View Full Version : Ol' Murray No. Two

Jim Updegraff
05-29-2005, 09:04 PM
I wasnít very pleased with the first shot at a 19th Century type horse portrait a few weeks ago. Here is a second attempt. Same horse, different background landscape. Still a ways to go. The hind quarters are still giving me trouble.

General Pope, who got his comeuppance at Second Bull Run in 1862, bragged that his headquarters would be in the saddle. Wits noted that he had his headquarters were his hindquarters ought to be. Not really relevant but perhaps material.



05-30-2005, 05:11 AM
Oh I like the background of this one very much. I can imagine the difficulty in painting a horse. I have never painted one...Sorry I cant give you any tips about the hind quarters....But everthing else looks great to me. :)

Anita Murphy
05-30-2005, 06:34 PM
I still don't think the back is long enough and so you can't get the width of the hind quarters.

Jim Updegraff
05-31-2005, 10:30 PM
I think Iíve got this thing figured out, Present. The problem is not so much that the torso is too short as it is that Iíve just lost the withers. If I carry forward shoulder forward, raise the chest and leave every thing else as it is it might just do it.

On the hind quarters, the femur attaches to the pelvis just ahead of the rear point of the hip. Then it runs forward on a diagonal to the front side of the ham, the stifle joint which is like our knee and even has a knee cap. From there the tibia and fibula runs to the hock, the equivalent of our heel. What is screwing me up is the hock, the equivalent of our ankle bones, Achilles Tendon and heel bone. Once those are working together and I can model the huge round mass of muscle in the ham the painting ought to read as reasonably accurate.

Anita Murphy
06-01-2005, 10:34 AM
Jim if you do that you may be in danger of making the neck to short!
But you are right about the withers.
Hope you figure it out! I like it anyway - horse has character!

Jim Updegraff
06-03-2005, 01:17 AM
Here is where this thing stands after the shoulder was widened and the hind quarters defined a little more. I had to extend the neck a little and alter the angle of the head. It is starting to give an idea of just how massive this horse is Ė as befits an animal whose grandparents probably worked in harness. The background landscape is almost there.



I don't know why the bottom photo is so yellow.

Jim Updegraff
06-09-2005, 11:31 PM
A little more progress on this thing. I signed it but now that I look at it I donít think itís quite done. Iíll mess with it this weekend. It needs some more defination.


Jim Updegraff
06-18-2005, 09:34 PM
I think itís done. Iíll stick it up in the Animal Forum shortly.


Anita Murphy
06-20-2005, 02:12 PM
Jim - I think this is super. A horse with buckets of character!