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JayD
04-11-2005, 12:40 AM
Basic 101: Class 17

Hands and Feet


I have been reflecting lately how I might be of better service to this thread so I decided to try something new this time. I have included “practice” drawings for the "Time Challenged"--they are basic drawing that you can practice on before commiting yourself to good paper.

When I first started drawing hands, I used to just create all of these blocks and cylinders and would try to work the hand out geometrically. Naturally after the third or fourth attempt, I fell asleep from the boredom. There are many ways to draw hands.

1. Lee Hammond likes the grid method--A LOT of people use this method and it DOES yield suprisingly good results--It does limit you to having to depend on a reference source to grid so gridding can become a self imposed artist pen or corral--much akin to artistically mopping yourself into a corner.

2. Shinichi Ishioka (how to draw manga) prefers breaking the hand down into blocks--while this works--i'd rather be gridding--I have a tendancy to follow the blocks the letter and so my drawings end up looking confined.

3. John Buscema breaks his hand down into cylinders then building from there--same here but in all fairness this is an excellent technique for comic art.

4. I use contour drawing and then I map the shadows--Hey, it works for me.

5. They greatest artist who ever was at WC and you know who you are (yes, I am talking to you) just snaps them off freehand—no fuss, no muss, because you are a major talent. :D

As Life dictates, however, most of us have to work and struggle for a living and we each have our own little quirky ways of creating hands and feet. Here is how I do it for BOTH feet and hands:

1. Make a mitten. That is right--I said MITTEN. For those of you who do not have the ability to understand Jaydspeak, that means an arm, wrist or leg with an oval on the end of it—NO fingers and NO detail. Easy.

2. Still leaving out the detail, start to form the shape of the hand or foot that you want using CONTOURS ONLY.

3. Once you have the SHAPE of the hand or foot—look at your model and start to draw in as shapes, the shadows. DO NOT FILL IN SHADOWS—THIS IS LINE SHAPES ONLY at this stage.

4. Once you have the shape and the map of the shadows established start lightly filing in the shadow shapes so that you start getting a semblance of a foot or hand.

5. Using tortillions or your favorite smudging or blending device begin blending the map of the shadows together.

6. Once the blending is complete, go back and deepen your shadows. Make any necessary corrections.

YOU CAN SEE THIS TECHNIQUE IN THE EXAMPLES
Anatomy:

Hands and feet look relatively simple in construction but they are actually quite complex. Below is a chart of a hand and a foot. Please keep in mind that underneath your drawing is bones—the things that really keeps a hand or an foot together. They are nature's tent poles.

How many bones are there? Well for the hand there is:

1. Distal Phalanx (your finger tips)
2. DIP joint
3. Middle Phalanx
4. Proximal Phlanx
5. Metacarpals
6. Carpals
7. Hamate
9 Capitate
10 Pisiform
11. Triquetrum
12. Scaphoid
13. Lunate
14. Ulna
15. Radius

For the foot:

1. Fibula
2. Achilles Tendon
3. Tibia
4. Astraballus
5 Scaphoid
6. Cuneiforms
7. Phalanges
8. Heel
9. Cuboid
10. Metatarsals

Examine the charts and get to know these postions.


The Examples


Example one is of four hands. Two are of the back of the hand while the other is of the front. Some points to remember regarding the hand:

1. The thumb and the ball attached to it look like a chicken leg quarter.

2. The point where the body of the hand meets the fingers is a curved arc—this is why your middle finger is higher then the others.

3. There are two fleshy areas at the bottom of the hand that create a depression in the palm. I have exaggerated the third hand to illustrate this point.

4. The hand is roughly the same size as the face.


Regarding the feet:

1. The inside ankle is always higher and further toward the front then the outside ankle

2. The foot is roughly larger (read longer) then the face.

3. The little toe is generally back around one quarter the length of the foot

4. The outer ridge of the sole will bulge a bit.

5. If you stand on your tiptoes, the toes will spread in order to support your weight.

6. Oddly, when some toes are totally relaxed they can bend downward as much as 90 degrees.


Example Two is a hand grasping a pole. Note how the hand naturally curves around the pole. I have left the lower hand undrawn and have marked the positions of the bones so that you can see how I drew this hand. Again, Mitten, general shape of the hand I want to draw—note shadows—fill in shadows and blend.

Example Three is a foot that I have drawn in a semi-tiptoe postion. Note how the toes flatten out and slightly spread. The foot is very springy. Note that I have penciled in a second foot for you to practice on.

Example Four is the back of a foot. Note how it slightly leans and note the Achilles tenden in the back. Again, I have included yet another foot for you practice with.

Recommended Reading Lists:

1. How to Draw Manga: Bodies & Anatomy –no author listed

2. Drawing the head and Figure by Jack Hamm—this is an excellent detail book for the human figure.

3. Drawing Real Hands by Lee Hammond—Personally, I am not fond of this book because it places COMPLETE dependence on the use of grids.

Originally posted by Rosic, here are some important links:

How to Draw the Hands and Feet
http://www.polykarbon.com/tutorials/hands/hands.htm
http://www.polykarbon.com/tutorials/hand2/hands.htm
http://susanooh.anime.net/Art/Class/03/index.html
http://drawsketch.about.com/library...y/aa112402a.htm
http://mcduffies.keenspace.com/tutorbody.html
http://drawsketch.about.com/library/bl_handstudies.htm


Artist Field Trip of the Week:

This weeks artist is Rimbauds Shop—this artist has one of the most unique drawing styles that I have seen here at the WC. I have seen some old Japanese erotic prints that come close to this style. Note how he handles the hands and feet and pay attention to how he integrates the hand and feet with the entire body. It is one thing to be able to draw hands and feet but it is another to make the parts fit and this artist does this extremely well. Sit back, click on the link, enjoy and learn:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262883

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260902

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262704

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=261951

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259989

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259547

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258179

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257756

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=257241

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255609

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255250

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254687

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=254197

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=252452

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=253206

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250541

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249111

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=249622

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248673

JayD
04-11-2005, 12:41 AM
Here are the FootNOTES :D er...the foot examples:

mothsailor
04-11-2005, 03:50 AM
Thanks, JayD! Great examples. What do you want us to do...copy the examples?

I often draw my own hand, if only because it's always, er, handy! Never drawn my right hand, though...

vasilkadifeli
04-11-2005, 03:59 AM
Thank you for all that info and effort JayD...

...I often draw my own hand, if only because it's always, er, handy! Never drawn my right hand, though...

LOL Dave, I guess JayD now will ask us to draw live our right hand :rolleyes: and it will be a good exercise :D... but there are some ways doing it...

JayD
04-11-2005, 06:23 AM
I went to bed last night and it occurred to me that I did not give you any assignment----SORRY!!!

CLASS ASSIGNMENTS:

1. use the practice lined drawing and develop (optional)

2. Draw your own hands and feet in various poses of course.

3. Try copying from the masters

4. Go back to the folds lesson and fix your hand and feet-(optional)

5. For God's Sake--HAVE FUN!!! :D

Judi1957
04-11-2005, 06:44 AM
Morning JayD, :wave:
Great lesson and a lot to read. Thanks! :clap: I'll get thru it all later today.
I think this one will be fun too!
Been waiting for this lesson to set me straight!

Dave :wave: ,
"handy" LOL :D

Deb Leger
04-11-2005, 07:08 AM
Thank goodness it's not faces! :D :D :D I was sure you were going to do faces.

This is really going to be good!

And JayD, "reflecting on how you can be of better service?" You do so much for us all now!!

I'll put this into pdf tonight.

Deb

idcrisis55
04-11-2005, 08:02 AM
Good Morning You All :D ,

Good lesson Jay, Rated the thread as it is will be another good one!

Ann

sultry
04-11-2005, 08:34 AM
Good Morning All,
Jay your hands and feet are masterpieces I really like them. I have always liked drawings & paintings that only show that part of the body. My favorite is Adam's Hand as you know. Might be what I will try to re create in my Master project.

I see we get to go on a field trip to Dave's place, I agree Jay, he does so subperb with the body limbs.

SILKNSATIN
04-11-2005, 08:45 AM
Most artists weakness is hands and feet.Thank you JayD i'll try to get in here soon.I sure do need the practice and learning for both. :wave:

JayD
04-11-2005, 08:49 AM
I agree, Bon--I think a lot of people are self conscious about the size-they always make the hands smaller then they should be. I blame this on Barbie. :D Remember that the hand should be able to cover the face helps immensely.

Fireman's kid
04-11-2005, 09:49 AM
I have to hand it to you Jay ( :D can't believe no one got to that pun before me :D ), you did another great job with your lesson. Your examples are well drawn and the text is very informative. I never thought about the toes spreading when you stand on tiptoe, but it makes sense! And I am really glad we have 2 weeks because it could take me most of the first one just to follow the many links. I took part of the field trip already and it's great so i don't want to miss any of it!

I did a hand drawing a year or two ago. I'll try to scan and post it later today as a "before" example.

I never thought I'd be excited to draw hands and feet, but Jay you have a way of making every class interesting. :)

JayD
04-11-2005, 10:10 AM
Irene Corey, a noted make-up artist, commented in a seminar that I took that, and I am greatly paraphrasing her, make up is useless without the costumes--in other words you need to be adept at carrying the entire illusion in order to convey the message of the whole image.

Our Field Trip featured artist is a good example of that notion. His lines are free and loose flowing--there is an element of sarcasm or parody in his work that I love but he puts together a really nice package.

bjcpaints
04-11-2005, 12:15 PM
So glad we are back to the DeReyna curriculum. I am encouraged to try and catch up now.
Barbara

Mary Woodul
04-11-2005, 03:19 PM
Thank You, JayD, you always put your heart and soul into the work for our class. Very thourough intructions. :)

llanpe
04-11-2005, 08:19 PM
Hi teacher, one more great lesson!. We will be bussy again for two weeks with all that information.
Trying to work with contour I had this hands. I know the shading is really bad, but I was trying to have a good shape of the hands.
For practice I did and printed a scan of my hand (put my hand in the scanner), I did some practice from the copy, when it was not too bad, with my hand in the same position I did from life.
Good luck everyone with your hands.

Thanks Jay.
Peter

JayD
04-11-2005, 08:49 PM
Hey Peter. Great hands.

hand one: remember that there is a depression in the palm caused by the two mounds--the major mound extending from the thumb while the secondary mound extends from the pinky. The lower line and the middle line connect to form the shape of a sail whil the upper line extends from below the pinky and shoots upward in an arc ending short of between the pinky and the ring finger. Also when you hand is in that position, bear in mind that the thumb will pull dowward and jut out. If you lay the hand face down the thumb will reflexively pull back in.

hand two--the hand looks good but the thumb seems to be really imposing and majestic. Your thumb stops at the lower segment of the index finger.

Hand three: Perfect

Hand four: Again, I am excited about the hand overall but I am not crazy about super thumb. Check for size.

Peter, these are really great examples--thank you very much for posting

JayD
04-11-2005, 08:53 PM

llanpe
04-11-2005, 09:01 PM
Thankyou Jay, you are right, after some more practice I will post again.
Peter

Judi1957
04-11-2005, 09:36 PM
Hey Peter,
So glad you have decided to stay with us. Nice job!

Posting my hand (left :D )

Hi JayD :wave:

JayD
04-11-2005, 09:49 PM
Hi, Judi--that is very nice--I like the way that you have textured the hand--is this YOUR hand--nice nails.

NOW

I have a different assignment for you and I want everyone to see what happens:

Draw the hand again--in the same position only this time take the thumb and the forefinger and pull the corner of the piece of paper upward. Let us know what kind of changes that you observe.

You are doing splendently. :clap: :) :clap:

Judi1957
04-11-2005, 10:11 PM
Thanks Boss. :) Will do. :angel:

idcrisis55
04-11-2005, 10:45 PM
llanpe, enjoyed your drawings! I read Jay's comments which I hope I remember when I begin to sketch my hand. :D

Hi Judi, nice shading on your hand and the shapes look really good to me. Do you use the side of your pencil to shade large areas?

Here is my first foot, basically a line drawing for shape with just a bit of shading. The lines in the foot indicate shapes and shadows I saw, plus wrinkles :( I had to up the contrast a bit so it could be seen.

Ann

Jolanta
04-11-2005, 11:21 PM
Hi,
This is my favorite subject to draw. Jay - you did a wanderful job introducing us to hands and feet. Thank you. I wanted to say something to all of you. Drawing hands and feet is not any different than drawing anything else. First of all we need to get rid of this panic feeling - when it comes to hands and feet it is HARD! It's not. Let me remind you what is drawing or painting in general. It is translating a 3D image to 2D drawing on flat paper by using correct shapes and values. Well - what's the difference between drawing a face,hand,landscape,still life.....It's all about learning how to read correctly (see) the values and drawing exact shape of it. That's all! I want you all to forget about all you heard about how hard it is to draw hands and just think about drawing the right shape of what you see and the right value you see. The right shape of shadows is very important. If you think going a bit farther will not make a difference - you wrong. It has to be exact.
I want to show you two of my drawings I did a while ago. I was in a lot of pain and wanted to get lost in drawing. I am not trying to show off but I want you to get all excited and believe you can draw hands very well just because they are just another thing to draw. Nothing special.
I will try to post tomorrow all my ref. about hands so you can use whatever speaks to you. It's all about observation. I was very sick as a child. I remember I was playing with my hands while I was laying flat in bed for very looooong time. It was worth it. I can draw hands now. I know how they look like.
Jay - thanks for all your hard work and preparation. You did great!
Jolanta

idcrisis55
04-11-2005, 11:29 PM
Oh Wow, Jolanta, these are beautiful . . . I especially love the second one and all the lovely shadows, shapes and textures. Those fingernails look so real.

Ann

Judi1957
04-11-2005, 11:37 PM
Hi Ann :wave: , Nice start! I think feet are funny. They are all so different. You have nice long toes, mine are short and pudgy (but Pat likes 'em :D )
I think the foot pad below the heel needs streamlined a tad.

Jolanta :wave: , so glad you are still here too. Those are wonderful drawings! :clap: :clap: Hope your pain :( is gone!
Anxious to see what you have in store for us tomorrow!

JayD
04-11-2005, 11:51 PM
Ann, I like your foot--I would not change it too much. I like the way the big toe angles away. The nail looks a might large--you may want to go back and check those.

Jolanta, those are beautiful and delicate.

Hi, Judi--that would be genetics. The second and third toes on both of my feet are fused together at the bottom so I cannot move them independently. Jen's are exactly the same way.

idcrisis55
04-12-2005, 11:06 AM
Good Morning Everyone :D

Thanks Judi :D By streamlined do you mean slanting the line a bit more from the instep to the heel? Or narrowing the depth in that area just a tad?

Oh Judi, I have short, fat feet. In my younger, wilder days I was barefoot at a party I had, and this person that I didn't know, looked at my feet and said, "You have feet just like Donald Duck." I laughed because it is soooo tree. Ha, ha, does Pat love them when they are ice cold and you want to warm them up? :evil: :D

Jay, I agree with you on the toenail. I took off my shoe and propped my foot up again to look lol. It needs to be shortened just a bit to lengthen the toe itself a bit more. Thanks for spotting that!

I just set up my wc paper and paints so will check in later to view your work!

Cheers,
Ann

Jolanta
04-12-2005, 01:05 PM
Hi, hope everybody is doing well.
Jay I am very impressed with your preparation and explanation. It will keep us busy for long long time.
Peter - you are doing good. You are already attacking forshortening. Jay is right - you need to work more on proportions. Look at the relations to each other. Where one finger ends comparing to another.
Judi - very nice hand. I lke the size and the shading is good too. I would like to ask everybody to draw bigger so you can fit everything you see.
Ann - good start. It looks like the heel is to long and the arch too short but if you say your feet are short maybe this is just your beauty.
I know the best way to draw is to draw from life your own parts of the body because we know them so well but to help to see better I decided to post some photos of the hand just in case somebody needs them.
Since we have only few participants so far I like to invite others. To make it very simple if you feel overwhelmed looking at your hand try to work from photo which doesn't look so complicated.
I would suggest to start easy with contour only to get the proportions right and then put the rest.
Jolanta

Jolanta
04-12-2005, 01:56 PM
That's me again.
Jay I know you covered it all and I hope i don't duplicate it. If you are tired of me just say so hehe!
Here are some examples how simple you can start to get familiar with the shape. They are several diff.ways of drawing and shading. Is good to try as many as we can. #4 is done in scrosshatching which is beautiful and was mainly used by old masters.
Hope you try it.
Jolanta

Jolanta
04-12-2005, 02:39 PM
Here are examples how oldies greatest did it. As you can see some don't have too many details.
That's it for now.
See you soon.
Enjoy it.
Jolanta

JayD
04-12-2005, 08:45 PM
Hi, Jolanta--no, have at it--I am tied up in some immigration stuff right now so all help is appreciate.

Let me make one comment regarding some of your presentations and let me know if you agree--but I get so tired of people telling me to draw my own hand--which is what people are doing here because I suggested it!!! :D It is good to start that way but I really believe that we cannot always be objective regarding our own hands, feet etc...

I am a firm advocate of copying from the masters--the reason being and I hope this makes sense but the masters seem to have a singular respect and admiration for the hands and feet that seems to be lost in some circles today. You see it everywhere--hands in pockets or behind the figure or, heck, not even draws. Hands and feet are our Mount Everest--climb it because it is there--climb and conquer.

I also think we tend over complicate hands and feet--keep them simple--draw a contour and put the detail in last.

Thank you again for stepping in and helping out. It has taken a lot of the pressure of of me. Pretty soon I will need to be popping the artist's equivalent of Viagara so you see, your being here is really helpful. I love the drawings that you have posted. I hope to be putting up some more myself later. :)

llanpe
04-12-2005, 09:51 PM
Thank you Jolanta, beautiful hands and great help.
Sorry Jay, but here you have now "my hand" :mad: :D
Hope is going better.
Peter

Jolanta
04-12-2005, 10:10 PM
Thans Jay. It is sooo quiet here I don't know what to think about it.
I agree with you. I am sure it is several diff. reasons why artists don't like to draw hands. We need to realize that the most expressive parts are faces and hands. Too many artists try to avoid them so they pose the model to hide the hands and so on. They don't want to take time to learn this. They want to learn how to paint or draw FAST. Some will lock themselves and draw one subject only because they know how to,feel secure and confident so they do the same thing over and over. What they don't realize they limit themselves and will never feel the freedom of being able to draw just about anything. Some will start art going straight to painting with no drawing skills or very little and work very hard on painting. I read somewhere a great saying "If you don't know how to draw and if you don't learn how to draw you will only paint as good as you can draw". This says it all.
Another reason is the belief "hands are very hard to draw" so I will not even try it. I don't know where this came from but I believe once we learn how to see we can draw anything.
Maybe for some learning how to draw hands will take a bit longer but if we want to draw people we don't want to skip hands.
Another important thing. One drawing of the hand in one position is simply not enough. Just like creating one successful portrait will not make us a good artist. If it looks too hard let's draw one finger only,then add another,or just the palm (I don't know anything about anatomy but I am a good observer and this is good enough). Here comes another reason for avoiding hands - learning all the anatomy about them scares people away. It is very helpful but not really necessary. Take a good look at your hand everybody. It is in front of your eyes all the time available. At least give it a try. If you need help - we are here.
If somebody wants to try it - start with outline in as many positions as you can. It will not take long. Then you can shade it making whole hand middle gray using side of pencil. Just cover the whole hand in one middle value. Put some darks with the same pencil and lift highlights with eraser. Another way to shade is hatching and crosshatching. If you have a problem with proportions look at negative spaces. Some people can see better negative spaces. Whatever it takes but please try.
If you have any questions - just ask.
Jolanta

Jolanta
04-12-2005, 10:19 PM
Hi Peter,
I like it. If this is first shaded it is better than you think. I can tell you finished the wrist in the hurry. Looks a bit skinny. Look at your wrist in the same position again.Can you see the bone sticking out on the outside?
Now, if you find a minute try another position and show us some joints in the fingers nicely wrinkled.
Jolanta

JayD
04-12-2005, 10:31 PM
Good points, Jolanta--Peter, I hope I did not offend you with my first comments--believe me they are well intended. Two hairy things about scanners is that they can, like cameras distort an image so you sometimes have to compensate. The other thing is that scanners are the washing machine of graphite works--the intense light is always washing things out.

This hand is much better and more natural, agree with Jo about the bone on the side of the wrist but you have definitely conquered Thumbzilla and now he is running nicely with the rest of the pack.

Also would like to suggest that you try holding a pen or pencil or even a slip of paper. but dont just look at the hand holding the pencil--watch the motion of the hand from start to finish--look at the mechanics and observe what your hand is doing to get from a stationary to an in motion to a grasping postion. Watch the bones, those ol' tent poles of the body an see how much they dictate. think about this: Folds in cloths are dictated by the body upon which they hang. Same rule applies with the human body and the skeleton. When you move your body shifts its shape in some ways --just look at how many shapes your hand can assume. We hang like clothes from our bones.

Also, start looking at your hands wihen you type--see if you can track the motion of something that you do as a matter of routine. :)

llanpe
04-12-2005, 10:43 PM
Thanyou Jolanta and Jay for your comments, they are really helpful.
Jay, so... you think I conquered Thumbzilla? :D .
No, ofcourse you didnt offend, just for fun. :D
Peter

Jolanta
04-12-2005, 10:54 PM
Where is everybody???
Let me show you two more of my drawings. As you can see the hands in the dancer drawing make the picture. In the drawing with roses hands don't have too many details and they still work.
Did I get you a bit motivated?
Jolanta

Judi1957
04-12-2005, 10:55 PM
Hey All :wave:
Yes Jolanta, it is quiet here tonite.

OK JayD, did my extra credit. Hey did you draw your own hand for us tonite? :evil: :p :evil: :p
Gee Wiz, I had to do mine twice! :( :wink2: Hope I get extra credit. :D

Anyway, when I redrew my hand pinching the paper, it twisted my wrist and hand a bit in the direction of my pinky finger. Also it buckled up my knuckles. (And my hand got cramped!!!)

Deb Leger
04-12-2005, 11:08 PM
Sorry I didn't get back online last night - I was in Montreal and didn't get home until late. While there, I went to Chapter's and was looking at a book about the Drawings of Leonardo da Vinci but it wasn't what I thought it was. I didn't really like the drawings in there so I passed on it. I thought it would show more of the drawings of his beautiful works instead of dwelling on a lot of his inventions.

I've been working on the pdf file but will wait a bit to send it off to Ann and CJ. Lots of good info is being added so I'll keep adding it before I convert it into pdf.

Great class, Jay! And I'm glad we did the folds first because it will help me so much with the shading of the hands and feet.

Peter, very nice hand drawings! Awesome poses, too.

Judi, your hand drawing looks great, too.

Jolanta, those are beautiful drawings you did! I love all the texture and shading. My first thought was that I'd never be able to do all those wrinkles, etc, but then I remembered what you said last class about wrinkles just being folds and now I'm thinking, of course I can do them! (What they'll turn out like is another story.)

Ann, you did those toes good! Toes aren't as easy as they look.

For the fantasy drawing in class 15, I had started mine with my foot. I was going to add the fantasy guy standing on the big toe but still haven't got around to it. I'm attaching it here as a "before the foot class" drawing and then I'll add a recent one.

The closer foot is the more realistic one but i didn't get the instep right. the back one is terrible! :evil: And just for the record, those are bubbles in the tub all around it. :D :D I'm going to start on another foot but without the bubbles.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Apr-2005/11775-before.JPG

Judi1957
04-12-2005, 11:21 PM
Hi Deb :wave: TY.
Nice feet. Hope you didn't get any bubbles on your sketchpad. :D I love bubble baths too! :)

Hi Peter :wave: Nice hand! Sorry, forgot to type that in my last post.

Jolanta, You are truly inspiring! :clap: :clap: :clap:

JayD
04-12-2005, 11:24 PM
Jolanta, are you familiar with Monique Passicot--she is an artist whose works are currently holding holding me artistic prisoner. Your hands with the roses remind me of her work. They are simply lovely.

Judi, I like the hand and I am glad that you took the time to notice the changes that occur (little things like the twist) you might want to ease up on the shadow on the index finger as it seems to be causing an indentation.

JayD
04-12-2005, 11:31 PM
OK, Deb--I have to say that ANYONE who has the gall to get in the bathtub with a sketch pad has my deepest respect and admiration. I would have come out covered with graphite! :D

The foot is nice and I like the foam around the ankles and legs. Just a note about metal. I noticed that the fixtures seem to be either silver or a faux or real stainless steele. A point to keep in mind when encounter silver-like metals is that silver or stainless steele is ALMOST coloress in nature and so takes on the the color of what is reflected around it--at some point, you should do this a color study for fun. Also, where is the reflection of the foot. I see the semblances of the reflection of course. This is really nice work.

Jolanta
04-12-2005, 11:33 PM
Hi Judi - I had to practice pinching before I say something. I bend my second finger to do it - you keep it straight - lady like style. If you can bend your pinky like this you are super flexible! Lovely knuckles. Next time when you get crumps eat some mustard and get back to drawing. No pain-no gain

Deb - you got the hardware right. Bubles look more like clouds but foot is great with all that decorations.
Keep drawing - one is not good enough. I want YOU to see improvement every time you draw.
Jolanta

Jolanta
04-12-2005, 11:40 PM
Jay - Monique Passicot? never heard of her.You got me curious - where do I see her work? I got to check on competition!
Jolanta

JayD
04-12-2005, 11:43 PM
Try

http://www.moniquepassicot.com

I tested the link for you because I am always mispelling her name. Hope you enjoy. :)

By the way, Jolanta--you were commenting about how the masters kept thing simple when it came to hands--I seem to remember a piece of yours ( I could be wrong so correct me if this is not yours) called "Daydreaming" which I believe featured this beautiful little girl and she had her hands resting under her head. Are you the artist who did this? If so,you should post it because it is a wonderful example of how you don't have to overwork or overstate to create beauty. I like that image because it was so cleanly drawing--a treat to watch the lines come together.

Jolanta
04-13-2005, 12:11 AM
Jay-thank you bunch. I looked at her gallery and she is good, quite original, a bit weird but has great drawing skills. I like it. I need to study some more - lots of faces and hands. Her work is good example of drawing human body in stylish way not necessarly perfect correct way but we have to learn how to draw it correctly first and then loosen up and develop our own way of expression and communication. The more unique the better.
Jolanta

Jolanta
04-13-2005, 12:14 AM
Oooops - I was in such a hurry I didn't read the second part of your message. Yes "Daydreaming" is my red ink drawing. Let me find the photo and I will show it.
Jolanta

JayD
04-13-2005, 12:17 AM
I guess that I should have warned you that she was a bit of a surealist from South America with a theatre degree--hence, in HER sureal world, the bodies are correct--what amazes me is that her work looks so medieval. But I see the rememblance in some of your pieces to hers if only slightly..--you have some arms crossed over a chest or something like that which remind me of goya.

Jolanta
04-13-2005, 12:40 AM
Here is my "Daydreaming" done in red ink. Thank you Jay. Look at the hands how simple they are. The other one is done in charcoal. Kids hands are different - smaller and puffier.
Lol looks like I can open my gallery here. Whatever it takes to get you drawing.
Jolanta

JayD
04-13-2005, 06:30 AM
Thanks, Jolanta for posting "Daydreams". It is such a beautiful drawing and the cross hatching is reminiscent of Sir. John Tenniel, one of my favorite illustrators. I have not seen the other one that you have posted here--as a father, my gut reaction was "thumbsucking is bad for the teeth' but my aesthetic reaction was wow.

These are both excellent examples of how keeping things simple sometimes work the best magic.

idcrisis55
04-13-2005, 11:44 AM
Just stopping in for a minute to say hello :D. I haven't had a chance yet to read the posts but wanted to say thanks Jolanta for posting the drawings and the information that you gave last night.

No painting or drawing yesterday :(. A day of interruptions and other obligations plus really tired from the intense drawing of the day before. Hope today is different lol, at least in the art department.

Gotta go put paint on the paper before I have to go to town!

Cheers,
Ann

P.S. Jolanta, meant to tell you I gave you my mentor point yesterday for all your help to us! Thanks a bunch :D

Fireman's kid
04-13-2005, 01:05 PM
I just caught up on my reading here. Thanks Jolanta for your excellent additions.

I started a drawing of my hand yesterday but found I really wasn't concentrating and it showed! So I scrapped it. Will have to start another one. :D

I did finally scan my "pre 101" hand drawing. The first thing that hits me is that my darks aren't dark at all. See, I have learned something in 16 classes. :)

Jolanta
04-13-2005, 02:27 PM
Hi,
Today at my place is a very wet day. Is dripping from the sky steady. Good,I don't feel guilty for not working in my garden. This is a great kind of day to stay inside and do what?...you got it DRAW!!!

Jay - thanks. I did combine several diff.techniques in "Daydreaming" line strokes in the hair, crosshatching around her and bunch of dots (pointilism) on her face. I was having such a fun with dots I kept going until I noticed her nose was turning more and more red. I stopped before I made her look like drunk with big red nose. I didn't plan using diff.strokes I was just doodling around trying as I went. Talking about having fun.

Ann - you are excused for yesterday but maybe you can just start today. You know once I start I cannot quit - hint,hint
Mentor? I am so honored. THANKS. I better learn something more and more and do it fast....

Stacy - not every drawing works. We all have some of them deep in the drawer and guess what. Once in a while I look at my disasters and think - gush this is not as bad as I thought. NEVER throw away any of your drawings. When you get frustrated put them away somewhere safe from you and start another one. I don't like to repeat the same drawing if it doesn't work. It is something about "the first is always the best" because you put your heart in it. Second try is just repetition. You can do the same one in a different way - that's OK.
This hand is not bad at all. I am glad you can see your progress and you are able to see what you would do differently now.

Let's get to drawing - I will be watching
Jolanta

Mary Woodul
04-13-2005, 03:12 PM
Good afternoon, everyone! :wave: I'm getting behind again but I will try to catch up.

Peter, your hand looks good and the last one you posted, is beautiful.

Hi Judi :wave: I like your hand too.

Ann, you started with a hard one but it is coming along very nicely.

Jolanta, your hands are just gorgeous. There is so much feeling in what you do. About the painting with the flowers, Is that oil? It is absolutely awesome. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Deb, you are always so creative, those are great feet.

Hi Stacey :wave: , your hand is nice, I like it.

Well here is the first stage of my hand, I think I have to put some lighter areas in it. BTW, when you get to be my age, your little finger starts turning in.

My grandsons are coming over this afternoon so I will take pictures of their hands and feet, to draw. :wave:

Cathie Jones
04-13-2005, 04:45 PM
Okay, so how many of us turned at least one hand over and checked out the little finger????? :D

I did, and it curves in. Dang! :eek:

mothsailor
04-13-2005, 04:50 PM
Just popping in to say hi! :wave: I haven't given up, just been away for a couple of days and today I'm busy trying to beat a deadline. Should have time to draw a hand or two and read through the thread tomorrow.

JayD
04-13-2005, 04:53 PM
Hey, Mary--the pinky (little finger) sits just barely above the third joint of the ring finger. The great thing to remember about hands is that they are like little gauges so that you can compare their sizes against each other. Also remember that the base where the fingers rest is a curved arc and that is why some of the fingers LOOK taller or shorter then others.

Cathie--strange--my little finger is very straight--but then again my second and and third toes are fused at the bottome so I may be some sort of mutant. :D

Jolanta
04-13-2005, 08:50 PM
Hi,
I am all charged up to criticize or complemment and....oh I found one single hand to enjoy.

Mary your hand needs some shading adjustment just as you said - lighten some. It looks too much like hard working dirty hand. Shape is good. My pinky looks just like yours. I am getting old!
Drawing with roses you mentioned is done in soft pastels on black paper. Had some problem with skin color, had to kill the black. Original looks more pinkish.
Thanks for liking it. I always try to show emotions and luckily I am getting great response from viewers. They don't talk about colors, composition, subject but always about emotions. I am very happy with this.
I love oil paintings but it dries too long. Why I love drawings? This is the most direct way to put your emotions down. If I would have to wait every time I put something down for it to dry more likely I wouldn't remember what I wanted to say or show in my painting. I like to work fast and always work on only one drawing. Any other way it would be just production to me.

Jay - you make me laugh!

Jolanta

resgene
04-13-2005, 10:47 PM
I just posted my book report and I was holding onto the sketchbook trying to think of something to draw. I couldnt think of what to draw so I drew my hand holding onto the sketchbook. I hope its ok to post this even though I'm not quite up to here.

Scanner is new so forgive the speckled look - its picking up the texture of the paper. The background is supposed to be white.

Deb Leger
04-13-2005, 11:39 PM
Judi, love your second hand. You really caught the thumb well in this new position.

I hate to say this and shatter your image, but I'm definitely not brave enough to take the sketch book into the tub. :D I'd be getting drips on it, it would probably end up falling into the water or the cat (who always sneaks in before I shut the door) would push it into the water first chance he got! (He's a real mangey, nasty ole thing with a majorly bad attitude called Moose. Ann wants him and I'm going to send him packing her way.) What I did was I took the camera in there, carefully shot the feet and then put it far away.

So Jay, does this mean I don't have your respect anymore since I didn't take it into the bath? :wink2: The fixtures are stainless steel and I didn't even think of reflections! Ooops! Thanks for the tip on them actually being clear and just showing reflections.

Judi, I'd be lost without hot bubble baths to de-stress! I've always wanted to do a painting of my feet propped up like this with a wine glass on the side and candlelight sparkling in the glass.

Jolanta, I had to laugh when you say the bubbles look like clouds because if you could see how many bubbles were in there, you'd have thought they were clouds! They made a great 'cover-up' for the picture I was taking! And, yes, ma'am! I'll do more! Thanks again for all your additions and help to the lesson!

Mary, thanks - I hope you had fun with your grandsons!

CJ, my little fingers are straight up until the last joint, and then there's this slight kink inwards.

Jay, maybe you're part duck? :evil: (just kidding!) (Or then again, maybe it's Canada Goose instead of duck? I just knew you had some canuck in there somewhere! :evil: )

Wow Shelly, that's great! You don't have to wait until you have all the other lessons done before joining in here! Keep going along with us, you'll do fine and learn along with us while we're here together. Scanners are hard on drawings. I like to take a digital picture of mine without flash, then I go into photoshop and turn it into a grayscale to get rid of the greenish fluorescent cast.

Hi Ann and Dave and Stacy! :wave:

Okay, I'm going now, to either finish up the pdf or to draw. I still haven't decided which.

Judi1957
04-13-2005, 11:44 PM
Stacy , Nice hand (and the rock looks nice too! :D ) Agree I think you need some more darks. Hey, your drawings have been wonderful all along!

Mary! :wave: How was Las Vegas? Hope you had a great time! Nice hand, besides it being dirty-lol-wonderful shapes!

Hi Shelly, Welcome to Class 17. Nice hand too! I think you need some more darks as well, but it looks like you got the shading in the right spots, just a bit darker would be good, IMO.

Hi Jolanta, Love the thumb sucker! LOL, I sucked my thumb till I was twelve, pathetic, huh? :D Cramp again, but I didn't expect to put this much time into it. Going for the mustard jar....what is THAT about??? :confused:
Hi JayD :wave:

Here's another hand (mine :rolleyes: ). I wanted to do a couple tonite, but when I start one it just snowballs. Think I need to do some more corrective shading again. :(
Tomorrow I think I'll just do a bunch, undetailed to get the shapes only.

Judi1957
04-13-2005, 11:47 PM
Hi Deb :wave: , Missed your post. Thanks for the comedy! JayD-part duck-LOL :D

Cathie Jones
04-14-2005, 12:00 AM
Judi, Mary, Stacy & Shelly - your hands are looking great!! Shelly, I think JayD would say to post wherever the mood strikes you. You're good!

Still waiting to see Duckman's hand . . . :eek:

I only had about 20 minutes to draw tonight, but was feeling very left out, so I did a quick sketch of my hand. It's not quite accurate - my palm is a little wider than this shows. And I didn't take time to do proper shading, although it is darker in the right places. It's frustrating not having the time to do it right . . . but I just keep remembering that looooooooong plane ride!!

Anyway, this is far from a great, or even good, hand, but it did teach me that I can draw a hand, and I'll do better next time.

Judi1957
04-14-2005, 12:14 AM
HI CJ!!! :wave: :wave: Been missing you! Guess we'll all be missing you! When do you take off?? I am really happy for you. Don't forget to sketch tushies for the gals!

You have pretty much C & C'd your own drawing. I would widen the wrist as well.
Hey-your pinky is straight! You must be younger than all of us crooked women here, mine turns in a tad too. My Mom said it was from being born a month premature, so I'm going with too young instead of old! :D

Jolanta
04-14-2005, 01:11 AM
Shelly - welcome. This is a good try. Let's see one finger, two fingers ....ooops - we need more. You will have to work some more on values but I like the spontaneous position. Clever you - didn't need to do all fingers this time.

Judi - you are working really hard. This is a very creative position. Are you working with mechanical pencil on the shading? Try not to torture yourself and try regular to speed up.Since you are so good with proportions how about different ways of shading? Are you up to the challenge?

CJ - good try - needs some more work but I know your mind is somewhere else. We appreciate your effort. That's what counts.

Deb - I have a cat too and I love her bunch. She is watching after me all the time including getting me out of bed in the morning. Have to admit this is not my favorite part of our companionship.
Have to go now - my cat wants me to go to bed. Who is the boss here?

Jolanta

JayD
04-14-2005, 06:30 AM
Deb, that's me--Canuck the Duck! Yuk...Yuk...Yuk!!! :D

Cathie, what is good about this hand is that you tried and you broke the paper barrier and you made a little self discovery in the process. Give it another try when you get the chance. The form is good and the basics are there. :clap: :clap:

I thought I would drop off a foot--hope you like--I started just noodling around with a pencil and this is what I got:

Judi, I really like the crossed fingers--you can really see the tension of the skin here. Nice work!

resgene
04-14-2005, 07:04 AM
Thanks everyone for the comments. :)

Jolanta, hi, all the fingers this time. :D

This is the first time that I have tried to draw my hand from the palm side. This is about an hours work, mainly because of shading on the fingers... which I am still not happy about but I feel it was just getting worse the more I tried.

JayD
04-14-2005, 07:30 AM
Hi, shelley, I did not comment on your first one--I just cocked my head sideways and deferred to Jo because it LOOKED right to me but something was off and I just could not see it--sort of like a picture hanging crooked. I was thinking there were one too many segments in the forefinger.

This next hand that you did is very nicely modeled and it is a reminder of how complex the hand really is. I like this one!

OH, and Cathie is right on--that is EXACTLY what I would say. I designed the classes to be modular in nature so after the first three to five classes you can sort of bounce around whereever the mood suits you. I did this with the idea that not everyone is going to show enthusiam over the same classes.

Everyone give Shelley a big hug and a huge hand! Nice work--now let's see some more! :clap: :clap: :clap:

idcrisis55
04-14-2005, 07:48 AM
Ann - good start. It looks like the heel is to long and the arch too short but if you say your feet are short maybe this is just your beauty.
Jolanta

Thanks for lookings at my foot sketch Jolanta. I have attached a hand sketch that was done while waiting in the doctor's office yesterday. I can see after looking at the image that the thumb is too long and other shapes are off. I found it hard sketching while propping the drawing pad and hand on my knee lol. Anyway, doing this sure makes one aware of one's own body parts and more conscious of others. I was also trying to be aware of the hatching, crosshatching as I am so bad at it. I plan to start "real" drawing practice today BTW lol.

The grace of the dancer's hand is wonderful as is the whole drawing. But I really like the hands holding the roses, especially the right hand. Daydreaming is exceptional work, Jolanta. I love the crosshatching and it is such a delicate looking drawing. Beautiful. And the charcoal drawing of the little girl is fantastic.

Peter, nice shading and shape on the hand!

Jay, I really took note of the comments to Peter on his hand. Especially the comments about the movement of the hand and how the body shifts and adjusts.

Judi, good going on the hand pinching the paper. What I noticed was the paper you are pinching, in the front portion near the tip of the hand. Perhaps adding a bit of shadow on the paper and behind the thumb pad would anchor the thumb a bit more increasing the look of squeezing the paper. Hope this makes sense ???

Judi, your second hand with the fingers crossed is just great. Perhaps a little more delineation in the bend areas of the forefinger?? Just a thought.

Hey Deb, great imagination in your tub drawing. I like the rings on your toes, quite feminine :D. Looking forward to seeing this one finished, hint! Thanks for the comments on my toes. I had a problem with the instep as I have a high one.

Ha, ha Deb, I caught that little tidbit about Moose and I know that Mat wouldn't part with him so I needn't worry about having a new critter. :D

Stacy, what I like about your pre 101 hand is the "less is more look".

Hi Mary, nice work on your hand. I like the way you shaded and the bending of the fingers, but especially the palm area. Lifting will help give a bit more dimension and also, adding some detail to the bend areas of the thumb perhaps?

Hi Dave, welcome home :D

Hi Shelly, I read your book report just briefly but haven't had a chance until this morning to comment or to finish it. It was really good from what I read. I like this drawing of your forefinger and thumb. I had to position mine like that to check it out lol because I liked your unusual take on drawing the hand.

Hi Cathie, you did great for a 20 min. bout with the drawing pencil. I was just looking at my hand and was wondering how everyone's hand measured. The length of the fingers in relation to the length of the palm and the width of the palm??? I found that my overall finger length is about the same as the width of my palm when the fingers are spread a bit.

Jay, that is a very intriguing foot drawing. It looks like the bones structure peeking through. I like it. Ha, ha, my critique is more definition, rounding of the heel area :evil: :D

Wow Shelly, nice work! I do like the shading, good contrasts!

I think I'm caught up, whew!

Ann

furrtig
04-14-2005, 11:13 AM
Jay, you are a work horse man. I APPRECIATE YOU!

I was needing a good kick in the tail to get me drawing something again, so i shall get on a good hand tonight.. (and for Dee, maybe even a foot!)..

in the mean time, heres a hand i did a few months ago. it was out of the "Dynamic Hands" book. savage away ol boy!

Judi1957
04-14-2005, 12:46 PM
Hi all! :wave:

Jolanta, OK, I'll get rid of the Mechanical pencil and work with the derwents. Torture time is over. :D

Hey JayD, Nice foot! :clap: Big veins! :D You don't need to use the foot here, everyone is a workin'! :D

Shelly, Nice work! I cannot get my hand to take that position, must be cause I'm old. I think the palm pad near the wrist has too much going on shading wise.

Hi Ann! Thanks for the C & C. I understand and will reinact the position and lighting tonight. The second C & C-I will relook at that as well.

Fur,
Really like the pointing finger!

Edit: Hey Ann, Nice hatching so far! Great shapes and proportions! :clap:

Jolanta
04-14-2005, 04:46 PM
Hi,

Fur - this is a nice hand. How about drawing your own hand now and see how it feels like?

Judi - good decision. When we do practice we want to get the most of it fast. You can always do real picture with mechanical but to practice try everything you can to get to know different pencils and go faster and do more.

Ann thanks. The bottom of the thumb is too narrow comparing to the top part. Big joint of the thumb makes the bone stick out more. I am so pleased you are hatching. You can practice just hatching and cross. on separate paper. Start with hatching only with mech.pencil. Start slow and try to place lines as close as you can but keep them separate. Go faster and figure out what speed is the best to make them look good. I find going faster makes them look better. Then for crosshatching turn your paper so you will have the same directions of stroke like for hatching and by now you will be good at that. Hatch again going across existing lines and you will make crosshatching looking beautiful. It should take just few minutes to get the hang of it.

Shelly - good drawing. You have a nice highlights. They prevent from looking dirty with these dark shading. Thumb needs a crease line at the joint.

Jay - what a foot! Looks like it is carved in stone. Very interesting texture. Toes are great. Sorry, but i have a problem with veins. Veins and wrinkles are another kind of folds. Veins are bulging and have irregular shape (not straight line). When we draw veins we try to show them coming up from under the skin and when we draw wrinkles we want to show folds going into the skin. That's the difference. I did a quick sketch of both to show you. Take off this sock and look again! See the shading on one side of veins darker? They catch the light at the top.
Jolanta

idcrisis55
04-14-2005, 05:32 PM
Hi everyone!

Judi, thanks for the comments on the hand.

Jolanta, thanks for the crit of my hand sketch. The most difficult part for me is getting the dimensions right. Hopefully, that will improve with practice. I will practice the hatching/crosshatching strokes tonight. I took some pics of my hands and feet as well as downloading the ones you posted. I don't feel much like drawing, typing or painting but will at least do a little drawing. Then I'm heading for bed again.

Furrtig, I like that hand! It looks soooo, what is the word in drawing for "painterly", lol.

Ann

resgene
04-14-2005, 07:05 PM
Hi everyone, thanks for letting me skip ahead. I would like to comment on a few of the crit's so that I may learn from those comments.

Jay - in the first one the other four fingers are under the sketchbook, the first joint on the left is the knuckle ... LOL - no there aren't too many sections :) Might it have looked more obvious if I had continued the line down the back of my hand?

Jolanta - In the second hand, you know I never even noticed that I hadn't put a crease line in on the thumb ... thank you for the critique. I was thinking that the palm was too dark, do you think that it should have been a little lighter? or would that depend on the rest of the drawing? I dont think that I should put in that much detail or contrast if the hand wasnt the main subject.

Judi and Ann - yes there is alot of shading but the palm was starting to be cupped and the shading was supposed to indicate depth. My last two fingers are also a little bent, it was a very relaxed hand :D. Do you think I acheived that look?

I'm going back to my still life for Class 10, see you all later. :wave:

jmfletch
04-14-2005, 07:16 PM
Just lurking around, reading the thread before actually starting on something.

You guys sure are setting the bar high on this one!!

Peter, Shelly, Mary, CJ, An, Fur- Nice hands!! :clap: :clap:

Judi and Stacy - You must be very good girls in RL (as well as good artists!) :evil: :evil: Those are very nice rings you are both wearing. :evil: :evil:

Speaking of rings...Deb...on your toes? :evil: :evil: My Mom would have raised an eyebrow and muttered something like "Hoochie- Mama." :D I really like the faucets, the proportions and spacing is very good!

JayD - Can't think of a good pun about sticking your foot in. Nice job.


Joe

sultry
04-14-2005, 07:59 PM
Hi everyone I too lurked this class like Joe and noted the great hands and feet rendered by everyone. Thought I better comment before this thread gets too huge.
Beautiful hands for us to study from Jolanta ty for that.
:clap: for hands by Peter, Judi, Stacy, Shelly, Mary, CJ, Furr & feet by Anne & Deb
Judi I like how your thumbing the pages and the crossed fingers.
Deb I think your footsies in suds would look great hanging in a parlor.
Mary I like how you have the creases in your hand the contour is very realistic.
I have been working on my hand also but not completed yet.

Judi1957
04-14-2005, 08:05 PM
Hi Sults! :wave:
TY. So good to see ya! :clap:

Mary Woodul
04-14-2005, 08:21 PM
Hi All, :wave:

JayD, I tried to fix the pinky and the curved arcs.

CJ, Jolanta and Judi, we're all young, including me, so we don't have to worry about our pinky. :confused:
Jolanta, I tried to clean up the hand but I had used carbon pencil and it doesn't seem to come off easily.

Shelly that is such a nice and different appraoch.

Hi Deb! :wave:

Oh Judi, I love that hand, what a keen idea. :clap: I haven't gone to Las Vegas yet. We are leaving on the 23d.

CJ, have a great time and please share you suntan with me. :D

JayD, that is a great foot, you gave it so much strength, that it looks sculped out of stone.

Shelly, another very nice hand.

Hi Ann :wave: , yours is coming along and is looking good.

Wow Furtig, that is so unique, I love it! :clap:

Jolanta thanks, for that nice demo on veins.

Hey Joe, :wave: thanks for your comment.

Sultry, I was missing you, nice to see you. :wave:

Judi1957
04-14-2005, 08:55 PM
Hi Mary :wave: ,
I see you washed your hand-lol. It does look much, much better! :clap:
The thing that looks off to me is the length of the pinky (at least that is how my hand is). I think it should be as tall as the top joint of the ring finger. I think the lowest section of the pinky is the section that is too long.

Jolanta
04-14-2005, 09:21 PM
Mary - this is a good hand. I agree with Judi on pinky. Just take a look again at yours. Did you do the background for this? You got me thinking.
If anybody wants to be really creative you can make a background medium value using scraped graphite from your pencil and then pull and push your hand. It means add shading with pencils and lift lighter places with eraser. It can be very interesting. Try not to show lines. Build the hand with values only and at the end add the line here and there to sharpen the edges but DONT make continous line around. Lost line or broken line looks very natural and should be used instead of continuous line which looks like you were tracing. Just trust me.
Jolanta

Mary Woodul
04-14-2005, 09:30 PM
Jolanta, I will have to try that. I don't know anything about backgrounds in drawings. I have always painted and had not drawn until I came to JayD's wonderful 101.

Thank you Judi also, JayD had pointed that out to me and I thought I had shortened it but I just looked at my hand and I do see that it is the lower section that is too long. I will corrrect that and try the background.

Thank you , both. :wave:

Cathie Jones
04-14-2005, 11:27 PM
:wave: Hi! It's me again! Everyone's drawings are looking sooooo good! I'm really jealous.

JayD, I think you broke the paper barrier for me a long time ago. At least I'm not afraid to try anymore. I still have much trouble with getting proportions right, no matter what I'm drawing, but I also don't practice as much as I should. It'll come . . .

Jo, I like the way you drew the veins, but I have to tell you . . . my hands are old and the veins on the backs are blue and darker than the skin. And right now, they're really popping (I've been clothes shopping for the trip - - talk about stress!). How would you draw blue, popping veins? Or would you plead artistic license and do them as you did above?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to practice native tushies for Judi. :D

Jolanta
04-15-2005, 12:21 AM
Hi,
Good point. Hands of old people show a lot of going on. You see bones more clearly, blemishes, folds, veins. As far as veins I personally draw them this way and I will tell you why. I know they are bluish and look bit darker than the skin. You can shade them flat very lightly but I like the look of them popping so to me they look like pipes under skin. To get this round pipe look I have to shade them correctly with darker edge and catching light on the top. To me this way looks more realistic. Different artists can do it differently and as long as they look believable and read as veins it's fine. Let me show you how I did old person hand long time ago. See all details? and I kept the veins light and to me they still read as veins. Here is "Perfect Companion"
Have fun with drawing
Jolanta

SILKNSATIN
04-15-2005, 12:31 AM
Awesome everyone. :clap: :clap:
I'm gunna try to get in here :) .Honest me trying :D

SILKNSATIN
04-15-2005, 01:39 AM
Ok ok ill show what I have so far.It's not adult hands or feet but their human :) .The little one in charcoal is my grandaughter.Thought i'd try one in charcoal and one in graphite.Now onto the adult hand and foot. :wave:

Judi1957
04-15-2005, 06:31 AM
Hi Bon! :wave:
I love them both, but the second one is so realistic and unexpected. I thought at first it was a photo! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Are you enjoying being a Guide?

JayD
04-15-2005, 09:54 AM
I corrected one aspect of the vein on my foot and I removed the "interesting" stony texture to conform but I have to say that I did not correct much on the veins--as a certified phlebotomist, I kind of know this area and the the veins in this particular foot (which is not mine by the way) is vericose and can sometimes be quite severe and, as a diabetic, I have had to come to know feet extremely well.--in the drawing that I posted previously I removed the loop which made the drawing look funky anyway. I have never seen a vein loop up like a Hot Wheels test track. Sometimes, giving in to formulae is not always the best solution but certainly recipes should not be ignored. :)

SILKNSATIN
04-15-2005, 10:23 AM
Thank you Judi.Yes im enjoying it. :D
Here's the photos.
I didn't spend alot of time on my grandbaby but I was pressed for time. :evil:

Fireman's kid
04-15-2005, 10:57 AM
Hi all! Just keeping up with the reading. Haven't had time to do any new drawings yet.

Jolanta - the reason I (completely) erased the hand I was working on is because it wasn't an honest effort. My heart wasn't in it and I wasn't concentrating. In fact I was very distracted at the time. I don't normally throw out or destroy bad drawings. I normally try to correct them so I can learn something or, worst case, just move on to the next. But this time I was disgusted with my effort (there was none) so I got rid of the evidence. :rolleyes:

Judi - I love the drawing with the crossed fingers! That must have been challenging. I see the folds lesson came in handy! :D

CJ - I like your sketch. I was comparing my real hand to your drawing and noticed we both have long, thin fingers. But I also got depressed because I've never studied my hand so closely before and never realized how wrinkly it is getting! :crying: My only consolation is that the pinkie hasn't started to turn in yet. Have a great time on your trip!!

JayD - I found your foot a little scarey. :o To me it looked like it could belong to Frankenstine. But after reading your description in a later post I thought of my Grandfather's diabetic feet and realized they looked a bit like they could belong to Frankenstine too.

Shelly - I think the drawing of the palm side of your hand is great! I love the shading. Glad you came to join us in this class! You are allowed to stick with us and make up the classes you missed later you know. :) There are a couple I need to go back and finish but I have so much more fun staying with the group!

Ann - Nice hand sketch from the doctor's office. Was anyone watching you draw? I get nervous when people watch me so I never draw my best in public. The cross hatching looks nice. That is on my list of things to learn how to do too! Maybe I'll try it on my next hand or foot. I read Jolanta's directions so that should help.

Furrtig - the pointing finger is great! And I like the quality of line in your drawing. Thanks for popping into 101! We believe in the saying "the more the merrier!"

Judi and Joe - had to chuckle over the comments on the ring. :) What can I say...I think the truth is not that I'm a good girl :angel: but that hubby is a good boy. He picked it all on his own! :D

But Joe I really had a laugh over this...
Speaking of rings...Deb...on your toes? My Mom would have raised an eyebrow and muttered something like "Hoochie- Mama."
Deb, I think you should officially change your WC user name to "Hoochie-Mama". lol I need one of CJ's laughing smilies!

Sults - good to see you pop in. I've been thinking about you. Are you feeling any better yet? :(

Mary - your "clean" hand looks much nicer! The shading looks better. I'll be happy if my darwing turns out this well.

Jolanta - someday I want to try the method you described to Mary, but I don't know if I'm brave enough yet. So many interesting things to try...so little time. :wink2:

Bon - that second drawing of yours made me gasp. It was not at all what I expected. But it's great! And very unique. How did you ever capture that photo?!? And how did you get the belly skin sooooo smooth in the drawing? Wow, wow wow!!!

Whew! I think I finally caught up! Of course I will be away from the computer Sat and Sun so I'm sure to fall behind again. Have a great weekend everyone! And happy drawing!

bjcpaints
04-15-2005, 11:51 AM
Wow! I am soooo far behind - behinder than I thought! Hello everyone -Your hands/feet drawings are great! Jolanta -You are an amazing teacher! Bonnie - that belly drawing has me speechless - trying to speak - it is more than wonderful. Is it your daughter or daughter-in-law? Sultry, What happened to your avatar?! Are you going incognito? LOL I have to change mine as I see someone else here is using this one now. Finished my income taxes and am looking forward to doing some artwork this weekend!
Barbara

Jolanta
04-15-2005, 03:48 PM
Jay - I didn't realize this is such a special foot. I didn't know how to read the dark lines - what they represented? Keep them any way you like. It is hard to give the opinion without seeing the original - nothing to compare. Are we still friends???
Barbara - thanks a lot. Good teacher? You make me feel so good! My students are coming back to me forever, some say I am changing their lives. That's the highes complement I got so far. I just feel so good when I can help somebody. I go around WC sometimes looking for "help" word. WC is so big now I cannot do what I wish I could do because of time but if I can help just one person - I am happy.
Silknsatin - your work shows great drawing skills and the subjects are just perfect. Keep drawing and showing.
Jolanta
PS. I cleaned the kitchen really good today - no more housework - now I am going to have fun. I just need to figure out what I want to draw. Let's see....

JayD
04-15-2005, 04:15 PM
Jo, truth be told--I was experimenting with the skin and from the reaction here, the experiment failed--no harm, no foul of course. I dont always post things that I do that are good--if I mess up, I will post anyway--while this might seem a bit Roger Dimsdale, it helps me to find my mistakes by getting an objective view from others and from side by side comparison. So, not being sure that the drawing sucked--I needed confirmation. Regarding the veins--veins are, in the DeReyna world, composed of cylinders--the fascinating thing about veins and and such (not sure about arteries) is that they are not aways stationary and will shift their position especially those near the surface so it is rare to see ones that are, for example, in a straight line. Veins of drug users who use venapuncture will have hardened veins, obese peoples veins are hard to locate and will roll with the fat--the elderly have a variety of types depending on their condition.

idcrisis55
04-15-2005, 07:38 PM
Hi Y'all :D

Bon, love the drawings. When I saw that foot imprint I went wow.

Cathie, Wishing you a safe, great trip!

Stacy, if people were watching they weren't being obvious about it, so I didn't get nervous. Now if it was somewhere like a mall or something I would be more nervous lol. I'm still practicing the crosshatching as what I've done looks sick. Everyone makes it look light and easy, ha! Good luck with yours. I know you will do it well!!!

Hi Barbara, I stay behind but I've decided I'm just going to do all that I can and not stress over what I can't lol. It takes the enjoyment out of it otherwise and I don't seem to grasp as much. So hope you relax and enjoy what you can do :) (I hope "in charge" folks don't get upset with me for my philosophy. lol)

Jay, I have to tell I really liked your drawings in the lesson. I am trying to do the hand practice piece and I'm making a mess of it. The good part is, I'm doing it lol. I'm getting low on pencils (stubs) and my order should be here tomorrow!!!

I'm finding that it helps a lot to just do these, adjusting, erasing, etc. not worrying about the paper. This is my first in progress from your practice piece. It isn't done and is very rough. Will do more but I'm having fun just learning to get the proportions and figuring how the fingers should be :)



Judi, Sults, Joe, thanks for the comments on the other hand :).

Later,
Ann

Deb Leger
04-15-2005, 07:52 PM
...
Speaking of rings...Deb...on your toes? :evil: :evil: My Mom would have raised an eyebrow and muttered something like "Hoochie- Mama." :D I really like the faucets, the proportions and spacing is very good!...

Joe

Hello Joseph.

"Hoochie-Mama"???

"Hoochie-Mama"???

Now that I've picked myself up off the floor from laughing so hard, I thought I'd reply. :p Thank you for the compliments on the faucets but I'm still not sure if the hoochie-mama bit is a good thing or a rather questionable thing.

And yes Stacy, I think Hoochie-Mama would make a great id name. But I think I'll wait until Joe tells me if it's a good thing or not. :D (I could be sticking my foot into my mouth without knowing it. :D I really don't want to end up chewing on thigh here.)

CJ, how on earth do you get the smiley central smiley's to show up in here??? I desperately needed some rolling eyeballs, some one-eyebrow-raised faces, and some haughty-looking-down-the-end-of-my-nose ones, 'specially for Joe! Couldn't get them to work and the little ones here just don't convey the message as well.

On to some more replies, then drawing ...

signed,
Hooch
:evil:

Judi1957
04-15-2005, 08:29 PM
Hi Ann and Hoochie Mamma :wave:
(Psst Deb-I think Hoochie Mamma means you may walk on the wild side-LOL-not sure, I've heard it but have never been accused of it :wink2: )
Well, posting this but I am not really happy with it, and I have a problem...I keep moving the pencil-(I'll try harder Jolanta to rough 'em :( ). Though a finished drawing it is not.
My idol is William Bouguereau and if anyone is interested in seeing Masterpieces here is one link (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/art.asp?aid=7&page=1) to his works.

This was drawn with reference to Petite boudeuse by Bouguereau.
It is a little fuzzy-my camera skills at work :rolleyes: . Her leg is a bit mis-shapen on the top right and the toe in the rear really bothers me. :( I think the rear foot is not quiet long enough.

Opps Ann, Missed your attachment (again :( -TGIF) I am liking the back hand. :)

Deb Leger
04-15-2005, 08:33 PM
Judi, wow, you are really putting out hands! I love the crossed fingers! It looks like drawing these comes very easy to you.

Jolanta, your drawings are so beautiful! I just love the thumb-sucker! I was going to post the lesson pdf tonight but will add all the extra really great info you and Jay have been providing. I was going to ask how to do veins as opposed to wrinkles but you've already answered it. It sounds so easy when you really get into it but before this class, I had no idea! I don't love my cat bunches. We have a love/hate relationship. He loves to torment me and I hate him for it. (We're talking about a cat who chews every wire/cord he can find, including computer wires, electrical wires, a cat who ruins my blinds to the point where I have to replace them every two months or so and a cat who routinely chews through my phone wires every couple of weeks. I'm on a first name basis with the guys at Radio Shack. We're also talking about a cat who purposely vomits on MY side of the bed only and plunks his behind two inches from my face on the pillow at 4 am.)

Shelly, good hand and only an hour??? Wow!

Ann, hi! Thanks for the comments on the rings. (I've been wearing them for about three years now - I tried the actual toe ring type, which is kinda like a 'c' clamp but they pinch too much. So, I bought two wedding rings and had them made down to size three's. Presto - no pinching ever!) And you're right - Mat won't let me part with the fiend-cat. I've even tried to bribe him. I love the crosshatching you did on your hand! It looks so natural like that - just a bit but so effective! And good work on your two hands together - are they your hands?

Furrtig, that is one awesome hand!!! Thanks for sharing it and I hope you show us more.

Sults, when are we going to see some hands and feet from you? You should find these a breeze to do!

Mary good hand! It's too bad someone here isn't a palm-reader, what with all our hands shown!

Bon, beautiful drawings!!! I love the belly with the foot showing! Is that real - I mean, was that photo untouched and did the foot really show through the skin so clearly? Wow! It's beautiful! Footprints before birth. With my two boys, I frequently had bumps stick out which were feet or elbows but never a foot like that!! Wow!! Great hair and hands on your grandchild, too.

Jay, nice foot drawing! And I like what you said - feet come in all shapes and sizes and this one has lots of character! And thanks for the talk on veins - it reminded me that I need to go back to the book and take a peek at what de Reyna says. (I often forget we have a book!) I also need to find out more about cross-hatching, like where to put it. After seeing Ann's hand, I want to learn how.

Barbara, hi! One of my favourite sayings is "the hurrier I go, the behinder I get".

Okay, enough prevaricating. I need to go draw now. Sometimes, it's just hard to get started but once started, it's so enjoyable and easy to get lost in.

Deb
(aka Hoochie-Mama)

JayD
04-15-2005, 08:55 PM
Deb, if you want to check out hatching and cross hatching chec out this site:

http://www.speel.demon.co.uk/ilintro.htm

This covers illustrators of the Victorian period. My favorite, Sir John Tenniel, is listed there as well. Have fun.

Cathie Jones
04-15-2005, 09:52 PM
Judi, I think those legs and feet are terrific! They don't look out of proportion to me . . . but wait for the experts to take a look.

Hi Hooch! The Smiley Central smilies don't go right into the posts here. You have to e-mail the ones you want to yourself, then right-click on them and save them to a file on your computer. I start all of their names with 'Smiley' so they're easy to find. Then you use the uploader to get them in your post . . . that's why sometimes I don't use them - it can be a pain when you're in a hurry and WC is moving like molassas!

You can also right-click and save any of the animations you see in other people's posts here as long as they aren't originals. The fainting smiley is one of my favorites.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Apr-2005/23460-smiley_faint.gif

Judi1957
04-15-2005, 10:21 PM
The Smiley Central smilies don't go right into the posts here. You have to e-mail the ones you want to yourself, then right-click on them and save them to a file on your computer. I start all of their names with 'Smiley' so they're easy to find. Then you use the uploader to get them in your post . . . that's why sometimes I don't use them - it can be a pain when you're in a hurry and WC is moving like molassas!

And that is why you are the gif Queen!

TY CJ, Hey, when do you take off?, I know it is soon. I hope you two have a wonderful time!

sultry
04-15-2005, 11:22 PM
Sults, when are we going to see some hands and feet from you? You should find these a breeze to do!
Deb I would but I tore it up, sorry, I am not doing very well with my Muse, I lost her. :(
Most of you know I was just diagnosed with the 1st stage of cervical cancer so I have been up and down the last week. I will try to draw another hand I promise. Judi keeps on me to keep drawing. Ty Judi I wub you. & great feet.

Ann I like the position of those hands.

Judi1957
04-16-2005, 12:16 AM
Hey Sults :wave:
Wub ya too. :) You have a lot of support here in this wonderful circle of friends!

idcrisis55
04-16-2005, 05:36 AM
Good Morning Everyone :D

Judi, you are doing so well drawing the hands and feet. I especially like the toes in this last drawing. With the practice you are doing your work will come on quickly.

Hi Deb :D, Hoochie Mama, ROFL, Joe you did good lol. I got such a chuckle when I read that. What did Gilles say (i'm still chuckling). Oh, and the crossed hand is from Jay's practice piece in Post #1 or #2.

Sults, I didn't know. Hugs & prayers for you. I miss you around here and hope you are back with us full strength soon.

Thanks for the link to crosshatching Jay. I will look at that.

Ann

JayD
04-16-2005, 09:00 AM
Sults, dont worrry about the hand right now--our prayers and thoughts are with you--you just take care of the business of getting well--not just for you, but for all of us. Know that we all love you and will be praying hard for your quick return to the 101ers. :)

Cathie Jones
04-16-2005, 09:14 AM
Hi all . . . final check-in time. We'll be leaving the house in about 2 hours, and the plane takes off at 1 p.m. (we hope!). I'll be mentally taking all of you with me and promise to take lots of photos so we can draw stuff when I get back.

Sults, I didn't know, and I could not improve on what JayD said, so DITTO. And try to keep your spirits up . . . I know from the experience of a close friend that attitude has a lot to do with recovery. Above all, remember that a lot of people have a great deal of respect and affection for you, so you're not alone.

Time to jump in the shower and get this day moving. Thanks for all the previous good wishes . . . I can't wait to get myself onto a tropical beach and get some rest!!! See ya!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Apr-2005/23460-germanhula2.gif

mothsailor
04-16-2005, 09:29 AM
Sults, I didn't know either. I'd just like to echo what JayD and CJ said. I'll be thinking of you.

sultry
04-16-2005, 02:23 PM
wow Thank you, Judi, Ann, Jay, CJ & Dave (& all who PMd me).
I do want to be here with you all too.
I have missed everyone & posting because I want to help out in anyway I can by lending my eye out to assist others see what I see, so they can enhance their artist eye.
Why? Because it helps me to focus on others and not myself and also gives me such a great feeling to know they are closer to thier artistic goals.
So, Jay, expect my rendering of my hand soon. I am working on it because Judi is right, it is relaxing to doodle.
I have a few more tests to go through before they really determine how far it has spread. I do know this, I am so glad I did join WC and this class. I plan to take it easy but I do not plan to leave you and go it alone. So thanks again for all your support & pms and just being YOU. LOL btw my hand looks like a claw (wonder what that means).

rosebard
04-16-2005, 02:54 PM
Sultry, didnt know that. But you are going to be allright, me too will be thinking and praying for you. But do keep drawing. Waiting for you to recover fully to give that big hand and heart that you have. Thanks for always helping me around here.

Here is my little attempt. Tried the foot but didnt work out. This week I didnt have much time. had to start on going to doctor to check up my health and made some routine exams, next week more going to take the results back to the doc. Feeling much better now. Trying to get into my drawing and painting routine again.

There is so much stunning drawings here that I feel so frustated with mine. But I know that time to do things right and practice. So I will keep up the good atitude.

:wave:

Jolanta
04-16-2005, 03:27 PM
Hi,
Ann - keep going, you doing good and please put back all the fingers you amputated from another hand hehe!

Judi - this is lovely. I don't see anything wrong with it. I love the bone on the side of the ankle (don't know the name of it). Good eyes, steady hand - keep moving. Your pencil is moving??? I think this is what they suppose to do.

Deb - you know what? When I read your replies I know you would make a great story teller - just in case you need another job. You so funny!

Sults - very sorry but don't you dare get depressed over it. Try to keep your mind off it and do what the doctor says. Just few years ago when I was so sick I asked myself every day what's the point of being around I would be better dead in desperation I started to draw. Look at me now. Only now I can tell I got my question answered. I have the best time in my life - just the way I like it. I will pray for you. Remember positive attitude will help you heal and keep busy. Drawing helps me to get lost mentally when I feel down or have a problem and don't know how to solve it and worry about it even helps to reduce pain. Try to draw even if you don't feel like it - forse yourself to start and you will go from there.....

Rose - what a gentle shading - see how little it takes to make drawing look good? I cannot comment on second one - can't see it too well.

Jolanta

jmfletch
04-16-2005, 07:45 PM
Deb - Judi got it. "...Hoochie Mamma means you may walk on the wild side-LOL-not sure, I've heard it but have never been accused of it..."

My Mom used that for "women who you wouldn't bring home." :evil: You know like women who went in bars unescorted or smoked in public. :D

Actually my Mom used the term hoochie. Hoochie-mama is part of the current vernacular. I hear the kids in school use it and I 've heard it on a few TV shows. It is basically a women of shall we say questionable moral standards.

Joe

P.S. I meant it lovingly. Just wanted to tease you about the toe rings. So Hooch, if you are in any way offended, I will publicly apologize. :D

Judi1957
04-16-2005, 07:47 PM
TY for those who commented on my crossed fingers. What was most challenging is when I took a break, getting the fingers in the exact same position again and keeping the shadows the same as well. I would have taken a pic and printed it out, but I am low on ink. :eek:

Deb, You would be a great storyteller. I used to take the kids when they were little and I was just as enthralled as they were.

Jolanta,
Thanks. What I meant by my comment on the pencil keeps moving is I do not seem to be able to do a rough sketch, I keep trying to develop it. I move slow and tediously. :( Now that I re-read your comments, I see I mistook what you were saying. Develop- but don't spend so much time on it, to use a medium that'll get me there faster. OK, I am dense at times. :D LOL

Edit: Hey Joe :music: :wave:
Another Edit: Hi Rose-Lovely hand!

JayD
04-16-2005, 10:19 PM
Rose, great first hand and fortunately I CAN see the second hand clearly--the fingers on the second hand look a bit flat to me and I would lose the hard edge of the lines surrounding the fingers. Jolanta made a comment earlier about how contoured hands can sometimes looked traced and, of course, she is absolutely on the money--there is a way to do a contour and a way NOT to do it. If you work with contours work with the LIGHTEST HARDEST pencil that you have. The trick is to develop your drawing to a point that the detail of the contour begins to fade away. You can also draw the contour, like you did in this case and then take a kneaded eraser and LIFT of a lot of the graphite so that you have a only a faint trace of the outline--when you develope the drawing, the faintest contour lines will disappear. the other way, as Jolanta indicated is to just JOT down the lines indicating the path but breaking up the continuous line. Either way works fine.

Soften the edges, Rose and then try to give the fingers some roundness--shading will help immensely but be gentle--it will not need a lot.

I like the simplicity of your drawings--they are a pleasure to view. Thank you. :)

Jolanta
04-16-2005, 10:44 PM
Jay - you are absolutely right 100%. I just wanted to add one thing. Using the hardest pencil is the best way to do contour drawing - as you said - but go LIGHTLY. Hard pencil will give you light line even when you push hard. Some people have tendency to push. If you push harder it will make dent mark in the paper and it will stay there and after shading later you will see funny things because of that. So barely touch with hard pencil - that's all.
Rose - your second hand on my screen looks like a ghost. I don't like guessing but if Jay can see it clearly I stand right behind him.
Jolanta

JayD
04-16-2005, 10:52 PM
Hi, Jo--I am working on a laptop so moving the screen around brings the image into focus--one other thing on the hard pencils. I draw on Rising Stonehenge, my favorite paper next to arches--just personal choice--nothing magic about it--Stonehenge takes a LOT of layers but it is a VERY soft type of paper--generally intended for printing. You have to BUILD your drawings lightly layer by layer and be very careful not to impress into the paper--impressing can be very permanent and unless you're doing a Hillberry, you will have problems.

Editorial moment of enlightenment: Jo, after I posted this I realized that you and I just said the same thing! :D I plead late nite head spinning. However, the Stonehenge comments should be left as corroboration of what you just said.

idcrisis55
04-17-2005, 06:44 AM
Good Morning Everyone,

Rose, such softness in your hand drawings. As always, I learn a lot from reading the comments, now to learn to apply it.

Deb, I agree with Judi, you would make a great story teller :)

Just checking in to see the work and read.

Ann

idcrisis55
04-17-2005, 08:25 AM
Here is my updated hands. I don't like the angle of the thumb on the hand that is cupped. It looks more like a finger than a thumb :( My pencils arrived and I used the Prismacolor water soluble pencils to finish this up. The paper is actually white and lightened it a little in Photoshop. Didn't want to do the Auto Levels as it makes the darks tooo dark :)

Jolanta, I hope I solved the problem of the chopped off fingers lol :D :D

Ann

Judi1957
04-17-2005, 10:50 AM
Hi Ann, :wave:
I think the problem here with the thumb is the construction. I did a copy of my hand. I did not exactly get the exact angle you are viewing it from, but I think you can see what I mean. Look at where and how the thumb meets the hand.

idcrisis55
04-17-2005, 11:25 AM
Judi, thanks for posting that pic of your hand. I kept trying to look at mine in that position. Do you know how hard that is when the hand is attached ROFL :D

Seriously though, I'll set the time on the camera and take some hand pictures to use as well. I appreciate your looking at this and helping me out!

Ann

JayD
04-17-2005, 11:27 AM
Ann, if you and I are ever sitting down at a dinner table,I wil not rudle reach across the table to get the salt. I migh lose my hand! :D Where is the Arm! :D

Regarding those fingers--think about the the cylinders--your fingers are flattening out at the ends and it looks like they ar chopped off--remember to think in terms of depth when you are drawing--try round those fingers a bit and try to move away from sharp edges.

idcrisis55
04-17-2005, 12:31 PM
ROFL Jay, now that brings a drawing to mind, an old woman carrying her "hardware" with her while having lunch with her instructor :evil: :D . Thanks for the help and I'll get better at this, with time and practice (I hope). I'm enjoying this lesson, you know :D

Ann

Jolanta
04-17-2005, 04:38 PM
Hi Ann,
I need to add something just trying to help you see. In the hand on left side (stretched out) 4th finger looks wider than others. In the bended hand I want you to look at top of your hand and see different lenght of all fingers. Now bend your fingers holding your hand in front of you just like you bended for drawing. Can you see the rounding shape on the ends? In the position in your drawing they will not be rounded as much but still some. Yours bended fingers end with straight line. This is what makes them look chopped. I am talking about each end of the finger rounded and all of them across rounded too. Don't give up , you doing good.
Jolanta

sultry
04-17-2005, 07:36 PM
Hi everyone :wave:
Well it took me ALL week but I completed my hand finally. I am tired of it and afraid of adding too much so here it is.
Done with .5 HB mech pencil; no blending & some kneaded eraser pick outs here & there. Told you it resembles a claw, I told Judi it is the puma in me coming out.

JayD
04-17-2005, 07:52 PM
Sults, that is beautiful! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Judi1957
04-17-2005, 08:13 PM
Hey Sults!
Sorry been away from the pc making stuffing for a turkey dinner for tomorrow nite (and you all are invited :D )

Wow, I agree that is beautiful detailed work! Looks like you got every nook and cranny here! :D
and... :cat: :cat: :cat: LOL
:clap: :clap: :clap:

What pencils did you use?

Mary Woodul
04-17-2005, 09:05 PM
Hi Everyone! :wave: I'm behind on the posts again.

Sultry, you know I am praying for you and I have asked my little angel to look after you, and believe me she will. Please don't quit drawing. :D

Judi that is a good drawing of the legs and feet.

Rose I think you hand has a very realistic soft touch to it.

Ann, what I think I see in your hands is a lack of curavature in perspective, so that the fingers don't end bluntly on the folded hand.. I like all of the rest.

Sults, I think your hand is dramatic and very realistic.

Well I turned my hand and tried to correct the pinky. I don't know if I did. The foot is my 3 year old grandson's foot but I got the shading messy. I did the background shading with a grafite bar but then lost control of it. Jolanta, to use the grafite powder, what do you extend it with so it will look smooth? The other post is a WIP of the same 3 year old grandson. I will continue to work on it.

Jolanta
04-17-2005, 09:45 PM
Jay -once again it was great idea to extend class to 2 weeks. Look how fast they are progressing!

Sults - this is exceptional hand. All details you are showing. No wonder it took a while but it was worth it! Great fingernails. Lol I wouldn't be able to do anything with nails like this. Wait - maybe I should let them grow and use as excuse when I feel lazy? I love it - very strong drawing and expressive.

Mary - you did a lot of work here showing different ways of doing them. My favorite is a little foot. You got the age right here. Great!
If you want to use graphite powder or charcoal powder you can rub it into paper using all kinds of stuff. First you should experiment on piece of paper to see the difference. Just make small samples and keep for future references.
Try your fingers, bigger brush, piece of paper, paper towel ( I like Viva), toilet paper, Qtips, cotton balls, ....whatever you can think of. Some of them will absorb most of it so just add more powder a bit at the time and try to make it smooth going with layers until you happy with the value. Don't push hard - it will be hard to lift later. You can push hard in places where you know you need much darker. When you done with the blending tool don't throw it away you can use it as a drawing tool and make very delicate moody atmospheric image of landscape for example with it and a bit extra powder.

Jolanta

Judi1957
04-17-2005, 09:59 PM
HEY DAVE WHERE ARE YOU???

Hi Mary :wave: , The foot was great, baby feet-Awww! Very nice work. :clap:

Hey Jolanta :wave:

Posting pudgy toes :D , I see some shading/highlighting problems but I think the shape and proportions are OK.

JayD
04-17-2005, 10:08 PM
Mary, Jolanta has pretty much said it all--I like the child with the fingers--although rough you should consider a colored pencil piece using that sketch--while the feet and hands are wonderful, your sketch with the child examining the fingers exudes personality and should be further explored. Nice Work.

Jo--the two weeks is now a permanent fixture here. Being a cp person, I am beginning to appreciate the need for more time on some of these things.

Beginning Monday, I will start writing and producing the next class.

Mary Woodul
04-17-2005, 10:15 PM
Thank you JayD, Jolanta and Judi. I'm glad I posted my grandson early before adding too much grafite, I will try colored pencil. :wave:

Judi1957
04-17-2005, 10:25 PM
You will love the CP Mary!
Honest! :D

Jolanta
04-17-2005, 10:29 PM
Judi - with these perfect toes you should be walking around barefoot only!
Jolanta

JayD
04-18-2005, 06:52 AM
Wow, Judi--you guys are really cookin'! By the end of this week your papers are going to get up and start walking around! You had better erase those opposable thunbs so they can't get into the fridge! :D

sultry
04-18-2005, 11:03 AM
Ty Jay, Judi, Mary & Jolanta :) oh & ty for the Angel Mary hugs
Jay wow I am blushing & Jolanta that comment really means alot to me, since you are a strict critique ( a very good one though). I will tell you I do think the wrist needs more values but I do not want to put too much there incase it takes the eye away from the hand.

I agree Jay they are really throwing out some beautiful hands & feet in record time.
Judi your hands & feet keep getting better & better. I like the softness your style is.
Mary I too love your grandson picture staring at his hands. Looks like he is showing his hands are clean so he can have a cookie. :) Yes this in color would be wonderful.
Oh Judi I used only 1 pencil 0.5 HB mech & no blending ( I think that may be why Mary thinks it looks dramatic, I like the look of no blending, It has a look of crisp clear texture to me).
I am so glad you made this 2 weeks Jay now I can spend a whole week on the foot. :cat:

idcrisis55
04-18-2005, 11:16 AM
Thanks Jolanta, I took a picture this morning so will try working from that to get the correct shape and positioning you are talking about. I appreciate the encouragement and especially the constructive comments :)

Sults this looks great! Love the work on the veining and the way you did the bends of the fingers. Bravo!

Mary, you have been very busy! The hand looks good to me and I love your drawing of your grandson's foot. I can hardly wait to see the finished drawing of your grandson holding up his hands. It is looking good already. Thanks for looking at my hand too and your help :)

Judi, the shape looks great. I like how you did your toes and the heel work.

Cheers :D
Ann

mothsailor
04-18-2005, 12:13 PM
HEY DAVE WHERE ARE YOU???



Sorry...just very busy at the moment. You guys are all doing so well! Hope I don't fall too far behind. :(

Judi1957
04-18-2005, 12:18 PM
Hope you get freed up soon Dave :wave: -we are missing you-and Joe!-and Barb!
And as for CJ :envy:

sultry
04-18-2005, 12:49 PM
Hiyas Judi :wave: You forgot Marilyn & Michelle too, Where is Bon?
Thanks Ann :cat:

Judi1957
04-18-2005, 12:52 PM
Hi backatcha Sults! :wave:
OK, so it's Monday :( Add 'em to the list.
HEY YOU GUYS-TIME TO COME OUT AND PLAY!

bjcpaints
04-18-2005, 02:20 PM
Hi everyone - just wanted to say "HI!". I don't have much time these days due to the in-law situation. :( Just trying to read all the posts here takes time - I can't believe how many pages in this thread already!
Ann, I'm adopting your philosophy of "do what I can and relax and enjoy it and not stress out". I do tend to stress out when I'm behind and I know my work shows it.
Sultry, Still praying for you - see how many of us there are now!!!! It is important you are aware of all these positive thoughts and prayers for you.
Try to stay positive and know that you have a good support network.
Judi, Thanks for that link to the wonderful work of Bouguereau! I added it to my favorites!
Deb, Where was I....I lost what I wanted to say (interrupted by my boss).
Oh, I don't think you are Hoochi-Mama material - you have too much class!
Hi JayD, Mary, Jolanta, Dave, Jim,etc - must go back to work -they have me chained to my desk here.
Barbara

jmfletch
04-18-2005, 07:26 PM
WOW!! Y'all are really getting good!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Sults - as usual very dramatic! :clap:

Mary - Gotta agree with the crowd..the drawing of your grandson studing his hands is great! :clap:

Judi - I love blended pencil and you did a great job on your foot! :clap:
(Did you take your rings off first?? Or are you going to try to tell us you don't wear them :D )


Here's my efforts from the last few days. I made an initial effort at drawing my hand, wasn't too happy, so then I tried a "generic" hand. Thinking I had the basic idea of hand proportion I then did a more finished piece. The last one I did during school today and it is a "two fer". I am posting it here as a hand and I am going to post it in the Creativity project as an effort in pen which is not a medium I would normally use. :D

Joe

Judi1957
04-18-2005, 08:21 PM
Thanks All. :)
Hi Barb, Whatever the in-law situation is-I hope it clears up soon-we miss you! Glad you enjoyed the Bouguereau link. Isn't his work wonderful!

Hey Joe :music:
So glad you came in! :D
Nice hands. I see you're a jewelry man too! (Hoochie Papa?)
No, I don't wear any rings on my toes. Gotta give Pat's wallet a break somewhere! :D
I really like your two fer Joe! It looks like you could be an illustrator!
I think you got your proportions best in Hand 1 and two fer. :clap:

jmfletch
04-18-2005, 08:35 PM
Thanks Judi! :wave: I actually thought I had the proportions best in the final graphite, until I posted them. :D

Why do they always look so different on the screen? Look at ithem upside down, in a mirror, upside down in mirror... they look good. Scan them in, maybe a bit of a change but still looking good..then you post them and BAM!! No good scientific explaination. (Maybe pictures changing when you post should be in JayD's Scribble thread of weird events. :evil: )


BTW, that is my wedding ring, which probably keeps me from being a Hoochie-Papa on occasion. :D

Speaking of lost folks...Where is Deb? (hoping I haven't offended her. :o )

Joe

Judi1957
04-18-2005, 08:40 PM
Hope I didn't offend you Joe on the ring. It is not the conventional wedding ring. I debated on commenting and lost :( .
Naw, I don't think you can offend Deb, she is quite amused by the whole Hoochie Mama thing :D Like we all were. :D

JayD
04-18-2005, 10:38 PM
Hey Jimmy-JOE :evil:

I have been watching all evening and thinking about your drawings. I like the hand pressed against the paper while the other holds the pen. there is character in that drawing and you want to evoke a feeling in anything that you draw. So that hand has my personal favorite vote.

You have GOT to stop using the mascara to outline your hands. :D Soften those edges--you are corraling in the objects and it DOES effect your visual perception of what you have drawin. It is sort of like like the picture hanging crooked. When you ouline you are cutting off the subtle curves that round out the hand into those cylinders that we so love here in 101. the proportions are just dandy. Soften up the lines and its off to the Vatican Ceiling with you and the brushes. Good work!!! :)

StancyMcKatt
04-18-2005, 10:47 PM
Long time no poke my head in for me... School is awsome, but I'm not used to getting up early. So it's draining. I'm planning on takeing my free period in the afternoons to get extra stuff done, includeing some of my other 'classes'

I was looking at these earlyer today in my sketch book... and I was like... I did those? :eek: ... I love it when I do that. I know they'er not perfect, but I love'em anyway. ^-^

Sounds kinda wierd but I've found if I don't stress over perportions and such, they look better than if I mesure, build, and whatever'em. Wierd... but it works. :rolleyes:

Enough chattering... Here they are.

JayD
04-18-2005, 10:53 PM
Hey crystal. I am glad that you could pop in. The foot I like very much especially the way the little toe curls in. You have also kept the sketch very simple and sometimes simple works best.

Regarding the re-examine the thumb and check it for proportions. I also think it pulls out a bit more. the rest of the hand is very nice. You have done very nice work. :)

Judi1957
04-18-2005, 11:13 PM
Hi Crys!
I was wondering what happened to you. Good to have you back! :clap:

StancyMcKatt
04-18-2005, 11:28 PM
Jay D: I think the reason that the thumb looks wierd is cause of the way I was holding my hand when I was drawing it. (The modeling hand, not the drawing one :wink2: ).... But I do think it needs to be out more.

Glad you like my foot.... I didn't know if that little toe actually looked right or not. I think that was the main part of the foot that I was iffy on.


Hey Judi... I was here, just lurking, and not posting. ^-^; I barely had time to do my emails for a couple of days there. I was so tired. I'll get used to it in a few weeks.

Now on to poke around some of the others to see what to do next... Talle Ho! (or however it's spelled... LOL )

Deb Leger
04-19-2005, 12:31 AM
Deb - Judi got it. "...Hoochie Mamma means you may walk on the wild side-LOL-not sure, I've heard it but have never been accused of it..."

My Mom used that for "women who you wouldn't bring home." :evil: You know like women who went in bars unescorted or smoked in public. :D

Actually my Mom used the term hoochie. Hoochie-mama is part of the current vernacular. I hear the kids in school use it and I 've heard it on a few TV shows. It is basically a women of shall we say questionable moral standards.

Joe

P.S. I meant it lovingly. Just wanted to tease you about the toe rings. So Hooch, if you are in any way offended, I will publicly apologize. :D

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, a public apology! Sounds verrrrrrrrrrrry tempting! :evil: Will you grovel and plead, too? :evil: :evil: (Has to be on bended knee though, because grovelling and pleading while standing up just doesn't cut the same picture.) Sounds better and better...... especially if you were to add a piece of cheesecake. Hmmmm, should I? Or shouldn't I?

<sigh> I'll let you off the hook! (Besides, I've always wanted to be one of those "women you wouldn't bring home to Mama" but on the few attempts I made at being baaaaaaad, I failed dismally. So, I s'pose, one could take this as a 'sort of' compliment. In a perverse and misguided kind of way. :D :D :D )

From about 3/4 of the way through March, right up until the first week in November, I wear sandals. (Bare feet = happy feet. :wink2: ) And you wouldn't believe the comments I get. :rolleyes: (Never a hoochie-mama one, though!)

I'd better sign off before I change my mind. :p

Hooch

PS - "hoochie-papa"? I like that! And no, of course you didn't offend me! :D I've just had a very busy weekend and haven't had time to get online much. Nor draw. :(

Deb Leger
04-19-2005, 12:59 AM
Jay, thanks for the site link. There's some awesome work in there! They're all very good, but I still think Armin is better. :D I'm going to try the Armin Eye later this week. I've had a busy weekend and wasn't home tonight, so I'll finish the pdf tomorrow night after work.

CJ. thanks for the info. It's a bit of a pain, saving them all like that, isn't it? But they're such cute little fellas!

Sults, I didn't know about the diagnosis at all! I'm so sorry to hear that and I wish you all the best. Think positive and keep drawing. The drawing will help the positivity. If you can't keep up with all the classes, don't worry - just do what you can - I mean, do what makes you feel good. We'll always be here.

Sults - really awesome job on your hand!

Ann, I should have known that was from a practice piece pic! Shame on me. I got a kick out of being called Hoochie Mama, too. Nice job on those two hands together! You really improved on the first one you did of the same thing.

Well, CJ must be on the beach right about now - sketching tushies. It's a rough job, but somebody's gotta do it.

Dave, hope you get time to get back to drawing soon.

Rose, don't feel frustrated! You did great on your hand. Sometimes, we're our own worst critics. Was that from the practice pic, or from your real life hand? I like them both but the first one is my favourite.

Jolanta, before I leave this earth, I plan on writing a novel. Thanks for the compliment!

Mary, I love the drawing you did of your grandson! Your hand and foot are good too. You're going great guns!

Jolanta, thanks for the info on using graphite powder. I tried shaving some one time, then mixed it with water to use. Didn't work and just ended up making an awful mess. So, now I know!

Judi, great foot drawing! (You need some rings on those toes, though.) All these pieces you're doing are really paying off.

Barbara, hi! That's so nice of you to say I'm not a hoochie-mama! Thanks. (Your cheque is in the mail. :wink2: ) I found out from experience that the worst thing you can do is stress out over the classes you can't do. so follow Ann's moto and just do what you can, when you can.

Joe, those are great drawings! My favourite is the one holding the paper to the knee! That's awesome! I was thinking of trying out that creativity project seeing as drawing counts.

Crystal, hi. You've done some fine work! I know what you're saying about just 'doing it'. I guess that's a good example of using the right side of the brain. If we switch to the left side and get all technical and precise, it's just not as spontaneous. I mean, we need to know the techie stuff, but I guess we need to let the right side reign too.

It's been a long day today and a late night tonight, so I'm off to bed and tomorrow, I'll draw!

Deb

bjcpaints
04-19-2005, 01:56 PM
Thanks All. :)
Hi Barb, Whatever the in-law situation is-I hope it clears up soon-we miss you! :

Oh gosh, I thought I included that in my list of excuses for not being able to keep up. Just before I went to Maine (about a month ago), my in-laws both took a bad fall downtown. Sorry to take up room here with this but it has SO affected our life and schedule. MIL is still in a nursing home (moved to from the hospital after a week) and has a fractured arm/shoulder and has not walked since the fall and since my DH is an only child he has been going there everyday and also checking on their house, etc. handling EVERYTHING for them. MIL can't even finish a sentence (Alzheimers)and FIL is right behind her.
I have had to take up the slack in every direction. This is not going to change so we have had to adjust. So, I am behind in everything. - Sorry, but I will post my hand that I drew last July when I was in the "Right Side of the Brain" book and try to do my hands & feet this weekend. Early mornings are the only "me" time I get anymore and the giant puppy thinks she should get extra attention then.
Barbara
Hey -Look at that - I forgot I had submitted this in an old WC hand project!
This was drawn last July. Hopefully I will do better now!

mothsailor
04-19-2005, 06:39 PM
I still haven't had much time for drawing, but here is a hand I did very quickly. The contour drawing is a "modified blind" drawing...you get to look whenever you get to the end of an edge. A small amout of rough shading added. Not good, but at least I've got something in!

cmwynn
04-19-2005, 07:30 PM
This seems to be a frantic week for everyone, and I'm no exception. Spent 10 hours today babysitting for a recuperating 8 month old, I aged at least that much just today. But I enjoy it, he won't be small long.
I sketched all the hands and feet Jay put up, then drew my left hand and my feet, one propped on a pillow in front of a mirror. The outer joints of my hand do turn in now, my feet have always been strange, hard to get shoes that fit.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Apr-2005/29839-Hands_and_feetxm.jpg
I used photos of my favorite model for his hands and feet. Putting the camera in front of the high chair was apparently a signal for him to wave and wiggle his feet. They are pudgy, but they should be at this point. The dimples on his hands didn't show.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Apr-2005/29839-T_hands_and_feetxm.jpg
I copied those first hands that Jolanta put up, and was so proud of getting the darks so dark, until I stipped away and saw that they were still at least two shades too light. But I learned a lot about how to shade the hands.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Apr-2005/29839-Jo_Hand_2xm.jpg
For the next one, I toned the paper first with a graphite stick, to about a 5 on the value scale. I mostly used an ebony pencil and a kneaded earser to "draw" these hands. Now I am having trouble getting the lights light enough. I guess I rubbed the paper too much.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Apr-2005/29839-Jo_Hand_1xm.jpg

Judi1957
04-19-2005, 07:57 PM
Hi Hoochie Deb! :D :wave: TY

Hi Barb! :wave:
I am so sorry you are all going thru such a hard time.
Alzheimers is a devastating disease, especially hard on the care givers. :( I'll be praying for you all!
Nice line drawing! Glad you could post. The drawing is pretty well proportioned! :clap:

Hi Dave :wave: , So good to see ya! Pretty good drawing there too. :clap: Hope you are back to a more regular schedule soon!
What paper did you use? It looks yellow on my monitor.
Edit: Now I know what a blind contour is, I understand the modified. Even better now! :D

Hey Connie :wave:
Hope the baby recovers soon! Glad you are enjoying your time with him.
You are still the Queen in production here! Nice work! Especially the last two -the adult hands! :clap:

mhimeswc
04-19-2005, 08:11 PM
I am SO far behind. :( But I wanted to post so you all didn't think I dropped out of the class, or off the face of the earth. I was away in DC for two weeks, and while I was there I caught a bad cold. I've been feeling crappy (and depressed) and haven't been able to make myself pick up a pencil. Hopefully I will do that soon, and I will start where I left off and try to catch up. Hands and feet are a subject I've done before and enjoyed, so I look forward to catching up to this lesson. If I could only stop sleeping and make my self DO something. Sigh! I will, I promise.

Michelle

Judi1957
04-19-2005, 08:21 PM
Hi Michelle! :wave: Glad you are back as well. I hope most of your trip was enjoyable. Look forward to seeing you pick up the pencil and not a tissue. I sure hope you feel better soon! Cheer-up-it's Spring!
I have missed you! :) Take care!

Jolanta
04-19-2005, 09:09 PM
Hi everybody,
Is good to know all of you are drawing so well! I have a NO MOOD time! At least I can come and look at your work and maybe I can find something wrong??? just kidding

Barbara - I don't know what my computer is doing to me but I can see only bottom of your drawing. It looks sketchy but it's nothing wrong with sketchy style since we are just practicing. Thanks for posting.

Dave - I really like your approach to do it in contour way. Of course it is very hard to get the proportions with contour drawing and it looks like the palm of your hand is bit too short but I like the look in general.

Connie - I admire your motivation. So busy and did sooo much work. The little onces are darling but when I found the copy of mine drawings I went WOW! Here comes the competition! You did very well on last two. I think it is a little easier to draw by copying somebodys elses work because we can see the strokes, values and all we need is in front of us. It doesn't matter how we do and what we use for ref. as long as we are doing!

I admire everybodys discipline (give me some!) and am happy to see all good work. You know me - when you have few minutes you don't know what to do with - keep drawing.

See you soon - need to go and find my moooood
Jolanta

Jolanta
04-19-2005, 09:14 PM
Barbara - my computer is behaving now and I like what I see in your drawing. I like the background done in diagonal strokes. You know diagonals always make a picture. If you have a weak composition just put some diagonals and it will work - I promise. I like the hand too. Very gentle but effective approach.
See you - JOlanta

Mary Woodul
04-19-2005, 10:52 PM
Hi everyone! I'm getting myself into too many projects and then get behind on the conversation.

Thank you Judi, Sults, Ann, Joe, Barbara and Deb for your comments.

Judi, I agree with Jolanta, with a foot like that I would show it off.

Barbara, I'm so sorry about your in laws. That is very hard situation. I wish you a speedy returno to your normal life. I love your hand drawing. That fine black line looks so good.

Joe I also like your hands, the one holding the paper , is really keen.

Crystal, nice drawing.
Connie, you have been busy. I like the two hands.
Dave, nice to see you around and I like the hand against the yellow background.

Michelle Hi, :wave: , nice to see you around.

JayD, can I get a little preview on next weeks class, were leaving on Sunday and will be back by the end of next week. :wink2: Maybe, just a little hint. :confused: :D :wave:

Judi1957
04-19-2005, 10:59 PM
Hi Mary, :wave:
TY
Mailing you a roll of quarters to play for me. :D If we win, we are having a 101 Class reunion at the Hacienda!

JayD
04-19-2005, 11:05 PM
Mary, let me think about it. :)

idcrisis55
04-20-2005, 09:11 AM
Good Morning Everyone :D

Barbara, now I expect to see a drawing of you chained to your desk. Isn't it funny how these little sayings paint such graphic pics in our minds lol. Your family is going through such a difficult time and I'm glad you are taking a few minutes in the morning to devote to yourself, whether to destress, draw or whatever. Hugs and prayers for all of you, hoping that your in-laws improve and heal, and that you and your husband get some much needed time to regroup. I like your hand drawing from July and look forward to seeing what you draw whenever you get a chance :)

Joe, you are working hard on drawing hands. I really like the 3rd one showing your hand and the sketch of your hand. Cool

Hi Crystal :wave: I like both your hand and foot. Will you be sharing more with us (I hope)?

Hi Deb, I was thinking you had probably been really busy as I hadn't seen you "around". Thanks for looking at my hands drawing :) Got some good critiques and hoping this next one shows more improvement lol.

Connie, I enjoyed all of your drawings. Way to go for steadily drawing. Love those baby feet :)

Hi Michelle, I'm glad you had a good visit in D.C. but regret hearing you've been sick. I hope you are well on your way to feeling much better.

Here is the line drawing of my hand which I did while at the doctor with my brother. You all must think that is the only place I draw lol. Anyway, this is the beginning of my next drawing. I did an "auto level" in Photoshop so you could see the lines. When I got home I tried to put my hand in the same position and take a photo. It is the close but not quite the same. I have attached it as well so you can see it :)

Wishing you all a fine day :D
Ann

Mary Woodul
04-20-2005, 11:06 AM
Thank You JayD, if it will be two weeks and you think I can make it, don't worry about it.

Judi, that would be fantastic, we've got to win.

I like your hand Ann, it is looking very nice. Talking about Drs. I had to have one of those apparatuses that monitors your blood pressure for 24 hrs., put on yesterday evening and the thing almost fell into my mop bucket this morning. I can just see myself taking the dripping apparatus to the Dr. this afternoon. :D :wave:

idcrisis55
04-20-2005, 12:17 PM
Ha, ha Mary, you could always tell the Dr. you mistook it for a scuba diving apparatus :evil: :D Doesn't mopping the floor raise one's blood pressure hee hee. Seriously though, hope they get a good read and that all is well with you. Thanks for the comments on the hand. Hope to start on it this evening if I'm not too worn out from cleaning out the well house lol.

Ann

Judi1957
04-20-2005, 06:44 PM
Hi Ann :wave: ,
Medical facilities do seem to be the places to draw these days. Nice start here, the proportions look good! It is hard to get back into the same position with your hand.

Hi Mary, :wave: I hope you have a wonderful time in Las Vegas. Enjoy the shows!

Hi Jolanta, :wave: Glad you are still with us all. :D

Jolanta
04-20-2005, 08:01 PM
Hi,
Ann - I see you are working really hard. Nice hand and nice photo. It reminds me of one Dr.visit. You know you have to sit in the waiting room forever. I never did it before but I always read "take your sketchbook everywhere and sketch anything you see". I did it. But I was drawing people sitting there and waiting. And I was going for likeness. I have to admit it was hard not to be obvious about what I was doing. One man figured it out as soon as I started his sketch and was very uncomfortable I didn't push it but he wanted to make sure I will not see him so he moved behind other people. I ended up with 4 nice sketches but to me it is too stressful. Never did it again.

Hi Judi - how is your day?
Jolanta

Judi1957
04-20-2005, 08:40 PM
Hi Jolanta, My day is always best when I am home, or should I say not at work :D . I do love my job, but it's a job.
I'm taking a short break from the hands and feet and working on a CP portrait. I'll post it later, Just on the second layer of his face, so there really is not much to show yet. Hope your day is good as well.
Do you teach art as a full time job?

Jolanta
04-20-2005, 09:48 PM
Hi Judi,
I remember when I was working full time job and a lot of OT the life was -waiting for Friday-lol! It will pass and you will have a problem maybe to figure out what to do with your time after retirement??? I started teaching after bunch of people asked me to do just that. I keep it easy because I have a lot other things to take care of and no help (no dear husband to order around). I try to keep my life just the way I like it and am happy with this. Lately I am a birdwatcher!!! I watch them raising babies, trying to keep straight cats away - life is simple and great. I don't watch news on TV- too much killings-makes me feel depressed. The older I get the simpler I get - It's all about carying for each other. I hope I didn't go nuts completely yet. I need to stop here before I will get too philosophical - I tend to do this.
Enjoy your time off from work
Jolanta

Deb Leger
04-21-2005, 12:35 AM
Hi, I'm going to try and catch up on the posts tomorrow but thought I'd post this tonight. I was drawing it while waiting for my turn on the computer. (Have to share with two boys who are saving the world in their online game.)

These are sketches. The #2 hand is dark. I need to learn to draw lighter! And I should have made the palm go farther down. It's kind of shortened. I drew them from real life, which is hard for me. I'm so used to drawing from photos, which I find so much easier.

Anyways, don't expect much - they're fast sketches. More will come. :D

Hope everyone is doing fine!

Deb

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Apr-2005/11775-DSCF0009.JPG

Judi1957
04-21-2005, 12:27 PM
Hi Deb! :wave:
You C & C'd most yourself. Nice fast sketches. :clap: Will you be taking them further? :evil:
Yes, drawing from a photo is easier in the fact they are stationary. No light changes or movement!

JayD
04-21-2005, 03:58 PM
Deb, just saw these--they are very slick!

Fireman's kid
04-21-2005, 04:13 PM
Deb - Nice hand sketches. I started my hand drawing and found the shadows to be the most difficult part, mainly because it was the middle of the day and I was inside so there were no good shadows to speak of. A few nights ago I took a picture of my hand under a single light source which created the type of shadows I wanted. I think it should help me. I still am not skilled enough to make up shadows. :rolleyes:

Anyway, just wanted to let you all know I am working...if slowly. Here is the start of my sketch. It is very light and basically a contour drawing since I haven't added the shadows yet. I hope to finish it this weekend with the help of my picture. I also took a picture of my foot which I hope to work on.

But I don't expect to have time to get on the computer until Sunday night, so I hope everyone has a nice weekend. Mary, have fun in Vegas! I am looking forward to the big party we have from your millions of dollars of winnings. :D

idcrisis55
04-22-2005, 09:31 AM
Good Morning All :D

Hi Judi :wave: :D I'm looking forward to seeing your CP portrait you are working on, plus the lesson drawings. How you have time to do all that you are doing is beyond me. Commenting/critiqing in all the threads, working, family, drawing. When do you sleep? All of you that do this have my deepest admiration and heartfelt thanks for your time.

Hi Jolanta :wave: :D Anytime one has to wait, it helps to pass the time doesn't it, to have a sketchbook and pencil handy. Some people would be thrilled someone is drawing them while others become uncomfortable, just like the man that moved. I bet your sketches were great and if he had seen them he would have been gratified. I think it didn't bother me, simply because I have never tried to actually sketch people in public, always inanimate objects or landscapes. My concentration becomes so intense that I actually forget sometimes where I am lol. I hope you dig the sketchbook out again and do more in public places. Did you find that after awhile everything around you simply faded away except what you are working on?

Hi Deb :D :wave: great fast sketches. You have a way with the shading that I know comes from lots of practice. Thanks for the .pdf too. I'll get it posted!

Hi Stacy :wave: :D, nice start on your hand. You have nice, long fingers with a great shape.

I've attached my update, roughed in the mid tones. Found a little time this morning to get this done. I am using the photo and my hand for shadows and shapes so it may look a little different than the photo.

Mary, hope you have a great visit with your family while in Vegas. I envy you visiting the art galleries lol. Did you take your sketchbook with you :D

Bye you all,
Ann

SILKNSATIN
04-22-2005, 11:48 AM
Sorry i'm sooooo late everyone.You all done a fantastic job. :clap:
Well here's my realistic hands and then I did this other cartoonish one when I was in a very bad mood. :evil: .I have no idea why he came to life but he did.LOL.Both done in dark blue colored pencil.Sorry wasn't in a graphite mood. :(
Don't think I have time for feet but here's a foot I did in stoys weekly drawing thread back in august.Some of you did this one. :D

Judi1957
04-22-2005, 12:51 PM
Hi Stacy, That is a really nice start in your hand! :D

Hi Ann, Your hand looks wonderful! It does look like the underlying wrist may be too wide and the pads too short if I am even saying that right :rolleyes: . (But you can ignore me, that's just my opinion - but your hand)
No admiration is due here, I burn the midnight oil way too much, but thank you my friend :)

Hi Bon, Nice to see ya! Love the drawings-especially the blue hands!

Mary Woodul
04-22-2005, 01:56 PM
Hi everyone!. Just wanted to say what lovely hands, Deb, Ann and Stacey.
Bon I just love your creature, you might have been mad but there is something very cute and loving about your creature. :D I'll be quite busy today and looking forward to the trip and thank you all for the well wishes. I would love to come back with a jackpot but I know that once I loose a couple of dollars I'll start thinking what I could have bought with it, so I'll just go shopping. :D See you all next week. :wave:

idcrisis55
04-22-2005, 02:00 PM
Bon, great drawings! Like that blue. The ogre looks as though he is trying to get something precious that he shouldn't. Cool foot too.

Thanks Judi, I'll check out the pad area and look at it in relation to my hand in real life. I may have it too short. That is a jacket I had on that came right up to my hand and was loose on my wrist. I'm hoping to convey that a bit more as the drawing progresses.

You must burn the midnight oil. Just don't frazzle yourself out please! I go to bed early, early and get up early and sometimes I take naps too lol. I can work really hard one day and the next day or so I have to recouperate. Oh well, at least I can have the time to do that when needed.

Cheers,
Ann

Judi1957
04-23-2005, 04:54 PM
Hi All :wave:

Come on guys-More hands and feet! :D

JayD
04-23-2005, 06:39 PM
Hi, Judi--enjoy the feet and hands while you can!!!!! :evil: You are going to love the next assigment!!! :evil: :evil:

Still furiously writing and drawing. Later!

Bon--at this point everyone should start incorporating their medium of choice. Even though we are a bunch of graphite heads over here in D&S, the real point of 101 is to help you improve in your chosen medium so have at it!!! :wave: :wave: :wave:

Deb Leger
04-23-2005, 07:45 PM
Hi, Judi--enjoy the feet and hands while you can!!!!! :evil: You are going to love the next assigment!!! :evil: :evil:

Still furiously writing and drawing. Later!

Bon--at this point everyone should start incorporating their medium of choice. Even though we are a bunch of graphite heads over here in D&S, the real point of 101 is to help you improve in your chosen medium so have at it!!! :wave: :wave: :wave:

Uh oh! the devil faces are scaring me!

Deb Leger
04-23-2005, 07:54 PM
Hi All :wave:

Come on guys-More hands and feet! :D

Hi Judi, I wasn't going to post this because of the toe! :D But I will. Just for you! :evil:

My husband was sitting with his legs crossed at the ankles so that's where this angle of the foot comes from. I didn't get the other foot in there because he started complaining that his feet were falling asleep. I told him that such is the life of a model but he didn't buy it.

Anyways, I did the toe way too small so I was going to enlarge it. The foot looks kind of ... pudgey but that's the way his feet are. :evil: Kind of like he jumped off a ten foot high fence and landed on his feet, smushing them out a bit. (If he knew I was writing this, I'd be dead. :angel: ) The ankle is a bit small too. I'll try again later.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Apr-2005/11775-DSCF0011.JPG

Deb Leger
04-23-2005, 08:19 PM
Some catch-up:

Hi Barbara, :wave: good hand. I hope eveything is settling down for you.

Dave, great contour drawing!!! I love the way you shaded it. I have a very hard time doing blind or modified blind contour drawings so I really appreciate this one.

Connie, you did an awesome job! The child's feet and hands are great - I just love the pudginess! And you're so right - they grow so fast. And what a job on Jolanta's!!! :clap: How do you like the ebony pencils? I bought 36 off ebay and love them. It's like I don't have to bother with the numbers on the other pencils I have, these seem to go anywhere from light to dark so easily.

Michelle, hi! :wave: Hope you're feeling better!

Ann, your line drawing of your hand is good! I really like the update on it - you did a fine job. (And thanks for the compliment! Your shading is beautiful!) Hope your kitties are all doing fine.

Jolanta, I just love your drawings of hands! And I admire your's and Ann's (and Sults') courage at taking the sketchbook to the doctor's. I'm still very hesitant about sketching or drawing in front of people. I'm a really slow draw-er and it seems to take forever to start to look half decent and in the meantime, I sit there feeling very uncomfortable when anyone looks at it. Gotta work past that, eh? I guess the best way would be to just do it.

Judi, thanks for the compliments. Nope, I won't be taking these any further. I'll just move on to more exercises. :D

Jay, thanks. One of them looks like a Frankenstein job - like the hand was stitched to the arm. :D :D :D But, I learn from my mistakes. :D

Stacy, nice hand. Once you add shadows, it's going to really pop. (Making up shadows is really tough to do.)

Bon, your hands are beautiful! I love them in blue like that. My 12-year old loves your bad mood drawing. :D The baby's foot is gorgeous! I don't know how you do such awesome work with coloured pencils.

Mary, have a great time. I know just what you mean about losing money gambling! My sister-in-law is always asking me to go to the Hull casino with her and I think of how I could go there with $100 and leave it all at the casino, or cross the river into Ottawa, go to the art store and come back with $100 worth of paint and paper. Doesn't take me long to decide! :evil:

Okay, I think I'm caught up and now have to once again, surrender the computer to my kids. I'll go draw or paint instead. :D

Hopefully, I'll have another to post later.

Deb

idcrisis55
04-24-2005, 10:08 AM
Deb, tell your model, "nice feet" :D Good job on what you have done so far. Ha, ha, keep your camera handy so that when your model gets tired you still have the photo handy. Thanks for the comments on the hand. Haven't had time to work on it more :( as we (my family) are in the midst of painting, pulling carpet, etc.

Speaking of Jay and Subbies, I'm not sure how much I will get done in the next couple of weeks because of the work going on here. But I will stay in touch when I take a break so I can see what everyone is doing and what I'm missing.

Ann

Judi1957
04-24-2005, 10:44 AM
Hi Ann,

Sounds like you all are real busy making the house anew. That is fun but can be backbreaking-hope you are just supervising the heavy stuff.

You just get done with what you can. :)
JayD has given the evil sign for the next class - :eek: -maybe a good time for a break :D

Hey Deb, Nice job on the feet-I don't think I would want to look at Pat's feet that long-ha-ha.

JayD
04-24-2005, 12:24 PM
I dont think this next class wll be hard for any of you to be honest--and I think you will enjoy it. It has taken me two and a half days to research, write, draw and assemble so it will probably be more thorough than I have ever attempted.

I hope someone will be around to take this thing! :(

I am scanning in images right now--writing is done.

Deb Leger
04-24-2005, 02:58 PM
I dont think this next class wll be hard for any of you to be honest--and I think you will enjoy it. It has taken me two and a half days to research, write, draw and assemble so it will probably be more thorough than I have ever attempted.

I hope someone will be around to take this thing! :(

I am scanning in images right now--writing is done.

I'll be here! :D

Jolanta
04-24-2005, 03:40 PM
Hi my friends,
Sorry, got lost for a while. I am trying to monopolize Classical Art forum. I read all behind posts and I have to tell you all. I AM VERY PROUD OF YOU!!!!
I love the work, I love your dedication, I love chatting and looking for some more good time here.
Have no idea what's coming next but if I can help in any way I be here.
Jay is right. How about working with something else? Colored pencils or pastel pencils are similar in handling but they give you this beautiful colors as a special bonus. If you don't have any of above maybe just one color other than black??? To keep the cost down get one pencil in color and try it. You be suprised and I know you will love it.
See you next week. Thank you for all your hard work.
Jolanta

Cathie Jones
04-24-2005, 07:00 PM
Hey you guys!! Didja miss me?

Here's a little sketch to show that I didn't forget you all while we were gone. You'll see why it didn't turn into a completed drawing when you see the accompanying photo - which was taken afterward, the sketch was done 'live.' Conditions were AWFUL for drawing!!! :eek:

Judi, there were no native tushies - no fire dancers. Only one Tahitian dance show, on the cruise ship, complete with a Phillipino band, electric guitars and keyboards. Ugh! The islands we went to were fairly primitive and cater more to water sports than to shows.

Anyway, so I don't fall too far behind, here's the rest of my Class 17 homework!

Judi1957
04-24-2005, 07:03 PM
Hi Jolanta :wave:
We do have a good time here, everyone is fun to be around. And if you enjoy the class and keep it light, all just goes so much better. We have all made a great circle of friends here, and I am glad you have joined in the fun! :D I value your C&C. Thanks for sticking with us. :clap: :clap:

Hi CJ, If you see this-We all miss you. Hope you are having a glorious vacation!!Edit: Cross post-Welcome back! That is funny timing!

Dave, how was your watercolor class?

Hey everyone else! :wave:

Judi1957
04-24-2005, 07:14 PM
Hi CJ! :wave:
Nice foot :D
No native tushies???? I was gonna do a study on them. :(

Did you do any water sports?....Come on..... share :D
Well, not everything. :evil:

The water and sky look so lovely! Will you do a watercolor of anything you saw?

Really glad you are back :clap: :clap: ...was it wonderful and what you expected?

JayD
04-24-2005, 08:35 PM
Jolanta, at this point I want to the class to try to start working in their favorite medium. The idea is to gradually integrate what they have learned here into their chose medium. I think this will eliminate any enui that may develop from working in any ONE medium. Of course it can be paints like watercolor--but for the purposes of learning--make sure to post BOTH working drawing and the finished piece so that the entire process for each medium can be universally shared.

sultry
04-24-2005, 09:42 PM
Hi everyone,
Sorry I have to go back and read the thread but I am turning in my foot assignment. (Had a start of a root canal #30 tooth, that is what the dentist named it).
Its called foot massage & yup DBF has size 17 feet. lol, Judi got a kick out of that when I told her. So that is why my hand looks so small.
Hi CJ glad your back. :wave: like the foot too.

Judi1957
04-24-2005, 10:11 PM
Hey Sults, Your drawing really kicks! :D
:clap: :clap: :clap:

JayD
04-24-2005, 11:57 PM
Good Lord--that's not a foot--that's the state of Idaho!

Sults, I thought the abreviation DBF stood for Dearest Boy Friend--I see you were now actually saying "Dear Big Foot"! :D Wow! Regardless, it is a nice rendering--I really love the hand--I can tell that you put a great deal of work in this. I think I would have like to have seen the leg that swings that foot around--maybe another time. Nice work!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

SILKNSATIN
04-25-2005, 10:58 AM
Deb,cathie,very good. :clap:
Sultry fantastic and bold. :clap:
Umm big foot is your boyfriend? :DYou know what they say about big feet. :p :D

idcrisis55
04-25-2005, 12:26 PM
Welcome Back Cathie! Nice foot work :D

Sults, your hand and foot looks swell, like the shading :D

Just stopped in to wave hi to everyone and check out the next lesson :wave:

ann

jmfletch
04-27-2005, 07:06 PM
Well. I'm about a week behind in reading posts. I know I owe a lot of folks thanks for their comments and lots of comments on some really great hands and feet!

My defense is I have been painting the house (covering up the scars of Charlie)and working down the "honey do" list. Stripped and refinished 2 occasional tables and 1 boudoir chair. :angel: Planted 6 trees. :angel:

Was encouraged to try to do a set of hands from a photo I took last summer at a pottery demo. Attached is a WIP, probbaly won't get it finished for a while but wanted to give you all credit for the encouragement to try it!!

THANKS!!! :wave:
Joe

Jolanta
04-27-2005, 07:41 PM
Hi Joe,
I am lost here is it folds or hands class? Looks like hands. I love what you did so far I hope you will continue. This is going to be a great drawing. I see it already. Keep going....
Jolanta

Judi1957
04-27-2005, 08:19 PM
Hey Joe :music: -Way to go! :clap: :clap:

sultry
04-27-2005, 09:10 PM
OMG I love this Joe such a dramatic piece and with a meaning I love it.

hmmmm Ann all I have to say is ....
Sults, your hand and foot looks swell, like the shading
How did you know? lol, or is my DBF right I am a witch & twinkled my nose and now it is swollen.

Everyone has done such a great job on the hands & feet here btw I did go back and look. Bravo to you All :clap:

sultry
04-27-2005, 11:11 PM
OK I showed this to Judi in a pm & she dared me to show it in class. So Judi ha ha I did :evil:
Carmelo needed ice on it & we did not have a ice pack small enough to tuck into the crevices of the splint and lay on his poor broken toes so he thought of using our many soy sauce packets. I knew saving these condiments would come in handy some day (Well they came in footy instead). lol
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Apr-2005/29757-condementfoot.jpg

Judi1957
04-27-2005, 11:18 PM
handy-footy ha-ha
Notice the foreshortening of the foot! (Class related)

JayD
04-28-2005, 08:04 AM
Joe, I love your potter's hands. Brilliant! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Well, Sults--tell DBF that he has permanently cured me of chinese food! :D

jmfletch
04-28-2005, 07:06 PM
Jolanta, Judi, Sults, JayD - Thanks for the kind words. I'll post it again when I think its finished then you can all help "git er done". :)

Judi - "Notice the foreshortening of the foot! (Class related)" You really are getting into the subby thing!! :evil: It was suppose to be a little levity, not another lesson!!! :p

Joe

Judi1957
04-28-2005, 07:40 PM
Hey Joe :music: Sor-r-r-r-y, couldn't help it. :D

How are the potter's hands coming? I can't wait to see them finished!
That honey do list has got to be getting smaller! :evil:

idcrisis55
04-29-2005, 01:07 PM
Joe, like that photo and you are well on your way to doing this drawing justice. I like what you have so far and look forward to seeing the finished piece. I hope you are farther ahead with you "honey do's" than I am. Slow going here with the painting, etc.

Ah Sults, you know I mean swell as in great, good, beautiful, not, Swollen, :D But what a pic of your boyfriend's foot. Love the soy sauce packets lol. Looks like the perfect photo for painting a monster's foot.

Hiya Judi :wave:

Ann

Fireman's kid
05-02-2005, 08:25 AM
Hi fellow classmates! I'm am trying to get caught up on this lesson since I haven't had time to start lesson 18 yet. :rolleyes:

Deb - you did a nice job on your "pudgy" hubby foot! :) I don't think the toe looks too small, but since I've never seen the real foot, you are probably right.

CJ - nice foot you have there, but the view in the reference photo is even nicer!!

Sults - I think you earn extra points for doing a hand and a foot together in one drawing. A creative solution to your homework! And you did a great job too, especially with the shading. I was sorry to hear about the BFs broken foot, but had to chuckle over the good use of the soy packets. :D

Joe - those potter's hands are amazing already! I can't wait to see them finished!

Ann - I hope your house projects and honey do list are moving along smoothly. :)

Well, I had my art show this weekend and unfortunately there was not a very good customer turnout. So I put my time to good use and finished up my hand drawing which I will post here. I also started my foot drawing, but will wait until it is finished to post.

It was a little daunting drawing with all of those other artists around. Everyone kept looking at what I was doing. But I stayed brave and stuck to it. :p

Here is the result...I kept remembering Mary's "Dirty" hand so I intentionally kept the shading light. I'm not sure if that was the right decision since there are some very dark shadows in the reference. I guess I should also mention that I drew the hand from my real hand then tried to replicate the pose for the reference picture. I didn't get it exact so you might see some slight differences between the reference and the drawing.

Please let me know what you think about the shading and if you see any other improvements that could be made. Thanks!

Judi1957
05-02-2005, 12:54 PM
Hi Stacy,

Lovely young hand you have! I think you have done a great job :clap: , but I think some of the shading can be intensified a bit, but that's just my opinon.

Fireman's kid
05-02-2005, 10:38 PM
Hi Judi! :wave:

Thanks for looking! I was afraid to go dark with the shading because I didn't want the hand to look dirty. But, on the other hand :D , I really like the dark shadows in the reference. I'll see if anyone else has an opinion, but I probably will go back and darken it. I know some of my other drawings have had much darker darks in them.

By the way, thanks for the young hand comment. My hands are always dry and I think it makes the front of my hands look older and more wrinkled than they should. That's probably why I drew the palm side. :D

Worked on my foot drawing tonight at art class and am almost done. Hope to join the fun in Class 18 soon!

Judi1957
05-02-2005, 11:05 PM
Yes, I would wait for others opinions too, it is a lovely drawing that you don't want to dirty :D

Jolanta
05-03-2005, 12:32 AM
Hi Stacy,
Go ahead and put some darks in. I don't think it will look dirty :D You have nice long fingers - do you play piano??? If dark shading will start looking rough blend some gently - usually rough textural darks make it look dirty.
I like to see "after" - have fun
Jolanta

jmfletch
05-03-2005, 07:17 PM
Stacey - Go for it!! Make the darks darker!!

Here are my potter hands. I am just about ready to call them done. Looking for some C&C here and I am also taking it to my art class tomorrow for C&C.

It is Tuscan Red Prismacolor pencil on Stonehenge (Cream). Image size is roughly 11"x15".

Joe

sultry
05-03-2005, 07:21 PM
Stacy great hand & sorry I agree with the majority more contrast on that hand please. :) You can do it.
Joe wow I like the warm color your giving this piece. Gives the old indian pottery feel to it or even the Mexican pottery. Cannot wait to see an update.

Judi1957
05-03-2005, 07:29 PM
Hey Joe :music:
This is beautiful. I agree w/ Sults here-great choice of color! I love tuscan red. I love how you are showing this Joe, with the movement of the wheel being apparent. Always wanted to do pottery but Mom & Dad wouldn't get me a wheel :( Guess there were 5 kids flying around-why add clay! :D )
Seriously -- this is amazing. I will be interested in any C & C you get here because nothing is jumping out at me-it looks perfect and very realistic-like a sepia photo! Your textures are wonderful!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

jmfletch
05-03-2005, 07:36 PM
Thanks guys!!

The actual picture is not quite so yellow and does have more of a sepia look. If you are familar with Stonehenge "cream" that is what the uncolored surfaces are suppose to look like. :D

If I post any changes I will try to edit it in a photo program and try to match the color better.

Joe

Judi1957
05-03-2005, 07:40 PM
I think it would be marvelous in any color Joe! :clap:

Jolanta
05-04-2005, 12:41 AM
Joe - this is beautiful, full of movement and expression drawing. I can actually see the hands pushing the clay. Show it everywhere and enter in good competitions - this is perfect piece for that. Congratulations :clap:
Jolanta

Fireman's kid
05-04-2005, 09:40 AM
Joe, I knew your hand drawing was going to turn out beautiful and you didn't disappoint!! :clap: I agree the color choice is perfect.

Thank you all for your votes on my hand values. I will happily go darker. Jolanta, I used to blend everything I did in the beginning of this class. Somehow I forgot that was an option for graphite :o but if it looks rough I will give it a try. :)

jmfletch
05-05-2005, 07:46 PM
Well I got a few constructive criticisms from my art group, made a few adjustments and have declared this done.

Thanks for the support & encouragement!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Joe

P.S. The colors in this are much closer to RL!

sultry
05-05-2005, 08:26 PM
Joe This is OUTSTANDING sorry I have nothing more to say

Judi1957
05-05-2005, 08:48 PM
Hey Joe :music:
Now I am seeing the tuscan red :D

I am interested in what C & C your group gave you-it looks just as fabulous now as it did before. :confused: just a different color than your last post.

Declared WELL DONE!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

jmfletch
05-06-2005, 04:29 PM
Hey Joe :music:
Now I am seeing the tuscan red :D

I am interested in what C & C your group gave you-it looks just as fabulous now as it did before. :confused: just a different color than your last post.

Declared WELL DONE!

:clap: :clap: :clap:


C&C was mainly in two areas. First the light areas on the wheel were competing with the highlights on the hands, so I added some color to the wheel so that the hand highlights are the lightest area in the picture. Basically this is the "mostly, some and a bit" rule, what I had was mostly, some and some. :D

The other was the hard edge on the veins in his left hand by the highlight. They needed to be softer so that they looked round. (We learned that in the last folds lesson. Well some did, others take a little longer. :evil: )

Thanks Judy & Judi for your knd words and encouragement!! :clap:

Joe

P.S. :cool: :cool: Feeling pretty special that it made Sgt Sults run out of words!! :cool: :cool:

sultry
05-06-2005, 04:38 PM
lol Joe this is something I would hang in the library (My dream house would have a library just for all the art books I want). lol I just want you to know that this is not the only piece that leaves me speechless, I like alot of your work. :cat: You have a great style, you should enter the next whodunnit thread and try to hide it from me. lol I am bad at guessing anyways. Hey Judi, you promised to enter the next one girl (inserts smiley with hands on hips here). :evil:

Fireman's kid
05-09-2005, 11:50 PM
Well, I finally got around to finishing the foot to a point where I am ready for C&C. :) I should probably explain the picture before I post...after doing a plain, old hand I wanted to try something a bit more interesting for the foot. So I decided to try a pic that would reveal a little something about myself. Intrigued aren't you?!? :evil: So in the spirit of sharing I decided to let you in on my not so special talent...

I can pick up things with my toes! :D Can anyone else? I bet yes! My girls have this talent too, but my hubby is hopeless.

So here is a drawing (and ref pic) of me holding a pencil with my toes. C&C welcome of course, and I won't even mind if you tell me how strange I am. I already know. :D :p

opps! Forgot to say did this with charcoal pencils and various blending tools. Is roughly 5" x 9". Enjoy!

bjcpaints
05-15-2005, 08:16 AM
Did some drawing yesterday - catching up!

Aprilwine
05-15-2005, 09:55 AM
I think this will really help me more. I am running out of ways to hide hands in my drawings. So I guess I should learn how to make hands. So I suppose my next drawing I will put visable hands in. Will work on the feet when I get some bigger paper,lol. I seem to make things to big to get the feet in the drawing.
Good lesson here. Thanks

Judi1957
05-15-2005, 10:18 AM
Hi April! :wave: Nice to meet you. Feel free to post your work here-this is an open class.

Barb :wave: -I cropped your hand a bit for better viewing. (and it blurred a bit :rolleyes: )
Nice hand. :) Glad you are catching up-missed you! Are things going better for you and your family?
I think you need to refine this a bit and check your distances/measurements.
Your pinky is in need of thickening up where it joins the hand and I think your knuckles are not in alignment where they need to be. Your pinky and middle finger need a little bit of reshaping.

dragonfruit
08-08-2005, 03:49 PM
Hi there :wave:
Went on holiday knowing I had to do some hands and feet, so I did these.

:)
Ren

dragonfruit
08-08-2005, 05:16 PM
Sorry - the hand didn't download
Ren

Judi1957
08-08-2005, 07:30 PM
Hi Ren, :wave:

It's been a long time since anyone posted here!

Glad you are doing this Class-I think it is so important to learn the correct proportions of the hands and feet.

One general comment on all would be to eliminate the outlines and show everything with shading. But I do like the sketch look you have shown.

On the foot-did you look at someones foot to do this? Really good shading btw. I do think the darkest shading you show there on the bottom of the foot needs to be lower (towards the heel) a bit. The heel seems a bit small in proportion to the rest of the foot-but feet being different for each person-well-you are the best judge here I think.

The feet look great. :clap: My only comment would be the heel looks a bit too rounded where it 'meets' the ankle area.

Your hand looks really nice too! Is this your hand? Lean long nice fingers. I wonder if the middle index finger should extend down a bit further towards the palm.

Really Nice work Ren!!!! :clap: :clap:

dragonfruit
08-09-2005, 02:50 AM
Hi Judi
Thanks for your comments :)
I'll try to do more with backgrounds and shading around my images.
The single foot was from a photo, and it was quite foreshortened so the toes look huge compared to the heel. The two funny feet are mine. I looked again, and yes, the heel is a little too rounded.
Thanks
:wave:
Ren

Fireman's kid
08-09-2005, 01:34 PM
Ren, great hands and feet! I see Judi gave you some good advice. I find it is tough to draw without the outlines, but for the more realistic result I want, shading is what is needed. That being said, I really like the style of the three of these.

Looking back, I think this is the last lesson I "finished". :o And I never did finish smoothing the shading on my hand. No wonder I feel so far behind! It was right after this that I somehow forgot how to draw. How does that happen?? :confused:

Africanart
01-17-2006, 09:36 PM
Hiya's

Here is my hand:D

I feel like I am the lonesome dove here, I am way behind.

Maryhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2006/69011-lesson17.jpg

Judi1957
01-17-2006, 10:27 PM
Hi Mary!
Awwe-you're not alone.:)
Nice work on your hand. Broken off center nail? Don't ya hate that!
Was your palm pushed flat? I am looking at the slight bulge of the hand on our left.
I think it would be good to keep at this one-add more layers to get rid of the lines.
Nice work!!!!

Africanart
01-18-2006, 10:03 AM
Hi Judi:wave:

It feels like I am...since I am the only post in a while:rolleyes:

Anyway my hands looks terrible they are very wrinkly:eek: but will add the layers, however I am going to move on to the next lesson as well and work on both.

thanks

Mary

Africanart
01-18-2006, 10:19 AM
Oh...I forgot, my hand was not completely flat it was a bit cupped.

Africanart
01-18-2006, 11:21 AM
Hi

With added layers...fooled myself in believing I got rid of the wrinkles:D

thanks

Maryhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jan-2006/69011-lesson17a.jpg

jmfletch
01-18-2006, 07:16 PM
Hi Mary - You definitely got rid of the lines and added some nice tones. :clap:
As Judi mentioned there seems to be a bulge on the left side looking at it. You said the hand was cupped but that is not obvious from the drawing as the fingers and thumb all appear to be full sized with no foreshortening. I like the broken nail on one finger with the look of manicure on the others.

Joe

Africanart
01-18-2006, 10:16 PM
Hi Joe

I am not sure if you could call it cupped completely, but I know my palm was very slightly of the counter...however, I do see what you mean with the foreshortening of the fingers (when I do cup my hand).

:mad: I just can't win with these nails anymore they are so hard they constantly break:(

Thanks

Mary

Judi1957
01-19-2006, 08:26 PM
Hi Mary:wave:
Looks good as it definatley has more shape!
I do see what Joe is saying.
It looks a lil un-natural that way.
Do you want to work on another hand before you move down to your piggies?:D

bjcpaints
04-01-2006, 03:58 PM
Here is a hand I did today - a year later! Not sure which one is worse!?!
And here is 1 of 2 feet I did today as well. Trying to get back into the lessons here.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2006/49636-hand.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2006/49636-foot.jpg

Sorry about the poor scans - I really need a lesson on scanning a drawing!

Fozbot
04-01-2006, 04:21 PM
hand and foot look good from what i can see, Barbara.:) do you have a photo editing program? scans can be nightmares!:evil: if you need to darken your image or change contrast you can use your program...it's legal.;)

Willemien
02-19-2008, 05:13 PM
Hi, Hi,

Last couple of weeks I tried some hands.
Here they are.
(the last one is an exercise from the book: "drawing with the right side of your brain)

Best regards, Willy

Willemien
02-20-2008, 01:31 PM
anybody out here????

Gordon's art
02-20-2008, 02:11 PM
Willy Hi sorry for the delay in answering you. now then the first one seems a bit confusing, the second one is better, but the third one is a great drawing of a hand, but I must say that the drawing you did on the weekly drawing thread is very good and I dont think you have too many problems with hands.

Willemien
02-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Hi Gordon,

The reason that I put the 'the anybody out there' message is because I did not see my message, so no offend and thank you so much for your comment,
up to the feet then......

Best regards, Willy

Willemien
02-25-2008, 12:58 PM
So here they are:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Feb-2008/113981-feet.jpg

Willemien
02-25-2008, 05:19 PM
Lets try again. i had some problems uploading the drawing, and used 'insert picture' I understand that this did not work either.
See if I can upload now.... Oke here it is.

Gordon's art
02-25-2008, 05:35 PM
Willy this is a good picture of feet, the first foot on our left seems a little long, but overall they are good feet.
try this site for some free instruction books on drawing, you will find it HERE (http://www.placidchaos.com/AM/index.php?title=andrew_loomis&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1)

Willemien
02-25-2008, 05:42 PM
Hi Gordon,

thanks for you reaction. I had the same idea (first foot on the left - too long)
I shall see what I can do about it. I also want to try to soften the whole thing up. I am not so happy with this kind of shading.
First I will be off to the woods for a few days (will take some other hands and feet with me as well as the tree for the weekly drawing thread) when I am back I will give these feet some extra attention.

I will notifiy you.

Best regards, Willy