PDA

View Full Version : Pan After Froud (Pastel, Fantasy)


Roan
01-06-2001, 08:09 PM
I just have to post this because I'm very proud of it. After seeing some of Froud's stuff I was so enamoured with the style I just had to try it for myself. So, this is based on one of his illustrations, Pan. I did it in May of last year as an excercise. I used to do a lot of illustrative stuff and might do more. Who knows?

Pastel on velour 18x24" or so

<IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/roan_froud_pan.jpg" border=0>


------------------
<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">Fear faramach, 's e cothromach; ceann is casan math aige; is gun a mhthair be.</FONT c>
--
<FONT size="1">A man of energy, and well-to-do; with good head and good legs; and his mother not alive.
(Lochaber saying which describes the qualities best desired in an eligible bachelor.)</FONT s>

RoanStudio.com (http://RoanStudio.com) &lt;-- pastel open stock vendor sources & reviews!

oleCC
01-07-2001, 07:18 AM
Hi Roan... can't "critique" here for you as I am un-familiar with pastels - (have only really done one piece with them). It looks to me like a painting, not what I would normally call an illustration. In another forum this was discussed, but I am still cofused. What makes you consider this more of an illustration?
Whatever you call it, I am impressed with your command of the medium ! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

------------------
http://www.artistnation.com/members/lofts/olecc

LarrySeiler
01-07-2001, 10:09 AM
Well....consider the many fantasy paper backs Carol, the Romance covers...etc., which are all technically illustrations, done as assignment and with the specific content to "illustrate" the story the reader is about to ensue.

Such illustrations are perhaps indeed paintings in every sense of the word, but have narrative. What separates perhaps doing an illustration from a piece of fine art in this sense is only that it was assigned or commissioned, has a deadline due time, a set price agreed upon, and must contain visual information to please the client. As such...it removes from the artist some or even much of the decision process because you are not doing it for yourself but for a client.

Yet...sometimes true creativity shines forth under the weight of specific restraints, and while such scares some artists away, it becomes a challenge many illustrations embrace. To see what can be done in light of the specified criteria.

What is illustration? Illustration...illustrates. For what reason? To promote, inform, sell, enlighten, make familiar, embellish a- product, idea, story, mission.

Thus...it could be when an artist is hired to produce a specific visual, with a set limitation to communicate specified criteria, and most often recompensed with partial payment in advance.

In a sense then...if a portraitist is hired with specific criteria- (for example, this is my daughter...we'd like the painting to look like her), and narrative, (she is a successful young attorney, and we'd like her sitting on the edge of her desk in her firm's office), and this service comes into agreement with a set fee...and more often than not a percent up front, then it would be interesting to see that minute debatable difference for which why we would call a portraitist an artist...while some are still called "illustrator".

I share all this rambling, because...yes indeed illustrators produce fine paintings and images as has Roan here. It is unfortunate that an attitude exists that attempts to jockey positions of respect to infer fine artists higher to be regarded than illustrators. I would say the only real difference is...a fine artist exists in a world of more risk. They produce works not knowing if any interest will exist upon its finishing....and thus take chances or invest more faith. The illustrator develops a reputation and relationship with commercial enterprises that keeps them often comfortably busy. The only regret is that from time to time, illustrators get so busy that they wish they had time to do more work that no one commissions.....that they alone desire to do.

Larry
http://www.artsmentor.org

------------------
"Painting is easy when you don't know how, but very difficult when you do!" Edgar Degas

Roan
01-07-2001, 11:28 AM
Carol,

Little bit about Brian Froud -- he's a British illustrator who specializes in Faeries and Woodfolk. He and his wife, Wendy (an accomplished doll maker and sculptor), have several books out, such as: Lady Cottington's Pressed Fairy Book, The Goblin Companion, and Good Faeries/Bad Faeries. He also co-authored and co-illustrated Faeries with Alan Lee, and has illustrated many other books. His newest one being the cover and several plates for The Wood Wife, written by Terri Windling.

The illustration I did, above, I believe is from Good Faeries/Bad Faeries.

Brian designed two movies for the late Jim Henson, The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth and met his wife on the set of Crystal. Wendy was the original designer of "Yoda" for Star Wars.

While I also consider Froud's work as "fine art" and the above as more of a painting, most of his work is done directly for the purposes of design and illustration, as Larry has pointed out.

I'm not sure what mediums he uses, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't use pastel so I was very happy to be able to capture this special art of his in my own medium. As an aside, the above, Pan, is one of a set of three that I did for my living room. I love them all dearly -- and of course cannot part with them as they were done for learning purposes only (<-- disclaimer :P) -- but I might post the other two if anyone wants to see them as well.

Hope that helps!

Hugs!

------------------
<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">Fear faramach, 's e cothromach; ceann is casan math aige; is gun a mhthair be.</FONT c>
--
<FONT size="1">A man of energy, and well-to-do; with good head and good legs; and his mother not alive.
(Lochaber saying which describes the qualities best desired in an eligible bachelor.)</FONT s>

RoanStudio.com (http://RoanStudio.com) <-- pastel open stock vendor sources & reviews!

[This message has been edited by Roan (edited January 07, 2001).]

oleCC
01-07-2001, 10:28 PM
Thanks Larry and Roan... for the feedback. I must admit this has been bugging me for sometime now. A nagging inside - like maybe I should be trying to get into that field. I can't say I really enjoy commission work, and you both make it clear that there really is not any difference - same restrictions etc.
Roan. .. please do post the other two you mentioned,, would love to see them. Your way with pastels amazes me. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

------------------
http://www.artistnation.com/members/lofts/olecc

Roan
01-07-2001, 11:49 PM
Why, thank you Carol! I don't know so much if it's my handling of the medium or that I find painting from illustrations or other works easier than working from photographs or real life. I think it's because the colors are already there. I dunno :P

Anyhow, here are the other two Frouds. Both are 16" x 20" and pastel on velour:

This one is my rendition of Froud's "The King of the Green Men"

<IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/roan_froud_greenman.jpg" border=0>


And this one is an illustration from the Faerieland series -- I think from The Wood Wife

<IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/roan_froud_faerieland.jpg" border=0>

In the original he's holding a lamb, but I didn't like it too much so I painted in a bunch of leaves instead.

---------

Doh, I don't know how I did it, but I had the title of the first painting I posted mixed up with another one. That one is not "Pan", it's "Green Woman #3" from Froud's Green Man series. *whap me* In all I think I painted 10 Frouds and I loved every minute of it. All of them, except these three, are thumb-tacked to the walls of my studio. I love looking at them :P

Hugs!

------------------
<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">Fear faramach, 's e cothromach; ceann is casan math aige; is gun a mhthair be.</FONT c>
--
<FONT size="1">A man of energy, and well-to-do; with good head and good legs; and his mother not alive.
(Lochaber saying which describes the qualities best desired in an eligible bachelor.)</FONT s>

RoanStudio.com (http://RoanStudio.com) <-- pastel open stock vendor sources & reviews!

[This message has been edited by Roan (edited January 07, 2001).]

berkking
01-08-2001, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by oleCC:

Whatever you call it, I am impressed with your command of the medium ! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol



Roan

I, too, am not versed in the ways of pastel, but I must agree with Carol. Your command of the medium is impressive.
I sense that, in tune with Froud's intentions, you had some serious FUN studying these! Well done, very well done

Nick

arourapope
01-08-2001, 11:36 AM
Aaaaaack! You've got me all worked up now! Brian Froud and Allen Lee have got to be my favorites of favorites. I believe Froud uses oils, actually, though I may be wrong. I remember reading somewhere, also, that each one of his paintings has a hidden doorway in it somewhere. Have you ever run across that? I know reading that set me hunting for doorways in all of his pieces that I have seen.....LOL.....he's surely laughing somewhere, because I have yet to find any doorways! Anyway, thanks for posting these. Now I'm all inspired, and all my paintings are too wet to work! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif Awesome stuff though, isn't it?
Light,
Aurora

------------------
http://www.artistnation.com/members/paris/aurorapope/

digistyle
01-08-2001, 07:32 PM
I like Celtic style of the characters. Great colors.

Digistyle

oleCC
01-08-2001, 08:39 PM
Thanks for posting those Roan...they are absolutely terrific! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

------------------
http://www.artistnation.com/members/lofts/olecc

Shehaub
01-09-2001, 08:20 PM
Ooooooohhh...
This is great wonderful amazing stuff!

How very inspiring!

Shehaub

Roan
01-12-2001, 07:35 PM
Thank you to everyone for your kind words!

Someday, when I find my own imagination, I hope to develop my own series of Celtic mythos characters and do original paintings of this type. I love 'em :P

------------------
<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">Fear faramach, 's e cothromach; ceann is casan math aige; is gun a mhthair be.</FONT c>
--
<FONT size="1">A man of energy, and well-to-do; with good head and good legs; and his mother not alive.
(Lochaber saying which describes the qualities best desired in an eligible bachelor.)</FONT s>

RoanStudio.com (http://RoanStudio.com) &lt;-- pastel open stock vendor sources & reviews!

Pray
01-14-2001, 04:26 PM
Thanks for letting me see these. Love em.
Did you use pencils? What kind?

Roan
01-14-2001, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Pray:
Thanks for letting me see these. Love em.
Did you use pencils? What kind?

You're welcome and thank you :P

I used mostly Winstor & Newton (payne's grey one of the prominent colors in two of them), and Rembrandt for the main underpaintings and details. Rembrandt is only used for some colors -- they tend to be very gritty and can rip and injury velour. Blacks were done with Sennelier and some browns were Schmincke.

I only use pastel pencils on sanded type papers unless the entire painting is pencil.

------------------
<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">Nan danadh mo lmh mar a dh'iarradh mo shil!</FONT c>
-- <FONT size="1">If my hand could do as my eye would desire!</FONT s>
RoanStudio.com (http://RoanStudio.com) &lt;-- pastel open stock vendor sources & reviews!

MichaelRH
01-17-2001, 05:44 PM
Roan!!!!!!!!!

These are just great!!! I've been a Froud-fan for a long time, I also collect the books which include his work. I'm glad I followed this topic out of the "Whose on Line" area, I don't often visit the illustration area. (I think you could have posted these in the "Critiques Forum" along with "just to share"..they are beautiful..love 'em!!

I also copy Froud's faeries. I think his faces..and figure distortions are sooo good. I agreew the others here, your handling of pastels is VERY!! impressive. I am guessing, but I think a lot of Froud's work is watercolor..maybe gouche, as I see many washes. As you already know Roan, he is QUITE a draftsman...his drawings are just alive with expression, movement, and vitality.
I've also thought of doing my own book of...uh..."people". I have intertained the idea of a theme book also...along the lines of goblins..demons...or just sort of the "Good Guys/Bad Guys" kinda thing. Movies like "Matrix", "Blade Runner", generate these ideas for the illustrations for me.
I too, feel that Froud's work falls into a fine-art category. Love your drawings Roan...these "made my day"!!!!!!!!!!
----Michael

P.S. I've saved these to my HD. Suggestion to you Roan...DO YOUR OWN..the will SELL!!$$
Follow through ok....get your own book going...you are VERY!!!!!!!! good. THERE!, am I making my point! lol http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif


[This message has been edited by MichaelRH (edited January 17, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by MichaelRH (edited January 17, 2001).]

Roan
01-17-2001, 10:55 PM
Wow, gee, Michael, I'm terribly flattered!
I dunno what to say, except thank you very much :P

I did post Green Woman in Critiques -- you must have missed it :P I'll post the other two and blame it on your insistance :P

Originally posted by MichaelRH:
. . . I also copy Froud's faeries. I think his faces..and figure distortions are sooo good. I agreew the others here, your handling of pastels is VERY!! impressive. I am guessing, but I think a lot of Froud's work is watercolor..maybe gouche, as I see many washes. As you already know Roan, he is QUITE a draftsman...his drawings are just alive with expression, movement, and vitality.

Froud rules at Faeries and his figurative work is totally awesome! From what I've seen posted in some online galleries he works in "mixed media" -- and I agree they look a lot like watercolor washes. Beautiful stuff!


I've also thought of doing my own book of...uh..."people". I have intertained the idea of a theme book also...along the lines of goblins..demons...or just sort of the "Good Guys/Bad Guys" kinda thing. Movies like "Matrix", "Blade Runner", generate these ideas for the illustrations for me.

DO IT! Heal thyself and take your own advice, Michael :P

I too, feel that Froud's work falls into a fine-art category. Love your drawings Roan...these "made my day"!!!!!!!!!!
----Michael

P.S. I've saved these to my HD. Suggestion to you Roan...DO YOUR OWN..the will SELL!!$$
Follow through ok....get your own book going...you are VERY!!!!!!!! good. THERE!, am I making my point! lol http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Again, thank you! My big problem is a lack of imagination, Michael. I get most of my ideas by piggy-backing off of others and I personally HATE that! Maybe I'll bite the bullet and try to develop my own characters -- I have such a Froud influence on me now, tho, I'm afraid I'll steal his ideas and I don't want that. Coming up with something totally original is so difficult -- Sigh.

I think I'll try tho. I REALLY enjoyed painting these, they were so easy for me and a lot of fun!

Thanks, for the third time :P


------------------
<FONT face="Script MT Bold"><FONT COLOR="#AB4835"><FONT size="5">Roan</FONT s></FONT c></FONT f>
<FONT COLOR="#8A1010">Nan danadh mo lmh mar a dh'iarradh mo shil!</FONT c>
-- <FONT size="1">If my hand could do as my eye would desire!</FONT s>
RoanStudio.com (http://RoanStudio.com) &lt;-- pastel open stock vendor sources & reviews!