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04-24-2005, 11:11 PM
Basic 101
Class 18
Drawing Heads


It sits there perched atop our body like a periscope sitting high on a two legged submarine. It is the pilothouse on the steamboat. It sits there and surveys—turning this way and that on its biological turret. It takes in an makes daily assessments and then orders the carrying out of those assessments. Simplicity is its design and what is the head but a carrying case for the mind.

It is the most important part of our body. It is our command center. It is the head of project “us”. Without the head to control the mechanical means to express ourselves, we would not, could not be artists. Yet we go through our lives not really thinking about how important this spherically shaped piece of hardware actually is. We are only sitting here communicating because the brain that in encased in this writer’s head is allowing the typing to take place..

When we meet someone, the first thing that our eyes will gravitate toward will be the face. The head encases the brain and thrust forward the face—the face shows people a portion of our lives—it is an indicator of health, environment, experience (be it pain or joy). The face makes the head special, an ever-moving decoration in celebration of our lives—good or bad.

TAKE NOTE: at the end of each section will be a set of links relevant to that particular section. This is a brand new format, which will allow you to quickly access threads closely related to the topics. The point being that I want to make absolutely sure that no ONE point of view is dominant. Different artists have different approaches and it is vital that you, as students, be exposed to as many points of view as possible.

1. The Structure of the Head

In order to properly draw the head there are some generic proportions that you should memorize as well as the underlying planes that make up the face.

a. Ears extend from the brow to the nose

b. There is ONE eye length between the two eyes

c. The crown of the head to the eye equals one half the head’s length

d. The nose is about halfway between the eyes and the chin

e. The mouth is halfway between the nose and the chin

Learn these proportions. They will make your experience drawing the head much easier.

Structural Planes—I have put together an illustration of the planes of the head. Notice that the planes reflect the PLANE of the skull.

To indicate the structure of the head and to pull forward the facial features, study the edges of the nose, eyes and mouth and look for places where hard edges graduate from hard to soft changes of the plane.

To see what I mean click on the related threads—especially the first one:

Related Threads:



04-24-2005, 11:12 PM
2. The Eyes

There are three generic parts of the eye that you should always keep in mind: The eye is a sphere, the sphere fits into a socket and the eyelid wraps itself over the eyeballs. From the side, take a look at the relative thickness of the upper and lower eyelids. The eyelids are accordion-like in nature, able to reflexively open and close in order to protect the eye. Note the curves of the eyelids as well. Be sure to
look for the contrast between curved and straight areas. Here are some points to remember:

a. The cornea sits on top of the eyeball like a small mound—it
is separate until itself. The point where the edge of the cornea meets the eyeball may pick up a bit of shadow.

b. Notice that the lower lid is MOLDED around the eyeball.

c. Always keep in mind the effect of LIGHT on the pupils. Bright light will cause the pupil to get smaller while darkness will cause the pupil to open up.

d. If you are looking at a near object, the pupils will get small. If looking at a distance object, the pupils will become larger.

e. The upper lashes curl UP, the lower lashes curl DOWN

f. HOWEVER: upper lashes swoop down before curling up.

g. Highlights are captured by the moisture contained in the cornea’s tissue and can be exploited to create expression. . This tissue is highly reflective so there may be multiple highlights in the eye caused by multiple light sources.

h. The lower the lid, the more pronounced the shadow over the eye.

i. Eyelashes are generally arranged in double or triple rows. This arrangement may result in the lashes clustering at the end of the eye.

j. For fun—the word “Iris” means “rainbow” and is, appropriately, the colored portion of the eye.

k. Keep in mind that the lids may be darker in tone then the rest of the face.

l. Always be aware of folds in the eyelid. These folds increase with age. I know.

Here are some eye demonstrations as drawn may other WC Artists as well as a great piece on construction:

Related Threads:







04-24-2005, 11:13 PM
3. The Nose and the Mouth

To draw the nose and the mouth, focus on locating planes. You should study the nose and the mouth and become familiar with your subject so that you can indicate planes every half-inch or so on both the nose and the mouth. Notice the changes from sharp edges to curves. When drawing a mouth at a three quarters view, notice that the mouth’s far corner WRAPS around the teeth. When viewing the lip from the bottom the edge of the lower lip will overlap the upper lip at the corner. When viewed from above, the upper lip will over lap the lower lip at the far corner.

The Mouth (the Megaphone of the Mind):

a. On the female mouth, there are around 24 lines across the both the top and the bottom lip.

b. Where the lower lip follows under the upper lip, look for an opportunity for shadows.

c. The rim of the upper lip projects further out then the lower lip.

d. The darkest part of the mouth is the line dividing the upper lip from the lower lip

e. The lower lip will sometimes catch the shadow of the upper lip.

f. Do not forget the hollow or depression over the top center of the upper lip commonly known as the “cupid’s bow”.

g. this may seem like common sense but when you smile the distance between the corners of the mouth and the two sides of the edge of the face lessens as the mouth stretches.

Relevant Threads:


One other thing about the eyes and the mouth—an afterthought:

The movement of the eyes is synchronized with the movement of the eyebrows and vice versa. Look in the mirror and try it. As you do you eye exercise in the mirror observe how the eyebrows move with the eyes:

The mouth comes with it own set of quarks as well. JUST REMEMBER ACTION AND REACTION. When one thing moves, something else must move along with it. In the case of the mouth, notice how it WRAPS around the teeth. When you move the mouth the reaction is that the lower jaw and zygotic areas (the cheeks) will work in concert with the motion of the mouth. Look in your mirror and give yourself a big grin. Watch the cheeks and the jaw and notice how the skin tenses and stretches. Notice that even the foundations of the plane shift in cooperation with your expression. All for one and one for all, so to speak.

Here are some mouth demonstrations:

The Nose:

a. The nasal bone extends halfway down the nose before the cartilage takes over.

b. When drawing the nose, try to use the fewest lines possible. Let the shape of the nose come with the development of light and shadow.

c. Look for abnormalities such as previously broken nose, pock marks, scars etc. in order to achieve a likeness or to project character.

d. In some people the nose will take on a red quality because of drinking or genetics (Northern European Caucasian). The redness is caused by a bursting of capillaries—an occurrence common in Northern European Caucasian male and females).

e. Look to the nostril and for flares—in some people the nostrils are more pronounced then in others. This flaring is, again, a genetic trait.

f. On either side of the top of the nose below the socket is a mound of bone. Be aware of this point.

g. In some people (like myself) the nose will have a small linear indentation on the tip of the nose. Look closely for this trait.


04-24-2005, 11:15 PM
4. Facial Expressions:

The great thing about drawing a face is that when we are born, we each get a face of our own. You might inherit traits from both or one of your parents but like a fingerprint, the face is your own unique mark in the human pool.. I see a lot of portraits (even from the masters) that are totally devoid of any kind of facial expression. Yet our faces twist and turn and change almost every waking and sleeping second. A facial expression is a reaction to something that the brain as perceived. Be it surprise or a really ugly smell, the brain will send out its opinion in the form of the facial expression.

Not those facial expressions are a concert of events:

Here is a quick exercise—practice the following eye symbols:

(Insert eye symbols here--eyebrows)

Keeping in mind that the eyeball is a SPHERE in a socket—look at all of the expressions such a simple mechanism can create! Look at yourself in the mirror and move your eyes about—experiment. It’s silly but it is fun and it illustrates a point.

5. Male and female profiles:

a. More males then females have indentations in their foreheads

b. Male brows extend out further then females

c. The bridge of the female nose may be more rounded

d. Female lips are thicker then male lips

Related Threads:





04-24-2005, 11:16 PM
5. Hair

There is nothing more important for expressing a personality then hair (or in some cases—lack of it). From the first shock on a baby’s head to that inexplicable time of blue hair--hair says it all. A snarl and a forelock and you have Elvis.

Some things to remember about hair:

a. First always note the shape of the hairline. This is crucial. Little points like the hair line go a long way to defining a likeness.

b. Do NOT draw hair one strand at a time—that is akin to weaving baskets in an asylum. Instead, look for planes and shapes and draw those first—keep everything simple—break everything down into shapes.

c. The hair sits on a sphere and so follows the shape of the sphere.

d. Look for striking lights and darks. Be aware that light treats the hair as a sphere. The light is broken up by mass and layers, which create moments for shadows to occur.

e. Hair tends to fall and gather in clusters even after being combed.

f. Hair is also effected by static electric and is also the cause of the clustering of the hair.

g. Bear in mind that because the head is the part of the body that moves the most, it is also effected by air currents. This correct effect causes light textured hair to divide into strands and curls.

h. Artificial devices also effect the look of the hair.

i. The degree of dryness or oiliness of the hair will effect the way that the hair falls.
Relevant Threads:



04-24-2005, 11:17 PM
7. Light and Shadow

How light strikes the head is extremely important. It is a determining factor in establishing mood and atmosphere and with the head this is no exception. I have included some models that have been shot by our good friend and fellow artist, Reinhard Linder. Reinhard thanks for the contibution. Study these carefully and see how they apply to the project for this class.

Relevant Threads:


04-24-2005, 11:18 PM
Here are some more

04-24-2005, 11:20 PM
and yet some more--Rheinhards a busy bee..

04-24-2005, 11:21 PM
And the last of the heads!

04-24-2005, 11:23 PM
8. Class assignment—SELF PORTRAIT. I would like to see what you all look like or rather how you think you look so the assignment for this two week class is to do a self portrait. I know of no better way to come to terms with the subject of drawing the head and face then drawing the one closest to you.

I ask that you please try to stick to the assignment, as this project will play an important part in upcoming classes. You will have fun, I am sure. I have included an early self-portrait for you to see as a demonstration . My skills were not like they are now but the great thing about self portraits is that you can exercise a certain amount of vanity—I worked from a reference photo.
Here are the portrait demonstrations:










Have FUN!!!!

Deb Leger
04-24-2005, 11:37 PM
Yikes, Yikes, Yikes, Yikes, Yikes, Yikes, Yikes, !!! :eek:

Heads, mouths, eyes, noses and expressions! Could it get any worse? :wink2:

But .... I'll do it. <sigh>

Only for you, Jay! :evil:


Deb Leger
04-24-2005, 11:40 PM
And, :angel: pardon me, but ............

I seem to recall ***someone*** saying this was going to be "fun". :rolleyes:

(is there a little smiley for laughing hysterically while trying to control the panic at having to do heads, etc?)

(just kidding!)

Great job on the lesson Jay!!!! I know that, no matter what I've said above, by the end, I'll be much better at them than I am now! :D

04-24-2005, 11:46 PM
Here comes the cheapest facelift ever! :D

Really great class JayD!!!!!!
(as they all have been!)

:clap: :clap: :clap:
Love doing portraits!

04-24-2005, 11:49 PM
You know I love ya, Deb!

This will be a good excercise for everyone--one project-self portraits--no fuss, no muss. Besides--you guys are getting really good. This is your first flight! :)

Hey, Judi--thanks for reminding me!!!! :evil: Try to work in a facial expression--no police mug shots--lets see some character. :)


I hae this disturbing image of Sults sitting on a giant foot--what a self portrait that would make! :D

04-25-2005, 06:09 AM
Awesome thread and information Jay! :evil: But oh, what an evil thread! I remember my first efforts at a self-portrait - talk about pitiful! I wonder how many brave folks will take up your challenge?

I don't want to add too much technical info, because you've done a good job and it is easy to simply overwhelm people. However I seriously recommend that if anybody wants to take up portrait drawing further, visit the website below and check out the online book "Drawing the head and hands"
Check out some samples in the attachments.

The other important aspect is where to start!! If you jump straight in trying to drawing the entire outline of a face you are very unlikely to succeed - the distances involved are too general and great to be accurately measured and as portrait drawing requires accuracy, my recommendation would be to start small and work out. I.e. start with an eye - it may just be an outline of an eye, or you might decided to complete it in full before moving on. If you have an accurate part of the face drawn (eyes are usually the most popular part to start with), then you can move towards the nose for example - as the distance between the eye to nose is small, you can make better judgements about positioning. If you drew one side of the left cheek and then tried to add the right side of the face, then marked off the forehead and chin - it's very unlikely that your eyes, nose and mouth would sit very accurately within this framework. So the best tip I can give is measure in small distances - eye to eyelid, eyelid to eye brow, eye to eye, eye to nose, nose to top lip, top lip to bottom lip, bottom lip to chin, etc, etc.

04-25-2005, 07:10 AM
I love this class most of all but it may take me 4 weeks to complete at the rate I am going. lol
By the way, You know I really did learn alot from Bobby (Boquitania) 5 week self portrait class also. You can find it in the Learning Center (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232255), Murray has at the top of D/s.
&, Mary you going to do your tricycle self portrait? I will do mine if you do yours :)

04-25-2005, 07:17 AM
Hey, Gavin--thanks for stepping in an contributing this piece. I knew that I left something out. A quick not regarding Loomis. Be VERY careful what you download off the internet. Some of the Loomis books ARE copyright free but point in fact be aware that soem of the books available for download are NOT an are owned by his daughter. I did some research on this about a year or so ago when I found out that the Animator's Tool Kit which was offered for download was available for download BEFORE it was published so take very care. The book that you are referencing is currently in the public domain.

I hope you will keep popping in and contribute to this two week session.

When I start a portrait, I do the following:

1. I start with a line drawing--I know that OTHERS do not but this is my way. I keep the lines very light. I free hand my sketches and then trace a clean copy onto the good paper.

2. I start with the eyes because they really make or break the drawing.

04-25-2005, 07:39 AM
Fantastic information. Ready to start with the selfportrait. Thanks Jay for all the time and effort you put in this.

04-25-2005, 09:02 AM
No, it should be my thanks going to people like you and the rest of the 101ers who make this class kick. There was some very positive commenting about this class over in the cp forum and I told everyone there that I am NOT this class--that you guys make it work. You all oil the machinery and make it HUM--big. Now, MY reward besides watching people learn--is THIS--I will finally get to see what you all look like--tricycles and ALL. :D

By the way, folks--if you think this is too much for two weeks and you need more time, I extend it to three weeks. I dont want to do that but but the offer is on the table is you folks need it.

04-25-2005, 09:13 AM
Jay what ever is easiest on you is what I will go with. Besides the classes are at each ones own pace and if I need to catch up, that is ok with me. I do not want to add more to your heavy load of this wonderful course you teach.
I have learned so much from you and I enjoy the sub Teachers & sub classmates (I value there input) but your WORD is what I really learn from and if it will be harder for you to keep up with the class to extend it longer than it is set for, then by all means keep it at 2 weeks.
So, do not change a thing on my account please.

04-25-2005, 09:18 AM
Sults, thanks for the kind words. I will also try to make sure that everyone gets some kind of strangely worded tome neatly tucked away in Jayd's mental trunk. :D

I like self portraits--you can do the face or the figure or both and just have fun with it. Be creative with the facial expressions this time. And you, Sults--you just worry about getting well---I expect to see you back up to full speed egging on the gang. They need all the egging that they can get! :D But right now, your business is the business of you. Take your time, give us your best and pm frequently if you need to just get better bcause we miss you. :)

OK--now--I just approved a drawing and sketching project that you all may want to take a look at--it can be found --oh where did I put it--oh--here it is:


Fireman's kid
04-25-2005, 09:45 AM
Hi gang!

My first thought was "Why did I have to use my picture in my tiny head? Without that I could have drawn anyone and you all would have never known. (insert maniacal laughter here :evil: )." But it looks like I'm stuck drawing my own mug. :D

Jay, I actually haven't even read the instructions yet, but obviously did see the assignment part. I'm doing a show with my art club this weekend that I still have to do a lot of prep for. So I might not be around much this week. But I'll get started on my drawing if I can and I'll definitely be back next week.

You don't need to extend the class for me because I am always behind or just making it, but I don't think extra time would change that. It's just the way I seem to be working. :rolleyes:

I can't wait to see everyone's self portraits! This is going to be fun. Of course I do have that start of a new lesson, scary, a bit of a panic feeling. But I know that passes once i actually start drawing. :D

Well, I'm off to do some matting while I have the house to myself.
:wave: :)

04-25-2005, 10:01 AM
And you, Sults--you just worry about getting well---I expect to see you back up to full speed egging on the gang. They need all the egging that they can get!
OK, for the time being I will egg on the class with something that they may not like doing, Jay. I think it would be very helpful for everyone to post the ref pic they are working from so others can help them by seeing what they may not see in it. Doing a self portrait is very very hard because we tend draw what we see in ourselves and not what others really see. For instance, my last self portrait was very harsh and I was told to soften it up because I made myself too stearn. Anyways, just a thought to add here.
Besides, we can also help others with the measuring and plum lines if they post the ref pic and if their portrait is off we can help them before it is too late to fix. Sorta a WIP for everyone, this is like another great Mile Stone Class in the 101 course like class 7 was. This is like our put all what we learned into this Master Piece Assignment. Another Mid Term Project?
Hi Stacy :wave: Good Luck with your Art Show too.
LQQKs down the thread and says....Bon you need to post them here & especially that wonderful Rear View Mirror Self Portrait you did of yourself.

04-25-2005, 10:04 AM
JayD,Gavin,Sultry.I'll be watching. :D :D
I've done to many self portraits of myself that im sick of me. :p :p

04-25-2005, 11:37 AM
Bon, you might be, BUT I'M NOT. CAN'T WAIT TO SE MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE OF YOU :wave: :wave: :wave:

04-25-2005, 12:39 PM
Bon, lets see one of you as a teen or as a little girl. Or as a snake!!!

04-25-2005, 12:40 PM
JayD :wave: , What I got out of the CP comments is they would also like to steal you! :( And can ya blame them? :D

So it doesn't have to be a recent picture? As I believe we are all beyond riding tricycles.

Sults :wave: , Thanks for the 5 week course link!

Hey Stacy :wave: , enjoy your pic, you are very pretty...just wait till the twins are done with you! (Yeh though we could have been Cameron Diaz look alike)

Hi Bon :wave: , Will you post a self portrait that you have already done?

Hi Reinhard! :wave:

04-25-2005, 02:26 PM
Just be and draw yourself--sky's the limit--or sidewalk--whichever is your preference. All I ask is that you try to improvise some expression into your face. Bonnie this THE reason that you should try this one--draw yourself sitting on a limb in a tree as the Cheshire Cat. :D

04-25-2005, 03:29 PM
Well, I could continue to be a year behind and submit my self-portrait from last July; just as I submitted my hand drawing from last July in lesson 17. Best I can do until things calm down and our schedule gets back to semi-normal. I don't mind submitting last year - it will encourage me to try again - I think I can draw better, but I look older! :D

Cathie Jones
04-25-2005, 05:36 PM
Good idea to post a photo, Sults . . . but that will ruin some of the facelifts some of us were planning!!!

The sketching project looks like fun. Since JayD tasked me with sketching on vacation, I've found that I like it much than doing a 'finished' product. I'm looking forward to re-sketching some vacation stuff on watercolor paper and putting color washes on them.

04-25-2005, 06:15 PM
Great stuff, JayD. But I haven't done my hands and feet yet :( . Am I allowed to do a self-portrait anyway? Please! If I promise to be good. :angel:

Looking forward to seeing everyone! BTW, people tell me I'm the spitting image of Brad Pitt... :wink2:

Welcome back, CJ. Do we get to see your sketches?

04-25-2005, 06:39 PM
Your to kind reinhard. :)
Ok JayD :D
Well Judi these are some :p :D

04-25-2005, 06:40 PM
Ya think that was enough?lol ugh

04-25-2005, 06:42 PM
How is going everyone with the s. portrait ?, this is not an easy lesson, but will be nice to see the great work of so many good artists here.
:confused: First one. I did this, one year ago, I think will be good to see, if is any difference (for better) with the one I will do now.
Good luck all

04-25-2005, 06:44 PM
Hi Peter :wave:
Very very good. :clap:

04-25-2005, 06:49 PM
Oh God, Bon you posted before I had mine. Where on earth do you have the time to do so many drawings ?!!!!!!!!!! :mad: and what is most important, so nice drawings! Love them

04-25-2005, 06:50 PM
Hi Dave :wave: Glad you are back! :clap:
Dave looks like Brad Pitt
CJ looks like Marilyn Monroe
Sults looks like Sophia Loren (See her new Avatar)
Bon Looks like Little Red Riding Hood all grown up.
Peter looks like Harry Morgan (the Col. from Mash)
I look like Cameron Diaz (that is not my pic in my avatar-just threw that lady in so no one would be jealous :rolleyes: )

04-25-2005, 07:26 PM
Good idea to post a photo, Sults . . . but that will ruin some of the facelifts some of us were planning!!!
LOL, Well, you can sketch yourself at 16 or 21 if you like CJ. :cat:
Hey I dare you to sketch your wedding picture. :evil:
lol, Judi I do not look like Sophie (hands on hips smiley) but when I was younger and when I dyed my hair red, people thought I resembled Gina Davis when she played Thelma in Thelma & Louise. lol, I was in Toys R Us, Xmas shopping on Xmas Eve with my Ex & the person in front of me said you know, you look just like Thelma. I smiled and hid behind the big wheel box in the cart. She nudged her friend and they said yeah she does look like Thelma, that started the line to look at me. I was a mess trying to hide, by the time I got to the cashier. lol, even my ex teased me all the way to the car.

Bon, I love your selfportraits, you have to surprise us with a younger one of you now. How about a vampire baby bon? lol

oh, Peter you look wayyyyy to young to be the guy on Mash. Great eyes by the way.

Hey everyone Judi looks even better than Camron Diaz she has bigger eyes and poutier lips. :cat:

Well I am safe & sound back home from docs & the procedure was not as bad as it sounds just that I had 2 strange things happened to me going to Doctors recently. (Results will be in a week).
Today the microscope bulb was out and I had to wait for a new one ( the 3 other microscopes did not work for some reason, & at the dentist I had to wait for a new drill the drill was not working properly or they needed a new bit). Hmm I told my Obgyn I swear I am not witch, honestly I am not. lol

04-25-2005, 07:32 PM
Not to worry, Dave--some say that I am the spitting image of something that Brad Pitt spit!

Bonnie, I have plans of dying and then my spirit will visit each of my WC Friends for a humorous spiritual good-bye. I have to say that I HOPE I don't get trapped in your head--there are just too many snakes in there! :D

CJ--I will pm you when we get to covering the sketching--I have not forgotten! :evil: You are now our premier sketch a ma doodler type person. :D

Judi--you left me out of the mix! :( Nevermind--when I was younger, I was told that I looked like Burt Reynolds--now people tell me I look like an older Meathead from All in the Family! :D

Oh, Peter--Horrors no!!.....that c-c-cant be you!! aaaaaargh--just kidding! :D Let's see the new one!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Barb--draw yourself as is and then as the executive in charge of you--pull out and a large blending stump and blend to taste. :D Don't worry about being behind--it seems to qualify you for membership around here! :D

04-25-2005, 07:37 PM
Hi ya Sults :wave: , Glad you are home. Casting spells again? LOL
No, Not better than Ms. Diaz, just an aging lady. :(

OMGoodness JayD I was gonna write Burt Reynolds-that is so funny.
OK, you can be Burt! I would have never thought of Meathead, people are just a teasing you. :eek:

Cathie Jones
04-25-2005, 10:38 PM
Bonnie, I have plans of dying and then my spirit will visit each of my WC Friends for a humorous spiritual good-bye. I have to say that I HOPE I don't get trapped in your head--there are just too many snakes in there! :D

CJ--I will pm you when we get to covering the sketching--I have not forgotten! :evil: You are now our premier sketch a ma doodler type person. :D

That's funny, JayD! Every time I get a hair cut I tell the girl that when I die I'm coming back to haunt every hairdresser who ever cut my hair too short! Works sometimes . . . :D

Didn't think you forgot . . . I won't show the sketches before you're ready. There aren't very many at this point, but I may add a few from photos (of which there are at least a gazillion!).

04-25-2005, 11:00 PM
CJ--that's a good idea--just make sure you let us know which ones you drew "on the spot" and which ones came from the photo--I will be curious to see how sitting down with "minimum" distracted differed from drawing impromtu in the open air. This will be really good.

04-26-2005, 12:22 AM
:mad: Yes Jay, that portrait is me, I did with a mirror, and I can tell you the likeness is very, very good.(I mean the likeness of the hat, not the face). :D

04-26-2005, 12:35 AM
Vampire baby LOL.sultry your to funny. :p
Ok I tried drawing me tonight.Yep im not blonde or have long hair anymore. :D

04-26-2005, 06:42 AM
Hey, peter--I remember the portrait when you first posted. It is very good--I am lousy with hats too and the hat itself is soooooo Aussie. :D You had a picture avatar, I think, of yourself that would make a nice portrait too.

Bon, Love the back short hair--it will take some getting use to I have to admit. That being said--maybe you should do yourself as Vampirella--if you do not know who she is, check her out on the net here:


the new model for his is Miller Catfight commerical model, Kitana Baker. Point in fact, I was reading Vampirella as an early teen so she has been around quite a long time. Do an image search on google to see all of the incarnations of her.


You would make a neat Vampirella.

PS--a lot of artist have drawn Vampirella. One of the most notable was Frank Frazetta.

04-26-2005, 06:49 AM
Ooooooooooooooh I agree with Jay, Bon your such a pretty sexy brunette & I still want to see a vampiraette from you because you do babies so well in costumes or not. I really still love your biker babe. Oh you should make this last self portrait your avator & umm how long did this one take to cook up speedy?

04-26-2005, 07:39 AM
Oboy sultry what did I start by drawing a few vampires LOL.Babies are angels I couldn't make them evil. :( .And thank you sultry im not quite umm sexy anymore but figured i'd do me now n then before my eyelids took over my eyeballs and i can't see my feet anymore. :p
JayD that vamp is HUBBA HUBBA WICKED and if her bite doesn't kill ya her body would. :p
I like this chocolate hair to and i do have a few steaks in it.My problem is i was tired of getting called a dumb blonde and tired of my whacky curels and this is much better to manage.Think i'm going to keep it. :D
It took me about 2 hours to draw me and it was a pain. :evil: I used no photo.And i seem to always get 1 eye bigger then the other on me?Dunno why?maybe it's because i have 1 eye dark blue and the other light blue.Been that way all my life.
Judi your cracking me up.LOL

04-26-2005, 07:50 AM
Well, for god's sake, Bon--PLEASE do NOT puff your hair and dye it BLUE! :D

04-26-2005, 08:08 AM
ok, ok Bon no vampire baby (but how about a mermaid baby)? lol

Pssssssssssst you did not hear it from me but umm, Judi is hiding out telling us she is working on an adorable cp portrait in the CP Forum here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3457852#post3457852) (But remember just a lil birdie told you). :evil: :wink2:

Fireman's kid
04-26-2005, 09:40 AM
I'm sneaking in to spread some news. Maybe you all heard it before and I missed it when I was away over the weekend, but in case she was trying to be modest...

One of Deb's watercolor paintings was juried into the Ottawa Watercolor Society show!!! She's hit the big time! Yay Hoochie Mama!!! :clap:

If you want to see the painting it can be found here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3458086#post3458086) in post #17 on page 2.

And if this is all old news I apologize for being behind. :o

Now I'm off to sneak in and surprise Judi. :D Then it's back to work matting prints.

04-26-2005, 10:03 AM
Congratulations Deb! :clap: :clap: I remember seeing that painting a little while ago; I can see why it was accepted!

04-26-2005, 12:37 PM
Deb, Congrats--and to think that I knew you when! I hope will have time for us "little people" (including elves like Bonnie! :D ).

Hey, Sults--I can confirm that--I hang with the CP people and I've seen her there. I hear she is very good! Judi, are your ears burning! :evil:

Cathie Jones
04-26-2005, 12:44 PM
WOOHOO!!! Congrats to our Hoochie Mama!!! Way to go, Deb. I've always loved that painting, and it certainly deserves to win big! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Anita Murphy
04-26-2005, 03:07 PM
Going to join in the fun here as my next portrait painting exercise is going to be self-portrait and this will be good practice.

04-26-2005, 04:56 PM
Just a quick sketch to explain why I am not doing this right away - cataract surgery yesterday. I can see the pictures, but not ready to read much. This is in dim light, may be the best version anyway.

04-26-2005, 05:24 PM
Hi Present--jump right in--you will find this is a good group of people to bounce your prosseses off of--except for CJ--she's been a bit sketchy lately! :D

Connie, I am sorry to hear about the cataracts--Hope you progress through this quickly--meanwhile--you do have that Roy Orbinson kind of charm going on! :D

Everybody remember that this is a two week session so take your time and get a real feel for your chosen project--no need to rush.

Cathie Jones
04-26-2005, 06:03 PM
Hi Present--jump right in--you will find this is a good group of people to bounce your prosseses off of--except for CJ--she's been a bit sketchy lately! :D

I heard that! :eek:

Great SKETCH, Connie . . . I think it looks like you! Good luck with your recovery!

04-26-2005, 06:17 PM
Congrats DEB!!!! I am proud of you, you are such a talented artist!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

JayD, The ears are burning but I did not do a good job. :( I'll keep a trying till I can't get up.(literally)

Hi Present, so glad you are joining us! :clap:

Connie, Good portrait! Recovery quickly! :)

Hi Dave and CJ! :wave:

04-26-2005, 06:23 PM
Here are my old ones for future reference once I get a current one done. The oldest one is a doodle I did during a convention. The other two are as well, they where done as accent ideas for a layout that didn't materialize.

I'll try, but to do at least one realism. I tend to lean more toward cartoony with humans... Its mainly because I a bit 'afraid' to draw humans. I'll try to sit in front of a mirror and do this, or from a web cam pic. All the photos of me ar at least 3-4 years old. I'm usually the one behind the camera! (Or they come out too blurred for reference use.)

04-26-2005, 06:31 PM
Hi Crys :wave:
These are very nice! I know you can do a realism one as well!

04-26-2005, 07:45 PM
Hey crystal--the first one is reminescent of the cartoons of Charles Adamms. Not the Adamms family ones but some of his others.

Judi--did you post your cp--I would love to see it--if not send it over pm! :)

04-26-2005, 09:52 PM
This was very spontenous approach. I grabbed piece of paper, ball pen, found the closest mirror and did it in 10min. This is how I see myself! I remember my mother said I have a smile from ear to ear - I think she was right!!!
Jay - you made me do it and I thank you for this. This is my first selfportrait ever! I love it - every time I look at it I laugh at myself.
Girls I think I need eyelift - would never know :eek:


04-26-2005, 10:03 PM
Jolanta :wave:
Nice sketch! 10minutes, WOW. Nice smile! :)
Hard to believe you have never done a self-portrait!
I did one early last year. I'll have to dig it up.

04-26-2005, 10:33 PM
Jo, I am surprised too. I imagined that an artist of your caliber would be whipping out self portraits left and right. Judging from your avatar you have a beautiful face that screams to be drawn. Judging from the way you hold your head (european old style or in this country, antebellum) I supect that you have very good posture--staight and properly placed (the make up artist in me). Thank you for this 10 minute sketch--you have shown the purpose of this class which is not to do a deadpan piece but to instill in it your own personality. A self portrait is not a copy of your face--it is an expression of a piece of your personality. For 10 minutes--a wonderful sketch and totally in keeping with the spirt of this class.

Deb Leger
04-26-2005, 10:56 PM
Regarding the watercolour painting, Stacy (the little bird :wink2: ), thanks! Dave, too! (I had some other paintings I would have liked to enter instead but only had two done up in slides and when I received the notice along with my 'membership info package' it was due only days away. So that was it for this year's show. Thanks Jay! CJ, thanks but it's not going to win any prizes. Being accepted is the prize for me. Wait until you see some of the work that's going to be there! (I'll post some pics.) Love my new name, by the way. (Where's Joe these days?) Judi, thanks very much for the comments, too.

I must be the only one who shudders at the thought of a self-portrait!

Barbara, can't wait to see the one you did last year! (I found one I did when I started reading "Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain". I'm way too embarrassed to show it. :D )

Dave, your comment about Brad Pitt cracked me up! Can't wait to see yours! :evil:

Peter, great portrait! I remember seeing that as your avatar. Is that hat an akubra?

Bon, as always you do wonderful work!

and Judi, now that you mention it, yes Peter does look like Harry Morgan! We're going to have a gallery full of stars, aren't we?

Sults, I like your new avatar! And yes, I can sure see Gina Davis in there! (I don't look like any movie star. Just ---- the girl next door. What a curse! :p ) Hope you're feeling okay. Thanks for the heads-up on Judi - it's all I can do to keep caught up in this forum so I don't get around much on WC.

JayD, you have plans of dying??? I can honestly say I've never thought of that. Meathead and Burt? Very cute! Especially if you're talking of Burt with just that rose. :angel:

CJ, can't wait to see those sketches! :evil:

Stacy, you chirpy little bird! :D

Present, welcome to the group! Post away!

Connie, for someone just having had cataract surgery, you did awesome! Don't strain those eyes!!! In no time, you'll be back up and seeing bright, much more vivid colours and reading a mile a minute. My Mom was scared silly of getting her's done then after the first was done, she couldn't wait to get the second one done. Hope your recovery is smooth sailing.

Crystal, hi! Finally, someone who shares my fear at doing these portraits! :wink2: I like your middle one best. I think if you were to work on that one, it'd look great.

Jolanta, love your spontaneous approach! Ten minutes! Wow! I'm in awe!!


04-26-2005, 11:12 PM
Thank you Jay. I don't know how you can see my feet by looking at my face but you got it right. I have a great posture. All I need to do is keep the chin up, shoulders back and tommy in through all my life - haha. You are very kind and make me feel sooo good. Thanks to you we are learning not just how to draw but a lot about life. THANKS and keep going.....

04-26-2005, 11:37 PM
A couple of things that I know about you--you are from Poland as I recall (old European)--the antebellum comment refers to the old south which are directly connected culturally to Europe from the colonial days (the south didnt just have a convention and make up all of those rules about courtesy--came from Europe). The postures is easy--the tilt of the head and the and the way that you hold out your chin (proud, very precise) tells me that your posture is good. All simple stuff. Just observation. Thank god, I was right!!! :D

Deb--When I die--my body will be anonymously mailed to a woman of the church meeting somewhere in the south--the shock on their faces when they open the package! :evil: Alternatively, my wife plans on having me cremated and will keep me in a dustbuster! :D You only have one life, Deb--enjoy it with humor! :)

04-26-2005, 11:51 PM
Deb--When I die--my body will be anonymously mailed to a woman of the church meeting somewhere in the south--the shock on their faces when they open the package! :evil: Alternatively, my wife plans on having me cremated and will keep me in a dustbuster! :D You only have one life, Deb--enjoy it with humor! :)
Ha-ha-ha JayD :D

Hey you guys, We need some stars for the thread!!!!!-besides ourselves! :D

04-27-2005, 12:10 AM
Hi everyone :wave:
Jolanta nice fast portrait & I agree what a great smile.
Connie that is nice rendering too.
Well it seems this is the month for waiting rooms for me. My poor DBF had an accident on the job today. He was wheeling the paving roller off his trailer and it caught on something and tipped over he jumped off free except for his foot (yes the one I drew). He has a swollen foot as big as pillow now, Jay. It is not what broke though, he broke 3 of his toes. That roller could of crushed his leg. He was so lucky. Anyways, were home now and he has his foot propped up high with bandage, till the swollen goes down and he gets a cast.

Anyways, I drew while waiting but not myself. I drew an eye so I will be posting it in Dees thread for the Armin eye.

04-27-2005, 06:37 AM
Injuries are never a joking matter, Sults. Please convey to him our sympathies. I hope this does not put him out of commission as far as his work goes.

04-27-2005, 06:45 AM
Awww Sults, I hope BF's foot mends quickly! :(

I did find my self portrait I did last August b4 101. It'll be interesting to see if there is improvement, should I do a recent portrait here.

Have a great day All! :wave:

04-27-2005, 08:59 AM
Wow Judi that is really good but of course you must draw another you. We want to see how much you have improved your drawing skills remember? Hey, it can be any age and you can draw a figure of you too Jay said.

Ty Jay, I know I am not joking about his foot I am just saying it is huge. He will be off work for no more than a week he said. We will see what the doctor says. :) I think he will be off longer but I am not arguing with him right now.

Crystal I am sorry, I saw your selfportrait and very good also.

04-27-2005, 09:04 AM
Judi--very nice and I really love the hair. Check the proportions of the eyes and make sure they are the same size. Since this is a two week project, I hope you are going to develop this further. Start with the eyes and work outward--emphasis on deeper values.

Sults--tell him "chin up, smile and put his best foot forward!" :D

Anita Murphy
04-27-2005, 09:08 AM
What a super bunch of self-portraits.
Jolanta - did you do the five minute drawing challenge on the portrait gallery? I love the life in your drawing.

Mine so far - something wrong as its not quite me but can't pin down what is wrong.

04-27-2005, 09:17 AM
Anita I thought that was you, your soooo pretty, very good gf. Are you going to do an oil of this also like you did of your son?

Jay, lol, men are such babies when they are sick or hurt. I will tell him what you said he will get a KICK out of it. :evil:

04-27-2005, 09:28 AM
Present--is your name Anita? I think I missed something--you have beautiful features. I like the modeling of the hair and the working of the face--you should develop this some more--I woul suggest softening the hard line on the outer edge of the nick--I would like to see you rework this in the medium of your choice if you get the time.

Sults, in case he gets mad, I am getting a restraining order that will order hime to keep away at a distance of 17 feet! :D

04-27-2005, 12:17 PM
Hi Sults :wave: , better tell Carmello to watch his step! LOL
Thanks but the portrait is not good IMO. I do not know that I will be doing a recent self or not yet.

JayD :wave: , I will not be further developing the posted portrait. I just put it in here for giggles. I did it last August and am not counting it towards this class.

Anita :wave: ! looking grand so far! :clap: :clap:

04-27-2005, 06:56 PM
JayD asked me to x-post this portrait here as well. Since I hadn't participated so far I didn't think I could.

Size is A4, 70 g/m2 paper (unfortunately) 6B - 6H wooden pencils, few strokes of mechanical (.5 HB) in the hair.

I don't know if I'll be brave enough to do the shirt, although it's a bit tempting.

What did I learn? Use better paper.

As always C&C not only highly welcome but needed.

04-27-2005, 07:31 PM
Haven't been around for a bit, but I had to jump in and say CONGRATS!!! to Hoochie Mama :clap: :clap: :clap: That is awesome!

Lots of good starts! :clap: My avatar is my one and only attempt at a self portrait. Did it about 2 years ago in pastels. I really liked it, but no one else did. :(

I am starting a little late on this lesson and want to finish the potter's hands I started last week, so it will probably be next week before I post anything.

I will however try to get on-line and follow this lesson a little more closely than the last one. :D

Apologies to all for the lack of acknowledgements/comments. :cat:


04-27-2005, 07:53 PM
Hi Reinhard! :wave: So glad you posted for us! This is looking wonderful in likeness! I think it needs some more values, but is great so far. I think you should do the shirt to set it off, too much white. Once you get into the rhythm of the squares, you'll find yourself speeding along! I will look forward to seeing this again! All your work is great and enjoy viewing it!

Hey Joe :music:
Oh I have missed singing that to you! :D
Potters hand's? Last class?
I always liked your Avatar a lot, was not sure if that was you, know we know-----and you're green and orange :eek: ! :D

04-27-2005, 08:24 PM
I need to get something off my chest! Few months ago I was accepted to participate in the international show at the University Medical Center at Princeton. I build the crate and entered 5 pieces. They send me invitation to the opening - I didn't go, didn't want to leave my cat alone - priorities!!!
The show is over now and they are shipping work back. I got my crate back today but 2 of my pieces are gone! One of them is my favorite piece. I call it "signature drawing" because somehow I inserted my face (30 years younger) in it so I am very much emotionally attached to it. Since I didn't get any notification about sell I have no idea what happened. I called them and left the message. I am so proud and frustrated at the same time. I hope they sold it. If you want to see it here it is - done in graphite and resembles me a lot - long time ago.
Let's have another sip of good red vine - it suppose to be good for you!!!

04-27-2005, 08:26 PM
I am so upset I don't know how to spell wine!

04-27-2005, 08:34 PM
Ohhhh Jolanta (I love that name-what does it mean?)
She (YOU) is absolutley a dream! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I hope you have sold them and they are not lost!
Can you show us your other entries? How exciting that must be to have your work displayed!
Please let us know what you hear from them.

04-27-2005, 09:07 PM
Jolanta I know well that portrait. I have in my drawing table always (I printed it when you posted in Portraiture), :confused: do you mind?, I love that.
How many beautiful portraits all of you are doing. I am taking more time that I wanted with mine.

04-27-2005, 09:09 PM
Judi - you are soooo sweet!
My name, what it means - I have no idea!!!
Here are two more of my entries - Jay I hope you don't mind :wink2:
Thank you for listening to me - I will find out what happened. Work was insured so it shouldn't be a waste. I will let you know.

04-27-2005, 09:14 PM
Hoochie mama LOL Congrats hun. :)
So many fantastic portraits here,I can't name ya'll or my fingers would fall off and so ill just say you all are doing awesome. :clap: :clap:
Well guess ill turn myself into an elf or snake for JayD. :D :p

04-27-2005, 09:20 PM
Jolanta, Mmmmm ....the eyes--the expression of the first one! These are fabulous!
Thank you for sharing!

Peter :wave: , don't feel bad, I haven't even started mine.

Hi Bon! :wave: How's things on the other side of the world?

04-27-2005, 09:29 PM
Judi, I am not feeling bad, just only HORRIBLE!. Very busy at work, have to finish 2 more drawings in a few days for 2 locals Art Shows (I dont know what to do....) and the selfp. :crying: Now I only want some time for sleep :D

04-27-2005, 09:33 PM
Judi - I got his eyes just right. I call it "Stare". No matter where you put him he is following you everywhere. This is something really special about his expression. Thank you. I feel better now. There is nothing better than good friends!
Show us your face. Don't hide behind somebody else. I know you are BEAUTIFUL! It's not about out appearance it's about our personality - and yours is exceptional!!!

04-27-2005, 09:36 PM
Aww peter you can do it you :clap: can do it :clap:
Whats sleep?? :D
Connie hope you recover fast hun.And you did a good likeness :clap:
Jolanta Love your portraits. :clap:

04-27-2005, 09:41 PM
Thanks, Bon. I dont know if I can do, the real thing is "I HAVE TO DO!"

04-27-2005, 09:58 PM
Thank you Peter - I don't mind at all. I had a very nice response when I posted this first time. Try to relax and get lost in creating. To me drawing is the best way to get lost in my perfect world and forget about anything else.
You can catch up with sleep when you retire! How about that?
Bon - thank you. I love to do people and never get tired of drawing them. It's not easy to sell portraits but I don't care I just love to draw them. I hope I don't starve one day!

04-27-2005, 10:18 PM
Jolanta, That is my face in my avatar. Scared JayD when I first put it in, he called it Boo-atar. Almost took it back out-LOL. Thanks for the very nice compliment.. Personality...well ask my oldest about that, we had a few words tonite (but all is well). Just trying to raise him right (he's 24-LOL).
Jolanta-you will never starve. :)

Hey Peter-Do you do art for a living?

04-27-2005, 10:28 PM
I always thought this is your face but you said something about hiding behind other face and got me confused and dissapointed. Or maybe I got it all wrong - I cannot trust my brains anymore lol. Don't worry about your kids. With mom like you they will be close to perfect hehe!

04-27-2005, 10:38 PM
Yes Judi, I do art for living and I have to work to make money (not in Art).

04-27-2005, 10:42 PM
Jolanta, I was just joking earlier in the class that I really looked like Cameron Diaz and put this pic in so no one would be jealous-sorry to have confused you.

04-27-2005, 11:58 PM
My wife--bless her heart--has decided that the keyboard on my laptop needed cleaning and now I lost the letters D (again) and P(which I now have to Pound with my finger) and the number 2. This is driving me nuts. Well I am back up and running--so hopefully I can work.

Jolanta, that is a face to fall in love with. Beyond Beautiful, almost ethereal. You must have had a lot of beaus.

Dont worry about those other posts--you were showing us portraits and I just assumed they were all self portraits at various stages of your life! :evil: :D It is no problem. :)


04-28-2005, 12:13 AM
Wowwww Jolanta I agree this is sooo very elegant and beautiful of you. I love the hair style too. Do you remember the Grecian look with the knot on the head? I am trying to remember the name of that style. It reminds me of that. Women would bend over bring the long hair forward twist it and then tie a knot with the end and then let it fall in a poofy look. Your hair style is not the same but it has the same elegance to it.
I like the other portraits the last one has so much detail. I just wanted to ask you if you know about the show American Idol here in the States. let me know if you would like to see the site I will pm it to you. You have rendered a older looking Constantine Maroulris who just was voted off :( in your 2nd portrait. The resemblence is uncanny. If you want to see his pic its on the site.

You will do well Peter hey you sold a Tusanami pic so quick.

04-28-2005, 06:08 AM
Jolanta, I have "googled" your name and came up with this:

" Jolanta

A violet flower. Also see Violet and Iolanthe.

Origin: Polish

Alternatives: Jolanda (Italian), Yolande (French), Yolanthe.

Nicknames: - "

Cathie Jones
04-28-2005, 08:54 AM
Good morning Basic people.

I'm still around, but not productive. Seems that coming home from vacation is bad for me. :evil: Last Sept we came back from England and I got an awful bug that turned into a chronic sinus problem. This time the sinuses are bad again, and I have such a racking cough I'm sore all over. Going to the Dr today in the hopes that I can get better and join this class.

Not that I'm all that anxious to do a self-portrait, you understand. :eek:

Everyone is doing great. Jolanta, I love that self-portrait and hope it's sold, not missing!! Insurance doesn't cover emotional attachment!

Oops - forgot to say there are some Tahiti pics on my web site now -
American Rag (http://www.americanrag.com) there's a link about half-way down the home page.

04-28-2005, 09:12 AM
Hope you get to feeling better soon cathie.
Well i'm just playing around with this one. :p :D :p .Took me about 20 minutes.

04-28-2005, 11:03 AM
:( Oh Bon, you need to go to the dentist ... :D
Reinhard, hope you do the shirt.
Yes Judy, I was very lucky, it was sold in a few hours.

04-28-2005, 04:04 PM
Bon, you really don't want me to sleep peacefully, or does this vampire only go for young and "juicy"? Then I would be safe. Nice fast drawing :clap:
Peter, I'll be working on it.

Mary Woodul
04-28-2005, 04:47 PM
Hi everyone! Got back last night so I am way behind on everything but I was admiring some nice portraits and Jolanta, hope you get yours back, it is beautiful and it shows your beauty also.

Deb..... :clap: :clap: :clap: , I'm so happy for you. :D

Sults, after the real portrait I'll do my child portrait with the trike.

Judi, I had already done a little surgery in my self portrait doing it in the mirror but the truth is I don't think that works as well because I look too severe. I guess the tension of trying to draw myself shows. So I guess I'll take a picture and draw from that. :mad:

JayD, your write up is just excellent and I am going to print it as a reference while I'm drawing. Thank you for going to so much work for us. BTW, I lost my letter D once cleaning my last keybord too. :mad: :wave:

04-28-2005, 05:53 PM
CJ :wave: Hope you feel better soon.

Bon, That is wonderful. :clap: :clap:
Do ya bite?

HI Mary! :wave: Welcome back-I hope you had a wonderful time! What did you do?
My self-portrait was done loking in the mirror when I had gotten Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. Severe, yeh kind of for me too, too much concentration takes away from the naturalism of it. (except for our pro Jolanta who can draw looking in the mirror and smile from ear to ear). Are you going to show your 'severe' drawing? I had Pat take a couple of pics of me, and I still am not even happy with that. I hate having my pic taken.

04-28-2005, 06:02 PM
The mistery is solved. They sold one (the girl) to the collector and University decided to buy another one to include in their permanent collection. They think my work is very good! Yoooohooo! I am soo happy!

Jay - thanks for all complements. I was riding on my face all my life - now I have to find some other good assets to ride on if I have any???

Reinhard - thanks for the minning of my name. This is my favorite color! And flower - I don't mind to have this name at all.

Sults - I had similar experience not long time ago. I was showing my work in the restaurant and a lady from another state contacted me and said - the girl in my drawing looks just like her daughter when she was young and she wanted to buy it. When she came to my house to pick it up she got another one she liked too. Talking about happy coincidences or plainly luck!

CJ - it is sold and I feel like part of me is gone. I swear!!!

Bon - I like your drawing I can see the expression of wild animal in her - not easy thing to do. Good job

Mary - thanks a lot.

I would like to see more faces here.........

04-28-2005, 06:09 PM
Jolanta, congratulations for the sale and glad that the mystery of the missing drawings has been positively solved.

04-28-2005, 06:15 PM
Hi everyone :wave:
CJ ohhh I hope you feel better. Its such a downer to get sick after such a great time. You know my mom always said we need a vacation from the vacation. Always come back home & unwind.

Hiyas Mary, I hope you do yourself on that bike I think that would be so precious to do a silohette of you now & the lil girl in the corner as one whole piece with a cloudy background. I told Judi not sure in a pm or on the phone that I wanted to do myself with my lil girl face with a me now & the lil girl in the upper corner. Only, I am like Judi I don't like my recent photos to do.
Plus I take so darn long. I still am fidigiting with the Armin eye that I changed to my eye since I am looking in the mirror to fix it.

So Judi I may be sending you a couple more pics of me to help me choose. How come you have not sent the ones Pat took of you so I can choose one for you? (inserts hands on hips smiley here).

Oh and Jolanta, I remembered the hairstyle name too. The Gibson.

04-28-2005, 06:38 PM
So Judi I may be sending you a couple more pics of me to help me choose. How come you have not sent the ones Pat took of you so I can choose one for you? (inserts hands on hips smiley here).
Well, I don't really like them Sults. But I just remembered one from two years ago, It's Pat's favorite. I'll send it to ya :p

04-28-2005, 07:27 PM
Has anyone posted this lesson in pdf yet? I'm just getting ready to start and 10 posts with all those graphics is a bit much to printout one at a time.

Jolanta - CONGRATS on the saless !! :clap: :wave: :clap:


04-28-2005, 07:43 PM
Yes Judi and I still have my real teeth. :p
reinhard whats wrong??I was just yawning LOL :D :p
Awesome work eveyone. :clap: :clap:

04-28-2005, 07:48 PM
Jolanta! :wave: I am so happy your drawings sold...and not lost! :clap: :clap:

Joe, I don't think the pdfs have been made yet.

Just teasing ya Bon! :)

04-28-2005, 08:00 PM
Jolanta congrats. :clap:
Oboy I sure hope you teasing me our you might be the first that gets bit. :D

Deb Leger
04-28-2005, 09:20 PM
Has anyone posted this lesson in pdf yet? I'm just getting ready to start and 10 posts with all those graphics is a bit much to printout one at a time.

Jolanta - CONGRATS on the saless !! :clap: :wave: :clap:


It's coming Joe, I'm working on it now and should have it off to Ann and CJ later tonight.


(I'm glad you find them useful!)

04-28-2005, 09:34 PM
Thank you all! This recognition came in just right time. Lately I was doing just about anything else but art. Now I have to do some catching up. Boy I hate the marketing part of it!
PS - still waiting for some nice faces to admire - commmonnnn I want to know who I am talking to

04-28-2005, 09:41 PM
Jo, I meant the comments but let me wrap it up with this--the face is but a fleeting moment, a fellow traveler, a blinking companion down the road of life. The real beauty of any artist is not from the face but from the hand because the hand is the physical conduit of our souls imparting messages from our heart to a blank piece of paper. You are already there, Jo. That is real beauty.

04-28-2005, 10:00 PM
I'll second that JayD-Jolanta-you are THERE!

JayD I want to quote Sults here:
and I second that as well!

04-28-2005, 10:48 PM
Jay - you are a poet too! You will have to talk to me like this every day, or every other to keep me straight :evil:
Thanks Judi - it's not as easy as it looks but it's worth all the hard work. You know, once you learn basics and you know what you are doing is a great feeling to look at the subject and say "I can do it - no problem" and really enjoy it.

Anita Murphy
04-29-2005, 05:29 AM
Jolanta - congrats on the sales!

Going to have another go at this but in profile. Have idea of painting myself as version of Madame X by Sargent - but my profile drawing leaves a lot to be desired so good excuse to practice here.

Anita Murphy
04-29-2005, 08:45 AM
Sleepless night - extra drawing time!

Mary Woodul
04-29-2005, 12:00 PM
Hi everyone! Well just a quick note to tell you my hard disk burned out and will be ready pretty soon. Will continue working on my "severe" portrait. :eek: :D :wave:

04-29-2005, 12:58 PM
Everyone's work is just great!!! Too many to mention as I'm so far behind but Jolanta again, congratulations! You work is just beautiful and I'm glad that it is getting the recognition it deserves.

The living room and den have now had the carpet stripped and painted. Moving the furniture around was the hardest part lol. Now the dining room is next. I haven't drawn a thing except a sketch of a rose and know I am missing so much.

Cathie hope you are feeling much better by now!

Jay, Mary, hope your computers again become in tip top shape soon!

I'll be back again sometime this weekend to see what has been happening.


04-29-2005, 04:06 PM
Sorry to bother you again with my portrait but there were so many suggestions and recommendations for improvement. So here it is with all the changes.This is an x-post from my thread "my first self portrait" in dD&S as well.

04-29-2005, 05:28 PM
Hi mary.Don't ya hate it when your computer crashes grrr.
reinhard wow a fantastic improvement. :clap:

04-29-2005, 05:31 PM
Bon, thanks a million. You're too kind.

04-29-2005, 06:28 PM
Ann, Glad it is going well, we miss ya here.

Mary, Hope you're computer is fixed soon.

Reinhard :wave: ,
Bon is right, the improvement is fantastic!
:clap: :clap:

04-29-2005, 06:36 PM
Sleepless night - extra drawing time!
Girl Friend you did this in one night? your fast and this is really nice.

Ann your home sounds like it is getting alot done and will you have pics for us to see the b4 & after?

Hi Mary, hope your computer is ok soon. Your severe????? portrait? lol :confused:

Reinhard you improve everyday.

Hiyas Bon & Judi :wave:

Jolanta congrats on the sales even though you wish a certain one did not sell. At least you have a copy of it. I did a painting I loved and my ex lost it when we divorced. He begged me to keep it and I like a fool let him have it and then he just let it go (knowing how much I put into the painting). Sad thing is I never photographed it either.

04-29-2005, 07:11 PM
Judy, thank you but I had so much help from the forum that it was inevitable.
Sults, I practice every day and I try to listen to my friends and then incorporate their recommendations and suggestions. So I have to get better.

04-29-2005, 07:22 PM

Present - good job. The eye is overworked - too dark and not clear. What I mean is good to use sharp tip of pencil or mechanical pencil to draw the eye in this scale. It's small place and needs a lot of details. So next time you know... The hand looks not finished and I don't know if you didn't know how or you just quit. Other than this is a great work for sleepless night.

Ann - thank you so much - you are something else - mixing art with remodeling. Once you finish the house you can draw your face. It's all about painting different things right?

Reinhard - that's it. It's perfect. It cannot get any better than this. I love what you did to the shirt. Simplyfied and the texture is great.
Now what next???

Sults - thanks - yes, I am very attached to the sold drawing. Hey - maybe I can do it again? No, somehow the first one is always the best one maybe because I can put in it my heart once only -second time is just repetition and I think will show.

04-29-2005, 07:44 PM
Jolanta, not the least thanks to your help the drawing got to where it is right now. :wave: :wave: :wave: It appears that I now have an acceptable avatar.
What next? I'm contemplating entering the "Armin eye challenge" just to see how close I can get. Additionally I will want to try my hand at Regina and Gisela again. I hope to be able to get these drawings to the same acceptable likeness as I have in my portrait. There is such a loooooooong way to go.

04-29-2005, 08:26 PM
Hi Reinhard,
Was it a bit easier and faster with your portrait? You didn't need too much of my help! Are you going to work from the same ref.photos to do the ladies?
Great idea to do Armin's eye. We have to practice eyes all the time until we can do them with the eyes closed :D
This avatar looks much better - the other one was scarying me all the time LOL!

Anita Murphy
04-29-2005, 11:15 PM
Sultry and Jolanta - thank you very much.

Jolanta, any tips are really welcome. I must get some harder pencils - my hardest is HB, and I need some in the H range. I didn't finish the hand on purpose but may work on it some more. The eye doesn't seem quite right which is why it is overworked - is it in the right position?

04-29-2005, 11:33 PM
You should probably pick yourself up a complete set at some time or the the other. I like the Wolff's pencils (made in Merry Old England) and the Prismacolor grahite sets. I have some Derwents that I am fond of as well.

04-30-2005, 06:22 AM
Jolanta thank you so much for the comment. Yes, the drawing went a LOT faster, roughly 7-8 hours. What took most of the time was to get the shading correct, about the same amount of time again. But time well spent!
Yes, I wanted to do the portrait of Gisela and Regina from the same reference photo just to see the possible differences. Otherwise judging of progress would be too difficult (plus I can exchange the drawings on the wall and I won't be reminded all the time that "something is still off").
Ever since I saw Armin's work for the first time I wanted to try this. It will be an interesting learning experience.

04-30-2005, 07:54 AM
Good Morning Everyone :wave: :D It feels great to have the time to read the thread and look at the work.

Reinhard, you did great with the shading and the changes look fantastic. This is one to be proud of.

Hey Judi, Sults, Jolanta, I have one photo of the mess which I'll attach. I'll take an after pic once the drapery/wall hangings are up and share it. It is a lot of work and I have to rest frequently but oh it feels so much fresher in those rooms already lol. I've read where several people at Wet C. are doing the same thing, must mean it is Spring!

Jay, I'm not sure when I'll be able to start the portrait but I have chosen the photo I want to use. It shows all of life's markings plus the ravages of illness (no makeup). Also, I hadn't been awake long when I took this lol. Okay, that's my excuses for how I look and I'm sticking to them ha, ha :D

Jay, I have been asked to do a portrait of a young child so this class is sooo timely. Can I call on you all for a critique of the drawing before I start the painting or should I put it in a different thread? It will be at least another week before I even start it or the homework.

It is time to start the work day. I'll be back to check on the progress of everyone's work. Wishing you all a great day and swift and sure pencil work!


04-30-2005, 08:16 AM
present sorry for being so late in commenting. I was too selfcentered these last days :D :wave: I like what you have doen so far to your portrait. :clap: Is there a reference? I am "stumbling" a little bit over the right (your left) eyebrow and the far part of the upper lip. The eyebrow gives me the impression of going up a tad too much and the upper lip might be bit too prominent. But that's for the reference to show. It is just an impression I get when looking at this portrait. I checked it against my "styrofoam man" - see the shading photos at the beginning of this thread - and he agrees with me (but you know how men are , even when they are only styrofoam :evil: :D :evil: :D )

Anita Murphy
04-30-2005, 08:56 AM
Anne - who gave you a photo of my apartment????? :D

Rheinhard - thank you for your comments - I have posted the ref pic here. This is the first successful profile drawing I have done - they usually end up looking like obscure aliens! Your portrait is looking great.

Jay - I have SO many pencils you wouldn't believe - but all in the soft range from HB to 9B - from my art school days. Believe it or not, we only ever sketched and were never encouraged to "draw". Rebel that I was I ended up doing pencil and charcoal (with ink) drawings in the 5ft x 7ft size bracket. See avatar. You are right a full set of pencils would be lovely. Poor Me, off to the art store again!!!!!!!!! :evil: I do like the Derwents too and also Staedtler.

04-30-2005, 09:09 AM
present thank you for commenting on my portrait and thanks for posting the reference picture.
Please take a close look at the positioning of the right (your left) eye. It is too high. the brow and the eye itself. If you put a ruler and base it under the left (your right) eye, the eyes should be nearly parallel. In the drawing the right (your left) eye is sitting too high. Could it be that in the reference we see a little bit more of the eye?
The far side of the upper lip. The lip from the nose should come back a bit. What I think threw you off is some shading from the background which was interpreted as upper lip. If necessary check it with a divider.
And one more thing, I think to see that the nose is a bit too pointed and pointing too much up (if that's understandable). Should be brought down as well.
With these 2 minor changes the portrait will look even better. The likeness is there already, absolutely !!!

Anita Murphy
04-30-2005, 09:19 AM
Rheinhard - thank you so much for that. I had a feeling the eye was too high. As to my nose, I have suffered from it hugely throughout life. In fact my sister used to make me wear a clothes peg on it as a child as she said it was too big! Probably this always makes me draw it larger!!! :D It is the family nose, and can be seen on family portraits back 3 or 4 hundred years so I should be proud to have it.
Where did I put my dividers??????

04-30-2005, 11:53 AM
Hi Present,
Sorry, I ran out of ink and couldn't print your ref. and drawing so I can look at them side by side. That's the only way I can SEE! Now I have it and I can walk you through. Your problem started when you drew outline of your profile and then other things followed. OK. you gave yourself a Greek statue profile. Which means the forehead is turning into the bridge of the nose almost in the straight line. Look at the center of your face. When you go from the center of your forehead down you have a nice bend in the bridge of the nose in the photo. In the drawing you don't. Because of that you placed your right eye too close to the bridge in general proportions. Erase the left eye (Reinhard is right it is too high) bend the top of the nose more, erase your right eye completely (you are not happy with it anyway) and move it to our left to place it deeper. Draw the left eye again-make sure theangle of your forehead outline is correct. Add some more hair on the top of your head.
You did great job on your gorgeous jaw. I remember your face from somewhere here and was admiring your defined jaw. You are beautiful and since you put so much good work in it you can correct it easly. Use sharp pencil on the eye.
I am waiting for update and I know it will look great

04-30-2005, 12:09 PM
Hi All, :wave:
Anita, that is a lovely portrait. :clap: I see the 'Queen of Critique' (Jolanta's new title :D ) is going to guide you.
As for your nose, I don't think it is bad - you have beautiful features! Wait till you see my schnoggin' (attached) :D Mine is inherited from the hunky side of the family, and I have gotten attached to it over the years (although I would like to unattach it!)

Hi Ann, Spring cleaning-Wow-you really have a chore in front of you-will you post the after? It'll be just like watching HGTV! :)

Reinhard-you should be as proud as a peacock!
here's some more... :clap: :clap:

Hi JayD and Jolanta!

I did pic a pic to do. I'm going attempt to do it in pastels. The pic is not great, I had to use the lights in PSP8 to get my features to show up.

Edited to add lightened pic you asked for Jolanta.

04-30-2005, 12:24 PM
Hi Judi,
I love the turning pose in it. It's quite dark so if you could post the lighter version of it too it would help old me to see it. Brave and great idea to do it in pastels. You can use tinted light grey paper to help with shading if you like.
Got to go and do some cleaning. See you :wave:

Anita Murphy
04-30-2005, 03:27 PM
Jolanta - before I go any further - I want to see what you think so far. Does the eye need to come still lower?

04-30-2005, 06:26 PM
Hi everyone :wave:
Judi I do like that pic can't wait to see it done in pastels by you.
Jolanta I have done so many different sketches of myself (ask Judi) and I am going to settle with my profile pic (not avator) for now. So just to show you I am starting it now. Judi wanted me to do myself with short hair but this is how I look now.
Anita your pic gets better & better. Jolanta really does have good pointers to follow. By the way gf I do have a roman nose, ugh a bump that well I used to also be embarrassed about. You will not catch me taking side profile pics (inserts shaking head no smiley here). I think you have a pretty nose and nothing to fret about either.
By the way my paper is too big for scanner that is why its darker on the corner.

04-30-2005, 06:51 PM
Sults, I'll be watching this one closely :wave: :wave: :evil: :wave: :evil: :angel:

Anita Murphy
04-30-2005, 08:00 PM
Sults with a mouth like that you can get away with any nose! Talk about pretty girl - go look in the mirror!

04-30-2005, 08:08 PM
Present - Your SP is really looking good! :clap:

Sults - Looking good!! Great start on the likeness! :clap:


04-30-2005, 08:53 PM
Hi Present - is Anita your real name? All these fake names are confusing me.
This is much better already. Now listen carefully - the right eye looks very good, add abit of eyelishes on the upper lid only to open up some. After you do this both eyebrows will end up too low. Just move them sligtly higher. As far as level to my naked eye it's fine. Now you will have to add more hair on the top of head all the way to the front- this will add a lot to the likeness. Your hair next to the ear starts to grow lower-add some shading there. Darken shading at the bottom of the ear. Now the neck line is coming too much forward. You have to push it back almost 1/4" and of course you can finish the hand as the last. You should come up with very good likeness but don't keep it for yourself - show us your creation. :)

Sults - I like what I see very much. Are you doing this from the mirror? Your nose is very cute and what a mouth!

Reinhard you don't even know how much you already trained your eye. All this work will make you good and happy artist.

04-30-2005, 09:01 PM
Anita - you have hard edges where the hair meets the face. Blend and shade them to make smooth transition with values not strokes and check all the values again and adjust darks if you need it. Front of the neck for example is very dark because of shading from the hand.... you know.. just wanted to make sure....

Deb Leger
04-30-2005, 10:17 PM
Ann, CJ and Jay, I just mailed off the pdf for this lesson to you all. Hope it went through. Anyone who'd like it tonight before it goes on their sites can pm or email me and I'll send it out. I should be online for a while more. Then I"m off to draw. (Sorry I didn't get it done the other night Joe, as I said here - had trouble with the conversion causing graphics to jump around.)

Connie, I hope your eyes are doing well and healing good.

Sults, hope your boyfriend is doing fine also. Look at the good side - he'll have a holiday with you for a little while. (Hmmm, having a sick male around all day - IS that a good thing??? :confused: :wink2: ) Your sp sketch looks good. Will this be from your avatar?

Judi, your SP that you did in 2004 looks great! Just looking at it has taught me something about doing hair. Your reference pics look nice - can't wait to see your progress.

Anita (present), your SP's are wonderful! Great work!

Reinhard! Hi! As always, your portrait looks great - your work and words always inspire me. Thank you for sharing the lighting reference styrofoam heads with us! I've put them all into the pdf of this class.

Jolanta, I'm so glad that your missing work has been settled. You do such beautiful work! I'm thinking of trying out my SP in the charcoal like I did the folds for you a few lessons back. (If I get the time. These month-ends are such killers!) You posted two drawings of men - the first one is a real heart-throb and beautifully done. So is the second - he reminds me of someone (or something?)in one of the Star Wars movies.

Joe, Mary and Bon, thanks!

Judi, I like your avatar and I like how you put that you and your son "had words". I kinda had words with my oldest (he's 18) since he's just informed me that he won't need me after all, to go with him to order his tux for his prom. :crying: His friend will go instead. Now, how can my baby go order a tux without his mama there for guidance??? He laughed when I asked him that question. <sigh> :wink2:

CJ, hope you're feeling better!! I went to your links and looked at your Tahiti pics - what a beautiful place!!! Are you going to paint it?

Bon, that's a great vampire! Love the hair!

Mary, what a bummer about your hard drive - hope it's back up and running now.

Ann, hi! Your renovations sound exhausting, but it's going to look nice! Don't tire yourself out too much.

04-30-2005, 10:32 PM
Judi-a couple of tips regarding the photos--first print out the photo onto eithe satin or glossy finish photo paper. Second, print out a gray scale version on photo paper as well. Several reasons for this--values can be washed out by the photo process so you can lose a lot of depth in the picture. Also, keep in mind that you can only approximate true color with a photo and a printer. Always keep a mirror handy for reference as well.

Sults, thanks for posting the beginning of the picture--you do have beautiful features by the way--This early stage is allow us to see your process so keep posting--it is very interesting. :)

04-30-2005, 11:30 PM
Reinhard, lol, don't watch too closely, do not want to give you my bad habits. I do ty that you want to. :)

Anita, thank you but gf your very pretty & Judi and I were discussing the other day how pretty you are. :)

Jim, thanks and I just hope I can keep the likeness, ask Judi, I start ok and then wham I start going away from it. Umm, hope you do another self portrait soon, I know your avator is one but you have learned so much since that one.

Jolanta, no not a mirror I am using my profile pic and I have to tell you that is the first time I was told I have a cute nose. lol I think that is why I like to dress in my belly dancing outfit because I can cover the nose. lol Well tell you what I inherieted my nose & mouth from my father. I guess I had to get his good with his bad features. Only, on a man this nose looks better. I will say I am happy with my mouth though.

Deb, lol BF is well umm GRUMPY, just ask Judi, she hears it all the time my crying. poor Judi. No, he is doing better, I even changed his dressing and he took a long hard shower. Such a difference from a sponge bath on 6'1 man. lol
If this sp comes out ok, I will use it as my avator. I think everyone should who does a sp.

Jay your very welcome, well since I did say for everyone to post a ref pic and do wip, I guess I better too. Ok, Jay here is stage 2. I am not happy with my other eye at all. I think it is because I have to foreshorten it. I doing this freehand and measuring by my pencil. I do not own any dividers. :(
I used mech F 0.5 pencil to sketch it in. I used for dark shadow HB 0.7 mp. and light shadow the F mp. Blending with make up sponge & #4 flat paint brush. dabbing with kneaded eraser for highlights and reflective light. 140 lb wc paper.

I think I am only posting cuz Judi is gone all day. :( Hope you had a wonderful day with Pat & did you remember to save the soy sauce packets from your Chinese Dinner????? :evil:

04-30-2005, 11:38 PM
Sults, this looks extremely interesting. Keep at it. I have a make up kit--I should probably pulll some of my sponges out and play with them.

04-30-2005, 11:42 PM
Hey Jay, ok I already see my other eye is too darn high. Why can't I see that before I post? dang. Oh, my makeup sponges I got at the dollar store by the way. A bag of them the triangle kind. Walmart carries them too.

I am using my little circle technique (from Armin & JD Hillberry) and doing the circle strokes the way I told Ray to do his line contour strokes for class 6 on his cone. By doing this on each geo shape on my face I can get the features to pop out hopefully.

LQQKs Down and umm Anita, I think whatever works for you is what you should use. I am so slow and what I am doing is outlining all the geo shapes of the face and then looking how to shade them. I am slowly learning myself as I do it. So, by all means, if you have a certain way, do not change because of me. Your sp is really shaded nicely.

Anita Murphy
04-30-2005, 11:43 PM
Judy - thank you for the lovely compliment!
Ok - I don't understand how you guys do your method of drawing. When I posted some time ago - my first image of me, someone said I had started shading too early and I wasn't sure what they meant - seeing yours I understand! Lightbulb moment here. Not sure if I could work like that though. But it is very interesting to watch!

04-30-2005, 11:50 PM
Anita, your techniques should also be shared here. NO one way is the right way--the object of all of these classes is for you to go away thinking of different possibilities--allowing you to diversify. That is why I chose a Socratic approach when setting up these classes--continual shared dialogue leads to understanding of process which leads to the strengthing of personal technique. Secret formulae does not work here--share and share alike. Teach us all to be open to new ways of seeing and doing. Show us your process. :)

Sults, doing any kind of a picture is like assembling that kids swingset that you bought at the local Sears & Roebuck. Looks easy and you are sure that you have everything down until you start to actually assemble the thing. A portrait is a lot like that. Off elements make themselves known because the detail that you add forces them them out. Couple that with the fact that the more you continually work on a piece the less objective you will come until you step away and regroup. :)

Anita Murphy
05-01-2005, 12:02 AM
JayD - ROFL - my process is entirely hit and miss!

Deb Leger
05-01-2005, 04:22 AM
I was just over in Class 6 (and 5) to check out Sults' explanation on armin circles. Ray has done an awesome drawing of a spider there!! Now, I had a very difficult time even looking at the spiders as we did them but I kept looking back at this one. It tells a great story! :evil:

Here's the link if you want to see, just click here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233216&page=22&pp=15).


05-01-2005, 08:03 AM
Hi JayD, :wave:
That is a scan of a glossy. It's just a bad picture taken on a covered porch. Do you think I shouldn't use it?

Sults, Looking so much better!! :clap: :clap: Make-up sponges-great idea!

05-01-2005, 10:09 AM
Realizing if I don't get started, I just am not going to get done.
Using a small little t-square to pull the lines across, I have my rough draft here. I need to work a little more on the shape of my nose-rounding it out a bit more as it is IRL. There are a few other areas that need better defined as well. Also here is the indispensible greyscale.
I really like this little t-square tool I got at a local antique store. It was made in 1954 and the telephone number printed on it is '5-1241' --Something older than me! :D

05-01-2005, 10:23 AM
Wow Judi great job in measurements :clap: :clap: :clap: & so glad to see you again. :) I missed ya (can you tell???)
Hi Deb, isn't Ray's spider cool :cool:, I just wanted to say that I did not tell Ray to use the circle method but to use straight line strokes (thats the only difference in my sp and his cone he will do). I want to also say I am just guessing at this and not saying it is fool proof with the circles. All this could be thrown out the window (as Judi well knows I am good at starting over alot).
Your welcome Anita and I do hope you share your technique with us.
Ann I am sorry I forgot to comment on your sp picture and that is a great one it has alot of contrast and shows your great features well. Your very attractive and is that your room now? Do you have a b4 that pic too? Would like to see the whole change effect when you complete it. :)

Well off to Walmart and to the hospital for Carmelo's xrays for his doctor appt tomorrow.

05-01-2005, 10:57 AM
Before I continue working in the selfport. I will like to show how it is going, What do you think?. Still have to work in eyes and face.

05-01-2005, 01:36 PM
Hi Judi--good deal on the glossy photo--I just dont recomment drawing directly from a monitor as it is extremely bad for your eyes. I see a lot more detail with your gray scale photo--I hope that you can see the advantage of having one around. Regarding the square--VERY COOL!

Peter, good start--you look a bit like Peter Sellers. Your eyes are slightly crossed in the drawing but I think you already said that you are going to fix that. It is looking really good so far.

05-01-2005, 03:07 PM
Hi JayD :wave: , I was pretty pleased to see the detail in the greyscale myself. I don't think I would draw from the monitor-I stare at one all week. :(
I think the t-square is pretty cool myself. Just had picked it up as a momento of drafting days gone by ($4.00) and now I see how adventageous it will be when working most especially on the sketchpad. I wondered if it was 'cheating', and figured if I showed it you would certainly say so if in fact it was.

Peter :wave: -great start. I see a bit of Howard Cosell as well. You really are a big Star! :D

Guys, Went to the Art Center (at the duck house :D ) this afternoon and saw some absolutley beautiful work by a local lady named Shirley Gaynor. Her graphite work was out of this world! Actually all of her work was beautiful. Colored pencil (ya should have seen it JayD-she didn't even use solvents and the work was so-o-o smo-o-o-th!), Combination pencil and CP, watercolor, watercolor/pencil, acrylics, oil, oil/pallete w/ putty knife and scratchboard. I am so-o-o inspired. I also took the opportunity to look for any local art groups. There really are none, but there may be an active one right over the mountain. Cross your fingers for me everybody!
Her work ranged from $150 for the scratchboard to $1200 for a most stunning graphite. Well, needless to say I didn't buy one. But she did offer one of her graphites in blank greeting cards-so I did get that.
Just a great afternoon!

05-01-2005, 04:59 PM
Judi, we are past the point where the mechanical toys are forbidden and you folks may use whatever blows your whistle. Heck, You can take a Giant stamp pad full of ink, slam your face into that and then transfer it in the same manner onto bristol board. :D

My opinion, and this is where the arguement ends, dont using tracing at this stage but you can use anything else--projectors, grids, mimes, bengal tigers whatever--but the argument--dont bring it here--not welcome. The word "cheat" is forbidden. It is an unfair reference and sweats of the stink of elitism. Drawing is not a math test. I hate math.

You guys know me--I am pretty lax on the rules but arguments such as these just keep you from doing what you should be doing--drawing.

Sorry, Judi--its ok to use the T-Square. :D

05-01-2005, 05:20 PM
Jay I am so glad you said that we can use tools. I really feel that all the tools do is make it faster for us to draw. I drew my pic with out any ruler but used a pencil to measure from. I really think no one can really get a likeness unless they measure the distance of geo shapes of anything they draw. So, I want to get tools that will make it faster for me.
Another thing, even after the sketch is drawn it will be contoured shaded by hand by the artist and no tool will come help them to do that but not one artist is alike so, in my opinnion no matter how we draw it, it is unique.
I am glad you started us out freehand it was a very good way for us to learn to use are eyes to see what is there in geo shapes. I appreciate the GEO SHAPES now. :cat:

Peter wow your sp looks great and your almost done too.

Judi glad you had a great afternoon, sounds like your having a wonderful weekend with yesterday & today. :) You deserve it gf. My fingers are all crossed for you too. ~~~ Check your pms. :cat:

05-01-2005, 06:01 PM
Sults, just remember that it IS ok to drawing using a bengal tiger--probably not smart--but ok! :D

Yeah, I wanted people to throw away the gizmos for the time being--remember that at one time you were not allowed to use mechanical pencils--you all now know that if your Draw a ma thing a scope is accidently lost in luggage and rerouted to Anchorage, Alaska, that you CAN finish a pretty decent drawing without it.

05-01-2005, 06:40 PM
Peter, after a day away from my computer and easel I come and see you portrait. Good start. Could I see a reference? I'm not completely sure about the eyes (shape and postioning). But you did an awesome job on that shirt. What a patience !!!!!!!

There is on little thing I wanted to share with you. We had friends over today and I showed them my recent avatar portrait. Both, who know art to some degree, thouth initially that it was a photo (me sitting here gloating :D :D :D ).

05-01-2005, 06:53 PM
Sorry to use the 'C' word :eek: (backing up into corner being forced there by the bengal tiger) :crying: :( :D :p

You're right on Sults, my rough only took a half hour sitting on the couch-had I been at my desk-well -- it would have been faster. :)

05-01-2005, 06:53 PM
Thankyou Reinhard. Looking at your shirt made me transform a plain white shirt in all that mess, it looks much better in the drawing, silly scanners.
For me your portrait looks better than the photo.

05-01-2005, 07:13 PM
Peter, you're too kind, thanks.
BTW, how often did you condemn me when drawing that shirt? I know that I questioned myself more than once having agreed to do the shirt. I do agree however that the shirt looks so much better than just in plain white.

05-01-2005, 07:50 PM
Judi - you will have to recheck the mouth. To me the upper lip is bending just the oposite way than in your drawing. Thanks for my new title. :)
Peter - when I looked at your drawing I had to smile. I was thinking he is going around the face finishing everything around it I wander why??? :D
Now I understand, you were just excited about doing shirt and you did it first.

I can see some interesting discussion is developing here about using tools and measuring and speeding up. Two stories came to my mind. Let me share.
I have a very good and young student in portrait class. She was doing baby face in pencil from the photo (we didn't have a baby model available) :D She was measuring everything using pencil, toothpick, baby's eye as a measuring tool...name it and still was way off. I let her do it until I could see she was getting all frustrated. All of the sudden I had an idea. I made her erase all of it and said "why don't you try to use your eye only and see what will happen". I didn't have a clue what will happen but we were learning so... she looked at me funny but said OK and started to draw. The only thing I did was make her look very good and very often at the ref. and compare by eye distances. She did it first time correctly and much faster than before using all the tools. She was soooo surprised she couldn't believe it. I was very happy too and not too suprised because I tried the same thing with my work and it worked. I know she is good with seeing but our eyes can be trained very fast and we will never know until we try.
Here is another story - Not long time ago I took a workshop with Daniel Greene - top class portrait artist. He was doing presentation painting portrait in oil. I don't work in oil but I knew just watching one of the best will be very beneficial for me no matter what the medium. Believe it or not he was drawing proportions and placement of features with thin brush (looked just like sketch) for 3 hrs. He was checking and rechecking endlessly. Finaly close to the end he applied first colors all over and said." Tomorrow the first thing I will do is redrawing and rechecking everything before I do anything else." Well, this class of the artist and he is painting all his life and he is in his 80 and still doesn't even try to speed up. He knows if he will have wrong placements no matter what he will do after will never make up and correct it. These are two different stories about the same thing. It is up to us which way we will go and how good we are. The end result which is perfect likeness will hopefully proof to us if we are on the right track.

05-01-2005, 11:49 PM
Hi Jolanta :wave:

You are so right about the mouth! I kept looking at it while transferring to the good paper realizing -I was not right-I needed to wrap the mouth around and up a tad. I am also busy adding the darks and some other colors to age myself-now that is ironic-I usually get it wrong the other way around. :rolleyes: If only I could do such a job when I put on make-up-to look like I am in my 30's again. :D Pastels are really pretty new to me-but I am liking them.

Time-hmmmm- good stories-different strokes- I think I am probably -at least for me- going too fast maybe- yes- well for sure. Felt really behind this morning. I was so excited I did the rough in such a short time-but realize that is exactly what it was-the rough-and need to take so much more time to make sure all is well. I do like the method I used though. I am still at that stage where I am not so confident with what I am doing - but am glad I am better able-after all these classes--to recognize where things are wrong or at least something is wrong.---Not that I always recognize it-but do see more these days.
I may be moving to NC so I can get in one of your portrait classes :D . Well --OK, I am going to just have to be content you are here to help. :)

Oppsie! Guess no matter how wrong the colors are at this point should post I am guessing stage 2. I think when I forget to do this-post the stages-I can get on the wrong track, so-C & C is welcome and appreciated.

05-02-2005, 06:48 AM
Morning JayD and crew,
Looking at this fresh I can see I have the shape of the eye on the left it's right side-needs corrected. And need a tad more hair on top of head, eyelashes and need to fix above the right side of the mouth above the lip where it meets the nose. Funny how it jumps out at you after a nights sleep.
Hopefully you all can add some more C & C to this today.

Hey Dave-where are you? :(

05-02-2005, 08:01 AM
Hey Dave-where are you? :(

Deadlines, deadlines... Got to get an important piece of work finished by 1pm on Wednesday, haven't had time to put pencil to paper for weeks. :( Not been feeling too great, either...probably getting too stressed. Aaaaaaargh!

Back to the salt mines....

Anita Murphy
05-02-2005, 08:24 AM
Judi - this is looking lovely. I really must try pastels one of these days - when the budget allows. Probably should have bought pastels rather than CPs as I don't seem to be any good at them!

05-02-2005, 12:31 PM
Thanks Anita.
I got my pastels w/ Christmas money-but don't regret your CP purchase. They are just much more time consuming. Portraits are especially so-not only are you working with all those layers to get the right color-the likeness seems especially tough-I am having difficulty at this with a CP portrait too. Don't give up! We are learning!

05-02-2005, 01:25 PM
An offer to all of you. As you might know, I purchased a styrofoam head to do shading studies for "flashed out photos". I anybody of you has a photo and is not sure of how the shading in a given light source might be, just post the picture, tell me where the light should come from - best in time, like 9 o'clock, 11 o'clock etc - and I will try to position my little friend that way, shoot a picture, and re-post. Just as a thought.

05-02-2005, 01:51 PM
Trying to keep up. It is fascinating to see all the portraits and how they are developing. I finally got DSL and am so disappointed. It is very erratic, sometimes infintessimally slow, sopmetimes almost as fast as the cable I had before moving here.
Sigh... This is me. Salt-and-pepper hair, very messy, lots of double chins, blotchy skin, and even with all this, it doesn't quite look like me. I have reached the point that I can't see how to improve it, so am putting the drawing and the ref photo for help.

05-02-2005, 03:49 PM
Connie, you're doing a lot better than you think. There is an inital likeness there and it will become a lot better with these small adaptations. :clap:

All references are made from the viewer's point.

Look at the left cheek, bring it down straighter from the cheekbone, you have an outward curve there in the drawing. The inward curve comes about at the height of the mouth.
Continuing with the cheekline. You have, as you drew it correctly on the right side, a nice curve starting at the chin coming upward. On the left you did not draw it sufficiently pronouncec (look a the right side, this should be the same on the left side)
Give yourself a little bit mor forehead by pulling the hair up a bit.
You drew the mouth a bit too wide open, the upper lip has less pronounced arches under the nose and there is nearly no dark shade between the teeth and the lower lip. Bring the lower lip that dark line up.
The eyes are too wide open. Something we so often draw. Compare closely the reference and the drawing.
If you look at the upper eyelid of the left eye you will see in the reference that the lid is narrower than in the drawing.
On the right eye you drew more what you thought than what is there. You have 2 parallel lines forming the upper right eyelid, but from the hghest part of the upper lid left of the iris, this line goes down on a slanting line towards the right corner of the eye. See what I mean?
Connie, this might sound much but it really isn't. In portrait drawing minute changes can make such an enormous difference in likeness and so we have to very carefully and critically look at what we see.
I am really looking forward to seeing your portrait progress and wait for an update.
See ya! :wave:

Anita Murphy
05-02-2005, 04:23 PM
Think I have finished with this - has been enormous help already with my painted portrait which I started today (see Madame Y on portraiture forum).

05-02-2005, 10:10 PM
Connie, I think Rhenhard covered most of the bases--By the way, Mr. Linder--I expect to see you popping in and out of some of the other later classes and I would like to see you participate in the Masters sessions when they come up. I think you will enjoy it.

Connie, I did not like the description that you have of yourself because I think you have one of the most interesting and expressive faces that I hve ever seen... I know...you look almost exactly like my mother-in-law (you not related to Throckmortons are you?). You need to re-examine your proportions and Reinhard pretty much hit them all so have it it--you will not be disappointed.

Present--you have the most striking jawline--I downloaded your photos so that I could examine them offline--lovely features. Now as to the portrait--nice work. I am bother by the lines in the wrist and I would like Jolanta's take on this but those lines are pulling me away from the composition and back into the edge of the crop. Personally, I would lose the lines and just leave the hands and the wrist. Any thoughts?

Judi--Nice pastel work--I see you have deserted the color pencil you traitor you! :D Your pastel work on this one reminds me of some of the illustrations that Loomis did of women--loose, pleasant to follow, simply beautiful. A point of comment about the canson mi-tients--I love the rough texture-I think it really makes the picture sing. If you were to do this in CP, I would would turn the paper over and use the smooth side as the rough side tends to eat the colored pencil. Judi--outstanding work! :clap: :clap:

Mary Woodul
05-02-2005, 10:34 PM
I Just got my computer back and I've been breaking my head trying figure out some changes in it. My photshop is gone and now I can't find my softwear. :crying: Well anyway I worked on my portrait and I will post the first stage tomorrow and enjoy and comment on all the drawings I have missed. See you all tomorrow. :wave:

05-02-2005, 10:54 PM
Thanks JayD, But I am not done yet. My oldest was highly critical of it (says I'm prettier-LOL-wondered if he was gonna hit me up for a loan :D ) No-not a traitor to CP, Just put the one portrait down so I could get this done for your class :angel: Thanks for the advice on the paper-didn't know I could use the
canson mi-tients for CP.

HI MARY!!!! :wave: :wave: So good to have you back! :clap: :clap:

05-02-2005, 11:12 PM
Hi Jolanta :wave: -I see you out there!

Hey you guys- Dee did a beautiful portrait of our beautiful Sults! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Check it out here. (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=268452)

05-02-2005, 11:33 PM
Hi ,
Judi - lovely start, You just about did your critique! Lovely eyes but watch the outline of the face. You cut off your cheek some. Mouth is much better. Right now the highlight on your right cheek is to low, add bunch of hair on the top of the head and it looks like in the photo you have more place to breathe :wink2: Shoulders back - chest forward - remember???

Anita - WOW! That's the way I like it! Jay is right - get rid of the lines going down from the hand. Your face is the focal point so the hand doesn't have to be finished all the way. Got to go and see your painting.

05-02-2005, 11:38 PM
Anita - I looked again and I think if you take your pinky and go over whole hand lightly it will look better. One more and the last thing - If you add some more hair on the back of your head you will like it much better. I love it.

05-03-2005, 05:12 AM
Hmmm Insomia, I have a huge case of it right now, so I will post. lol
Connie, I like how you rendered your sp I do think your much more attractive then it but you have the idea in your geo shapes of the features. (just some may be too be too small in some areas and too big in others) A slight difference in measurements does make a difference.
Also, just wanted to say your face has a sweetness about it. I am a very shy person in real life and your face is one I would trust to go up to and talk to without any fear of anxiety (even though you would be complete stranger to me). :angel:
Anita, I agree you did great on your sp here. I took a stroll to your wip Madame Y and it looks like it will be a great masterpiece. You do have some wonderful help with Jay's, Jolanta's & Richard's C&C btw.
MARY we miss you :wave:
Judi, :evil: when we do go on our NY art museum outing remind me to get you :o (Seriously though isn't Dee great?) I just cannot get over how fast she is and how she gets a likeness so well. She is a wonderful portrait artist.
Dave glad to see you popped in & Hey Barb we miss you too.

Anita Murphy
05-03-2005, 08:51 AM
Jolanta and Jay - thank you so much for all your help - taking off the arm lines - I agree with you. Not sure about the hand at all - think I need to go back and do class 17!!
Thank you all for dropping by Madame Y!

05-03-2005, 06:09 PM
Thanks for the comments. I thought at first I should just start over, but will try to "fix" this one first. My DSL connection worked fine this morning, for about 15 minutes then I had to give up, it just wouldn't move. Now I am back on the dial-up, may have to be satisfied with that.

05-03-2005, 06:27 PM
Hi Connie, I am sure you can fix it! Gee you sure have a lot of trouble being on-line. Well---at least you are here-somehow! :)

Mary Woodul
05-03-2005, 06:28 PM
Wow! what a week. I've been at this computer all day trying to get my softwear back in and it still looks different to me. Well will not complain, the service people rescued all of my photographs.

Anita, your portrait is very good. I love the way you rendered your hair and the likeness to your picture is perfect.

Reinhard, your sp is very much you. Very good!

Sults, I love the way yours is looking. Hope your BF is feeling better and I hope that once he has his cast, he can wear one of those special sandals for the cast so that he can rest his foot while standing.

Judi, you pastel is coming along beautifully. I love your smile.

Connie, very nice, you captured your sweet expression.

Well here is the first stage of my severe sp done in a mirror. I've just used mechanical pencil and now that I see it on the screen I see problems with my right eye and mouth. Believe me I do smile a lot, but this looks sooo serious, I scare myself. I guess from here I should start shading or where do I go from here? After this one I'll do one with a reference foto, smiling. :D

05-03-2005, 06:41 PM
Hi Mary! :wave:
Thanks. :)
So glad you are up and running for the most part. I am happy your tech was able to save all of your photos. Our last tech for Luke's computer lost all of his music-and he was not a happy camper!

Gee Mary, you do look awfuly serious :D I realize you are not done. And as you see what needs done, no need to comment. Looking forward to the next stage and a smiling you down the line here. :D :D

CJ-Are you still not well? :( :( We miss you-it seems forever since you have been here. :(

05-03-2005, 07:06 PM
Connie, I'm glad you're going to continue with the drawing. You have so much going already and it really would have been a shame had you not kept working on it. I'm looking forward to your further updates.
Mary thanks, I kind'a like it myself how it turned out. As for your portrait. Very good start. One caveat, the left (your right) ear appears to be drawn from more a 3/4 angle while you have a direct front view in this sp. Just as a hint when it, if it were, still can be fixed easily.

05-03-2005, 08:36 PM
OK, posting Stage 3. One more stage to go, only I am really not sure where to go/or how to go further with this.
C & C Please.

Well, now that it is uploaded, I do see some hair at the forehead needs further defined...and....?

Cathie Jones
05-03-2005, 09:26 PM
Boy are you guys getting way ahead of me! I've spent the last 6 days in bed. Finally went back to work today, but still having some breathing trouble, so I went back to the doctor and she put me off work again until Friday. On steroids this time for an asthma-like thing, so we'll see if it helps. Seems better so far.

I miss this class like crazy! Everybody's doing such good stuff and I haven't even had the energy to get started. Soon, I hope. I did at least get this lesson and the last one posted on the web site, so that's caught up. Now, to get some paper out!!!

Keep up the good work and I'll be back soon . . . :D

05-03-2005, 10:03 PM
Hi Judi,
What color is your hair? I think it would be nice to put more colors (complementary) in the hair. Your eyes look lovely. If your hair is dark you could define upper eyelid with sharp pastel pencil (not black but brown) some more. It was good idea to put the blue in the background to counteract skin tones but it is just one color blue and quite strong. It takes my attention away from your beautiful portrait. Just a hint. When I need to show one color I always mix 3 diff. shades of the color Light, medium and dark to make it more interesting. Another one - is good to mix in the skin colors which are warm some greens or blues in shadows which are cool colors. Another hint when I draw dark hair I don't use black too much instead I put dark blue, some dark purple. Black looks dull and I call it dead color.
So what color is your hair - look at it and tell me all the colors you see in it.
Later - Jolanta :wave:

05-03-2005, 10:22 PM
Hi Jolanta! :wave: I've been waiting for you! :D My hair is a naturally a medium brown w/ the old irish red/copper highlights. I have a tad of grey but I cover that. I have started to add more color to the bg because it was strong-yet bleeech all by itself. Well I got one thing right after posting and looking at it more. :rolleyes:
OK I will define my eyes a bit more. I was so glad I had gotten the pastel pencils a while ago.
OK, get rid of the black in my hair.
Am I understanding correctly?:greens and blues to be added to my skin in the shadow areas of my skin?

05-03-2005, 10:25 PM
Judi I am so glad Jolanta can tell you what is needed because to me your sp looks great and I am not a good help when it comes to color. lol
Heyyyyyyyyy CJ we miss you and I am so sorry your still ill. :(
Hiyas Mary, great start on your sp I think you can uplift the corners of your mouth. :cat: Just look in the mirror and smile. Oh, as for Carmelo, he is down because Dr. told him it is not bad that his 3 toes are broken, what is bad is the bruising (his whole leg under the knee is bruised). Dr. says it means he really squashed his tendons and that could mean alot of healing time. He wants to go back to work like yesterday.

05-03-2005, 10:35 PM
Hiya CJ :wave: :wave: :wave: Triple wave for a long time no see :( I hope you regain your strength. We miss you terrible too!

Hey Sults- Thanks :)
-Yes-Jolanta is the QUEEN OF CRITIQUE!

Jolanta---Thanks so much for your help-forgot to say that last post. :)
or the greens and blues in my hair-that sounds more correct (to a dummy like me :( )

05-03-2005, 11:12 PM
What a beautiful portraitas you are doing! Hope I have the time tonight, to look at them again.
At the moment this is what I have with mine.
Regards, Peter

05-03-2005, 11:27 PM
Hi Judi,
You are up to the challenge and I want to help. I have an idea. I would like you to go to Portraiture forum here and look at the thread "Derek in soft pastels" a nice portrait done in pastels and the artist explains the technique and shows the colors in close ups. This will help you more than my explanation in thousand words. Is good to study other artists works and see how colors work. It doesn't mean you will use the same colors but to understand cool and warm and complementary is the must. Blending colors with strokes instead of blending them together with fingers or other tools is much more effective because you can show all the colors and our eye will blend them together anyway. If you blend several colors together with blending tools you may end up with mud and dull color. You can wander in the Pastels Forum here and find different portraits and study them learning how to do skin, hair, background. It will not take long. You will find something similar to your style and apply to your drawing. This way it will be your portrait done with your technique and your choice of colors and you will learn much more this way. I will watch you and help you all the way but I cannot make decisions for you .
I know you feel confused right now but you did a very good start and with a little looking around and our help you will do just great. Take it slow and treat this as a great practice. It's your portrait - you want it to look good right?
See you - hugs :wave:

05-03-2005, 11:51 PM
Hi Judi - It's me again. You are sooo much fun to be around :D
OK. Choosing colors for drawings is very personal decision and nobody should tell anybody what colors to use. There are some rules how to use them in general as I mentioned before. In general complementary colors which are on the oposite side in the color wheel (do you have color wheel?) look great when they are placed next to each other or on top of each other. Then is another important thing to keep in mind is using warm and cool colors next to each other and of course to be able to recognize them. Let's say skin colors in general are all pinks, peaches,tans and so on WARM colors. So if you mix some COOL colors in shadows like greens or blues or neutral gray the color of skin will look much better. Of course there are always extreme ways some artists choose and they can use any colors they want breaking all the rules and still make great portraits. Using colors is another way more advanced to do the drawing and some artists including myself start very easy using one single color first then two or three, then more and learn all the time until they feel comfortable to use the whole spectrum without guessing. It takes time and it is not easy to explain in one speech how to do it right.
I would like YOU to tell ME what colors you would like to use and where, going step by step and we will see what happens.
WOW I am talking too much.
Please don't give up - you have a great start - we will get there.

05-04-2005, 12:16 AM
Judi - this is an example of using color - you can go from this to this but not in one step

05-04-2005, 06:40 AM
Thanks Jolanta for all of your time babysitting :D
I will work on this tonight-ahhh green in the skin-understood right the first time. :rolleyes: Derek looks great w/ the green in his skin.
I have a colorwheel-just one I had cut out from some magazine-only shows maybe a dozen colors-not broken down into umpteen colors like I have seen with all the variations. Well, the idea is there.
I do want it to turn out-Pat does not seem impressed with it right now- -ha-I was going to give it to him :(
I won't give up :)

05-04-2005, 07:40 AM
Finally time to do some drawing! First time for about 4 weeks, I think. I hope that doesn't happen again for a while. I'm sorry not to have been commenting on everyone's work, but I have been keeping an occassional eye on you, and I must say I'm very impressed.

Well, I've made a start on my self-portrait. I couldn't really find a photograph of me that I like, partly because I'm usually the one taking the pictures, and partly because they don't really look like I think I look like (if you see what I mean!). When did I get that double chin? Must be some sort of distortion. :eek: Anyway, I've only just begun, but thought I would post it anyway, just to show that I haven't given up.

Anita Murphy
05-04-2005, 08:50 AM
Jolanta - I love the blue pastel - its so pretty. May be time I tried this with something other than pencil. Are there any secrets to pastels I should know about?????

05-04-2005, 09:41 AM
Jolanta I love both of them they are vibrant with colors. Your work is so refreshing and beautiful. Filled with details & colors wow.
Judi you will do well in your pick of colors I know it.
Dave so good to see you post again, great start too.
Jolanta as you know I was working on my eye in the Armin eye thread but I will get back to my sp. One thing I found it gave me good practice for my sp too. Ty for pushing me, it helped when Dee & you did that, I would of never thought or taught myself by looking hard, how to do reflection on the white of the eye. Ty again :)

05-04-2005, 11:33 AM
Hi Everyone
I'm a late entry just popping to introduce myself, as Judi suggested over in Class 1.
I'm still working my way through the earlier assignments and hopefully will catch up soon. I'm so impressed with everyone's work so far - you're all really good at this - and also your friendliness and support...So glad to be part of this.


05-04-2005, 12:26 PM
Hi Ren, :wave:
Glad you stopped by to say hi. Now everyone knows you are here and you are likely to have more company along the way. :D
We are glad you are here too! :clap: :clap:

05-04-2005, 12:29 PM
Hi Jolanta-Those are beautiful. You give us all much to aspire too!

Hey Dave-That is a good start! really happy you are 'back'! :clap:

Anita Murphy
05-04-2005, 12:35 PM
Judi - forgot to say yours is looking great! Love the colours you are using. You have such a pretty smile!

05-04-2005, 02:34 PM
Judi - every drawing especially if you work in colors somewhere in the middle looks soooo ugly some artist just quit there. The smart way to go is to keep drawing and fixing until it looks good. Pastels are very forgiving. If you have the paper with the tooth and keep the layers thin you can change colors and play around in several layers until you are happy. The secret is to go easy so you will not loose the tooth so pastel will stick to paper.

Anita - thanks. I started working with pastels using only pastel pencils but is good to have a lot of them. You don't have to buy all of them at once but you can start collecting if you like them, then you will need hard sticks NUPASTEL and soft sticks and you will be all set. To make it easy you can get just few colors and draw with one color. I love to use tinted paper. You can go with all kind of combinations. White paper and any color of pastel. Cream or buttery paper and grey-purple pencil is my favorite. Black paper and white charcoal pencil or pastel pencil - this is a bit tricky because you have to draw only lights. Sanguine color is kind of brick, reddish was used a lot by old masters. You can buy sanguine in sticks and try them. What is bad about pastels - they are dusty and smear easily - so if you are righthanded start drawing on the left side so you will not smear them with your hand. You can put piece of paper towel under hand but don't move it around - it will smear. You can clean smears easily but is good to be careful. Give it a try.

Sults - thanks - drawing and painting is all about seeing. So all we have to do is paying attention and observe

Ren - welcome to the club :wave:
You will feel at home here
I have to come back later to comment on some nice drawings here
See you

05-04-2005, 06:56 PM
Jo, thanks for cover so well here in the class--I am tied up with a backlog of prison cases today and tomorrow so my hours will be somewhat restricted. :wave: :wave: :wave:

05-04-2005, 07:08 PM
Hey JayD, :wave: :wave:
We've been missing you :( .
Don't work to hard---hurry back :)

05-04-2005, 08:49 PM
OK, Babysteps.... :rolleyes:

need to blend bg more.

05-04-2005, 08:52 PM
Jay - I am having good time here. I am already addicted to everybody and enjoy talking to them. Did you say PRISON - what did you do???? I hope you are on the other side :D

Connie - you are one sweet lady. Just do what you can and we will help you-take your time and rest your eyes.

Mary - are you really this thin? I want to be like this! I think you should make your right eye bit smaller and then go ahead and do shading. Show us

Peter your shirt is so good is drawing my eyes to it all the time. Half of the face is very nice. You are working in very unusual way. From the bottom to the top. Interesting. It's nothing wrong with this. The final look that's what counts. Keep shading.....

Dave - now we have the beginning. Cannot wait to see progress. Don't worry how it looks like at the beginning. They all look weird at this stage. If you work from the mirror it will be hard to CC nothing to compare to but we will still try our best.
I am going to see what else is going on around WC
See you :wave: :wave:

05-04-2005, 09:05 PM
Hears my realistic one finally... I didn't realize it was cross-eyed untill I scanned it.. *sighs* Oh well. ... I need to pratice faces more. Now to go post the bark on my tree... :wink2:

05-04-2005, 09:16 PM
Hi Judi,
You are doing sooo good without my help at all! :clap: I love your eyes. Put some dark in the corners of the mouth but be gentle. Your photo is so dark you need to figure out where the light is coming from and I think you just about did it :clap: I see a lot of portraits showing light side of the face against darker side of the background. Don't ask me why it looks good this way I am still trying to figure this out :D This means it looks good when we make the background in diff.values lighter on one side and darker on another. I like what you did so far so maybe we should just keep it this way. You are the artist you do what you like - don't you feel good? :wink2: The hair looks much better but will need some highlights. If the light is coming from our right side it will throw some highlights on the top of your head on the top of your nose, chin, top of your cheeks, lower lip. What color is your skin? I think you can add some light pink or peach still to make it more vibrant. Just try and see - if you don't like it lift it with kneaded eraser and try something else. Isn't this fun?
Keep going - you are not finished yet..... :evil:

05-04-2005, 09:21 PM
What do you mean without your help????-you have been such a wonderful coach!
:clap: :clap: :clap:
I will add the highlights created by the lightsource. My skin is peachey-pink I guess.

05-04-2005, 09:40 PM
Hi Ren We are glad you joined us too :)
Hi Jay, Jolanta is doing a wonderful job, we miss you too though, so do not think your off the hook (ha ha)
Judi your sp is beautiful like you gf. You rendered your kindred spirit. I cans see it in those sweet eyes.

05-04-2005, 10:31 PM
Thank you Jolanta for your fantastic and wonderful help. I will like some advise from you (you are so kind) how do you see the eyes? I am not hundred percent happy, but I dont want overwork that, do you think can I leave them like that?
Thanks, Peter

05-04-2005, 10:34 PM
Judi you are doing beautiful with your pastels, I love the hair

05-04-2005, 10:41 PM
Anita, you did a great work, the pose is excellent, very, very nice. Should be great for your avatar.

Mary Woodul
05-04-2005, 11:27 PM
Hi Everyone! :wave: So sorry I haven't been commenting much but I got way behind with my trip and then my computer problem.

Everyones is doing great.

JayD.....you are missed, hope you finish your work soon.

CJ, take care and we miss you too.

Judi, your pastel is just great.
Peter, I love the way you are working the shadows in your portrait.

Jolanta, you look thin yourself. Ohhhh, I worked all day on the portrait and I just ended up erasing it because it is so hard from a mirror. I see what you were talking about with the eye because I put the drawing up to a mirror and I just couldn't pinpoint what was wrong with it. I will start one tomorrow from a picture taken last week in Las Vegas. I need a reference picture to look at and this was so awkward because I have to use my glasses to draw but not to see myself in the mirror. I'll start the other one tomorrow. :D See you all tomorrow. :wave:

05-04-2005, 11:38 PM
Ohh Peter-So sorry I didn't comment-your portrait is looking wonderful :clap:

Hi Mary! :wave: You erased it? :( Well, looking forward to you LV pic-you smiling there? Or sulking at the slot machine? LOL

CJ- :wave: Get well soon! We miss you much! :(

Hi Sults! :wave:

Deb! Where are you??????

05-04-2005, 11:38 PM
Hi Peter,
Are you doing this from the mirror or from the photo? If from the photo I can help a lot if you post it. It will be more difficult if I don't see anything to compare with (I never had a chance to see you :) ). I need to wait for the hair to look at the whole thing. Right now your eyebrows are quite thick which gives me some clues but to correct something I need to see the original ;) Your eyes in the drawing look a bit hardedged - line is going around them which gives the impression you are wearing a little makeup - are you? :( Probably not so we will work on it. I would like you to fifnish shading the rest of the head and post something so I can see your eyes then I can help really good :D I like always put everything first in place in general and then comes the hardest and most fun part - adjusting to make the whole drawing work. Don't worry about details in the face now I will make you worry about it later :evil:
See you

05-05-2005, 12:28 AM
Thank you Jolanta, you are so kind. I am working now in the hair, I will post again and the reference photo, so you can compare.
:evil: no, I dont use makeup (probably I will need to look a little be better) :D :D

05-05-2005, 04:15 AM
Good morning everyone! Sorry to hear about your workload JayD...me, I'm feeling like I've been let out of prison, having just finished a big job!

Peter, I really like your portrait, it's coming along very well.

Judi, your pastel sp is looking great, the background is much better now, really working well.

Thanks for the comments on my start. There is a photo, so when I post an update, I'll put that up too.

05-05-2005, 09:58 AM
I have been reading everything and enjoying the sp from everyone. I think I am learning, may even be able to apply some of it.
Judi - the colors are terrific. I like the blue bg with your blue eyes.
Dave - don't even think about double chins, they are part and parcel of our beings. Good start.
Anita - I am very impressed, that is such a neat drawing, very fnished looking.
Jolanta- you Never talk too much. It is so helpful to all of us.
Mary - I did a quick sketch from a mirror, the photo is so much easier to see details. I hope you get more of a smile.
CJ - Get well quick. It can be so tiresome to be sick. We miss you.
I addressed all the issues that were suggested about my drawing but am not sure it corrected anything. I guess I have looked at this too long. This time the scan show some pinkand some yellow, but that isn't really there.

Cathie Jones
05-05-2005, 09:58 AM
Hi you guys! :wave: I'm feeling better, going back to work tomorrow. This thing just kept turning into something else - ended up with pneumonia, and now some asthma-kind-of-thing, but it's almost gone and I expect to be back with you next week!!

I haven't been through the whole lesson yet, but the portraits I've seen are looking terrific! I've chosen a photo to use that's different, but have only started it a couple of times and can't even get the basic starting shape and position right, so I guess I'll catch up with this one when I can concentrate better!

See you soon!!!!

05-05-2005, 10:19 AM
CJ, glad to hear you're on the mend! Sounds like you've had a pretty rough time. Look forward to seeing your portrait.

Connie, love it! :clap:

Anita Murphy
05-05-2005, 10:43 AM
Jolanta - thanks for the advice on pastels - I have some pencil pastels already so I am going to give them a go. Colour in portraits terrifies me so this is going to be nervewracking!

Connie - looking great - you have such a sweet sweet face!

Judi - such a pretty smile ( I said that already!) but it really is! Think you are doing wonders with the pastels.

Mary Woodul
05-05-2005, 04:20 PM
Hi Dave, nice to see you back. I like your preliminary sketch and I feel just like you about photos, feel I don't really look that way but after the goof off with my mirror sketch I'll stick to the photo.

CJ, please take good care of yourself, it takes quite a long time to do just anything after pneumonia. :wink2:

Connie, I love your sketch, your hair is so well rendered.

Hi, :wave: Jolanta, Peter, Judi and Anita. I haven't seen Ann for a long time. :confused:

Well before I go any further I want to know what to do with these pencils I'm using. This is just an outline and when I got it on the screen I noticed that my right eye was way off so I tried to correct it a bit and now there is a hard line on both of them. The Las Vegas picture was not well defined so I took my picture myself, (husband is too busy), and that does not make a natural look. :( I hope Joe doesn't think I look like a Hoochie Mama with my red punky hair. :eek: BTW the pencils are Faber Castell Pitt pencils. The one I am using says Pitt Pastel and the other say Pitt Oil Base. The one I am using feels like charcoal.

Cathie Jones
05-05-2005, 05:56 PM
Thanks, Mary - and I like your hair! Tell me about this recovery thing . . . I can't talk without coughing! Still, I'm up and around, which is better than the last almost-two-weeks!

So, today I felt well enough to draw a little. Here are my self-portrait attempt and the photo it came from.

Helpful hints gratefully accepted!!

05-05-2005, 06:07 PM
Mary, can you post a larger drawing, please? It is nearly impossible to see and therefore comment. What I can make out so far is only one thing. If you measure the distance between the eyes (usually they are one eye width apart) I see that in the photo the distance is a bit more than the width of an eye and in your drawing it apprears to be less than the width of an eye. More I can't make out. Keep posting your progress, and nice to see/know you now "personally".

05-05-2005, 06:19 PM
Cathy may I? You definitively picked a difficult one. There is definitively a lot of Cathy in your drawing, but let's take a look at the eyes first. It appears that you drew what you "knew" and less what's there. Looking at our left (your right) eye, in the photo one nearly doesn't see an eye, it's more or less a part of the upper lid, some lashes and a dark shadow. That's where the eye is, but the eye is not really visible. The right (your left) eye is seen very much from the side. It is very elliptical (sp?). Here you have as well a touch too much eye in "front view". I suggest to put in an ellipse (the iris) and see then where the ellipse of the pupil will go. You were very careful to draw your eyelashes as individual hair. May I suggest that you just draw less and make them a little bit in a "block" style meaning more together. Is is very rare that we see individual lashes, especially from this angle.
One more thing, when looking at the cheekline coming down, there is a lot less in the reference than you put into the drawing. If you bring it back, it will help to bring out even more Cathy. I am looking forward to your next postings.

05-05-2005, 06:31 PM
I am back with this never ending sp., last update and the grayscale reference photo.
Dave, you have a very good start
Connie I like the way you are doing your sp
Cathie, good you are feeling better, love your sp.

Cathie Jones
05-05-2005, 06:56 PM
Thank you, Reinhard - excellent critique. I'll work on it. :D

Peter, your sp is wonderfully realistic - and getting better all the time. I'm in awe of the likeness and the work in the shirt. :clap:

05-05-2005, 07:59 PM
Finallyfinished my hands! Off to work on my SP.

CJ, do you have an icon of someone biting their tongue? I want to comment to Mary , but.... :evil:

Peter - The shirt is unbelieveable!

Judi - What can I say? I love pastels! And you handled them beautifully!

Connie - It is a good likeness, judging from your icon. I think what's missing in your SP is the sparkle in your eye!

Hope I did not miss anyone. Off to take some pictures....


05-05-2005, 08:34 PM
Hi everyone
Good to see you posting again Dave

Peter your portrait is rendered well, I think the left eye looks bigger than the photo but it might be me. (Photo's Right)

Connie great job.

Mary & CJ you both have glamour pics in different styles very nice girls, & I think Reinhard has it covered for C&C Glad both of you are back and hope your computer is easier to understand now Mary and hope you found everything. CJ, I hope your 100 % now and if not I wish you a speedy recovery.

Hi Joe, I commented on your hands they are a masterpiece, cannot wait to see what you do for your sp.

Hi Judi, I already told you how much I love your sp (but I will tell you again). I LOVE IT.

Jay & Jolanta sorry I have had a busy few days and my sp is not ready to be posted yet.

Mary Woodul
05-05-2005, 08:40 PM
Finallyfinished my hands! Off to work on my SP.

CJ, do you have an icon of someone biting their tongue? I want to comment to Mary , but.... :evil:


Ha.......What did that mean? :evil: (biting my fingers) :confused:

Cathie Jones
05-05-2005, 08:42 PM
Hi Sults! How are you feeling, gf?

Wanna see the rest of my 'glamour' shot? It's actually an ad photo that DH and I did about 6 years ago for a full-page ad when we were selling shirts with our newspaper theme. Over the front pocket it says "I Get It Once A Month," and the back was a cover from one of our December/January holiday issues. We were glad when that venture ended!

05-05-2005, 08:46 PM
I love it CJ :). Oh well I got my results from the cone scopy & I have to have the Leeps procedure after all. I was in shock the first day but now I am ok. I have talked to many who have had it and some who know someone whose had it. They say chemo is not as bad as it was before so even though I am not for sure about that, Dr prepared me it is possible after the Leeps. So I am ok CJ I am taking 1 day at a time. As I tell others, I am still breathing the same as I did before I knew the news and I am still going to be positive. Thanks for asking hon.

Mary Woodul
05-05-2005, 08:46 PM
CJ, I really hope you feel better but it does take longer than just the normal flu or cold. I had it once and it was the cough that lasted forever. It's a good thing it is not winter. I love the way your sp is looking, the only thing I see is that your head is turned more to the side in the picture and up a bit, I think.

Thank you Reinhard, I'll check that and for some reason I think the shape of one eye is different. :D :wave:

We just corss posted, your photo is just great CJ. :clap: :clap:

Hi Sults, how is your BF doing?

Mary Woodul
05-05-2005, 08:52 PM
I love it CJ :). Oh well I got my results from the cone scopy & I have to have the Leeps procedure after all. I was in shock the first day but now I am ok. I have talked to many who have had it and some who know someone whose had it. They say chemo is not as bad as it was before so even though I am not for sure about that, Dr prepared me it is possible after the Leeps. So I am ok CJ I am taking 1 day at a time. As I tell others, I am still breathing the same as I did before I knew the news and I am still going to be positive. Thanks for asking hon.

Sults, I'm sorry about the news but I am sure everything will go well I think you went at the right time and I will be praying for you.

05-05-2005, 09:11 PM
Evening all,
Late tonight because my daughter Maggie took me out for Mother's day dinner as she won't be here on Mother's day. Had Maui maui. Mmmm!
Most darling daughter I have. :)

Connie- Thanks, I like the bg colors to for a change.
I agree with Joe-your sparkle is missing! :)

Hi CJ! Glad you are feeling better. :clap: :clap: I agree w/ Reinhard but gotta say I love the promo pic. I LOVE the way you two are gazing at each other! :clap:
("I Get It Once A Month" :eek: :D )

Hi Reinhard-You are getting really good at C & Cing :clap: :D

Hey Joe :music: Thanks so much :D I'm getting into it.

Peter-I love your portrait-and the work on your shirt is particulary grand!

Hi Mary! thanks :wave:

Hi Sults-You are doing so much better! And all will turn out-not to worry my friend. :)

Anybody seen Michelle? :(

05-05-2005, 09:13 PM
Peter - ypur sp looks so real, more like; the photo than I can express. Not just the likeness, but the technique as well.
CJ, Mary - good start, it's fun to see everyone after "chatting" for so long.
Sultry - remember you have your own personal support group here, rooting for you through all those nasty procedures.

05-05-2005, 10:50 PM
Posting stage 3+

I am much happier with it now. I added the highlights and did some more work on the bg. Sorry Jolanta-that you need to walk me thru this-but this has really been a good learning experience for me and it is much appreciated. I think I am going to do Luke in his Navy uniform in pastels-maybe with not as much prodding as I needed this time. :)

Hey Mary-I forgot to say last time that your drawing was really a small image I couldn't see well (even with my reading glasses :wink2:)


05-05-2005, 10:51 PM
Thank you Reinhard for helping here with your good eye for errors. I am quite busy and cannot comment on all work but will try Peter since he is almost finished.

Peter - you made up the top of your head!!! I like the crop in the photo and you really didn't have to do it but if you like it this way it's OK with me. Let's look at the face. First thing your left eye in the drawing is too low and too big and because of all this is too close to the nose. You will have to erase and do it again. You cut off both of your cheeks. The face in the drawing looks much thinner and longer than in the photo. Forehead in the drawing is too high. You have to lower the hairline and actually lower the top of the head. See, you shouldn't make it up :evil: In the photo it is a lot of beautiful sunlight on your face - drawing is not showing it enough. Try to make your right cheek as light as the tip of the nose where you see the light and shadows as dark as you see them and correct shapes of shadows. Move smiling lines just a bit to outside and bring up the left shoulder line some. Your shoulder in the d rawing slopes too much - you are a man you have nice shoulders, don't cut them off. Once you check everything and move around and add here and there I would like to see it. It sounds like a lot but I did corrections in just few minutes so you sure can do it.
Can't wait to see it