003.jpg

DLJohnson
08-17-2005, 09:58 PM
You guys are too funny! http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Aug-2005/7846-rofl.gif

I like it Bruce, it looks really good. I think your paper color choice brings it together by adding the warmth of a sunny day. It looks so very close to the original. You have done a great job with this. The Renoir is a bit darker tho. I am not a big fixative user (hairspray is a good tip) but can't help wondering if you sprayed this very lightly it would go darker and look almost identical to the master. You may have to let it dry and go back in with the lights. What do you think Carol?

I have been known to buy sets for no reason. I realized very recently that I have a reputation.

How do you like pastels?

Donna

A Few Pigments
08-17-2005, 11:34 PM
Hi Donna, ta for dropping by. In regard to the original and how dark or light it might be. Whilst looking for pastels by Renoir I found two digital copies of this painting. As you can see one is lighter than the other and there is a colour shift. Iím using the darker one as reference for my painting.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2005/42249-1894_Renoir_Bathers_THUM.jpg

1894, Bathers, pastel http://www.the-athenaeum.org/art/detail.php?ID=5908

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Aug-2005/42249-1894_Renoir_The_Bathing_THUM.jpg

1894, The Bathing, Pastel on paper. http://www.abcgallery.com/R/renoir/renoir125.html

I donít know which digital photo is the most faithful to the original painting. dcorc/Dave made some comments in the Classical Forum about the unreliability of digital photos on the web in regard to using them for copies. He could give you more in depth information on this issue. I rather suspect the digital copy Iím working from is darker than the original painting.

In regard to fixatives, I spray my pastel paintings at the end of each session with a workable fixative made by Krylon. After the pastel is finished I use a non-workable fixative made by the same company.

A Few Pigments
09-03-2005, 12:11 AM
My progress so far. Life has kept me busy with everyday matters of late hence Iíve had less time for painting. I will finish this as soon as I can, but things donít bode will for a quick completion. Iíve found myself using the side of the pastel sticks much more than usual on this painting. I fancy Renoir must have employed the same technique. I donít know what kind of paper Renoir used, but I wonder if it might have had more tooth then what Iím using.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Sep-2005/42249-My_1894_Renoir_Bathers_500_004.jpg

A Few Pigments
11-09-2005, 12:00 AM
I canít believe I havenít worked on this since 09/03/05. I feel like Iíve been through a war with this oneÖcor blimey! I donít understand how Renoir got all these bits of white everywhere. C&c welcome.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Nov-2005/42249-My_1894_Renoir_Bathers_500_005.jpg