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A Few Pigments
03-16-2005, 01:32 AM
I need an opinion on the background in this painting. Do you think the painting looks better with the lighter background or do you think it looks better with the almost black background?

Thankx for your opinion.

Oil on canvas panel, 8 x 10 inches. Light Background.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2005/42249-The_Very_Deuce_of_a_Pose_Ver2LB500001.jpg
Dark Background
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2005/42249-The_Very_Deuce_of_a_Pose_Ver2BB500001.jpg

laketrees
03-16-2005, 03:57 AM
Hi Bruce...I like both but I think I prefer the light....the black makes the bottles look a little cut out....where the light gives more depth and keeps the overall style of the painting .......the reflections are great and the light background allows for the shadows to be seen
Cheers kim

Mikey
03-16-2005, 04:06 AM
Hi Bruce, out of the two I prefer the first. I think a graduated background with a slight touch more colour variation, slightly darker at the top would be best. Is the nearer bottle too near to cast a shadow,, whilst the farthest one does?

Anita Murphy
03-16-2005, 08:17 AM
I like the darker version too. It emphasises the colour in the table.
Lets us see what you finish up with.
KA

Spyderbabe
03-16-2005, 03:34 PM
I like the dark - I'm a real drama queen when it comes to high contrast - love it.
Which one are you leaning towards?

A Few Pigments
03-16-2005, 09:42 PM
Hi Spyderbabe, Iím not really leaning toward either one really. I do like the black backgrounds the old masters used, but they never seem to work in my paintings for some reason. May be Iím not old enough yet.


Hi present, the darker background would emphasize the colour in the table, but the table is painted without hardly any white paint and so looks much better because itís glazed layers of paint. Iím rethinking my attitude about glazing.


Hi Mikey, the near bottle does cast a shadow just next to the far bottle, but most of the shadow is behind the far bottle.


Hi Kim, yes the light background seems to add a bit of aerial perspective to the work.

Bevahlee
03-17-2005, 09:34 AM
[QUOTE=laketrees]Hi Bruce...I like both but I think I prefer the light....the black makes the bottles look a little cut out....where the light gives more depth and keeps the overall style of the painting .......the reflections are great and the light background allows for the shadows to be seen
Cheers kim[/QUOTE


I'm with Laketrees and Mikey on this, however the color and value of the wall next to the light bottle might be changed for visual interest. I"m talking about gradation of light to dark on the wall and a warmer grey. Beautiful jars and bottles, btw.]

A Few Pigments
03-20-2005, 02:51 AM
Hi Bevahlee, in a way I like the lighter background best too, but I feel the painting has no snap to it without a dark background. I think with the light background itís just a nice painting, but with the dark background it really seems to come to life.


This is where I am now on The Very Deuce of a Pose Version 2. Iím continuing with the light background.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2005/42249-The_Very_Deuce_of_a_Pose_Ver2LB500002.jpg

This is a new one I started called Glass Owl, 8 x 10 inches. Iím using the same pigments for all of these paintings. I decided to do Glass Owl with an almost black background just to see what transparent glass on black would look like comparied to transparent glass on a light background.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2005/42249-Glass_Owl_500_001.jpg

This is a composite of The Very Deuce of a Pose, 16 x 20 inches (on the left). http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243667
The Very Deuce of a Pose Version 2, 8 x 10 inches.
In the bottom row, The Very Deuce of a Pose Version 2, 8 x 10 inches, with a dark background I put in with my paint program.
And Glass Owl, 8 x 10 inches, with a painted dark background.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-Mar-2005/42249-The_Very_Deuce_of_a_Pose_Com_001.jpg
When I see these cheek by jowl I personally like the dark background better. I guess itís all down to a matter of personal likes and dislikes

Thank you everyone again for your thoughts. I find this discussion very interesting and I hope everyone else does too.

A Few Pigments
03-22-2005, 07:43 PM
This is my progress on The Very Deuce of a Pose Version 2. I added more detail to the bottles and made the tabletop look more like it does in real life. The red candle is bursting off the canvas so Iíll have to tone it down before it runs away and goes shopping at Wal Mart..lol Do the bottles look any better? Does the tabletop look any better? Does anything look like it needs improving? Thank you for your help. This painting is best viewed from a distance for the full effect.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2005/42249-The_Very_Deuce_of_a_Pose_Ver2LB500003.jpg

If youíre curious about the Glass Owl painting it is at this address http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3339839#post3339839

Mikey
03-22-2005, 08:04 PM
Bruce, this is working for me as it is, except maybe for that bright highlight on the right hand bottle, which seems very dominant to me in that position. Then again I don't know that much about art either.

Mikey.

A Few Pigments
03-22-2005, 09:06 PM
Hi Mikey,
I see what you mean about the highlight on the bottle on the right. And also the bright bit on the right side of the bottle on the left. Iíll have to tone both of them down. itís all about arieal perspective even in a little 8 x 10 inch still life.

I reckon if I can make these bottles look like a photograph I can then say I made the bottles look like a photograph. That and $5.00 will get me a coffee at StarbucksÖgolly. Sometimes I wonder why Iím bothering when I have two perfectly good cameras. But it seems to be popular with the masses.