Classy Glass Class

[Anita Murphy]

May I join in too or is this just for regular CPers?

Edit - oh didn't realise this had been going on so long, she says backing out the door.

[Weezy]

Anita, regular CPers??? As opposed to irregular CPers??? :confused:

I dont' know, I eat my fiber every day! :wink2: :evil:

Don't back away, this thread has been the greatest. Please do take part. We are just doing glass in CP in this thread. Newbies and longer attending CPers alike. We are all learning about things glassy that go crash off the counter. (Don't ask).

Her Shinyness Wendy leads the troup and we have had such fun! So jump on in. This one is open ended and no prerequisite is required. Go to message one and read the three rules. I'd say the last rule (Karen's rule) is the most important one. :D :wave:

[AuntBe1]

Thank you JoAnn and Miesie! :wave:
Weezy, Thanks! I'll post as soon as I make enough progress that would be of any interest. (Is there a snail smilie?) :) It's just very painful for me to sit and draw, which is very frustrating. I've even tried laying down but that's worse. Looks like I may end up in physical therapy. Will know more after the MRI. Just keeping my fingers crossed that surgery won't be needed. :( I'd keep my chin up, but it hurts. :p
Trudette, I really don't know how to answer that. :confused: When I sit down to draw it's as if the subject tells me how to approach it, right or wrong. :p I just draw what I see. :D I'll know if it was the right way to do it when I'm finished. :p
Anita, Please don't back out! This is so much fun and it's educational. :) How can you pass that up! :D You'll probably finish before I do!!!
This is a great thread! The artwork is fanatastic!
Belinda

Sorry, just excited about the new smilies. :cool: :p

[evansd]

AuntBe1,
wonderful picture,it looks so real,love the colours.

Here is an update for Saphire & Steel,i'm struggling with the saphire to make it look realistic,it's slowly getting away from me.
I thought i would add a shadow behind the chain and the saphire but i am also contemplating putting something else in the picture, maybe some orange silk what do you think.

Dave.

[Chisaii]

I'm definitely in!! Gee, so many pictures...so little time. :confused: As soon as I make up my mind and get busy, I'll send a WIP for C&C.

Can't wait to get started.

Chisaii
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www.chisaiistudio.com

[AuntBe1]

Dave, Your painting is really nice! I love the idea of orange silk, but wouldn't that change the color of your reflections?
Belinda

[Weezy]

Leslie, we're happy to have you on board! There is no end time.....this thread will just die when everybody is sick of doing the pictures. We've had some really nice pieces come out of this thread.

Some are in your face, others are soft and mellow. So any approach seems to work. Its a good place to show your individual style. Its especially gratifying to see how the same subject matter gets treated so differently by different artists.

So have at it! :wave: :D

[Katherine T]

Actually I think this thread will be heading off to the CP Library when people have stopped posting new work!

[Weezy]

Sounds like a fitting place for a thread that has taught so much to so many.

This has been a wonderful example of a community experience. Thanks to all participants and there are still some of you hopefully feverishly working on your glassy bits. Go ahead and post even the beginnings. And if anyone else wants to do another, have at it.

I'm toying with the idea of trying one a little less illustrative and more painterly, which would mean a style change. Ha anybody tried doing glass in more ways than one? I mean your normal style and then maybe a departure?

[TxAggieDarlin]

mmmmmmm Maybe this will get me moving to finish that darn glass bluebird...

[evansd]

Here's my latest update,i'm really using this as a learning piece(like all my pieces really) i thought i would add a light violet bg dont know if this works or not,any thoughts.
Still working on saphire,i added the violet bg because i thought it just needed another colour and like Auntbe said i would have to incorparate those colours in the reflections but it's to late to get anything to different in now.

Cheers,Dave. :evil:

[lynn1]

This looks wonderful Dave.

If you need a home for it....saphire is my birthstone ;)

[bsnowden]

Hi Dave,
I've been watching the progress of this piece. It's looking good.I really like the violet.

Bernice

[Meisie]

The sapphire is looing good Dave...

Meisie

[joannd]

Hi Dave,
I've been watching the progress of this piece. It's looking good.I really like the violet.

Bernice

OH YES!!
JoAnn

[Weezy]

This is so much nicer than before, but, (dreaded but) Dave, I think you need stronger highlights. The added violet brings life to the piece, but if you could get back some more sharp-edged, crisp whites, it would look more crystal-like. :rolleyes: Sorry.

What does Her Shinyness say? :cool:

[Chisaii]

Must admit, glass is not something I do much of, but here's my beginning attempts. :confused:

5x7
Strathmore pastel paper 80 lb.
light green tone
Bruynzell CPs
about 4 hrs total so far

[ams]

Chisaii,

This is looking good so far. I like how you are putting in the reflections on the glass. It makes it solid but transparent at the same time. Nicely done.

Anne

[Katherine T]

Oh goodie - somebody who's using a different brand of CPs - how do you find the Bruynzeels? What are they like - and if you've used them a lot, could you post a review in the coloured pencils products review. I've asked them to add a Bruynzeel vendor item to the range of products available - hopefully should come through by the time you're back from vacation (Kerri will still have a few other priorities post server shutdown and changeover).

Do you like working on thinner paper? I don't think I'd be too happy working on paper which was only 80lb.

I like what you're doing with the glass - very nice. I'm looking forward to seeing this one progress.

[trudette]

Hi Chisaii,
Looks amazing so far, looking forward to your next posting.

Here's another update of mine;
Don't know how to make the glass realy shiny and the apple seemed flat on the shadowside .
What am I doing wrong ?

[Katherine T]

At a rough guess - and without putting it into greyscale - I'd say values. Try comparing the original image and your WIP in greyscale.

Do you know how to do that?

[trudette]

At a rough guess - and without putting it into greyscale - I'd say values. Try comparing the original image and your WIP in greyscale.

Do you know how to do that?

Thanks , this is a very good tip !
I 've put both pictures into greyscale and as you can see , I really need to work on it .

[Katherine T]

Thought so ;)

There's a very large medium value in there which you haven't really tackled yet - called "background"! :D Don't underestimate the extent to which lights won't show up unless you get the middle values in as well as the darks.

[bsnowden]

Hi Chisali and Trudette.
Two very nice pieces!
Bernice

[Irene Prior]

Ok, here's my attempt at the lemons in crystal. I used mi-tientes slate blue paper and didn't realize until after I started to add colors that I used the bumpy side.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jun-2005/31201-lemons-In-Glass-Crystal0001.jpg

C & C welcome

Irene

[Chisaii]

Thanks all, I appreciate the feedback. Please feel free to C&C at any time.

Katherine, I haven't used Bruynzeels much at all. Thought I'd dust 'em off and use them as a change of pace from Prismas. I find the Bruynzeels to be a bit harder--like a "softer" Verithin, but they tend to blend extremely easier and smoother than, say, Prismas. Don't have as much of a bloom so far which is nice. Don't know that I've used them enough to give an objective opinion yet, but will keep you posted. 80 lb. is, uh, well, it's not illustration board! Too thin, but thought it would be fun to try something different. Not my recommendation to anyone, unless you use pastels.

Trudette, I like what you're doing and love the little area to the right of the glass on the table. Don't worry about making the glass shiny, as you work with your values, that will work itself out.

Irene, very nice piece! The only thing I see is the bottom of the bowl is not proportioned correctly.

Gee, since I was up until 3a. here's an update.

Chisaii

[bsnowden]

Beautiful Chisaii!
Bernice

[Weezy]

Brava Irene and Chisaii!!! Way to go! And neither of you ever did glass before? Wow. Irene yours is very soft and pretty. The lemons look wonderful. I think you need a little more darkeness and sharp highlights in your glass,....but what does Wendy say?

Chisaii, I really like the way you changed the tone of the reflection of the glass. The touch of warmer color brings home the fact that it is a reflection. Nice touch.

Gotta go and dish up dinner, the crowd is getting restless.

Keep it up, both of you. There's a whole lot of great work going on here. :wave: :D

[joannd]

:clap: Trudette, Irene and Chisaii, I love them all! :clap: :clap:
JoAnn

[Weezy]

Whoa, Trudette, I didn't mean to overlook yours......I am such a dunce sometimes. I really like your glass and apple. It's hard to combine surfaces that are so different. You seem to be having no problem though.

I think you need to establish stronger darks in the glass. At least that is the thing that strikes me as needing emphasis. But you know Wendy is the arbiter of gloss and glass. So I guess she's the one who could give you a definitive direction. I like the piece, but wonder a bit about the composition. Twos are difficult to deal with. ....what do you think?

[catchlight]

Oh my goodness, I go away for 3 days and come back to all this new and wonderful stuff! You guys have clearly been busy!

Chisaii, wow, what a debut into this forum! Well almost debut anyway! I really love the way you've done this, it's beautiful and I'm all inspired to go have a try at this photo too, I haven't done it myself yet, just took the photo! Really interesting to hear about Bruynzeel's too, altho I'm sure that's yet another brand I won't be able to find in NZ!

Irene, I think that looks great, that rough side of the MT sucks doesn't it? All I'd suggest is perhaps a bit of shadow around the base to anchor it but I think you did great :) It's very obviously glass and very obviously cut crystal so you've done great! :)

AuntBe1, crikey girl, I'm gonna have to have another go at my purple bottles now, that looks so fabulous!

Trudette, I think your glass and apple look really good. I love the touch of the little waterdrop on top of the apple too! I agree with Katherine, I think if you tackle those middle values as well as sharpening up a few of the darks, while leaving the whites as in tact as possible, the shine will take care of itself (don't ask much do we?! :)). I really love what you've done with the shadow too.

Dave, I really love that sapphire and I've enjoyed watching you do it! I love the shadows that you've done for it too and I think the background colour works really well too. I think you're doing well with the gleamy transparency of the sapphire too, it must be very hard to do using the actual sapphire as a model when it will change so often. I was going to suggest, and I forgot to check in your last update to see if you'd already done this, but perhaps if you made one of the facets, probably one towards the middle on the side of your light source, white, or at least layer as much white over your blue as possible? I was looking at my engagement ring (which is peridot so the wrong colour!) facets and noticed how one is always almost white on the side facing the light source. A little like a catchlight in an eye. You might have already done that, I can't remember from your latest update so forgive me if so! :)

Wonderful work everyone!

[evansd]

catchlight,Weezy
hers my latest update ,i do agree with you on the white bits,this seems to have got away from me some what,i keep adding white and then i go and add more blue and its all turning out the same colour,have a look and let me know if i need to go whiter some where.

Cheers to everyone for the advice and comments,and well done to everyone on fantastic drawings,great thread.

Dave. :wave:

[Irene Prior]

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jun-2005/31201-Lemons_in_Crystal_Part_2.jpg

Here is an update on my bowl of lemons. Even though I used the wrong side of the paper with all the bumps, I like the effect it has...makes the wall appear like wallpaper :p

Anyway thanks for looking and Comments.

Irene

[Weezy]

Oh, Irene you are right. Its very nice and the texture works well with the wall. The effect is one that unifies the piece. And it isn't near as noticable on the lemons. Did you use heavier pressure there, or was it sharper points?

[Irene Prior]

Weezy...I used a combination of sharp points and a light pressure on the back wall. On the lemons I pressed harder and applied several layers of various colors.

Thanks for looking.

Irene

[trudette]

Irene , I like your bowl of lemons .
The texture makes it even more intresting .Very nice .
:wave: trudette

[trudette]

Hi, evansd
Your 's is a very intresting piece.
I'd say you could ad more white . but saying this I don't know how you can ad white on the dark blue?
:wave: trudette

[BKWYRM]

Irene, that's a cool use of the paper. Definitely looks "wallpapery". Nice depth of color on the lemons.

Dave, I do think you need some judicious highlights, but I can't tell you where!

[catchlight]

Irene I like that wallpaper effect too :D Duh, there I was telling you to add shadow, when you hadn't finished what a wally I am :)

Dave, I like it, I don't think you have to do any more if you don't want to, I can see the sparkle and I like the sapphire a lot. I love the steel too :) You could take those whiter facets to absolute white or much whiter if you wanted to but I think you can get away with what you've done too :)

[AuntBe1]

We're all learning so much. I'd like to do another one if I get the time, and if I ever completely finish this one! I still have to do the shadow but, unless someone points out something that I've missed, I think I'm done with the bottle. Here goes!
Belinda

[lynn1]

Gorgeous Belinda :clap: :clap: :clap:

[bsnowden]

Wow Belinda!

Bernice

[catchlight]

Anything you've missed? Surely you jest! I think it's fantastic. If I utterly had to find something to adjust a little, I'd add a bit more white to that reflected side on the side of the bottle and up the neck to emphasize the glare a little, but that's entirely up to you because what you've done is fantastic. I can't wait to see the shadow! Wow!

[Irene Prior]

Thanks trudette,Kathy, and Wendy for such kind comments. This project was easier than I initially expected. Can't wait to see what other projects people will propose. Thanks again.

Irene

[Meisie]

well done Belinda!

Meisie

[trudette]

I like the piece, but wonder a bit about the composition. Twos are difficult to deal with. ....what do you think?

Normaly I go for odd numbers too. This composition just hapenend to me because it stood on the table next to me and it appealed to me because of the combination of the two things -apple-water --> very healthy . :D
Now I am stuck with this composition but it does not really bother me.

[evansd]

Thanks everyone for the advice and comments,there are so many good pictures here,but most important thing is that everyone is learning and hopefully enjoying it as they go along.
Great job everyone.

Cheers,Dave. :wave:

[AuntBe1]

Dave, It looks great! Now, what kind of frame to use..... lol
Trudette, I just love it! Your style is different. It puts me in mind of a painted B&W photo. The bg is terrific!
Thank you Meisie, Bernice, and Lynn. Very kind of you to say.
Her Shinyness! I am honored. I think you're right. No white/white area, just more reflection? I see how that would make it better, once it's pointed out to me. lol (That's what we're here for!!!) Sometimes when I'm done, I don't seem to look at the painting as a whole and miss things like that. I'm still looking at the pieces of the picture. lol I really liked how the bottle wasn't perfect and straight. It made the experience more interesting. I still don't feel that I got the transparent qualities that your blue glass in your sig has. Can you tell me what I've missed? I realize that the bottle is darker, but it still seems as if it should be a bit more transparent.
Thanks!
Belinda

[bsnowden]

Hi Trudette,
Just wanted to say that the composition seems okay to me. The diagonal lines of the objects, plus the balance (large/small, dark,light) seems to work. If you had two objects of equal intensity in a stright line, it wouldn't have the same effect. Also, on my screen, the apple is closer to the edge, making me focus on the glass. I like this a lot.
Bernice

[Katydidit]

Your royal personage(s):
You lured out of the lurking mode by all this glass. I had to give it a try.

I thought it was going well…. until I made a dumb mistake. (Not my first or last) I was using a piece of cardboard and did not pad it. I now have an un-requested frottage. :eek:

Is there a solution, or is off with her head? :confused:

If there is a way to go on are there other glaring problems? I was going to finish the laying in the shadow, burnish, and reapply colors until I was satisfied.

[Katydidit]

Sorry should have told you 2 is closer to the true colors, but they are so deep I lightened 1 so you could see the impressions.
Thanks for any help from the group.

[bsnowden]

Hi Kay,
The same thing happened to me in an earlier drawing, except that I wasn't too far along and was able to correct it by going over it again. I don't know how much colour you already have down because the "frottage" doesn't really show up on my screen. What you have there is really lovely. It looks like crackled glass. I'd try to fix it before tossing it or just leave it.
Bernice

[Katydidit]

I will try adding more color before I burnish. I was afraid more might darken the stripes.

[Katherine T]

We're all learning so much. I'd like to do another one if I get the time, and if I ever completely finish this one! I still have to do the shadow but, unless someone points out something that I've missed, I think I'm done with the bottle. Here goes!
BelindaBelinda - why should we be surprised that your first glass piece is RED? Surpise - we're not!

Really well done :clap: :clap: :clap: - don't know how you did it without including the shadow - but each to his or her own!

[catchlight]

Irene - it IS so much easier than you expect isn't it? That's the beauty of it, you can do something everyone is going to think is really hard and it's really not so you can impress them without having to work so hard! :D

Trudette - looking great! You could probably still go a little darker but I think you can really see some glassy sparkle coming out now :)

Dave - beauuutiful :) I think it looks really "gemmy" and fantastic, well done! It definitely looks like a realistic gem to me.

Belinda - I think you're doing pretty darn fine on the transparency thing. All I could suggest would be to burnish it a bit more along the front face of the bottle to really blend those colours into each other, or rather give it a really smooth surface. That front face is the only place that it looks anything less than perfectly transparent to me. Aside from that perhaps a little artistic license could come in handy and just add a smudge of white highlight glare on that front face. I think just a good burnishing would do the trick though, it's the smoothness that gives the illusion of transparency. Here's a pic of my blue bottle (I don't think it's anywhere else on the site except my sig) so you can have a closer look if it helps :) If you have a look at this pic, you can see the that top surface of the bottle looks a bit less transparent than the rest of it and that's because (I think anyway) that there are fewer area's that are just one smooth colour, the same with the front surface of your bottle. Even in the photo it looks less transparent than the rest of it. I love the wiggliness and imperfections of those bottles too, much more interesting isn't it? :)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jun-2005/57873-bottle.jpg

Hi Kay! Thanks for joining in! Okay so here's where I show my denseness, I've never heard of the word frottage before! I'm 'guessing' you mean that you can see the impressions of your lines in the paper? If that's what it is (and it probably isn't) then I fix that sometimes by gently pressing on the back of the paper with a paper tortillon or something similar. Otherwise, ummm, my specialty is glass and shiny stuff *cough cough* :p I think what you've done is coming along well whatever frottage is :D

Katherine - hehe I do it a similar way to Bel, and I can never work out HOW other people do it by doing the whole thing at the same time, I'd get all confuzzled! It's funny how different things still end up with the final result working. All roads lead to Rome I guess! (or Venice!)

[AuntBe1]

Katherine, I feel the same as Wendy. For some reason, I can't do the whole thing first either. Don't know why exactly.
Red, yes, red. Didn't you hear, I'm the Red Queen. :p Actually Weezy picked the bottle out for me. I'm glad that she did, I couldn't choose and figured that the red bottle was just too obvious a choice for me to make. :evil: :D

Thanks Wendy! I can't get over that bottle of yours. It's amazing!
Tell me, how do you burnish? What tools to you use? :confused: I don't want to use a white pencil and the layers are thick and a colorless seems to want to take a layer off.
Belinda

[Weezy]

Wendy.....frottage (Fr.) from the verb 'frotter', to rub. It refers to placing a paper over a textured entity and using a marking implement to do a 'rubbing' of the texture, thereby executing and obtaining a 'frottage'. :D

Are we still doing the glossary thing? Should this one go in there? :confused:

[Katydidit]

Wendy -
You guessed right frottage is the imprssion you get when you go over a textured surface. I did burnish it and it helped. I will turn it over and work on the back to see if I get rid of the rest of lines before I re-do the final colors.

thanks!

[wet]

Wow guys you are ALL doing great! Trudette I wouldn't worry about comp. I mean you where trying to do glass and on top of that you painted water too! I was scrolling down the page to see all of the paintings and saw the blue bottle. I said wow who did that! DUH Her Shinyness. :cool: ;)

[trudette]

Well here's another update. Mayby the last?
Wat do you folks think ?

[Weezy]

Trudette, Lovely , sensitive drawing. Very nice. Now, when do you send this to me??? ( I keep trying, no takers so far.) :wink2: :D

[trudette]

Trudette, Lovely , sensitive drawing. Very nice.
thank you .

Now, when do you send this to me??? ( I keep trying, no takers so far.) :wink2: :D
eh.......I don't know what you mean ........ :rolleyes:

[lynn1]

Excellent job trudette. :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Fleur]

What a brilliant thread!!! I really must try and join in. Hopefully I'm not too late?!
I can't get over the work that's been posted here, and I'm feeling inspired!
Take care
Marie-Dom
PS see you soon I hope!!! :D

[catchlight]

AAAAAH so that's what frottage means :D Now I gets it! *blush*. Is there no end to what you an learn on this site? :D

Bel, I usually burnish using a pencil of almost the same colour just to get it really smooth, or I use a paper tortillion or a tissue or even a bit of toilet tissue :D Just to smooth it all out. Probably the tortillion would be the best in this case because you want to smooth it rather than remove any colour.

Wanda - hehe, I just thought I better jolly well post something glass in this thread or I'd look a bit slack, its from months ago so it's sort of cheating really.

Trudette - I really really love it! I think it's come out brilliantly, you've done so well! I bet you feel all pleased with yourself now! The glass has a gorgeous sparkle about it now :D

[catchlight]

Oh and Fleur, it's never too late to join in, this is going for as long as everyone keeps posting to it so feel quite free to join in! We'll all be nagging you to present us with something now so you better get started :D

[Weezy]

OOOOhhhh, did I hear shiny things, my precious??? :evil: OK, where's the WIP? :cool:

C'mon, Marie-Dom, no fair teasing!!! Now we're going to pester you! And there is no time frame, just whenever people want to try it... and its been a real eye opener for a lot of people, me included. Never did glass before, but I like it now. It's kinda like giving permission to yourself to do a tiny little abstract study in the midst of this very literal piece. Go for it! :clap: :wave:

[Katherine T]

Wendy.....frottage (Fr.) from the verb 'frotter', to rub. It refers to placing a paper over a textured entity and using a marking implement to do a 'rubbing' of the texture, thereby executing and obtaining a 'frottage'. :D

Are we still doing the glossary thing? Should this one go in there? :confused:I have a yellow post it note stuck just below my screen which says CP Glossary - but if people don't mind I'm going to come back to that one later given the trials and tribulations with the site at the moment. Besides I want to draw - that's one for when I get stumped! And as frottage is a general art term it wouldn't go in our glossary anyway as we're only including those specific to CP (remember we found the Wet Canvas Glossary of Art Terms (http://www.wetcanvas.com/help/question.php?qstId=125)?). Or would it? I notice E to G does not include frottage!

[Meisie]

ooo Trudette! very nice!

Meisie

[Katherine T]

Well here's another update. Mayby the last?
Wat do you folks think ?Trudette - nice, but look at the colour of the shadows inside the glass, they're darker than you've got them at the moment. Have you done a greyscale comparison? Also is it a conscious decision to keep the glass on the blue side - as I'd expect more of the colour of the background to come through into the glass ie what we see through the glass - and that's not really working at the moment. Sorry to be critical (hopefully constructively?) just as you think you're so very nearly "there" - you've done a super piece anyway - finish whenever you want to!

Super apple - very crunchy! I do like that drop of water on the top. :clap::clap:

[BKWYRM]

Nice job, Trudette!

[evansd]

Trudette well done, youve created a very good drawing here and learnt as well,bonus!

Dave.

[Meisie]

I think I'm done...this is as much as the paper will take...in some areas it started to lift...guess I have to be done right? :p

C & C welcome....any ideas for a title? I' hoping/planning to enter it into a local juried show....am I crazy? :)

This was enormous fun...I'm definately going to do more glass....can't belive I said it! :eek: :D

Meisie

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jun-2005/24673-lemons5.jpg

[Weezy]

We have another winner! I would bet on this one Meisie! Wow , gal, have you ever done a gorgeous job on this one....let us know when you pick up your prize! :clap: :clap: :wave: :D

[AuntBe1]

Meisie, This is just gorgeous! Sharp, clean, and bright. I can almost smell the lemons! The glass is perfectly done! Congratulations!!!!! :clap:
By all means enter it!!
Belinda

[Katherine T]

Meisie - that's excellent :clap::clap::clap: Now all you need is a nice snappy sounding title for your show.

[trudette]

Well done , Meisie ,this sure is a winner. :clap:
:wave: trudette

[catchlight]

Wow Meisie, it's fantastic! Heck yes, enter it in the show! That's the cool thing about glass, everyones terribly impressed when you get it right so I'd enter it for sure if I were you! I'm utterly hopeless at titles, where's our Maggie when we need her? Producing babies apparently!

[Katydidit]

Burnishing and pressing the back helped but there are still faint stripes. So I didnt waste the time doing the background to show the catch-light. It was fun anyway....and I learned a lesson about using cardboard for a support.

thanks for the hints - Stonehedge natural, Derwents, polychromos, & a couple of prismas

[Katydidit]

[QUOTE=Meisie]
C & C welcome....any ideas for a title? I' hoping/planning to enter it into a local juried show....am I crazy? :) heck no - go for it - it is great


I am no good with names either. The only thing I came up with is Lemon Blues.

[joannd]

:clap: Geesh! I didn't look at this thread for a few days and people start posting FABULOUS stuff! :clap: :clap: :clap: Wonderful work everyone!
JoAnn

[ams]

Meisie, all I can say is WOW. Definately enter it in the show (and WIN!). I'll make a few suggestions for a title. They may not be very good but maybe they will suggest something to someone else. I was thinking of "Lemonade", "Lemonade Kit" or "Lemon Glass".

Kay, the red glass came out pretty well even with the frottage problem. You learned a lot about drawing glass and that was the point this time.

Anne

[lynn1]

Of course enter it. :clap: :clap: :clap:

How about...Lemons in Crystal?

[BKWYRM]

Or "When Life Hands You Lemons...."

Kay, very nice! Consider it one of those life lessons learned, right? ;)

[catchlight]

Ooh I like that title Kathy!

Kay, I think you did a great job and that's whats important, it's all about the learning after all and you learned lots! I really like what you've done :)

[joannd]

Oh Kathy, that's a GREAT title..
Meisie, you'll win for sure.
JoAnn

[Chisaii]

Hi everyone,

Got back in town about 2 hours ago and couldn't believe all of the beautiful pieces that everyone came up with. What a great thread this turned out to be. Everyone has worked so hard and turned out extremely nice pieces.
Welcome to all the people who are involved.

Meisie--Beautiful!! Very striking piece. Go for it, girl.

Kay--looks like everything came together very nicely. No one would ever know about the cardboard because you've done a great job of working it all together.

Trudette--Very well done!! I think both the apple and glass came out beautiful!

Unfortunately, I didn't get to work on my piece very much while we were gone, but here's an update. Hope to finish it this weekend.

Chisaii

[catchlight]

Chisaii I just love that jar!! You've done it so beautifully, I almost feel guilty keeping coffee in such a subject now hehe. This really is very impressive :)

[Weezy]

This is an amazing thread. What a wonderful bunch of art work. Amazing, oh yeah, I said that.

Having said that, I have a comment on Kay's piece. I love it, except for one thing. Shadows as they become further distanced from the object casting them, become less sharp on their edges. So I think your shadow edges are a tad too sharp. They should slightly diffuse as the shadow progresses away from the base of the bottle. Otherwise I think its really a beautiful piece. I hope you're not upset, but that sharp edge all the way round the shadow is not believable to me. It shouldn't be too hard to smudge some or blur slightly. What do you think?

[Meisie]

:D thank you all for the enthusiasm!! I don't expect much from the exhibit, simply because cp is so unknown...but who knows, right? One's got to start somewhere ;) and when I enter one next time...it'll not be the first one they see :p

I appreciate all the input for titles too! Will think on them a bit...but I am partial to Kathy's ;)

Thanks again for the encouragement...it has been fun and I went from "I don't like glass and don't care to draw it" to saying "I'd love to do more" :clap: That is wonderful!! :D

It is great to see all the other glass projects here too, this is really a nice thread. Cheers to all who are taking part :D

Meisie

[Katydidit]

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Having said that, I have a comment on Kay's piece. I love it, except for one thing. Shadows as they become further distanced from the object casting them, become less sharp on their edges. So I think your shadow edges are a tad too sharp. They should slightly diffuse as the shadow progresses away from the base of the bottle. Otherwise I think its really a beautiful piece. I hope you're not upset, but that sharp edge all the way round the shadow is not believable to me. It shouldn't be too hard to smudge some or blur slightly. What do you think?

No I am not offended - I am new to cp and have never tried glass. c/c is why I posted. Your right about the shadow. I did leave it sharp now that you pointed it out. I had intended doing the background in light tans/browns working over the shadow. That would have dulled it as the reference but not soften it. Now I may have to try one of the others.
thanks

[joannd]

Chisaii, I also love that jar. It makes me want to do one similar. Great job.
JoAnn

[Chisaii]

Thanks everyone, appreciate your kind comments.

Wendy, don't think I ever would have tried a glass project if this hadn't started. Any tips you can provide to improve would be more than appreciated.

I thoroughly enjoyed this project and have, thru the many efforts of so many, picked up several tips that hopefully will help any "glass" pieces in the future.

Better go get busy on the 5 projects currently at hand since I don't want anyone getting upset and calling me bad names or anything.

Look forward to seeing everyone's future projects. :wave:

Ok, here is the finished product. :p C&C welcome.

[bsnowden]

Amazing Chisaii!

Bernice

[joannd]

Amazing Chisaii!

Bernice
What sparkle!
JoAnn

[catchlight]

Honestly Chisaii, I can't think of a thing to tell you, I wish I could and I looked and tried real hard I promise! I think your work is absolutely gorgeous and I wouldn't change anything.

[catchlight]

Chisaii, in absolute and utter desperation to find something I could comment on with your piece I went back and had a look at the reference photo. The ONLY thing I could possibly suggest at all, and believe me it was hard work to find anything!, would be to darken the values a little on the front corners of the jar and around the neck in places. But believe me it's not essential because what you've done is fabbbbbulous :D I just wanted to find something constructive to offer!

[Meisie]

ooo Chisaii, love that jar!!

Meisie

[Katydidit]

Chisaii - love the reflection

[Katydidit]

Weezy - I couldn't leave it alone - had to try to fix that shadow - now it has to be done because it won't take anymore color!

thanks to all for a wonderful thread :clap:

[bsnowden]

It looks wonderful Kay!

Bernice

[Chisaii]

Whoa!! Bernice, Joann, Wendy, Meisie, Kay, I'm flattered beyond description! As I first mentioned, I really haven't done much glass :eek: and this project was so much fun it only makes me feel like tackling another, especially with such talented folks as yourselves to help me along. :wink2:

Will try to participate as much as possible in the future and look forward to a long and very educational journey, with such a great group of new friends. :clap:

Chisaii

[trudette]

Chasisii , you did a wonderfull job .
Kay , it turned out very good afterall. Well done.

[catchlight]

Ooh kay it turned out great! Frottage or no Frottage! (You'd be amazed the situations I've managed to fit that word into over the last few days - I'm really annoying everyone here, my DH is threatening to "frottage you round the head and ears!" if I mention that word one more time.)

Chisaii, you deserve every compliment you got, it's wunnaful :D And yes, do another! Excellent plan! :D I'm glad you're enjoying it here, it's a marvellous forum is it not? You can learn so much, have so much fun and make wonderful new friends while you're at it :D Plus you can tell everyone in the house that you're "working" when you're at the computer because it's art related :) I love that :D

[Weezy]

Wendy, you need to inform DH that he might actually like a 'Frottage session" If he gets the drift! :evil: :D

[Weezy]

Kay this is much better. Congrats my girl! Good job done!

[catchlight]

Wendy, you need to inform DH that he might actually like a 'Frottage session" If he gets the drift! :evil: :D
Teehee if I explain it to him explicitly maybe! I'm pretty sure he's thinking frottage and fromage may be the same thing (can't say the thought didn't cross my mind before I got so edumacated on the subject) :D

[Katherine T]

I appreciate all the input for titles too! Meisie - How about "Citrus Crystal"?

Chisaii - that's a really brilliant piece you've done there. I love the subtle colour modulations. :clap::clap::clap: Sorry I've not commented earlier - this thread is still so busy that I'm finding it works better to come in and do a load of comments at once!

Kay - good for you for not giving up on it and wanting to get it right. :clap::clap: Looking much better.

Wendy - is DH getting it on the 'frottage' front yet? :evil:

[catchlight]

Oooh OOooh I got an idea, what about "Citrine" it's a citrus coloured crystal :D

And Katherine, he'd like to be getting it however he's too busy watching horror movies :D teehee :evil:

[Katydidit]

Thanks to all. I learned how to make a monochromatic stripe if I ever need to, and a little about glass. What more could a girl ask? I even got a bonus - a word to "in-press" everyone with our wit....or at least a groan for the puns.

I appreciate all the help.

[Weezy]

OK Kay enough "punishment' already! :wave: :D

[catchlight]

*chuckle*

[AuntBe1]

Chisaii, Wonderful job. Lot's of colors in a somewhat clear glass! Amazing isn't it? :wave:
Kay, Great job! It's feels great when you don't let the paper/circumstances beat you. lol :clap:
Well, here's my, hopefully, finished piece. Thanks for all of the help. I actually like this one, which is rare for me to like anything I paint/draw. :rolleyes: I even kept my values in check on this one. I'm learning!!!
Well, on to the next project, water or the plein air (sp?) Will decide later. This was fun!
Belinda aka The Red Queen :wink2:

[bsnowden]

It's so-oo beautiful. I love the light in the background too.

[catchlight]

Bel, that's amazing!!! Well done you! It's better than the photographs :) You're right you've done brilliantly on the values, you can see it even in the thumbnail because for me it's showing as black and white and I could see even from that that the values are wonderful :)

Good on you!!! I can't wait to see what you do in the next project! I vote for water! You're on a shiny stuff roll now :D

[Chisaii]

Belinda--that is truly beautiful! Better than the photo!! I bow to you, your redness!

Chisaii

[Katherine T]

Bel - as has already been stated - this one I could tell was going to be ace even before opening the thumbnail simply because it reads so well as a thumbnail. You've nailed it! Excellent - and a really lovely piece.:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Give yourself a great big pat on the back! How about a nice bit of water 'en plein air'? Not sure it comes in red though...........:D

[catchlight]

Ooh Oooh it'd be red in a sunset! You're right about her thumbnail too Katherine, it looks like a little photo, I thought it was the ref shot in sepia or something. You did great Bel :)

[Katherine T]

Ooh Oooh it'd be red in a sunset! In which case I've got just the image! Bel - PM me if you're interested

[trudette]

Hi,Belinda,
You did a wonderful job , absolutely great .
:wave: trudette

[AuntBe1]

Bernice, Chisaii, and Trudette, Thank you so much!! :wave:
Her Shinyness Wendy, Thank you! I was worried about the transparency but it came through in the end. OK Water it is. I hope I don't 'sink' this one. :p
Katherine, Ah ha! Red sunset, There's always a solution! I'd love to see your photo. How generous of you to offer! :D And thank you for your compliments.
I really learned a lot in this thread and can't wait to start another.
Belinda

[Katydidit]

Belinda - ditto all of the above! you did nail it!

[Meisie]

Excellent Belinda!!!

Meisie

[Weezy]

Bingo! Fantastic job Belinda. I am impressed! Its really nice.

For you the challenge should be a sunset with no red in it!!! This no blue thing is too much down your alley to be a real challenge!

Go for it Belinda.......no red, not one????!!! :evil:

[joannd]

Belinda, this is absolutely amazing! :clap: :clap:
JoAnn

[Katherine T]

But Weezy, Bel could do a nice sunset in San Diego........... (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=43979&si=sunset) I mean, it's got blue in it as well!

The photo in the hyperlink is by Redwood and there is another one in the same series for anybody wanting to have a go at wet sand and sunset on waves (http://www.wetcanvas.com/RefLib/showphoto.php?photo=43981&si=sunset)

[AuntBe1]

Kay, Meisie, and JoAnn, Thank you so much!!! :wave: :D
Weezy, No red? Awww........... :crying:
Katherine, The Sunset in San Diego, although a lovely photo, has no point of interest for me. I need something with some detail!! lol I don't think I could put my heart into it. :(
Be

[Fleur]

Chisaii, and Belinda! What wonderful work! Amazing how an ordinary glass object makes a really great picture!!! Both are so glassy and so vibrant! Well done!.
Marie-Dom

[Fleur]

Weezy - I couldn't leave it alone - had to try to fix that shadow - now it has to be done because it won't take anymore color!

thanks to all for a wonderful thread :clap:

Kay, I think this is coming along great!!! I look forward to seeing the completed version.
Marie-Dom :wave:

[Katherine T]

I'm just bumping this one back up the top to remind me to think hard about finding another glass piece to do - because this thread is 33 posts off being the most replied to thread since this forum started - and I can't let Weezy get that close and not get top place (ie most responses ever).

I'd just like to say that I think this thread has been truly amazing for the way in which people have dared to try something most of us would have said was impossible and one for the 'experts' - and most of us have succeeded beyond our wildest dreams! :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

And it also really deserves to have top place for the real sense of community which it has also encouraged. :clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

So I'm off to look for inspiration! ;)

[chocolatyclaire]

I can't believe this thread has had over 7000views, 300+ posts and I haven't seen it ONCE!! :eek: Where the hell have I been??? This is one truly wonderful thread. There is some great work coming out here and its great to see so much glasswork! Keep it up everyone... i'll just sit here and watch happily from the sidelines! :)

[Katherine T]

I can't believe this thread has had over 7000views, 300+ posts and I haven't seen it ONCE!! :eek: Where the hell have I been??? This is one truly wonderful thread. There is some great work coming out here and its great to see so much glasswork! Keep it up everyone... i'll just sit here and watch happily from the sidelines! :)Didn't you have a few exams recently? :p

[catchlight]

HOLY COW?! That many posts! Man you could go all day just reading this! It's been such a fun thread and there's still plenty of time to start your own glass project if you want to guys! Somewhere on my to-do list I still have some glass I'd like to do! So come on guys, lets do some more and make Weezy's thread a real record breaker!

[Weezy]

Don't we have a whodunnit thread going? Some of you could do a glass piece and have it be cross posted in that one as well. I think that might mask a person's style as well....

Thanks for the support all of you! I hadn't realized this was getting so large. WOW ! And all because of her Shininess' willigness to hold court and help us glass defficient po' folks out!

I really enjoyed the glass project...I would like to try a different approach, though. Not such a literal interpretation....back to the photo resources I go...

To quote Arnold, "I'll be back!"

[bsnowden]

I've got some more glass to do too. It's a lot easier than water. LOL. Be back after I get that one done.

[Katherine T]

Don't we have a whodunnit thread going? Some of you could do a glass piece and have it be cross posted in that one as well. I think that might mask a person's style as well....Doesn't that mean that we know who did it - or do you mean they do a glass piece and then post it in here after the competition is over?

So that's a possible for the graduates of the Classy Glass Class.............

I was going to suggest it would be nice to actually set up a proper project and make this the project thread and then we could all go and post our pieces in one place and admire them all together! (You know that bit where it asks you whether you'd like to see all the finished pieces together?) And that would also keep the project live for people who've not tried it before.

[Weezy]

Katherine, that works for me....I simply have never done it and am blissfully ignorant. What's the process?

Do you have to put a limit on it? There seem to be some people who still want to take part and just because the timing's a tad off is no reason in my mind to close the thread. This has been such a fun thread with a real sense of community and fun attached to it. I'd hate for a late comer not be able to participate.

And yes, the glass subjects sort of mask some of our normal styles. So if anyone wanted to stump someone else, glass might be a natural and then the glass pieces could be re-posted here! Sort of like hitting two birds with one stone. :cool:

But, to be able to see the gallery of finished pieces would be a real kick. I'd almost feel we'd have to crack open a bottle of wine, put out the cheese and crackers and have an opening! Do we have to wear those silly berets at this opening? :D

[Katherine T]

Katherine, that works for me....I simply have never done it and am blissfully ignorant. What's the process?

Do you have to put a limit on it? There seem to be some people who still want to take part and just because the timing's a tad off is no reason in my mind to close the thread. This has been such a fun thread with a real sense of community and fun attached to it. I'd hate for a late comer not be able to participate.

But, to be able to see the gallery of finished pieces would be a real kick. I'd almost feel we'd have to crack open a bottle of wine, put out the cheese and crackers and have an opening! :DWell that was sort of my inclination too! Maybe we could have ANOTHER CYBER PARTY!

Anyway, process for projects is not difficult. There are some really good project guidelines which is what I followed for my two. You go to



content area - top line
click Art project system - that takes you to where all the project tool areA
on the left is a section on "Start your own project"
click on project guidelines - and then print off and have a good read.
then take a look at a few other projects and see what people say. All you're really doing is telling them what's it's about and what to do
I recommend writing the blurb in Word first so you can get it right and then just copy it acxross to the template for starting a thread
when you're ready click on the "Create a new project" bit and follow instructions
you'll need to upload some images - but you can also say there are some in the project thread
don't forget to make the existing thread the project thread
Val will probably be the person who approves the project - so just talk to her if you have any more queries.

[Weezy]

Anyway, process for projects is not difficult.
I recommend writing the blurb in Word first so you can get it right and then just copy it acxross to the template for starting a thread


So, you've obviously seen my typing and editing frequencies, I'm guessing?? LOL.

This sounds like a do-able thing and a good project for later tonight. I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

Thanks for the heads up. :wave:

[Katherine T]

So, you've obviously seen my typing and editing frequencies, I'm guessing?? LOL.

This sounds like a do-able thing and a good project for later tonight. I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

Thanks for the heads up. :wave:No, I just know you're fussy about words, like me, and there is this tiny little window in the template which makes it totally impossible to see what it is you're writing. So if you do it in Word and then cut and paste you'll be a lot happier! :D

[catchlight]

Ooh that sounds exciting, do you need to start the thread over to add a project to it now or will they still be able to use this thread? Don't spose it matters since we've all read this from the beginning!

[Katherine T]

Ooh that sounds exciting, do you need to start the thread over to add a project to it now or will they still be able to use this thread? Don't spose it matters since we've all read this from the beginning!I think this thread can be identified as the project thread. I mean if you look at this one and my one for the water project what's the difference? Very little if anything?

Except you get these cute little thumbnails in mine! And access to a gallery....

Only 21 posts to go and then this is offically the most replied to thread in the history of Wet Canvas CP Forum - and since I haven't come across another website which is more active I guess that means this could be a world record!

I wonder where it stands within WC overall excluding things like Tsunami / 9/11 type threads?

:( I went to look at watercolour projects, their top 5 all exceed 2.5k posts! Mind you, they 'cheat' - "a year of paintings" has been going since August 2003!

[Weezy]

And this started only a month and six days ago???!!! WOW. We have been busy. Either that, or we seriously all need to go and find ourselves a life!

[Katherine T]

And this started only a month and six days ago???!!! WOW. We have been busy. Either that, or we seriously all need to go and find ourselves a life!We've been busy and we've been enjoying ourselves!

I think the nice thing about these group threads is exactly the same thing I've noticed about Jay's drawing 101 threads in Drawing and Sketching. There's something about us all having a go together which creates a very supportive atmosphere and then allows us other people to think they might as well "have a go" too........when normally they wouldn't dare. So everybody gets to do loads of work and have fun at the same time.

And it's also a very efficient way of having lots of people's work on the front page of the forum - we have so much activity going on now things can slide off the front page in less than a day - yesterday the bottom item at one point was only 10 hours old.

[joannd]

We've been busy and we've been enjoying ourselves!

I think the nice thing about these group threads is exactly the same thing I've noticed about Jay's drawing 101 threads in Drawing and Sketching. There's something about us all having a go together which creates a very supportive atmosphere and then allows us other people to think they might as well "have a go" too........when normally they wouldn't dare. So everybody gets to do loads of work and have fun at the same time.

And it's also a very efficient way of having lots of people's work on the front page of the forum - we have so much activity going on now things can slide off the front page in less than a day - yesterday the bottom item at one point was only 10 hours old.

I know it certainly helped ME join in. It really helped me to see other people doing the same piece I'm doing. I like that a lot. I'm glad this will be a project, I do want to do more glass. (BTW Classy Glass is a great name. This is a classy forum!)
JoAnn