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Rosic
02-27-2005, 07:11 PM
This month (March 2005) marks assignment #15 in our Master on the Month series. We will be studying the great Dutch painter, Johannes Vermeer. A complete biography and useful links have been included within this thread. Your choices for this month's study are Girl with the Red Hat and The Milkmaid. These two masterpieces should prove challenging and rewarding no matter what experience level. Please join us as you will find the camaraderie and learning experience worth every hour and brush stroke.:wink2:

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VERMEER VAN DELFT, Jan
(b. 1632, Delft, d. 1675, Delft)
Chronology of Vermeer's Life. (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/chronology.htm)

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Dutch painter. Among the great Dutch artists of the 17th century, he is now second in renown only to Rembrandt, but he made little mark during his lifetime and then long languished in obscurity. Almost all of the contemporary references to him are in colourless official documents and his career is in many ways enigmatic. Apart from a visit to The Hague in 1672 (to act as an expert witness concerning a group of Italian paintings of disputed authenticity), he is never known to have left his native Delft. He entered the painters' guild there in 1653 and was twice elected 'hooftman' (headman), but his teacher is not known. His name is often linked with that of Carel Fabritius, but it is doubtful if he can have formally taught Vermeer, and this distinction may belong to Leonaert Bramer, although there is no similarity between their work.

Only about thirty-five to forty paintings by Vermeer are known, and although some early works may have been destroyed in the disastrous Delft magazine explosion of 1654, it is unlikely that the figure was ever much larger; this is because most of the Vermeers mentioned in early sources can be identified with surviving pictures, whilst only a few pictures now attributed to him are not mentioned in these sources - thus there are few loose ends. This small output may be at least partially explained by the fact that he almost certainly earned most of his living by means other than painting. His father kept an inn and was a picture-dealer and Vermeer very likely inherited both businesses. In spite of this he had grave financial troubles (he had a large family to support his wife bore him fifteen children, and she was declared insolvent in the year after his death).

It is difficult to fit his paintings into a convincing chronology, but his work nevertheless divides into three fairly clear phases.

I... The first is represented by only two works - Christ in the House of Mary and Martha (National Gallery of Scotland, Edinburgh) and Diana and her Companions (Mauritshuis, The Hague}. They are so different from Vermeer's other works - in their comparatively large scale, their subject matter, and their handling - that Diana and her Companions was long attributed to the obscure Jan Vermeer of Utrecht (c. 1630-after 1692), in spite of a genuine signature. The Procuress marks the transition to the middle phase of Vermeer's career, for although it is fairly large and warm in tonality - like the two history paintings - it is a contemporary life scene, as were virtually all Vermeer's pictures from now on.

II... In the central part of his career (into which most of his work falls) Vermeer painted those serene and harmonious images of domestic life that for their beauty of composition, handling, and treatment of light raise him into a different class from any other Dutch genre painter. The majority show one or two figures in a room lit from the onlooker's left, engaged in domestic or recreational tasks. The predominant colours are yellow, blue, and grey, and the compositions have an abstract simplicity which confers on them an impact out of relation to their small size. In reproduction they can look quite smooth and detailed, but Vermeer often applies the paint broadly, with variations in texture suggesting the play of light with exquisite vibrancy - the critic Jan Veth aptly described his paint surface as looking like 'crushed pearls melted together'. From this period of Vermeer's greatest achievement also date his only landscape - the incomparable View of Delft (Mauritshuis), in which he surpassed even the greatest of his specialist contemporaries in lucidity and truth of atmosphere - and his much-loved Little Street (Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam). Another painting of this period is somewhat larger in scale and unusual in subject for him - The Artist's Studio (Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna), in which Vermeer shows a back view of a painter, perhaps a suitably enigmatic self portrait.

III... In the third and final phase of his career Vermeer's work lost part of its magic as it became somewhat harder. There are still marvelous passages of paint in all his late works, but the utter naturalness of his finest works is gone. The only one of his paintings that might be considered a failure, the Allegory of Faith (Metropolitan Museum, New York), belongs to this period. His wife was a Catholic and he may well have been converted to her religion, but his rather lumbering figure shows he was not at ease with the trappings of Baroque allegory. There are symbolic references in other of his paintings, but they all - except for this one - make sense on a straightforward naturalistic level.

No drawings by Vermeer are known and little is known of his working method. It is virtually certain, however, that he made use of a camera obscura; the exaggerated perspective in some of his pictures (in which foreground figures or objects loom unexpectedly large) and the way in which sparkling highlights sometimes appear slightly out of focus are effects duplicated by unsophisticated lenses. The scientist Antony van Leeuwenhoek (1632-1723), celebrated for his work with microscopes, became the executor of Vermeer's estate and it may well have been an interest in optics that brought them together.

Biography from Web Gallery of Art. (http://www.wga.hu/bio/v/vermeer/biograph.html)


Some very interesting links concerning Vermeer:

Vermeer's Painting Technique (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/technique/technique_overview.htm)

Vermeer's Palette (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/palette/palette_vermeer'_palette.htm)

The Essential Vermeer (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/)

Vermeer-related sites on the internet. (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/complete_vermeer_links.htm)

Interesting Links to other Vermeer sites (http://www.johannesvermeer.info/verm/house/h-a-links-ENG.htm)

Vermeer's Paintings in the World (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/maps/mapeurope.htm)

Johannes Vermeer at the Art Renewal Center. (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/art.asp?aid=607)

Websites of Museum with Vermeer Paintings in their Collections (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/museum_pages.htm)

Vermeer's Signatures (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/signitures.htm)

Vermeer and the Camera Obscura (1) (http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/society_culture/art/vermeer_camera_01.shtml)

Vermeer and The Camera Obscura (2) (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/camera_obscura/co_one.htm)

How To Paint Your Own Vermeer (http://howtopaintavermeer.fws1.com/index.htm)

Johannes Vermeer Bookshop (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/books/books_vermeer.htm)

Videos, Novels and Poetry Inspired by Vermeer & Music of Vermeer's time (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/books/books_literature.htm)

Many may wonder why the Girl with a Pearl Earring was not picked as one of the paintings represented even though it is one of the most famous associated with Vermeer... the answer is simple... there is already a project here at Wet Canvas for it... Project Discussion: Girl with a Pearl Earring. (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/browse_details.php?proj_id=446) :D

Get busy and have FUN! :clap:


#1
Johannes Vermeer
Dutch, 1632 - 1675
Girl with the Red Hat
c. 1665/1666
oil on panel, support: 23.2 x 18.1 cm (9 1/2 x 7 1/8 in.)
painted surface: 22.8 x 18 cm (9 x 7 1/16 in.)
Andrew W. Mellon Collection
1937.1.53
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Click here for Hi-Res Image from the Art Renewal Center. (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=3846) Sometimes images from ARC do not load on some browsers... if that is the case go to Page 11 of Vermeer at ARC. (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/art.asp?aid=607&page=11)

Bigger Low-Res Image:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-redhattop.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-redhatbottom.JPG

Close-up detail Images:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-detail1new.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-detail3new.JPG

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#2
Johannes Vermeer
Dutch, 1632 - 1675
THE MILKMAID
c. 1658-1661
oil on canvas
17 7/8 x 16 in. (45.45 x 40.6 cm.)
The Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-smallmilkmaid.JPG

Click here for Hi-Res Image from Art Renewal Center. (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/image.asp?id=3841) Sometimes images from ARC do not load on some browsers... if that is the case go to Page 11 of Vermeer at ARC. (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/art.asp?aid=607&page=11) More detail shots on page 8 at ARC. (http://www.artrenewal.org/asp/database/art.asp?aid=607&page=8)

Bigger Low-Res Image:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-milkmaidtop.JPG
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-milkmaidbottom.JPG

Close-up detail Images:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-detail2milkmaid.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-deatil1milkmaid.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2005/17108-detail3milkmaid.JPG

More detail shots plus information concerning this painting about background, sitter, palette, history, museum information, and more can be found here: THE MILKMAID. (http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/catalogue/milkmaid.htm)

vee_209
03-01-2005, 03:22 AM
Der Rosic,

Thank you for the info and the links. :clap: I think I will enjoy this thread a lot. I would love to see everyone's work in progress. It certainly takes time!

Internet is a fantastic resource for Vermeer enthusiasts. How To Paint Your Own Vermeer web site is pretty much my very early exposure to Vermeer and old master multi-layer oil painting techniques.. I've done two studies so far.. Girl with a Pearl Earring and The Milkmaid. Each one of them took about a month to complete.

Vee

vee_209
03-01-2005, 03:27 AM
Here is the picture of my Milkmaid painting. Still incompleted. Any comments welcome. Still haven't don the wicker basket. That really makes me sweat! :rolleyes:

Vee

vee_209
03-01-2005, 03:40 AM
Here are the close up images of the arms and the face of the milkmaid. I'm sure that some corrections can still be made.

Rosic
03-01-2005, 05:52 PM
Vee... WOW... Man you have set the bar pretty high for the rest of us to follow. :D
This is looking superb my friend!
Gonna watch you with learning eyes.
Bernie

bjs0704
03-01-2005, 10:00 PM
Bernie - Thanks for the wonderful research on Vermeer! What a great collection of Vermeer links! :clap::clap:

Now, I am going to have to decide which one to do! Talk about tough choices!

Vee - Your version of the milkmaid is very nice! Good work!:clap::clap:

Thanks for the extra recommendation for the “How to paint your own Vermeer” site!

Barb Solomon :cat:

vee_209
03-02-2005, 02:06 PM
Thank you Bernie and Barb very much for your kind comments.

You probably noticed that my picture is a lot warmer than the original. This only occured to me when I compared it to the original pic on the net. Suppose I the books I got from the library are quite old. :rolleyes:

From the Vermeer's palette webpage Bernie mentioned earlier
(http://essentialvermeer.20m.com/palette/palette_vermeer'_palette.htm), I wonder which oil colour would be the closest to lead-tin yellow and natural lapis Lazuli (ultramarine)? I used Winsor& Newton's Cadmium yellow and little red ocher for the shirt and French ultramarine for the blue apron. They are are not very close to the original painting at all.

Vee

vee_209
03-02-2005, 02:13 PM
I just found an example of Lapis Lazuli from Gamblin's oil colour web page:
http://www.gamblincolors.com/materials/blues.html
click on Lapis Lazuli link.

bjs0704
03-02-2005, 03:03 PM
This website has quite a bit on historical pigments.

http://webexhibits.org/pigments/index.html


Here’s their page on lead tin yellow. I would say substitute, cadmium yellow light.

http://webexhibits.org/pigments/indiv/overview/pbsnyellow.html

Here’s ultramarine, which would originally been lapis lazuli. The ultramarine that we use today is called French ultramarine because that was where it was invented.

http://webexhibits.org/pigments/indiv/overview/ultramarine.html

Barb Solomon :cat:

rosebard
03-03-2005, 02:34 PM
Oh Boy! This is going to be tough. I have beeing following MOM since I became a member of WC but didnt have the corage to join in.

Vermer's work is one I am very interest in and told I could not loose the opportunity to learn about how he painted. So I had to get corage and join in this month.

Hope you guys have patience with me. It will be difficult at first.

Here it goes my underpainting. Read already the links and I am trying to follow the direction the link 'How to paint like Vermer".

I know it is quite way from likeness. And hope I can fix that as the work goes.

Please do comment and critize if needed.

I am hear to learn and I apprecie the efforts you guys make to help one another.

Rosic
03-03-2005, 03:11 PM
Rose... I'm excited that you are joining in on the fun. One thing... have patience with me too. :D

I was going to paint The Milkmaid but something about that red hat keeps drawing me in... still unsure but hope to start something this weekend.

Vee and Barb... thanks for the additional links and the homework on the pigments.

Bern

rosebard
03-03-2005, 05:50 PM
Thanks Rosic for the welcoming. I am too excited about it.

Couldnt stand the look at it. Then After I posted I went to the easel and rubbed the paint from the eyes. I ended up redoing the face again. Hope this time is a bit better than the last one.

here it goes.

dcorc
03-04-2005, 07:27 AM
Hi Bernie (great job there!) and all :wave:

Vee - very nice rendition so far - as Bern said, you've set the bar high!

Rose - welcome - looks like a good start from here!

I'm going to join in, and have a go at the "Girl in the Red Hat"

Well I'm going to take a purist approach to this one ;) :p :D

As this was on a wooden panel presumably primed with real gesso, I'll be doing mine on acrylic "gesso"-primed hardboard. I note the comments that this was a reused panel, with a man's head beneath the current painting, so I won't be doing that, but I will do a warm greyish brown imprimatura like Vermeer might have done, using lean alkyd paint which he certainly wouldn't :D

My intention is to start it across the weekend - I'll rough out in leadwhite, do a brownish underpainting , and then develop it - as a palette, I'm intending to use cremnitz white, charcoal grey, raw umber, french ultramarine, yellow ochre light, cadmium yellow pale (as a replacement for lead-tin yellow), a 3:1 mixture of cadmium red and cadmium orange (as a replacement for french vermilion) and permanent alizarin crimson (as a replacement for rose madder). I might also use lamp black - not sure about that yet. All W&N artists.

Dave

Rosic
03-04-2005, 07:47 AM
My intention is to start it across the weekend - I'll rough out in leadwhite, do a brownish underpainting , and then develop it - as a palette, I'm intending to use cremnitz white, charcoal grey, raw umber, french ultramarine, yellow ochre light, cadmium yellow pale (as a replacement for lead-tin yellow), a 3:1 mixture of cadmium red and cadmium orange (as a replacement for french vermilion) and permanent alizarin crimson (as a replacement for rose madder). I might also use lamp black - not sure about that yet. All W&N artists.

Dave
Dave... welcome aboard... thanks for the palette. I remember when I first joined the MOM projects how valuable info like this was... STILL is for me!

Rose... the rework looks good.

rosebard
03-04-2005, 11:47 PM
Thanks Dave for the welcoming.

Hope it is at least a good start not perfect but good to start with.

I havent studied the pallete yet. But from your palete I may wont have what is needed in my paint box. The brand I use is national, some colour are some what diferent. I will try to match, and then we going to find out if it did or not.

Vee, your Milkmaid painting is coming along really nice. Well done! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Rosic I told that too. The first one I lost myself totally on the values of the face. But somehow this one is much better. But still not alike. I like this painting a lot. The composition is great I think. But her face!!! Get her likeness will be a challenge most of all. That is not a surprise for me, as portrait is something I wish to do but never did really one. So, 2 big goals for me.

dcorc
03-05-2005, 06:46 AM
One thing to note about the ref image for "Girl in a red hat" is that the larger images are somewhat cropped on the left hand edge - the aspect ratio of the small image at the top of Bernie's intro article is the closest to the complete painting it would seem.

Here's my first stage - hardboard, toned with titanium white, lamp black and raw umber alkyds to give a "warm grey" - dried overnight - sketch using cremnitz white and mineral spirit - pushed around/corrected/erased with mineral spirit until I was happy with line placements.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2005/30792-dcgirh1.jpg

Dave

dcorc
03-05-2005, 07:32 AM
I'm always fascinated by visual similarities - and I've been trying to place who the "Girl in red hat" reminds me of....

Now I've got it! - it's Marilyn Manson! :evil:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2005/30792-mmrh.jpg

:D

Dave

Rosic
03-05-2005, 08:39 AM
Dave... you have me http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2005/17108-18735-roflbo_emoticon.gif

dcorc
03-05-2005, 11:23 AM
Sorry about that Bernie, it just seemed so perfect (and yet so wrong :p ) that I just couldn't resist :evil:

Here's the next stage on mine - scrubbed in very thinly with soft brushes, raw umber, charcoal grey, yellow ochre pale and cremnitz white - it's now officially in the ugly stage, and might yet end up as Mr Manson :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Mar-2005/30792-dcgirh2.jpg

As an aside, I went the other day to have a look at the two Vermeers in the National Gallery here
A Young Woman seated at a Virginal (http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=ng2568) - description and small image
Larger image (http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/largeImage?workNumber=NG2568&collectionPublisherSection=work)

and

A Young Woman standing at a Virginal (http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/work?workNumber=NG1383) - description and small image
Larger image (http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/cgi-bin/WebObjects.dll/CollectionPublisher.woa/wa/largeImage?workNumber=NG1383&collectionPublisherSection=work)

These are both on canvas which as been well-primed and is flat - the paint has an enamel-like quality - on the faces it seems thin and layered in scumbles. Some areas are a little more thickly painted, such as the highlights on the carving of the golden picture frames, but the paint looks like it was fluid and "long" there (that is, handling like modern paint does with the addition of a little stand oil and/or a small amount of venice or strasbourg turpentine - so that brush strokes smooth out.)

Dave

bjs0704
03-05-2005, 02:03 PM
Bernie - I finally had time to look at a few of those websites! Some of them are incredible! Thanks for posting the links!

Rose - What colors did you use for your first layer?

Check the angle of the lips, the horizontal “axis” for the mouth is tilting more toward us. In Vermeer’s, it is tilted away from the viewer. Other than that, you have a pretty good likeness to the original. Vermeer has more shadow but, you are probably smart to not rush into getting too dark.

I always enjoy trying to get as close as I can, but I think that you still do learn quite a bit even if the copy does have a few changes. So change when you need to!

Dave - It’s good to see that you are joining in with the rest of us! I can’t wait to see your “Girl in a Red Hat”!

You have a beautiful start, Dave! That warm grey is an interesting color for a toned ground! Your doing well with the background. I love the way that the original has objects that are half hidden and peek out from the darkness.

Isn’t “The Girl at the Virginal” really similar is colors and lighting to “The Milkmaid”? Thanks for the notes and observations!

LOL!!!!! That hat suits Marilyn perfectly! It is too funny!

I am going to try doing the “Girl in a Red Hat”!

Barb Solomon :cat:

rosebard
03-05-2005, 05:17 PM
hi Barb, First I gave a thin layer of burnet umber with tuperntine and allowed it to dry through. Then, I used burnet umber and tintanio white for the underpaint, used the medium lean at this stage. This week I want to do the colour layer. But still I am not sure about the pallete I should use for it. I use brazilian brand. The best one in Brazil. Will study today about the pallete.
Thanks for the help.

Dave, yours is coming along nicely. And I am excited to see the colours in it.

Good Barb that you are going to do it also.

dollardays
03-05-2005, 08:12 PM
I'm always fascinated by visual similarities - and I've been trying to place who the "Girl in red hat" reminds me of....

Now I've got it! - it's Marilyn Manson! :evil:



Oh! Revelation! You have just given me an idea. Now I need to find a photo of someone I would like to see in a red hat.
(Is that allowed? Well, even if it isn't I still want to do it.) :p

Nora

bjs0704
03-05-2005, 10:26 PM
Nora - I can’t wait to see who your are going to put in that hat!

Barb Solomon :cat:

sbeckett
03-06-2005, 01:04 PM
I'd done the Milkmaid last summer -just have a fuzzy pic from my old camera. My brother got it for Xmas. The image I had was way too de-sat. Didn't know about the vivid blues and yellows til I saw it in a book.
Red Hat is the kind of loose stuff thats made Vermeer one of my favorites. I now know this was due to his "discs of confusion". (Which, when placed under the tongue, will quickly and safely ease all symptoms of mastery and certitude -talk to your doctor about...). -sorry- The camera obscura theory is believable -I just like that jewel-like quality seen in the lion heads and robe.
I was thinking big on this til I heard its size. Went with a 9X12 canvas board with extra gesso to keep it similar- mine is still larger. Don't know why he would have gone so small. 15(?) kids and he still insisted on lapis blue! I've seen a show on the trek into the Hindu Kush where it comes from- no wonder its expensive.
Had trouble with the head -the angle's not right and now I see its probably too small. She'll have to get used to it. Won't do any more til its dry.
Turner is grinding to a close. Should post this week after I've slopped on another layer or two of atmosphere. -Steve

Rosic
03-06-2005, 04:53 PM
One thing to note about the ref image for "Girl in a red hat" is that the larger images are somewhat cropped on the left hand edge - the aspect ratio of the small image at the top of Bernie's intro article is the closest to the complete painting it would seem.

Dave

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Dave!
Sorry guys... this slipped past me unnoticed.

Nora... I look forward to your rendition... sounds very interesting!

Steve... Bravo... glad you joined in... I look forward to getting to know you.

I primed a 20x16 masonite hardboard with three coats of gesso... added rough sketch in charcoal... spray fixed it... then added one thin layer of gesso to lighten the sketch. Tried a picture to post but is so light it would seem a waste of time to post it. I decided to do a cropped version of The Milkmaid similar to Vee's. Hope to post something soon.
Bern

raison d etre
03-06-2005, 07:40 PM
I've been watching the MOM's for a while now.

I've decided to give "Girl in the Red Hat" a try. I'm having trouble getting a clear picture of it also. It seems my monitor is off. I've got a book "Great Masters of Art, which shows a few of his pieces, and when I compare them to the computer images I bring up there is a big difference in the color and details.

This is is going to be a great challenge. I've got to find a good photo of this work....... I'll donate it to the local "Red Hat Society" they should get a kick out of that. Maybe put a little purple in the robe. Who knows

rosebard
03-07-2005, 01:08 PM
Hi everyone.

Here is a bit of what is happening around here.
Today I brought my table easel near the computer. As my print isnt good enough. Thought the image from the comp would help. OK, The first thing I notice it was too dark. And wonder if that was suppose to be like that. Tried that way first. :eek: :eek: :eek: I messed it up. Got so frustated. I got all the paint out from her face. Ah! another thing, I left the underpaint quite a few days to dry. At the touch it was dry. But when I started to paint over it specially at the face. the paint didnt quite gone well on it. MOre frustation.

I thought of giving up the all thing all together.

OK... I came back, than I made the photo lighter so I could see better. Tried from there. That is where I stopped.

EDGARB
03-07-2005, 04:42 PM
Trying to be a different master every month could be fun

or not So I am going to give it a try. This is my start

guillot
03-07-2005, 05:31 PM
Hi EdgarB and EVERYONE :wave:

These MOM's are great fun Edgar, great way to learn and improve on techniques and skills. Your drawing looks great!!

I've been so pressed for time lately, although I did get picked up by a local gallery I've been doing life drawing sessions with. They have one of my paintings (a modern piece / abstract) on exhibit until the end of April in the "Women Diversified" Exhibit. The painting was intended for the "Turning Tides Relief Effort" here in El Paso (another Tsunami Fund Raiser), but wasn't dry in time for that show. But, Quite a great group of women artists on display and I can't believe I have a painting next to theirs and feel somewhat overwhelmed and nervous to be included in their presence.

Bernie - I'm trying to get to the lady with the red hat!! I've wanted to paint her, and I'm hoping I'll find a couple of hours this weekend to give it a good wack with the brush. I really wanted to do the Turner too, but I think If I can get caught up - this would be the time to get caught up :)

Everyone is doing wonderful !!! Great stuff going on here.

Tina

rosebard
03-07-2005, 05:47 PM
Edgarb that is a very nice drawing. Looking forward to see you doing that one.

Guillot, it will be quite good to see you join in the Girl with the red hair. Another one for me to watch closely.

guillot
03-07-2005, 11:00 PM
Thanks Rose :)

Ok, in the spirit of Vermeer - the dead layer. Took me approx 2 hours to do this, can be refined further, but this has to dry first.

What fun. She's obviously asian - but here is my dead layer - raw umber, flake white and lamp black (as close as I could get to "charcoal black")

Will let this dry and will refine with velatura's and finally with glazes.

Came back to edit - on a 16x20, scaled work - direct painting, no preliminary drawing this stage, with lots if things to fix along the way... :D

Thanks,
Tina

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Mar-2005/5957-dead_layerC1.jpg

dollardays
03-08-2005, 09:28 AM
[QUOTE=guillot]Thanks Rose :)

Ok, in the spirit of Vermeer - the dead layer. Took me approx 2 hours to do this, can be refined further, but this has to dry first.

What fun. She's obviously asian - but here is my dead layer - raw umber, flake white and lamp black (as close as I could get to "charcoal black")

Will let this dry and will refine with velatura's and finally with glazes.

Came back to edit - on a 16x20, scaled work - direct painting, no preliminary drawing this stage, with lots if things to fix along the way... :D

Thanks,
Tina

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Tina,
I burst out laughing when I saw her... please don't be mad. She is so cross-eyed - I know it's just your first layer and there's lots more to do. Looking good!

Bard,
This looks great so far. Don't know what you're worried about.

Edgarb- you picked the hard one- braver than I. A very nice start.

Steve:
They're both excellent. Especially the milkmaid. You should be proud.

Dave- Looking good- I think your lay in is right on.

I attached my three hours worth here, all alla prima. Stayed up painting til midnight so I am a bit groggy. As you can see, I hired a prettier model and she wasn't cheap! (Is she recognizable yet?)

I need to think about how I can throw a shadow from the hat on her face while it's drying. Then need to finish the shirt and hand yet, so probably another couple of hours of work that I won't get to until the weekend.

Nora

guillot
03-08-2005, 11:59 AM
Hi Nora, LOL I know :D Looks like a cross-eyed little boy :evil: Yep - still lots to do.

Tina

rosebard
03-08-2005, 04:45 PM
Nora, It looks terrific. Can I try guessing???? :D

To me, looks like Jennifer Lopes. Come on and tell. Otherwise I will eat myself up. :wink2:

Thanks for making me relaxing a bit about it. Dont ask me?? I dont know either. I thing I just had a row with the kids exactly the time I was in the middle of it. And you know?? Concentration, inspiration, patience all gone away. They usually gives me a lot of space to draw and paint. They enjoy see me doing it. I believe I picked the wrong time to do it, probably.

NOra, could you share your color pallete?

Going to work more on it in a few days.

Rosic
03-08-2005, 06:04 PM
Looking great everyone! :clap:

EdgarB, Tina, raison,... glad you all joined in on the fun!

Nora... COOL!

Bern

dollardays
03-08-2005, 10:14 PM
Nora, It looks terrific. Can I try guessing???? :D

To me, looks like Jennifer Lopes. Come on and tell. Otherwise I will eat myself up. :wink2:

Thanks for making me relaxing a bit about it. Dont ask me?? I dont know either. I thing I just had a row with the kids exactly the time I was in the middle of it. And you know?? Concentration, inspiration, patience all gone away. They usually gives me a lot of space to draw and paint. They enjoy see me doing it. I believe I picked the wrong time to do it, probably.

NOra, could you share your color pallete?

Going to work more on it in a few days.

Hi Bard,

No, it's not Jennifer!! I worked another hour on the face and hat. If you don't get it soon I'll give in. :) Obviously, it must not be the best likeness of this person ever done.

Nora

dollardays
03-08-2005, 10:19 PM
NOra, could you share your color pallete?

.

Forgot to post this... permanent blue, permalba white, burnt sienna, yellow ochre, cadmium red light, over a sap green underpainting.

I've never used the permanent blue before and I don't usually use permalba white but i have a large tube of it I want to get rid of.

bravynn
03-08-2005, 10:56 PM
Nora, she's beautiful. Let me guess... is it Hallee Berry, the actress? Don't know if I spelled the first name right or not.

I've decided to acknowledge the critic voice within, yeahhh, yeahhh...yadda..blah..blah, and 'try painting a master' again. If I listened, and caved in everytime I hear that part of me, I would never attempt to do what I dearly love, and want to learn more of. If I hit a snag, will you, and the others help me through it? I know that's what Bernie wrote in the very first posting of this thread, so I guess that's already taken care of. Please be patient with me. :) Great thread Bernie! I still intend on looking at the links you've shared.

I was thinking of doing a viridian or terre verte wash over the 24x30 canvas, and maybe partially or all underpainting of brown. Painting takes me a lot longer then some of you talented people since I'm just beginning to learn, but I'm willing to keep on plugging along.

Lots of good starts here already! I'll try to get my canvas prepared tomorrow. It rarely comes out as beautiful as the vision I have. Sometimes, I come close, but still not as good as I could/want to be. In time..in time...practice/practice. I always have lots of good ideas for paintings...now, if I can get the techniques et al caught up with the ideas. *g*

Not gonna give up!

I've chosen to do another face on mine. Maybe you can guess when I get some steam revving up in the painting. She looks great in the hat, and old period clothing. hehe

Barbara

Rosic
03-09-2005, 07:59 AM
If I hit a snag, will you, and the others help me through it? I know that's what Bernie wrote in the very first posting of this thread, so I guess that's already taken care of. Please be patient with me. :)
We've got your back covered girl... glad you are joining us! :D


Great thread Bernie! I still intend on looking at the links you've shared.
That Essential Vermeer link has an endless wealth of info!


Not gonna give up!
That's the attitude! :clap:

I've chosen to do another face on mine. Maybe you can guess when I get some steam revving up in the painting. She looks great in the hat, and old period clothing. hehe
Can't wait to see it!

Barbara

Barbara... exciting to have you here.

Nora... I like yours better than Vermeer's... :wink2:

Rosic
03-09-2005, 09:55 AM
Roughing in under-painting with burnt umber... this is as far as I have gotten. :( At least you guys get an idea of the crop I have chosen to work with.
Bern

20x16 gessoed Masonite hardboard
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Mar-2005/17108-mom151.JPG

DLGardner
03-09-2005, 11:04 AM
Hi everyone!

I'm going to join in this month. I don't have time today, maybe this evening but I just wanted to subscribe so I get all the updates. You folks are doing fantastic!

I'm going to be doing the Milkmaid. The girl in the red hat is soooo dark on my monitor that I don't even want to attempt it.

Good job on your intro Bernie!

Dianne

dollardays
03-09-2005, 04:51 PM
Nora, she's beautiful. Let me guess... is it Hallee Berry, the actress? Don't know if I spelled the first name right or not.
<<snip>>
Not gonna give up!

I've chosen to do another face on mine. Maybe you can guess when I get some steam revving up in the painting. She looks great in the hat, and old period clothing. hehe

Barbara

You get five lollipops, Barbara! Halle Berry- or at least my feeble attempt. Now I am looking at the hand and thinking, "why is it hidden? Maybe I should raise it up and put something in it. A cigar? Not politically correct, I suppose. A mirror?" I dunno... I am probably risking getting kicked out of the thread by messin' with the masters, but I think it's fun. And if it inspires me to throw some paint on the canvas that's all well and good.

I do look forward to guessing who you put "in the hat", Barbara. And you're always learning as long as you're painting, so make mistakes, wipe them out and try again. That's what I love about oils. :)

Nice underpainting Bernie!

Nora

dcorc
03-09-2005, 05:20 PM
....I am probably risking getting kicked out of the thread by messin' with the masters....

By the Moderator that photoshopped Marilyn Manson into it ? :eek: :evil: - I think you're fairly safe, Nora :D

:p Dave

Squib
03-09-2005, 06:08 PM
Hi All, just wanted to say hello and say what a great job everyone is doing. I have made a start on the Milkmaid, and have been taking photos - just too late to upload at the mo. (My eyes are closing. Straight to bed after this post !) I'll try and get them up tomorrow. I actually had a few hours spare today (a miracle), so selfishly locked myself away with my easel. I'll comment more tomorrow. G'night :)

raison d etre
03-09-2005, 07:29 PM
Here is my first block in of the Gilrwith the Red Hat. This is not ging to be easy.... But I should learn a lot. I think the key will be to get the subtle value changes of her features using at best, a really poor reference. After all Vermeer had a live model..... I see I've got work to do on the nose and mouth and the chin. And the HAT... that texture of Vermeer's in wonderful. This month is going to fly by. I see my photo skills need a tune up too. I didn't get the whole thing in the frame. Oh well!

vee_209
03-09-2005, 11:16 PM
Dear all,

Nice work everyone! This is getting more and more interesting. I particularly love the Marilyn Manson version, Dave. It would make a very creepy portrait! :D I am inspired!

I am currently in Thailand for my 2 months holiday. Quite a shame that I haven't been able to bring any oil paint home because of the weight.This means that I won't be able to do any more painting until i go back to UK. :crying: I will post more pics after the session is over, if possible.

All the best!

Vee

Nickel
03-10-2005, 07:27 AM
Just want to say hi and see if you have room for one more to join in with you this month on painting The Girl with the Red Hat. Seems like this piece will teach alot about Vermeer's style. All the starts so far are very good!

Carey Griffel
03-10-2005, 09:57 AM
:eek:

You guys ROCK!!

I seem to have missed February entirely and now here we are into March...but I wanted to be sure to jump on board and cheer you all on for doing the fantastic jobs you're doing! Very proud of you all for these. Vermeer was, truly, a master, and I appreciate his works...but I'll have to be honest and say that his work has never truly struck a chord with me, so I won't be joining in--but I'll say that already I think some of you have such great things going...some of your work I do, in fact, like better than the originals! :o ;)

And thanks for the great info provided!!!!

~!Carey

Squib
03-10-2005, 03:28 PM
:wave: Hi All, and nice to meet the newcomers this month.

Vee - beautiful work.
Dave - LOL - that's scary !!
Steve - beautiful as usual. :envy:
Rose - looking good.
Rocky - nice drawing.
Tina - good start considering you didn't draw her first.
Nora - stunning !
Bernie - good start.
ReNae, she looks lovely already !!

Hope I haven't missed anyone out. Carey - pity you're not joining in :) .

I managed to get started. (Totally missed the Turner - just ran out of month!).

The only board I had that was suitable is 16 x 20ins. I couldn't bare the thought of doing a 2" face, so I came up with the crop below - still a very small face !

I did a far more detailed drawing than usual - don't know why - I was just enjoying drawing it, so eventually had to stop myself. I had a few hours yesterday, and the same again today. As usual - the face eludes me. What am I doing wrong ?? Give me a loaf of bread, or a complicated landscape, and I can paint it every time; but I have a mental block as far as faces are concerned !!! :mad:

The reference I printed out is very dark. I think I will lighten everything up in the next layer (making extra work for myself.)

I'll keep at it. I want to do the girl in the red hat as well, so I'd better get a move on.

Please excuse the very bad photos.

Edit - I've just seen how crooked her nose is in my painting - grrrrrr!!!!!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2005/35948-mm1.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Mar-2005/35948-mm2.JPG

Rosic
03-10-2005, 04:58 PM
Dianne... glad to see you joining in!

Nora... Thanks!

Carey... we all could use a good cheerleader. :D

Rose... looking good.

Vee... see you when you get back!

Nickel... By all means... join in on the fun! Glad to have you!

Lorraine... Looks great! :clap: You and I are working a similar crop... are you going to add the basket and lamp?... works well without them.

Bern

pixieface
03-10-2005, 05:15 PM
hi guys
its great to lolok at all the different styles you have,,and Dave i loved your marylin manson lol!
dont have much to=ime to get involved in moms, but i thought u might like to see a study i did of the Milkmaid when i was at college. i did that one and the girl with the pearl earring. i sold the milkmaid a few years ago now.
good luck everyone!
pixie :cat:

guillot
03-10-2005, 05:43 PM
Hi Pixieface - that's a very nice painting!!

Bernie - you have a great start their buddie.

Lorraine - Thanks :) I've been going to life drawing classes every wednesday and its helping me tremendously. However we have this one model, a repeat, - I mean she's fantastic, but she has very hairy armpits and it just drives me nuts. I was thinking - sounds so "VERMEERISH " "The Girl with the Hairy Armpits". :D She's a beautiful model though. I know differrent cultures have different measures of appearance, but she's american, and it's just kind of strange and different. Wouldn't bother me otherwise - been many places in this world - just "not usual" in these parts. Don't mean to get off topic. Your painting looks fabulous Lorraine !!!!!

Mine needs a lot more work. Need to refine the face and fix those crossed eyes. Funny - the painting in person - doesn't look crossed - picture does, I believe it's because it's not picking up the highlight in the eye that I have in the painting on the outside of the iris. But still need to fix that and the lips and the, well, heck, the overall face needs fixed. She looks like a boy in my painting :)

Everyone is doing fantastic :) :clap:

Tina

rosebard
03-10-2005, 10:03 PM
Thanks Squib and Rosic.

Thanks Nora for sharing your pallete. I dont know who is Hallee Berry? But I can say that you are doing a great job on it. She looks beautiful there.

Bernie, raison and loraine nice work so far.

yep, raison not easy for sure.

Nickell looking forward to see your efforts on this piece.

Marcia Stoetzel
03-11-2005, 08:52 AM
I have just joined your website and am most interested in your MOM projects. Is there any place I can go to and see some of the previous projects?
Marcia

dollardays
03-11-2005, 09:45 PM
I think I am going to call it done. I was going to try to put a shadow on her face but was afraid i would ruin it.
I could not get a good photo with the glare so I am showing one lacking detail that I took with no flash and then one with glare for actual color.
I decided to change the hand. Why not? I already changed the face, I thought, then I ended up changing the position of the sleeve to match the hand, etc. etc... And it was a challenge coming up with a hand that "fit". I looked in the mirror, drew my left hand on top of an upside down glass- the mirror reversed the hand so it became her right hand. See pic attached. Then I used the drawing to paint from. Do I get extra credit for innovation?
So I ended up with "Halle in a Red Hat with Artists's Hand".
It was an interesting journey though. :)

Lorraine,
Your painting is coming along wonderfully. You can always blend those sharp passages later.

bravynn
03-11-2005, 09:50 PM
I've managed to get my canvas sketched tonight. Tomorrow, I'll 'wash' it. My satellite dish has been giving my internet connection fits due to transmission failures. Called the advanced techs, and the replacement part on the dish should reach me from 3-5 biz days. Then maybe I can get the installer out. I'm just glad I can still get on the net off and on, and the email hasn't stopped altogether. :-) Otherwise, life is good. :D

Tina, my former german sisNlaw didn't shave her legs. My german 'hairy'-tage only shows itself in the winter if I'm in a hurry, and wearing pants. :evil: Never to an extreme though. My husband appreciates that. ;-) Only pulled a trick on my grand-daughter once....Hayley, feel Nana's smooth leg. NANAAAA!! :evil:

I love watching people form from the stages in painting. Everyone...great beginnings!

Will show some work soon!

Nora - thank you for the five lollipops! ;-)

I know how to 'wipe' canvas. *g*

Barbara

Rosic
03-11-2005, 09:55 PM
Lorraine... Could you please share your palette with me... I'm planning on starting the color stages on the Milkmaid this weekend. Thanks...
Bern

Nora... Love it girl! :clap:

bravynn
03-11-2005, 10:07 PM
Nora, I think your painting turned out beautifully! Your hand looks a bit like mine.
:-) Just an observation. I think the painting is more special when you place a part of yourself in it, unless it's a commission I suppose. Heard it said, that an artist always has a bit of him/her-self in their creations. hmmm...maybe that's why some of the noses I draw, always turn out looking like mine. :wink2: Then I have to adjust it. I have an idea for a self-portrait, if I ever get to it.

hmmm...I think I'll change the hat, and borrow that viking two horned hat of Diane's painting she did recently. I'm kiddingggggg Dave and Bernie! LOL Wouldn't that be hilarious though? I probably would get booted out for sure if I did that. ;-)

I'll behave!

I love your paintings Nora! Fabulous! :clap:

Barbara :)

Squib
03-12-2005, 06:22 AM
Thanks All for your comments.

Pixie - nice paintings. :)

Tina - lucky you - life drawing classes ! Yes, I know what you mean about not looking cross-eyed IRL. Mine doesn't look as though the milk is sour IRL ! LOL at your "hairy" story. We are such a diverse people - so many different customs, and so many different attitudes to what is acceptable or not. You would not believe some of the customs in Zimbabwe (where I lived until 3 years ago).

:wave: Hi Marcia - are you going to join us ? Hope so - the more the merrier (another brain to pick). If you look in this Forum (the one you are in), you will see threads for all the previous MOM's. Great source for learning.

:wave: Hi Rose.

Nora - your [painting is beautiful. She looks gorgeous - those eyes ! :clap: :clap: :clap: Yes, you get a gold star for innovation ! :D

Barbara - the viking helmet would look really good on her face - Queen of the Vikings. Connection problems are a real pain. We have just installed a wireless connection (as there are 3 users of the internet in our house). So now they can all connect remotely. Too technical for me though. When it's working it's wonderful, but when it has an off day, I could scream ! (Especially when I want to log on to WC and can't !)

Bernie - I may add the basket & lamp - suppose I should (I need to stop taking short cuts). My palette so far is an 'unnamed' blue - it is a very old Da Vinci - had it for years and there is no label ,burnt umber, burnt sienna, yellow ochre & titanium/zinc white. I tried to mix a green/blue for the greeny portion of the sleeves but wasn't happy with it, so will have a go again today. Her face is mixes of burnt sienna/yellow ochre/white. I'm not at all happy with it (my loaf of bread looks great though :evil: !).

House is clean, coffee is brewing, its 11.20 am, and I'm off to paint. :clap: :clap: :clap:

dcorc
03-12-2005, 10:51 AM
Hi All ! :wave:

Pixie - Nice to see your "Vermeers" here, ! :wave:

Marcia - there's a complete index to all the MOMs with links here:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2550947#post2550947

Nora - turned out beautifully!

Here's the next stage in my "Girl with a Red Hat" (also with wobbly eyes at this stage! :p ) This is actual size to the original - 9½ x 7¼ ins - so far only cremnitz white, yellow ochre pale, raw umber and charcoal grey - thinned just a little with 50/50 alkali-refined linseed oil/turpentine. I note that the cremnitz white, painted thinly, goes on looking more opaque than when it dries.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2005/30792-dcgirh3.jpg

I think there's enough here to be able to go to colour, next.

Dave

Squib
03-12-2005, 02:50 PM
Hi All,

Had a lovely afternoon painting (even managed to join in the WDE for the first time).

Yours is looking good Dave. I wish I had done an underpainting instead of going straight in with colour. Too late now, but I will do so with the Girl with a Red Hat.

I've made a bit of progress, but she needs to dry as I'm mucking things up. I will leave her alone for the night, and see how she is tomorrow. This girl must have been a very hard worker. She has a set of arms that would make a coal miner proud ! I've worked on her arms and face, and fiddled here and there. :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Mar-2005/35948-mm3.JPG

Rosic
03-12-2005, 04:24 PM
Lorraine... yours is looking great! Thanks for the palette.

Dave... Nice under-painting.

Bern

bravynn
03-13-2005, 12:25 AM
I pretty much finished my underpainting tonight, except for some adjustments here and/or there. Will take a picture of it tomorrow to upload. I tried to keep the paint as thin as I could so it won't take a long time to dry. Perhaps I need to try an acrylic underpainting, or try liquin to escalate the drying from now on.
Lorraine, your painting is looking great! I have problems with facial features.
Rose, can't wait to see your next unveiling.

Barbara

EDGARB
03-13-2005, 02:24 PM
Here I am in the middle of the underpainting. I think I am going to get more time today to work on it. A question I have is - are underpaintings very detailed or not?

It is nice to see all these great vermeers in one place.

I just realized the light tones are showing as blue Hmmm they aren't that way in the painting.

Rosic
03-13-2005, 04:05 PM
A question I have is - are underpaintings very detailed or not?

An under-painting can be as detailed as you want or simply a blocking in of lights and darks.

My under-painting (done in burnt umber) is a simple block-in type.

Bern

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Mar-2005/17108-mom152.JPG

Squib
03-13-2005, 05:53 PM
Bernie- very nice start.

Barbara - usually I just use turps for my underpainting - very runny wash (usually of burnt umber) and it is dry in no time (sometimes less than an hour). What are you using for your underpainting ? Looking forward to seeing it.

Edgar - also a good start. Yes, I echo what Bernie said - it's up to you. Sometimes mine are very detailed. I didn't do one for this painting, and I'm sorry now (althoug my drawing ended up very detailed). But I like to work over an underpainting of burnt umber/burnt sienna. While painting it, I can iron out any problems I'll have later on. I use it as a map, if you get my meaning. :confused: (And then I usually go on and mess up the face with colour !!!!!) :)

rosebard
03-14-2005, 01:09 PM
Hello!!

Here I am again. Just a simple update, not much was done.

Quite difficult will be to master the master's technique. But one day it will happen. Was just studying about the flesh tones. And probably it will be my next step. Go back to her face. Thinking of applying the same rules to my daughter's first portrait. Trying to practice more on Vermeer and have a go on my daughter's face. Shoot two birds at once. Just a thought for now.

Barbara thanks for the encoraging words.

HI Squib!! :wave:

rwhiteley
03-14-2005, 04:50 PM
Heres my start on girl with red hat. The photo somehow dulled down the red, on my canvas its more crimson. Must be the white balance setting.
Having trouble with the face tones. my printout showed dark muddy colors, but I just went back to the face detail pictures at the start, and I see there are lighter skin tones with reds etc. So I will rework.
The expression is difficult also the mouth. :(

R2

bravynn
03-14-2005, 06:15 PM
Lorraine,
I thought after you do the canvas with a wash all over, you start painting the underpainting with oil mixed with the turp. I got so wrapped up with trying to get values and shapes right, I even forgot to use oil or turp. :eek: So I did it wrong? I used [when I remembered to use it], 50/50 turp n linseed oil. I suppose it just means I'll have to use more oil when I'm laying out the color, right? I was confused about the beginning. Glad you told me what you usually do with underpainting. Live and learn. I'm uploading the beginning, though I'm still not finished with correcting/doing the values. I think I'll start adding color next. I must add, that this lady on my canvas is a bit chunkier in the face to what I'm changing it to now. Wish I could lose weight overnight like that. LOL :D

Lots of work to do on this canvas, but once I start, I love being 'lost/in another zone' as I paint.

Fab work Lorraine, and R2! When I see R2, I want to finish it, and say D2. :p

Here's the lady below!

Barbara

bjs0704
03-14-2005, 11:26 PM
Rose- I love how soft your version looks. It’s very romantic! Your colors are lovely!

Dave - It would be wonderful to be able to see those Vermeer’s in person!

Your version is coming along nicely! You are really doing well with the shadows and highlights!

Steve - Both of your “Vermeers” are lovely!

raison d etre - Welcome! You’ve got a great start! Your hat came out fantastic!

Vee - Thanks for stopping by and saying “Hi!”

Carey - Thanks for cheering us on!

Rocky - Good start! You are doing really well with the underpainting.

Tina - That was a great start on your “The Girl in the Red Hat”!

Nora - That was a beautiful choice for a face! I love the rich colors in your painting! It’s a really beautiful painting and it has really become something of your own!

bravynn - That’s a very nice underpainting! I can’t wait to see how it turns out!

Bernie - Your off to a good start!

Lorraine - Your drawing is gorgeous! Your “Vermeer” is turning out wonderfully! You have really caught the light and your colors are so rich looking!

Pixie - Thanks for stopping in! Your Vermeer’s are lovely! Very good work!

Nickel - It’s nice to meet you! Your colors are beautiful! It really gives the painting an interesting mood!

R2 - Your doing really well! Great job!

Barb Solomon :cat:

bjs0704
03-15-2005, 09:41 AM
I'm sorry that I haven't been around for a bit, I have been busy trying to draw out "The girl in a Red Hat". The decoration in the background is fascinating. It seems to be a mural with a couple of ladies in big hoop skirts. :cool:

So here she is at the outline stage!

dcorc
03-15-2005, 11:48 AM
May I offer one general piece of advice to people on this one? - I'd say paint only what you can actually see - copy the patterns rather than trying to make sense of the shapes - as I see some are trying to do in their underdrawings - Vermeer simplified and abstracted the shapes - one of the interesting side-issues about his possible use of a camera obscura is that it forces this upon one - a major argument that he did use such a tool at some point is precisely the out-of-focus way that some features are handled:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Mar-2005/30792-Girl_with_a_Red_Hat.detail.jpg

- with circles of confusion (or as photographers call it - bokeh - see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/bokeh.html for example )

Here's my next stage - initial colour as glazes/scumbles - just gone over the background in yellow ochre, the gown in french ultramarine, and the hat in my pseudo-vermilion (~3:1 cadmium red/cadmium orange). The face has got a layer composed of lead white plus hints of yellow ochre and "vermilion".

I've added a little medium to the paint, composed of stand oil and turps with just a touch of strasbourg turpentine (this is a viscous resin, similar to venice turpentine) - this smooths brushstrokes and diffuses edges slightly (for that bokeh effect!) - I also added in just a hint of cobalt drier, as I know from previous experience of using a similar mix (but heavier on the stand oil and strasbourg) on the Bouguereau, that it can take a while to dry.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Mar-2005/30792-dcgirh4.jpg

Dave

dollardays
03-15-2005, 03:00 PM
May I offer one general piece of advice to people on this one? - I'd say paint only what you can actually see - copy the patterns rather than trying to make sense of the shapes - as I see some are trying to do in their underdrawings - Vermeer simplified and abstracted the shapes - one of the interesting side-issues about his possible use of a camera obscura is that it forces this upon one - a major argument that he did use such a tool at some point is precisely the out-of-focus way that some features are handled:

What Dave is saying is VERY important. Don't try to guess at images and shapes, especially if they move attention away from the focal point of your painting, which is clearly the face and the shadow in the Red Hat painting. The details are not importrant and if you squint at it and it disappears- don't paint it!

Lorraine- that is looking especially awesome!!! Everyone else too! Sorry I don't have time now to comment on each one!

Nora

jo_b
03-15-2005, 05:26 PM
Hello Everyone,
I am new here. I have been lurking for a little under a week now learning about this site. I have been facinated by this thread in particular...and have decided to join you all in the MOM. I'm a little behind the rest of you though. I saw the 2 Vermeers that you are using and I was totally thrilled! Vermeer is my ALL TIME FAVORITE artist. I have decided to paint "Girl in the Red Hat". I started on it last night laying down the umber tinted wash and this afternoon blocked in the underpainting. Now I have to let that dry so I can start the really fun stuff. I'll upload a photo of the underpainting as soon as I figure out how.

Just to give you all a little info about myself... I am a landscape painter, somewhere between realism and impressionism. I have been painting in oils since I was 5 when my parents bought me my first "Paint by Number" set that I quickly turned over and painted my "own" thing on the back. I have worked in acrylics, watercolor and pastels but oils are my medium of choice. I have been painting for over 40 years as a hobby and have sold a number of works to private collectors. But just 2 years ago I decided to retire from my day job (Interior and Floral design) and Paint full time. My husband and I built a new home and the first space that I planned was a studio. Anyway I have not painted portrature in about 10 years so this will be interesting. I love to stretch myself. I am usually quite shy and this is a first...trying to copy a master, one of "The" masters.

From what I have seen here so far, there is quite a mix of experience. I'm sure that I will learn a few new tricks and tips from all .And I'm sure that I will enjoy the experience.

Jodi

raison d etre
03-15-2005, 06:56 PM
Well,

I've got a few more hours in.... I've got a long way to go. Your guys are all doing great.

Next, trying to lay in the shadow cast by the hat. Vermeer did such a masterful job. It's so subtle... I hope I can get close I sahould have been adjusting for it all along, but I was so troubled by the lack of detail available. Dave, really good advice, I'm changing my thoughts about this.

bravynn
03-15-2005, 07:13 PM
Raison - Your painting is coming along just fine. *thumbsUp*

Dave & Nora - Looking grand Dave! Your painting, too. ;-) Thank you for the advice. Points stored, and will be used in future paintings. Always ready and willing for helpful tips in progressing. Thanks!

Barbara

dollardays
03-15-2005, 10:46 PM
Hello Everyone,
I am new here. I have been lurking for a little under a week now learning about this site. I have been facinated by this thread in particular...and have decided to join you all in the MOM. >>>>snip
Jodi

Just wanted to say "HEY!", Jodi. The more the merrier. You're very welcome here! :) I know you'll have lots of tips and wisdom with all that painting experience behind you. You are right- we are at all levels here- from people who just started painting, to people who have just started out. And all of us in between- like me- I started about four years ago.

Nora

EDGARB
03-16-2005, 11:17 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2005/30112-ver2send.jpg

I finished the dead layer yesterday. Yeah now on to colors.

This has been a real learning experience for me so far. Any advice would be extremely appreciated.

jo_b
03-16-2005, 01:21 PM
Hi Again All,

I have taken a pic of my WIP, I am going to try to upload it, hopefully the file is not too big. My DH took a peak at it last night, said that it scared him that she looks dead! DUH! I usually don't let people see the progression, only the finished works. So this is VERY different for me. I hope that I can be a helpfull contributor to this forum

Nora, thank you for the warm welcome!

Jodi

Well it seems that the file image is too large...860x1037 so now I have to figure out how to resize it and then try again.

Okay, I think I've got it. Here we go.

rwhiteley
03-16-2005, 02:54 PM
Jodi, great start, I think the drawing is perfect :clap:

It seems Red Hat is getting most of the action, all good. :) However I am really impressed with the efforts on the Milk Maid which seems rather difficult to me.

Heres my latest, I glazed somemore to try to push back the background patterns. No idea what they are but taking Dave's advice, I dont care :evil:

Worked on the face some more, actually measured the upper lip as it seems so short. Still finding it hard to get the face shadows right, at one point I put a thin glaze of Paynes Grey over it followed by cad red. I am sure thats wrong but it did deepen the shadow. On the easel it looks dark enough but comes out lighter in the photo.

Rosic
03-16-2005, 04:00 PM
I tip my hat to everyone! (wish we had a smiley tipping his hat to insert here)
You guys are launching this thread into greatness!!! :clap:

Bernie

DLGardner
03-16-2005, 06:57 PM
Hello again everyone! Incredible work here.
I have been so busy with other things..yes, life goes on...but I just had to put some paint on the canvas today. I really want to do this one. I just love it.

Here's an hours worth of work in its stages. Lots of amending to do and I am sure I am not using Vermeer's technique, but then I would have to paint along side him to do that and of course, he's not here. Well, enough excuses. Here is my start with lotttttttts more to do.

20 X 24

First break
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2005/8002-V1.jpg
Second break
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Mar-2005/8002-V2.jpg

These are close ups. I do have room on the canvas to do the refreshments but I'm focusing on her, and actually the way the light falls in the room. It is so beautiful the way Vermeer captured the light...I hope I can do the same.

Oh well, a poor attempt, but an attempt none the less.
Good to be back.
Dianne

raison d etre
03-16-2005, 07:37 PM
getting closer. I'm going to let this rest. then work on the details and bring up the contrast and the background. Hope I make it by the end of the month!!

Diane this is dreamy Jodi great start tina, rock, carey, r2 lorraine your all so good and so fast,..... I can't keep up with all of this great work. This will be a month that goes into the record books!!!

sbeckett
03-17-2005, 02:05 AM
Another session with Red Hat. Realized after the first session that my source image was cropped on the left side (hadn't read the fine print). My 9X12 is a good match to the stated size but things got stretched out -couldn't figure out these weird drawing errors for 5 hours. The head and hat never will sit quite right.
I'll glaze down the face and background when its safe- should reconcile those cool bits he has by her mouth. Also punch up the hat and some highlights.

Very nice, Dianne and so quick! The face has that faceted look thats so Vermeer -however you did it. The bread and baskets nearly killed me.
-Steve

Rosic
03-17-2005, 08:35 AM
Steve... this is excellent my friend! Sorry about the cropped large version... I never caught from the ARC site until Dave pointed it out. No worries... yours is perfect just as it is.! :clap:

Dianne... I love how you always bring your style into these. You have the Milkmaid looking better than she has for years... :D

Edgar... Looks like we are at about the same stage. My next step is to start the background then work on the maid with the palette Lorraine used. Won't get to paint any till next week... going on a camping trip this weekend. :D

raison d etre... Yours is coming along nicely too... boy I better get busy!

Bernie

DLGardner
03-17-2005, 10:43 AM
Thank you Steve. And yours is simply lovely, and also very Vermeer.
I'm only getting the paint on the canvas. I have to baby sit grandchildren for the next two days so if I get to paint I'll be lucky. I hope to do more Monday of next week. In the mean time I'm just drooling over these lovely entries. What an ambitious lot of artists we are!

Dianne
Another session with Red Hat. Realized after the first session that my source image was cropped on the left side (hadn't read the fine print). My 9X12 is a good match to the stated size but things got stretched out -couldn't figure out these weird drawing errors for 5 hours. The head and hat never will sit quite right.
I'll glaze down the face and background when its safe- should reconcile those cool bits he has by her mouth. Also punch up the hat and some highlights.

Very nice, Dianne and so quick! The face has that faceted look thats so Vermeer -however you did it. The bread and baskets nearly killed me.
-Steve

rosebard
03-17-2005, 01:00 PM
Nice everyones work. Here is my update on the background and some details. I worked a bit on the face. But I stopped when I wasnt getting where I wanted. I will let to dry it thought so I can go back to it again.

jo_b
03-17-2005, 03:29 PM
WOW! :clap:
I can't believe how fast everyone seems to be working. I have been trying to play catch up! But then I am the obsessive type. I worked on "GwtRH" last night laying down the undertones in her flesh and today put in about 5 hours and pretty much finished the face. I learned years ago that in portraiture to always start with the face ( the most important part) get that right and the rest is easy!

Here is my WIP

Jodi

P.S. Steve, she is BEAUTIFUL ( your representation of the original) Very Vermeer!

bjs0704
03-17-2005, 08:35 PM
Dave - Your work is looking really good! Your colors are starting to glow!

I hadn’t ever tried Strasbourg Turpentine, thanks for telling us about it!
You are right, if you do have to keep the details from breaking up the form.



Jodi - You have really done well getting the girl’s expression. Good going!


Barb Solomon :cat:

DLGardner
03-18-2005, 01:30 PM
On my way out the door (as you can tell by the off centeredness of this photo) but thought I'd post my progress. Done in the studio waiting for the kids. Missed the phone call telling me that I had to go pick them up. Wouldn't ya know it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Mar-2005/8002-V4.jpg

Dianne grabbing coat and racing out the door.

bravynn
03-18-2005, 09:07 PM
What great work everyone! Really enjoying perusing through the thread. I worked some on my painting last night, and decided to do the 'real' Vermeer's lady in the red hat. I didn't have a good enough reference to finish the underpainting 'face' I uploaded recently [it was Molly Ringwald, and actress]. I had the Vermeer printed out for reference, and sketched the face out freehand, then began forming the face with paint. Worked on it for a long while today also. I still have a little way to go before I call it finished. Was going to upload it tonight, but my serial port won't acknowledge my digital camera. Funny thing is, it worked this morning. I haven't done anything to the tempermental computer. *shrug* Anyone have any ideas, please let me know.

Barbara

bjs0704
03-18-2005, 11:05 PM
Diane - I love how you caught the light in your version of Vermeer! It has a nice old fashion fairy tale quality to it!

Barbara - Thanks for stopping by and giving us encouragement!

Barb Solomon :cat:

DLGardner
03-18-2005, 11:23 PM
Thank you Barb.

Barbara, I don't know what kind of digital software you have but I do know that if my jpeg files get too numerous, my computer refuses to read anymore. I have to go into my files and delete some before I can upload anymore. Files off the camera are pretty large, so if you are saving them as is, then that may be the problem. Maybe not. I just know for me it was.

Hope that helps. Would love to see how you are coming.


Dianne

rosebard
03-19-2005, 12:32 AM
Hi everyone,

Just stopped by to look at the works done so far. Mine is still driying. Maybe tomorrow it is ok.

Jody you done well on her face, especially the skin tone.

I messed up with mine so much with the colors that looks kind of grey tone not flesh tone.

Diane yours is coming along nicely too.

Told the girl with the red hat would be easier than that one but now I am not sure. Have to try the other woman sometime to figure out. :D :D :D

:wave:

Squib
03-19-2005, 09:30 AM
Hi All :wave:

Gosh, I can't keep up with this thread !! I'll work my way backwards to comment on everyone's work.

Dianne - I love your work. You have a quality all your own - evrything you do seems to have your special stamp on it. :clap:

Hi Jodi - nice to meet you. So glad you are joining in. Excellent work. She is coming along beautifully.

Rose - looking great - the fabric is really well done.

Steve - exquisite - what can I say. Amazing !!!!!!

ReNae - so lovely. I love the dark under the hat.

Richard II - gorgeous !! That hat !!!

Edgar - have you started your colour layer ???

Nickel - lovely start.

Dave - excellent. Where do we get the strasbourg turpentine ? I'd like to try it. (Psst - I miss Richard I).

Barb S - nice drawing !! (We have 2 Barb's now :) ).

Here is where I am at the moment. I worked on her during the week, and an hour just now. I'm finding that I am fiddling - with not much progress - so maybe it's time to call her done. I'll let her sit for a week or so and then have another look and try to get a decent photo. Don't know what this photo is going to look like. I'll comment on it after I've uploaded it.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Mar-2005/35948-mm4.JPG

Terrible photo !!!!! Too light.

DLGardner
03-19-2005, 10:01 AM
Very lovely Lorraine! How big is yours. You've caught her age well. I think I took some years off the woman but I'm not done yet, although I like her young. Excellent job on the bread. I have yet to do that. Very very nice. And thanks for your comments on mine.

Bard, thank you. I may try the lady in the red hat next although I'll tell you right now it will be mostly dark because my monitor is so poor I can't see anything else but the brim of her had and her lips. I'm amazed at how much other detail everyone is getting. Maybe I need to find a real photo of it.

Good job everyone.

Dianne

rosebard
03-19-2005, 11:55 AM
Squib Thanks. Yours is looking great. The details of table are superb.

Diane, I took the reference photo and went to photo editor from microsoft and made it lighter. I dont know how the real one suppose to look, what degree of light or shadow. But that worked for me. If maybe you try to light it up, will help.

I went to hospital today. I have pneunomia. So, I dont know if I will able to paint much today. KInd of tired. Yesterday I had to sections of about few hours each to paint my daughter's portrait. The evening section I stopped at 1 AM. But I want to finish that lady with pretty hat. Maybe latter. Who knows!!

Keep up everybody. Very good work!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
:wave: :D

Squib
03-19-2005, 01:35 PM
Oh Rose - please look after yourself. What are you doing painting so late when you are ill ??????????? Rest, rest, rest - and no fumes. Hope you feel better soon.

rosebard
03-19-2005, 01:42 PM
Thanks Squib. I dont know what fumes means. But just for the record, I dont smoke. I dont know where I could get pneumonia from. Weird. I am very strong, and I just cant keep still. I am getting off the computer soon. And going to lye down for while. Dont think I can paint today. :( :( :(

Maybe monday I feel better to give another go on her face. I cant stay long without painting. I may just read a book in the mean time, then!!

Thanks again.

bjs0704
03-19-2005, 02:20 PM
Rose - It will be good to see how your “Girl in a Red Hat”. I haven’t had that much experience with this, but I think that there may be ways to brighten up the skin tones.


Thanks Lorraine! Your painting is looking wonderful! The table still life is looking really good!
Your colors are beautiful!

Rose - I am sorry to hear that you got sick! Take care of yourself!

The odors from the turpentine/mineral spirits often bother people. While you aren’t feeling good, be particularly careful of the odors from your mineral spirits! I hope that you get well soon!

Barb Solomon :cat:

bjs0704
03-19-2005, 04:48 PM
Here's my latest update! The poor painting is still going through an ugly duckling stage. I seem to have gotten the hairline a bit too harsh!

Barb Solomon

jo_b
03-19-2005, 06:06 PM
Hi All,

Been hard at work on this project...not used to copying someone elses work. It has definitely been a challenge to get it as close to Vermeer's as possible but very enjoyable. Diane and Lorraine, your paintings are really beautiful. Diane, your background has the look of stained glass! I may just have to try that painting on my own later just for the fun of it. Rose so sorry to here that you are sick. Take care of yourself pneumonia is pretty serious stuff.

Well, I have done ALOT of tweeking to "The Girls" face (she looked asian) and I don't think that that is who Vermeer was painting. I am now almost finished with the piece, just detail work left. I'm not sure if I am going to leave it "light" or put on a dark glaze so it looks more like the photo from the net. My feeling is that it was probably much brighter when Vermeer painted it and has darkend over the last 300 + years from polution etc.

Here is a post of where it stands.
What is everyone else doing that is painting the "Girl in the Red Hat"; Dark or light? :confused:

She is far from perfection/ Vermeer, but for the first portrait that I've done 10 years, I guess she'll do. Thank G_d that it isn't for a client!

bjs0704
03-19-2005, 08:02 PM
jo_b - I think that the change of pace is what I like about master copies! It really is a different type of painting from doing your own pieces! It’s like a puzzle!

You really did well with getting the hat! I love the way it glows! The blue folds of her dress also look very nice! Her face looks good and I like her expression.

I thought that the direction of light is really interesting in this painting. Her eyes are shaded and her hat is blazing. There was such a bright light on the bottom of her face starting with the tip of her nose.

Barb Solomon :cat:

bravynn
03-19-2005, 09:03 PM
Dianne - Thank you for the suggestion. I removed the graphics, and the computer thumbed it's nose at me. Meaning, it didn't work for me. I appreciate the help though.

Dianne, Lorraine, Jodi, & Barb - I love the colors on your paintings. They're coming along wonderfully.

Everyone - My gal definitely looks Asian. I also added a bit more yellow then usual to the skin tone, though it barely noticeable. I didn't want the shadows too dark on the face like Vermeer's reference pic. I saw a painting recently where the shadows were too dark, and it made the woman look like she had a beard. On the red hat shadow part, I places a few muted grays. Almost near the point of mud. :eek: I keep my brushes clean. I've learned to stop painting when I'm too tired.
I believe I'll try to glaze over the shadow part, or something. Orrrr...I might show you the near mess I've made, and maybe you all can give me some suggestions. ;)

I'm not touching the face anymore. It looks fine the way it is.

Rose - Please get plenty of rest, and take all of your antibiotics. Having pneumonia IS very serious. As for the darkness of the face... if you can't 'turp' it off, and the face is dry, paint just enough covering over the face with white [not too thick or it will take forever to dry], then you can do your lighter skin tones. It worked for me when the face was too dark to suit me on my painting.

Will upload my painting as soon as I figure something out about the port / camera. grr

Barbara :)

rwhiteley
03-22-2005, 09:05 AM
Finally got to the Milkmaid, but I did it small 12x10, using guache on paper as I was gallery sitting in my co-op. Strangely it did seem easier to get all the detail down this way with smaller brushes and more liquid Guache.
Earlier I also did the Girl with the Pearl Earing, because I really like it, and posted it on that painting project forum.
Heres my final[for now] Milkmaid.

This has been a great master month, super work every one. :clap: :clap:

Richard 2

Rosic
03-22-2005, 10:13 AM
Dang... I go away for a long weekend and looks like I'll play catch-up for a week. Everyone's work is looking great. This thread is growing quick!... A good and even assortment of milkmaids and red hat ladies... :D

Bravo everyone! :clap:

Bernie

Squib
03-22-2005, 11:19 AM
Thanks for all the nice comments folk !! You all like my table still life - I think it's the best part of the painting ! I may just saw the board up and present it as a still life :D . On looking at my Milkmaid for a few days, she is NOT finished. Her face needs one more going over ! GRRRRR!!!! :mad:

Jodi - her skin looks like porcelain. Excellent !
Barb - looking good.
Richard - you amaze me. What a good painting !
Yes Bernie - you have some catching up to do :D .

Have I missed anyone ? Oh, Rose, I hope you are resting, and starting to feel better. Back later.

bjs0704
03-22-2005, 12:11 PM
Richard2- Your Milkmaid is beautiful! Very well done! You really caught the lighting which is one of the things that I love so much about the original Vermeer!

Bernie - It’s good to see that you are back!

I have been finishing up the background and her clothing. I haven’t touched her white blouse or her face.

Barb Solomon

jo_b
03-22-2005, 01:03 PM
Hi Everyone, :wave:

Barbara- Did you ever figure out your camera/computer problem? Would love to see how your painting is coming. :confused:

Richard2- Great Job, love the lighting! :D

Barb S- Good start, there is so much detail in your dead layer. Can't wait to see the finished work :)

Bernie- Hurry Up Slow Poke : :evil: :D Just Kidding

Lorraine- Does anyone ever really get it "perfect" :confused: I'll bet even the Masters themselves looked at their work and saw "flaws"

What Happened to all the others that were doing their MOMS? :confused:

Well, I have formally finished...I always know when I am actually done with a piece when I just start fiddling. Here it is. On to the next MOM, Rembrant right?

Jodi

bjs0704
03-22-2005, 04:07 PM
Jodi - Good going! You really got her expression and the coloring of the painting! :clap: :clap: :clap:

If you want to warm up for the Rembrandt MOM next month, read my "Analyze This"thread on Rembrandt in the Classical Forum. (Check my link below!)

Barb Solomon :cat:

bravynn
03-22-2005, 04:20 PM
Hi Jodi, everyone...
I had to borrow my husband's computer to upload my picture. My camera works on his but not mine. grr! :) I'll fix it eventually. Anywayyyyy...here is my painting so far. You can see the shadows on her face better in person. I could go darker, but I might muck it up. :wink2: It's a bit lighter on this computer. I can't see good anyway. :rolleyes: Those muted grays I placed on the hat shadow looked better after I glazed it with rose madder. Thank you all for looking. I could do much more with this, and I still have part of the month remaining. This was such a learning experience for me, and fun....when it's going good. :D At least I didn't want to shred 'this one'. LOL Can't wait to see everyone elses paintings. Jodi, yours looks great! My painting below:

Rose, hope you're getting better!!

Barbara

DLGardner
03-22-2005, 04:21 PM
Jodi, its beautiful!

Richard 2. Nice gouache painting. Will you be using oils also?

Worked some more on mine. Not done yet-slow process now that spring is around the corner I don't have as much time to paint.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2005/8002-V5.jpg

Dianne

bravynn
03-22-2005, 05:02 PM
My goodness! I took a lousy pic. Too much light! Will try to get a better one next time, and I'll wear my glasses. 8-/ :p She really does look better in person. I'm a bit disappointed I didn't take a better pic of it. Okay, I'm over it now, since I whined. :D

:clap: Great progress you ladies, & Richard.

I need to take a look at the Rembrandt, too. I'll be gone on a trip to AZ, and Las Vegas next month for four days, but will try painting with you all.

Barbara :cat:

Rosic
03-22-2005, 08:44 PM
Bernie- Hurry Up Slow Poke : :evil: :D Just Kidding

Jodi
Jodi... you've got me figured out! :D
Yours looks great!

Dianne... I love the more youthful look of your milkmaid. She (and your painting) looks GREAT!

Barb & Barbara... Got those Red Hat Ladies coming along nicely! :clap:

Well... I survived the Battle of Bentonville and the weekend... :D
Even got to paint a little today. :clap:

Started working in the background.

Palette so far consists of...
raw umber, burnt umber, titanium white, sap green, paynes gray, naples yellow, and ivory black.

I'm using Liquin as my mixing medium.

Thanks for bearing with me!
Bern

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2005/17108-mom153.JPG


Here's a picture of me and my son, Dylan, from this past weekend.
He is the drummer boy for our Civil War reenacting regiment.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Mar-2005/17108-b12.JPG

rwhiteley
03-22-2005, 09:08 PM
Thanks for nice comments about my milk maid.
Diane, the reason I went with guache was because I was doing it in our co-op gallery and did not want to create fumes. Also I find it easier when I am painting small. 12x10 in this case. I dont think I will do an oil now. I will mount it on board and glaze with clear acrylic.
R2

DLGardner
03-22-2005, 10:11 PM
R2, oh I understand completely. There are definately times and places when oils are not appropriate! You have done a beautiful job with this. I would love to see your oil version if you should decide. You have much skill!

Bernie I love your costumes! Congratulations on your son's drumming. That must have been quite an honor for him. That photo would be a great one to paint! (hint) Maybe we could all take a shot at it. Your milkmaid is coming along great.

Sorry I also took a lousy photo of my painting.

EDGARB
03-23-2005, 11:07 AM
It is great to see all the differences as a variety of the same picture. But all the red hats are red and the milkmaid is wearing yellow in them all.

Jodi, Barb, Barbara and Rose great Red Hats.

Bern, Dianne , Lorraine and Richard it is fun and helpful to see these portrayels of the same picture I am doing.

I haven't worked on it for a few days (I needed to work on other paintings i am in the middle of) I cannot post anything anyway right now because I have to use my brother in Laws camera to do this and I feel I should let him use it 3-4 days a month :D

rosebard
03-23-2005, 09:23 PM
HI

Just stopped by to say I am starting to feel much better. Thanks Barbara, Squib, Barb and all the rest of you for beeing concerned. And tomorrow I can have a go on my lady's face.

Thanks Edgarb for the appreciation of my Red Hat.

Bernie I agree with all that diane said about your costume photo. Maybe it is good to have a shot. YOur milk maid is coming along really nice.

Diane, yours look yonger but nice also.

Barbara nice how you worked the detais of the bg. Your version of her face looks nice also.

Jodi you got real close to likeness. Good job.

Barb, you and bernie must been busy lately. Looking forward to see your paintings.

R2, that is really nice.

xaenee
03-24-2005, 02:39 PM
Hi everyone. I know I am a bit late getting started, but I really wanted to join in on this project. I am a little nervous about it because I don't know where to begin. It has been a year since I picked up a paintbrush (or posted for that matter) and I am afraid I have forgotten how. Anyway, here is what I have gotten so far (please excuse the lines, I left the blinds down).

Samantha

bravynn
03-24-2005, 04:55 PM
Rose...hi there! Glad you're feeling better!

Samantha, welcome...glad you're joining in with us. Great start! The blinds make it interesting. ;-)

Nickel..you did a good job on your painting. It's been many years since I've had to do the Easter Egg Hunt thing. lol Have fun! The parts I miss about holidays like that is watching the children's faces, and experiencing their excitement.

I worked more on my painting today. Tried to place more shadows on her face, and changed a couple of other things that I'll have to change back since it doesn't look like the face on my last posted painting. No biggie! I'll fix it. Then, I'll finish up her jacket and the lion carvings on the chair. Thank you for looking!

:wave: Bernie, glad you're back. I really like that picture you shared of you and your son. Dianne is right, that would make a great painting. I would have to blow it up bigger so I could see it though. :D

Thank you for the nice comments on my painting everyone!

Barbara

Rosic
03-24-2005, 06:47 PM
Hi everyone. I know I am a bit late getting started, but I really wanted to join in on this project. I am a little nervous about it because I don't know where to begin. It has been a year since I picked up a paintbrush (or posted for that matter) and I am afraid I have forgotten how.

We're here to help Samantha... no worries. You are off to a great start.





Anyway, here is what I have gotten so far (please excuse the lines, I left the blinds down).
Samantha
At first I was scared you did this on notebook paper... :D


Edgar... looking forward to seeing your progress.

Rose... glad you are feeling better.

Nickel... Have fun using your creative art skills on those Easter eggs... :D

Barbara... Thanks... looking good!

Bern

Biki
03-25-2005, 01:36 AM
What a fabulous time you have all been having.
Everyone has done a super job. :clap: :clap: :clap:

I wish i had joined you. :(

However, you have inspired me to say the least - to give next month a shot.

:wave:

Samantha, - Welcome. Donna be nervous. It is obvious you can draw - i bet you can also paint well. I look forward to seeing your efforts. :wave:

jo_b
03-25-2005, 11:40 AM
Hi Everyone,

Glad to see all the posts of everone's work :clap: GREAT JOBS ALL!!!
Such vivid use of color.

Rose, glad to see that you're feeling better. Can't wait to see your next post of your WIP.

Samatha- :wave: Welcome. There are alot of us in here, we're having a Party :D

I know that I can't respond to everyone in here personally, I can't remember everyone's name, but, Thank You All very much for the compliments on my painting. You have all made me feel VERY welcome. What a great Channel :clap: :clap: :clap: I love being able to talk and work with other artists, especially when they are Nice too. This business tends to be a little isolating at times. This is a nice change.

I am definitely going to be here alot!

Thanks Again'
Jodi

xaenee
03-25-2005, 09:19 PM
Thanks guys! I will post progress pics. I just wanted to say that I love watching everyone else's work progress. I will try not to be so shy and comment more.

Samantha

bjs0704
03-27-2005, 03:35 PM
Jodi - Thanks for the encouragement!

Barbara - Good work! I love the way that you did the highlights on her face! The colors in the hat are lovely! :clap: :clap:

Diane - Your Mom is looking really lovely! I love your choice of colors! The lighting is looking excellent! :cool: :cool:

Bernie - Thanks for the kind thoughts!

The photo of you and your son is fantastic! It’s great to hear that you made it back after “The Battle of Bentonville”! That photo would make a great painting!

I like your choice of colors for the underpainting. :cool:

Rocky - Thanks for the kind words! Good luck with the rest of your paintings!

Rose - It’s good to hear that you are feeling better!:angel:

Nickel - Oh that would be fun! I hope that you enjoy the easter egg hunt!

I love the old fashioned, romantic quality that your MOM has! The colors are lovely! It’s absolutely beautiful!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Samantha - You are really off to a good start! The basic drawing is really good! (Sometimes, I feel like that is the biggest part of the job!) It’s great to hear that you are giving this painting a try! :cool: Hang in there! :angel:

Biki - It’s good to hear from you! (I’m the guide for the Rembrandt MOM! So I hope that you do join in!)

bjs0704
03-27-2005, 03:40 PM
This is how far I have gotten with my "Girl in a Red Hat".

I would appreciate any comments.

Barb Solomon :cat:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Mar-2005/11410-vermeer4.jpg

Nickel
03-28-2005, 12:11 AM
Hello Vermeer painters! Hope all of you had a pleasant weekend. The Easter egg hunt was a lot of fun.

Rose it is good to hear you are feeling better. I hope your health continues to improve for you.

Hi Samantha, it is nice to have you join in the master exercises. I hope you have much fun painting Vermeer’s Milkmaid.

Thank you, Barbara, for the nice compliment on my Red Hat. Your Red Hat girl is glowing. Your likeness to Vermeer’s girl is very good. I look forward to seeing her completed.

Bern, you have a unique photo of you and your son. What a wonderful memory for you both. I am looking forward to seeing your MM in color. How have your fabric studies helped you in painting her? By the way that is a really super cool informative thread.

Biki, I look forward to seeing your master’s painting in April. Your paintings are very enjoyable to view.

Hi Barb, thank you for the kind words on my Red Hat. You made me smile about the old fashion romantic style. Thank you very much for the smile. Your Red Hat girl, she is starting to look as if she will speak at any moment.

Jodi, it was nice to meet you this month. You Red Hat girl, She turned out beautifully. Glad you had fun. I look forward to seeing more of your work.


Nickel

DLGardner
03-28-2005, 06:51 PM
Barb, your red hat girl is looking lovely! Can't wait to see the color version.

We are almost finished with March so I took time to finish this one and I am happy I did! Yahoo! another project completed (had my doubts for awhile).You must know the feeling!

Sorry if you got notice of this post more than once. I had to keep editing because of a lousy photographer (me) Dianne

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Mar-2005/8002-V6.jpg

rosebard
03-28-2005, 10:17 PM
Hi Everyone,

Health continues to improve. Slow but what can I do? One more week on antibiotics. Cant stand anymore tablets.

Now my Vermeer is The red hat girl without a face. :( :eek:
My problem comes when need to put shadow tone. I am lost on this girl face. I think I ruined it. Anyway....

Diane, your MM is lovely as usual.
Barb to me it looks great. Love to see the next stage of it.

Welcome samantha. Are you planning to take the milkmaid? The drawing is good.

Barbara and Nickel!! :clap: Well done!

:wave:

sbeckett
03-29-2005, 10:32 AM
Very nice Diane. The face is just right!
This doesn't show much for the hours spent since the last post. Mostly improper glazing techniques in the background -it went sloppy like my Turner.
Maybe more lighter layers wouldn't have obscured the detail so much but I just couldn't control it even by wiping back (walnut & alkyd). Will definitely do another Vermeer.
-Steve

jo_b
03-29-2005, 10:55 AM
Steve,

All I Can Say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Jodi

rosebard
03-29-2005, 11:03 AM
Wow, Steve! :clap: :clap: :clap:

The likeness is really close. Beautiful Vermeer!

EDGARB
03-29-2005, 12:20 PM
I borrowed my brotherinlaws camera and got photo. Now I have to return it real fast.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Mar-2005/30112-sendvermeer1.jpg

bjs0704
03-29-2005, 03:11 PM
Nickel - Thanks so much for the kind words! At this point, I am not sure if I am going to get my Red Hat Girl done by the end of the month! But I am going to have to make sure that I take my time and finish the job right!

Dianne - I love the way your colors look! It really adds to the atmosphere! :You’ve really made it your own!

Rose - I am glad to hear you are feeling better! I know that it can be hard when you are recupperating! Best wishes to you!

Have you added color yet? Are you on the underpainting? There may still be ways to fix up any mistakes that are on the face! (You ought to have seen the nose and mouth on mine while I was working on it!)

Steve - Your colors are gorgeous! She is looking so lovely!

Rocky - Your underpainting is gorgeous and the colors are starting to look beautiful! Your painting is going to look beautiful when it is done!

Barb Solomon :cat:

Nickel
03-29-2005, 05:00 PM
I came upon a picture of Norman Rockwell's studio and hope you enjoy looking around his space. On his studio wall is a few inspirational Masters including Vermeer's MilkMaid. A copy of Rembrandt's self-portrait hangs above the mantle.



Here is a quote about the Masters from Rockwell:

The greatest artists were also great story tellers. The pictures of Raphael, Reubens and Michelangelo, for example, are not only great paintings, but visualizations of stories that have a universal appeal. The Last Supper is the most dramatic story-picture ever painted. Or take Rembrandt-it was his love of humanity that made him great.



Dianne, your Milkmaid is lovely. I keep trying to look outside through the window because the light is enchanting.

Steve, your Red Hat Girl ROCKS! I know I also had trouble with the glazes becoming dark. Please show your next Vermeer. You have a real talent to show his subject in an interesting way.

Rocky, I hear your brother-in-law yelling for his camera all the way up in North Carolina. LOL, just kidding you. I like the blues I am seeing. Look forward to the next update.

Barb, don't rush. We will still be here. I think I read he took three months/ or longer? to paint her.

Squib
03-29-2005, 05:57 PM
Wonderful work everyone !!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: I will comment in more detail when I have some time. Well done all.

bjs0704
03-29-2005, 11:57 PM
Nickle - That’s a great photo! It’s interesting to see who Old Norm considered his “heroes”!

Thanks, I am trying my best to take my time! I have the first of my glazes done!

Lorraine -Thanks!

Barb Solomon :cat:

bravynn
03-30-2005, 02:05 PM
Hi everyone...I got my camera working again...after buying an adapter to be able to use 'usb' instead of a serial port. *sigh of relief*

Nickel-Thank you! hmmm...glowing huh, how did I do dat??? ;) ...so I can repeat it again. :)

Barb-Thanks for your very nice comment. Your lady's face in your underpainting looks more like the RHL then mine...and you're doing a wonderful job of it, too. I'm redoing the RHL's face ... AGAIN. hehe gotta get it right!

Jodi-Your painting turned out great! *thumbsUp*

Rose-I'm here with you as long as it takes me to get a closer resemblance of the RHL. I don't care how many times I have to adjust it. I'm one determined lil cuss! [I'm keeping perfectionism out of it..especially there isn't anything 'perfect' anyway. haha] Some of the members here have come as close to perfect as they could though. Thank you for your much appreciated comments lovey.

which brings me to ---

Steve-Your painting IS FABULOUS Steve!! I want to paint like you and Diane when I 'grow' more in oil painting, of course, with my original style, when I ever realize it shows up. A bit too early for that right now for me. I'm learning the 'mechanics/techniques' right now.

Dianne-Your painting turned out beautiful!! I always 'watch' you and your work. Compliments to you my dear!

Lorraine-Thank you! *smiling* I saw your self-portrait recently, it looked marvelous. I appreciate your talent, and your suggestions if you ever have any for me.

EdgarB-Great going on your WIP! :)

Can't wait to see everyone's progress as we go along. I'm a bit busy right now with other life's mundane routine tasks, but I will try to get another WIP progress before I leave on my trip April 6th.

:clap: :clap: Applause for everyone!

I'll be okay with my painting if the face doesn't end up like the picture below. :D

Barbara

bjs0704
03-30-2005, 11:11 PM
Barbara - LOL! Now, that's a great ape! I like your determination to do this painting right! Good going!

That for the kind thoughts! I have been struggling today with glazing the skin tones! I was curious about the colors that some of the others used for the skin. I usually use a combination of yellow ochre, red ochre and flake white.

Barb Solomon :cat:

bravynn
03-31-2005, 12:37 AM
I thought the ape was cute, too. :evil:

Barb, I was and will be using the following colors:

CL = Cad Lemon
AC = Alizarin Crimson
CS = Cad Scarlet
PG = Phathlo Green
PR = Permanent Rose
TW = Tit White
UB = Ultramarine Blue [french]
UV = Ultramarine Violet

make a 'base' pile consisting of:
CS+CL+TW+UB [Looks like mid-tone flesh..(ocherish), probably not a real word, but you probably understand that]. Then add other colors to create shadows, lights, and temperatures in the following.

Cool Light
add following colors to base:
first cool light -- PG+CL+TW
second cool light -- PG+CL+AC

Warm Shadow
add following colors to base:
PG+CL+PR+TW
second warm shadow --- CS+PG

Warm Light
add following colors to base:

CS+CL

second one is-- CL

Cool Shadow

add following colors to base:

UB+TW

second one is -- AC+UV

~~~

I used vermillion and white for lips...and maybe a smidge of cad orange to give it a bit of pizazz in the light areas...not much!

Just an option.

Gotta run, severe thunderstorm on it's way!

Barbara

jo_b
03-31-2005, 10:00 AM
Hi All, :wave:

Barb, it depends on the "look" that you want her to have.
I f you are still on the dead layer, I scumbled terre verte,mixed with a tiny bit of medium (1/2 linseed oil 1/2 liquin) on all the shadow areas. Then let that dry.Over that I used a mix of titanium white, yellow ocher, transparent red ocher, and quinacridone red (instead of vermillion), in varying degrees. After that is dry then I went back over the most areas with another scumbled thin layer of the quinacridone red and trans. red ocher, no medium. blend each layer so that you cannot see wher one color stops and another begins. Finally, add highlights as needed.
All my paints are Windsor and Newton. I prefer the quinacridone red instead of cad red, it is more transparent.

I tried to "copy" Vermeer's style and color pallette as closely as possible.
Hope that that helps.

Jodi

bjs0704
03-31-2005, 12:50 PM
Barbara - Those are really good recipes. You use a similar approach to what I use, I start with a base and change to color to suit the light.

Jodi - Thanks for your recommendations. I started to give her color, but I am going to need to adjust it some more. I also try to make as close a copy as I can. Sometimes, I will use modern substitutes for older pigments.

I am going to have to play with the combinations that both of you have given me.

Barb Solomon :cat:

Rosic
03-31-2005, 01:09 PM
What a month! :clap:
Of couse I (like many others) will be doing the extended session seeing I'm far from finished... :eek: :D

Great work everyone... I have enjoyed the comraderie so much. :wave:

Bern

EDGARB
04-01-2005, 10:59 AM
The month has ended but my painting hasn't. Now - Do I continue to post or just finish it and ???


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Apr-2005/30112-sendvermeer2.jpg

bjs0704
04-01-2005, 11:11 AM
Rocky - I am going to keep posting until I finish my RHG! So if you need to keep going, let us see your progress!

By the way, I have the Rembrandt MOM up and running. So stop and say "Hi!" I figure that I am going to start drawing out my April MOM while my March MOM is drying between coats! :D

Barb Solomon :cat:

EDGARB
04-04-2005, 10:25 AM
I aam further along and am posting this. If no one is posting on this any more it seems futile for me to continue.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2005/30112-sendvermeer3.jpg

This is a lot bluer than my piainting

DLGardner
04-04-2005, 10:45 AM
Rocky, just keep posting. We all are still subscribed and get the email that tells us about new posts. Your work is very vibant and alive! You're doing a great job and I'm sure there are more people watching its progress than there are posting. Thanks for sharing it!

Dianne

Nickel
04-04-2005, 11:09 AM
Rocky I am still watching for your post. I like the detail you have accomplished. I like the window detail, you have put a lot of work into this project.

Barb, how is the glazing going?


Best Nickel

raison d etre
04-04-2005, 06:11 PM
Me Tooo April 4th and I'm almost finished, but my daughter took my digital camera back to college to use for something. I've got a feeling this is one of those gifts I didn't know I was giving!!! I'm going to shop for an upgrade, and post my finished piece at that time so don't give up. You guys keep posting til you done too.

By the way, this was a great month!!! everyone soared.

Not sure if I'm ready for Rembrant? :rolleyes:

jo_b
04-04-2005, 07:56 PM
Hey Rocky :wave:
Please keep going, your painting is really beautiful! I love the rich colors. The drape of the fabrics are fantastic. :clap:

Raison- Good to see you're still at it too. Can't wait to see your progress.

Barb- How's your girl?

We're still here, watching and reading.

Jodi

Rosic
04-04-2005, 10:27 PM
I aam further along and am posting this. If no one is posting on this any more it seems futile for me to continue.

Hang in there Rocky and bear with me... I'm planning on finishing mine... just need to finish two more to get ready for an upcoming art show... :D

Your is looking great!

Bern

bjs0704
04-04-2005, 10:43 PM
Rocky - I hope that you keep posting! Your painting looks great! Everything is looking really good, particularly the lady’s dress and the pitcher. You really got the sense of liquid pouring out of the pitcher!

Diane - That’s true! I always read the posts from the last MOM!

Nickel - I am close to finished! I am going to try getting a photo of it tonight! I will post it tonight or tomorrow morning!

raison d etre - I am doing the Rembrandt MOM! I hope that you give it a try or you can just cheer us on!

Jodi - I am close, it’s a little tricky doing 2 MOMs at once!

Barb Solomon :cat:

bjs0704
04-05-2005, 10:42 AM
Ok, I think that I am finished with my Vermeer. I will still be watching everyone else's progress. Keep up the good work!

There are a couple of details in the face that I may touch up.

Barb Solomon:cat:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2005/11410-Vermeer6.jpg

rosebard
04-05-2005, 05:40 PM
Hi guys some of you still working and others already finished (Nicely done Barb). For myself, I decided to burry my Vermeer! :D It is really no point to go over it or trying to fix. I rather just keep that on my painting box, where I keep my studies and then leave it as reference to see how bad I did and how much better it is going to turn in the future, when i try that one again. And sure I will! :envy: It is better for you guys keep the last post I did in your mind, instead of the one now. It is like someone dyes and we prefer to remember and they were alive.

By the way, Starting to get back to my drawing routine. Soon I will be back to the easel. But I am taking easy still. The lady I hired to care for the house decided she will fix the mess around and plus ME. She is a nice woman, I am very blessed. Kids like her too.

The most difficult thing I found with that Vermeer was her eyes expression. Dont know, something about it that I cant quite transfer to my painting.
Did any one of you had the same problem to paint her eyes?

This time I prepared a stretched canvas with 2 layers of gesso to get a smooth surface. I am planning to paint the Girl with the pearl earing, just to get back to Vermeer's technique. My aim is to paint like the master from the classic age.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Thanks everyone for the support through this great experience.

Rosic
04-05-2005, 07:27 PM
Barb... :clap: :clap: :clap:
I can really appreciate those fabric folds after practicing so much myself. :wink2:
Bern

EDGARB
04-05-2005, 10:44 PM
Barb Your lady in red hat looks good. I like the folds in the shirt - probably because I enjoy doing them.

I am happy that this is still active, especially since I am so slow I want to do the rembrandt next. I figure if I keep doing these every month I will be on June by december. This could be a new way to slow aging.

Again I can't post fora few days my broinlaw came over yesterday and demanded I let him use his camera again - oh well I'll go get it back in 2-3 days.

bjs0704
04-05-2005, 11:05 PM
Rocky - Thanks for the kind words about my Vermeer lady!

Don't worry too much - I am looking forward to seeing how your painting is going when you are ready.

Thanks again!

Barb Solomon :cat:

Rosic
04-06-2005, 10:45 AM
I am happy that this is still active, especially since I am so slow I want to do the rembrandt next. I figure if I keep doing these every month I will be on June by december. This could be a new way to slow aging.

I know the feeling Rocky... :D
No worries... There are no time limits on any of the MOM's.
Many are still working on 2004 projects.
I'm still here with you as are many others... :wink2:
Bern

Nickel
04-07-2005, 12:56 AM
It is better for you guys keep the last post I did in your mind, instead of the one now. It is like someone dyes and we prefer to remember and they were alive.



Hey Rose, Nicely worded, I have this happen to many of my paintings. Will remember her fondly. :) Nickel

Nickel
04-07-2005, 12:58 AM
... just need to finish two more to get ready for an upcoming art show... :D

Bern

Good luck at the show! :)

Nickel
04-07-2005, 01:00 AM
Ok, I think that I am finished with my Vermeer. I will still be watching everyone else's progress. Keep up the good work!

Barb Solomon:cat:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Apr-2005/11410-Vermeer6.jpg


Barb, great job with the glazes! The lights and darks look beautiful. Your lady has a nice solid form just like Vermeer’s ladies. She looks to me very real and like she could speak at any moment! Best Nickel

bjs0704
04-07-2005, 10:03 AM
Thanks Nickel!

Barb Solomon :cat:

guillot
04-08-2005, 11:00 AM
Hi everyone,

So great to see everyone's renditions of these fantastic Vermeer choices.

I've been taking a long break from WC! in an effort to relieve quite a bit of added stress in my life. My husband just came home from Korea, FINALLY after a year long tour, so that's another huge stress reliever!

I'm almost finished with my lady in the red hat and will most likely be posting the completed version this weekend. Just wanted to drop in and say hello to everyone and applaud all of those wonderful finished works so far !!

Tina

bjs0704
04-08-2005, 09:46 PM
Tina - It’s good to see that you are back! I’m glad to hear that your husband is back!

I am dying to see your Vermeer Girl! I am really looking forward to your posting your painting!

Thanks for stopping by!

Barb Solomon :cat:

rosebard
04-08-2005, 10:58 PM
I am really happy to hear that your hubby is back. Hope you feel better. I know what it is to ]be apart. My hubby is working in London 1 year and 2 months now. Coming back in June.

Take Care,

:wave:

guillot
04-09-2005, 01:28 PM
Thanks Barb

Rose - I hope your husband comes home soon. I know it's hard !!

Here's an update - almost finished. Still have some tweaking to do.

Tina

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2005/5957-color1a.jpg

Rosic
04-09-2005, 02:34 PM
WOW Tina! This looks great! :clap:
B

bjs0704
04-09-2005, 03:50 PM
Tina - Your Red hat lady looks wonderful! Good job! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Barb Solomon :cat:

guillot
04-09-2005, 07:17 PM
Thanks Bernie and Barb. I think I'm just going to leave it as is and call it done at this point. Still needs a shadow glaze, but can always do that another time or something if I feel like it.

Thanks for the support,
Tina

jo_b
04-09-2005, 07:38 PM
Great Job Tina!
I love how vibrant the colors are. :clap:

Jodi

*Deirdre*
04-09-2005, 11:29 PM
I've had a go at doing the Vemeer...hope you don't mind that it's late and the paint is still wet!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Apr-2005/33616-girlredhat.jpg

bjs0704
04-10-2005, 12:10 AM
Deirdre - It's good to see you! :wave:

You did a great job! Your use of light is beautiful! There are some places in the shadow area of her face that are going a bit flat!

Still, all in all, she is lovely!:clap: :clap:

Thanks, for posting!

Barb Solomon :cat:

*Deirdre*
04-10-2005, 10:17 AM
Thanks Barbara...I think it needs some glazing when it's dry? :(

guillot
04-10-2005, 11:48 AM
Hi deepat - great job !! I think glazes are the easy part :)

Jodi - thanks. Don't know why it's showing up so yellow on the left side (viewers) of her face - it's not like that at all. Will have to increase the depth of the shadows when it's dry enough to do so with a glaze. I think I had the most fun with the hat!

Tina

raison d etre
04-10-2005, 04:47 PM
I tried all day to get the light right to photo this. it's still chaulky, but here you go I think alonther session will do it. I've got to bring up the contrast and shadows and I'm calling it a day. Good to have my camera back.

bjs0704
04-10-2005, 04:55 PM
Deirdre - It would probably be easy to add a bit of glaze here and there to touch up the form. It may not be what is called a glaze, but I thinned a light flesh tone with my glazing medium and added it in some parts. In other places, I added a bit of burnt umber to the skin tones for shadow and glazed it on.

Tina is right - Glazing is the easy part. And I really love the jewel like quality that it gives the painting!

Deirdre - You have really done well with her expression! The robe and her blouse are also beautiful! I love how you did the lacy ruffle on her blouse!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Barb Solomon :cat:

rosebard
04-10-2005, 06:10 PM
Hi guys,

Tina, Deepat and Raison. :clap: :clap: :clap:

It is so nice to see how different artist view and paint the same subject.
When I have time and feel very well to do it I will go over this all thread again and give my Vermeer another try. Maybe by the end of the year I can have my avalaible to post here. Hope so.

Kiss to everybody!

bjs0704
04-10-2005, 06:47 PM
Rose - It would be great to see another Vermeer! If I get a chance, I would like to try “Girl with a Pearl Earring”.

Raison - It looks great! I love your color and the the folds are wonderful! The background is lovely! I can see how a bit of glaze may be nice on her face! Good work!

Barb Solomon :cat:

EDGARB
04-11-2005, 11:39 AM
I have a little more done on this and a camera so I am posting it. Right now I am figuring out a way to put a different face in this. The woman who runs around my house giving orders has decreed that her sisters face has to be in this. Hmmmmmmm :confused:


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Apr-2005/30112-sendvermeer4.jpg

rwhiteley
04-11-2005, 02:04 PM
Barb, I noticed your comment about the Girl with the Pearl Earing, and I encourage you to do her , shes very sympatico. I did her last month along with the two other Vermeers, but I posted on the Pearl Earing special project site. Anyway, would like to show what I did here, I enjoted it more than the other two. This has been a great MOM, I must say I cant get up much enthusiasm for the Rembrandts, and will probably skip a month. However I really loved the info and write up.
Richard 2

bjs0704
04-11-2005, 09:22 PM
I really enjoyed the procedure that we used for Vermeer! I am not sure how long it is going to take to do my Rembrandt MOM! But eventually I will try another Vermeer!

Barb Solomon :cat:

rosebard
04-11-2005, 10:59 PM
Just watched the Girl with the pearl earing film. Just great movie. There was one time a saw the milkmaid hanging on the wall of someone Vermeer usud to paint for. After this MOM I could reconize a number of paintings I saw on the film. I also bought a bargain book today. It is a look over to 45 paintings from the old masters. And I paid only $15. Just loved it. The Vermeer one there is one the book is The artist's studio Painting. I was so happy to found that book. I was kind of tired of just looking at them on the computer. Want to touch. At least thinking I am touching.

Richard2 nice girl with the pearl earing. Especially the light of the pearl. I want to go for mine soon. I just bought new artsupplies and wainting to arriving next week. I will probably start there on couple of weeks. Needs to research first.

Edgarb, coming along nicely. Looking forward to see your sister's in law face. :D

Barb, wow there is so much things go on at the moment, isnt it??
I had to cut of my projects. Still not welll to go with multitasking. I am drawing between painting sections. To get me at least moving. Girl with red hat is on the line for project after the Girl With pearl earing and the classic portrait of hanna. I am going to redo it all over again on a bigger canvas. Maybe that will help. Just wont let that painting will over me. And let me feeling sorry for myself. One thing I am sure, next time will be better done.

:wave:

bjs0704
04-11-2005, 11:53 PM
Rose - I have heard a lot of good things about that movie!

I have found some of my all time favorite books on the bargain rack! Your book sounds lovely! Sometimes there is nothing quite like sitting down and looking at a book of really nice artwork.

Sometimes I jump into too many things at once! I love your sketch! The pencil rendering is beautiful!

Barb Solomon :cat:

dgilane
04-12-2005, 10:07 AM
Hey . . . I've just discovered the MOM section and have really enjoyed reading through it the past few days. Hats off to all you guys for such a bold endevour! It looks like a blast, and if I can muster the courage, I'll have to give one of these a go. I know that this is common practice in art school, but may take me a moment to get my head around attempting something like this in my kitchen. Are there any guidlines I need to know about? Can a person start work on a previous month?

I have to say, you are all very inspiring!

David

bjs0704
04-12-2005, 05:09 PM
David - I hope that you give it a try! There is no problem with posting to past MOM’s. You may not get as much feedback as if you posted during the month, but someone will probably stop by. Don’t forget to post progress posts!

I am really looking forward to seeing your “Vermeer”!

Barb Solomon :cat:

guillot
04-12-2005, 08:44 PM
Yep, I did the "Girl with a Pearl Earring" too, whenever that project was - about a year or more ago? She's still hanging up on my wall. Looks good Rose, and Your's does too rwhiteley.

Edgar - looking great there !!!

David - jump right on in !!! Have some fun !! We have a blast doing all of these. I'm still subscribed to all of the MOM threads, so when someone posts something - I always go back to take a look. I'm still working on the Borgie for goodness sakes. LOL ALMOST finished with it though - I'm very proud of that one for sure.

Barb - I keep telling myself one of these days I'll catch up with everything. Maybe one of these days !! I'm terribly bad about overstretching myself :D

Tina

bjs0704
04-12-2005, 09:28 PM
Tina - LOL! That makes two of us! I have a stack of paintings to finish! With my husband finishing school, moving and everything else, I am going to have to work to get caught up. And I will do it!

Barb Solomon :cat:

dgilane
04-12-2005, 10:45 PM
Wow -- you guys are hilarious! Well, this looks like a fun thing to explore, so you've convinced me. I have to think about which one to try . . . I read through the Turner month too, and that looked like a good amount of fun -- might have to try one of those skies!

David

Rosic
04-13-2005, 09:45 AM
Wow -- you guys are hilarious! Well, this looks like a fun thing to explore, so you've convinced me. I have to think about which one to try . . . I read through the Turner month too, and that looked like a good amount of fun -- might have to try one of those skies!

David
Good attitude David... you'll have a blast!
Welcome aboard! :clap:
Bernie

vee_209
04-15-2005, 12:12 AM
Dear all,

I've been away from this forum for a while (not it's mid-April!). How time flies. Takes a bit of time to catch up with all the treads. It seems to be a great month for everybody here. Wonderful paintings, everyone! I love all your paintings! :clap:

I'm soooo tempted to copy Girl with a Red Hat too. Just bought a Stainless panel from a shop. I will coat it with Cremnitz White and see how thnigs progress. This should be interesting.

Vee

Rosic
04-15-2005, 11:49 AM
Dear all,

I've been away from this forum for a while (not it's mid-April!). How time flies.

I'm soooo tempted to copy Girl with a Red Hat too. Just bought a Stainless panel from a shop. I will coat it with Cremnitz White and see how thnigs progress. This should be interesting.

Vee
Welcome back Vee! By all means show us another fine painting... :wink2:
Bern

bjs0704
04-15-2005, 12:09 PM
Vee-Welcome Back! It’s good to see that you here! It would be great to see your “Girl with a Red Hat”! I really had fun doing this one! Good luck!

David - You could always do both! :D I am really looking forward to seeing your painting!

Barb Solomon :cat:

dgilane
04-17-2005, 06:14 PM
Both! Gosh, well, sure, I'm game! I'll work my way backward -- too fun!

Here's my initial sketch for Vermeer.

Cheers,

David

EDIT: You mean both Vermeers, don't you? Thought you meant Turner. The Girl in the Red Hat scares the pants off me!

bjs0704
04-17-2005, 07:14 PM
Wow, that is the most beautiful sketch! You have certainly got a fine start of a painting!:clap: :clap:

Actually, I was thinking of both the Turner and the Vermeer, though after doing "Girl with the Red Hat" I have really feel in love with his method of painting!

The "Girl in a Red Hat" really isn't all that bad! I really love the Vermeer that you are doing, but it struck me as a little bit harder! Hehe Who knows!

Your really doing great! I am really looking forward to seeing your progress!

Barb Solomon:cat:

dgilane
04-18-2005, 01:05 PM
Thanks for your support and enthusiasm, Barb! It's really neat to read all about his painting technique -- can't wait to see how the rest goes -- will keep you posted.

Cheers,

David

Rosic
04-18-2005, 01:44 PM
Welcome aboard David! :clap:
I need to get busy on finishing my painting... :eek:
Bernie

*Deirdre*
04-19-2005, 01:13 AM
I did the glaze, let it dry...and forgot to post it! Sorry! The glaze did go a bit fuzzy....oops!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Apr-2005/33616-girlredhat1.jpg

bjs0704
04-19-2005, 10:46 AM
Deirdre - Your “girl in a red hat” is lovely! If you wanted to sharpen the area around the eyes and nose(on the "wings" where it joins the face) that would eliminate the fuzziness, but it is your choice! I really love how the colors came out! It has a very old fashioned romantic quality to it! You did really well with the lighting effects! It very beautiful!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

Barb Solomon :cat: :clap:

dgilane
04-19-2005, 11:14 AM
Indeed -- it's really beautiful, deepat! I especially love the brush work and colors on the hat. You've really captured her expression so well -- what great eyes!

Cheers,

David

Rosic
04-19-2005, 01:39 PM
Deirdre... WOW! :clap:
The texture of that hat is outstanding.
Bernie

*Deirdre*
04-19-2005, 03:08 PM
Barbara, David & Bernie...thank you all very much! I really have enjoyed my foray into oils...and hope to do another soon!

bravynn
04-19-2005, 10:07 PM
Back from our Arizona trip, a little side trek to Vegas for three hours, and then allergies attack for almost a week after I arrived home. Mundane other routines naturally.....

now, I can try to finish the painting of the RHL as close to the real thing as possible. We'll see how 'that' goes. :)

Hi David, and Deirdre...glad you're joining in. We still have some time before the end of the month, although there really isn't a deadline. I have a couple of Moms I haven't finished from recent months yelling for me once in a while. :D

Bern, can't wait to see your finished painting. Dave? Good finish Barb!

Vee, hope you will just 'go for it' on the Vermeer RHL.

My husband is leaving for four days for a Harley-Davidson Leesburg, FL bikefest. Will have some peace and quiet to paint in. I have a very long living room & dining room combined, and my painting area is the 'dining room' made into 'my corner'. :-) It's big enough for me.

Will post when I get some work done.

Barbara :wave:

raison d etre
04-23-2005, 08:05 AM
I'm still plugging along!!!! I guess this will be my Master of the Quarter. I've corrected some things. Now my biggest problem is getting a good photo from my Kodak Easy Share little camera. I've got to invest in a decent Digital Camera. SO I took these photo's but they were dark, When I tried in the light, I got glare, so I brought the light up in MS Picture It. So they look a little too bright, but you get the idea of were I'm at. The hair and ear and I'm done. It Think?

rosebard
04-23-2005, 02:48 PM
People are still working on their Vermeer. UHHH... makes me feel like fixing mine. Anyway, some nice stuff is still coming and that is nice. Vermeer so far became my favorite, maybe this is just sentimentas as he is my first Master to try on.
Deepat nice textures, lovely.
Love the colors you used, Raison.
And another Milk Maid is on the way. What a nice sketch Dgilaine!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

bjs0704
04-23-2005, 03:59 PM
Barbara - Enjoy your painting days! I am looking forward to seeing your “Red Hat Girl”!

raison d etre -Your Red Hat Girl is looking great! You have done particularly well with her cloak and hat - the textures are fantastic!

I don’t have a really expensive camera, but I do have some cheapo swing arm lamps set up in the pattern that is recommended for photographing artwork (at 45 degrees to the painting on either side). I also bought a tripod. After that, I usually end up adjusting everything in Photoshop.

Rose - Don’t worry about your Vermeer! (I’m tempted to hide my Turner! It’s awful! But I did try! Maybe a little gesso would help.) If you do decide to work on your "Girl in a Red Hat" some more, good luck!

dgilane
04-26-2005, 11:33 PM
Okay . .. finally found a few hours to work on this today. What do you think . . . can I call it an underpainting and move on to color layers?

sorry for the grainy pic . . . dv cam, eh.

David

Rosic
04-27-2005, 08:23 AM
Bern, can't wait to see your finished painting.
Barbara :wave:
Thanks Barbara... hope you're in your early 20's... seems I've hit the wall on this one and it may take awhile... :evil:... :D

ReNae... Girl... you have that red :music: singing :music: :clap:

David... Looking GREAT! :clap:

Bernie

dgilane
04-28-2005, 12:37 AM
. . . first colors added to table and clothing . . .

bjs0704
04-28-2005, 09:24 AM
I love your soft color and the romantic style! It’s really a lovely painting! I’m looking forward to seeing it as it develops!:cool: :cool: :cool:

Barb Solomon :cat:

Squib
04-29-2005, 05:59 AM
Wow - this is a l...o...n...g thread. Takes me ages to catch up with all reading. Such great work from everyone, and folk are still at it. Very encouraging. Well done everyone. :clap: :clap: :clap:

dgilane
04-29-2005, 11:41 PM
Barb --thanks so much! I'm excited to add more color and see where it goes.

Squib -- isn't this an amazing thread? :cool: :cool:

Cheers,

David

Rosic
05-01-2005, 05:53 PM
Finally made some time to work on this one some more...
Started adding more color...
Bern

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-May-2005/17108-mom154.JPG

bjs0704
05-01-2005, 08:26 PM
Bernie - Good going! Your doing a great job of catching the wonderful colors that Vermeer used! There may be a couple of places where the shadows are a bit patchy and could be blended more, but it’s going to look fabulous when you are done! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Barb Solomon :cat:

dgilane
05-01-2005, 09:24 PM
Bernie -- so glad you are fighting the good fight back here in March with me! Your colors are looking so rich . . . beautiful blue . . . can I ask what's on your palette for so far?

Cheers,

David

dcorc
05-01-2005, 09:40 PM
I'm still here, too :cool: (or should that be :rolleyes: - I'll post an update on mine tomorrow! )

Bern - Looking good ! :wave:



Need to go back through and have a proper look at all the work here!

Dave

Rosic
05-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Bernie -- so glad you are fighting the good fight back here in March with me! Your colors are looking so rich . . . beautiful blue . . . can I ask what's on your palette for so far?

Cheers,

David

Here you go David... The colors in bold are the ones I used the most. Add a touch of cadmium red to this list when I work in the skin tones.

french ultramarine
cobalt blue
prussian blue
phthalo blue
raw umber
burnt umber
burnt sienna
raw sienna
yellow ochre
cadmium yellow pale
naples yellow light
cadmium orange
sap green
terre verte
paynes gray
alizarin crimson
ivory black
titanium white

Thanks for the support everyone!
Bernie

dgilane
05-01-2005, 10:28 PM
:cool: , thanks Bernie. Neat to see what you're using.

Dave -- will look forward to tomorrow!

dcorc
05-03-2005, 08:55 AM
Here's my update - still needs one more pass of painting I think, to complete:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-May-2005/30792-dcgirh5.jpg

I'll have one more go at it next weekend - ( I'm using a medium with stand oil and strasbourg turpentine which is pretty slow-drying, even with some cobalt siccative)

Dave

Rosic
05-03-2005, 09:01 AM
Looks great Dave! :clap:

Latest update for me...
(Hope to work some more on it tomorrow)...
Bern

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-May-2005/17108-mom155.JPG

Close-up
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-May-2005/17108-mom155c.JPG

dgilane
05-03-2005, 09:53 AM
Wow -- okay, you guys are rocking and rolling!

Dave, I'm loving the soft light and how it's molding her cape and the statue thingy on the chair.

Bernie, your still life on the table kicks butt. I have no idea how you took it from underpainting to THAT in no time. I particularly like the shade you made the table -- it really harmonizes with the yellow/yellow-green of her tunic.

Opps -- are there rules about saying <kick butt> in this forum? :p

I'm off to Canada for a week to see the folks, but will be back at it when I return.

Cheers,

David

bjs0704
05-03-2005, 10:22 AM
Dave C. - Your Vermeer girl is looking great! Your colors and textures are looking great!

What red did you use for the hat? I love the folds in her cape. I’m looking forward to seeing what happens next!

Bernie - David is right! You have really done a bang up job on the still life! The colors and folds on her dress are looking fantastic! Keep up the good work!

David - Enjoy your visit with your folks in Canada!

Barb Solomon :cat:

Rosic
05-03-2005, 10:43 AM
Wow -- okay, you guys are rocking and rolling!

Cheers,

David
Partly thanks to you and your patience and vigilence with this project... kinda got me off that butt of mine... :wink2:

Have a great time... see ya in a week.

Bern

Thanks Barb!

Rosic
05-03-2005, 10:59 AM
Opps -- are there rules about saying <kick butt> in this forum? :p
David

No rules that I know of... here's my all time fav...
KICKhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-May-2005/17108-1_butt_icon.gif... :evil:

Rosic
05-03-2005, 11:09 AM
Here's my update - still needs one more pass of painting I think, to complete:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-May-2005/30792-dcgirh5.jpg

I'll have one more go at it next weekend - ( I'm using a medium with stand oil and strasbourg turpentine which is pretty slow-drying, even with some cobalt siccative)

Dave

Dave... this is looking great. I am drawn to the red in the original and you have rendered that red perfectly here. Are you giving up your fast drying oils? Which do you like better? I look forward to seeing the finished piece soon.
Bern

dcorc
05-03-2005, 12:40 PM
Not only can we say "kickbutt" - but (only when strictly necessary!) Bernie and I are prepared to do it, too! :evil:

:D

This red's (all W&N artists oils) Cadmium Red + a little Cadmium Orange - I've then glazed over the darker parts thinly with Permanent Alizarin Crimson, and restated the brighter parts with the cadmium mix. I'd expect the original was french vermilion and glazing with rose madder - but I haven't been able to find a good french vermilion here in the UK (Michael Harding does the darker chinese vermilion). I know Holbein does one, but I haven't found anywhere here that sells it, and I'm disinclined to order internationally for it, or to mull my own from pigment. The impression that I've got is that the cadmium can mimic it pretty well in masstone, it's in tints that the real stuff holds its own.

I'm very fond of the fast-drying alkyds - but I'm also using W&N Artists oils and Michael Harding too. The longer "open" time of traditional oils and ability to play with different media is useful - as I've been doing with the Bouguereau, Turner and Vermeer MOMs.

Dave

*Deirdre*
05-03-2005, 12:50 PM
- ( I'm using a medium with stand oil and strasbourg turpentine which is pretty slow-drying, even with some cobalt siccative)

Dave
Trust you to talk dirty! :evil: :wink2: :p What does that mean? :confused:

rosebard
05-03-2005, 02:42 PM
Hi Everyone!!

Dave and Bernie love the colors. :clap: :clap:

Diglane how is your coming along?? The last update was nice. :clap:

:wave:

dcorc
05-03-2005, 03:45 PM
- ( I'm using a medium with stand oil and strasbourg turpentine which is pretty slow-drying, even with some cobalt siccative)
DaveTrust you to talk dirty! :evil: :wink2: :p What does that mean? :confused:

LOL

It's believed that the "out-of focus" highlight spots which characterise Vermeers paintings may have been achieved by the use of a painting medium which levelled the paintstrokes, and "melted" and diffused them a little. Stand oil is a high-viscosity version of linseed oil, which has been partially polymerised by heating in the absence of oxygen, and Strasbourg turpentine - which is a high-viscosity resin - diluted to a workable consistency with turpentine

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Oct-2004/30792-strasbourg.jpg

The stand oil alone would be very slow-drying - the strasbourg makes it tack-up relatively quickly, but continues to blend, level and diffuse the stroke for quite a while. As it takes several days for the mix added to paint to cease to be tacky (and great at collecting dust!) I hurry it along a bit with the addition of a small quantity of a solution of cobalt, which speeds drying. (there's a long-term risk of darkening and discolouration if one gets overenthusiastic with this).

Any clearer? :)

Dave

Rosic
05-07-2005, 05:23 PM
Latest Update:

Worked on the basket and lantern (I assume that's what it is)...
Also darkened the BG so the blue glass decanter is less evident and not the focal point as before.
Bern

Painting is a bit warmer than shown in this photo...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-May-2005/17108-mom156.JPG

Close-Up...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-May-2005/17108-mom156a.JPG

Rosic
05-08-2005, 11:46 PM
Another Update:
Almost finished... still have to glaze skin tones on arms and paint face...
Gotta let this one dry first. Hope to finish her within the week. :D
Bern

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-May-2005/17108-mom157.JPG

bjs0704
05-09-2005, 08:14 AM
Bernie - This painting is going to look fabulous when it is done! Your shadows on the back wall are fabulous! Good job on the basket and lantern.

It will be nice to see this when you have worked on her face and arms. I looking forward to seeing it!:cool: :cool: :cool:

Barb Solomon :cat:

dcorc
05-09-2005, 09:45 AM
Hi Bern - great stuff there! Love the handling of the wickerwork on the basket, and the still life, and the figure's building beautifully :clap:

Here's what I think is the final on mine (could noodle around putting the odd dab into the background, I suppose)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-May-2005/30792-dcgirh6.jpg

Dave

bjs0704
05-09-2005, 11:46 AM
Dave - I hadn’t realize how small this painting is! It is really lovely! I love the colors of her her and cloak! And you also did very nicely with getting a nice light pink to her skin.

My only criticism is the white eyebrow, I don’t know if that could be softened. I have to admit getting the eye sockets and eyebrows defined on this painting was really difficult. I wasn’t that happy with my own.

Overall, you have really done well with this painting! Good work!

Barb Solomon :cat:

vee_209
05-18-2005, 12:28 PM
Dear all,

All the paintings done so far are just great! I simply can't resist the urge to start my own version of Girl with a Red Hat too. Sorry for being so late!

I've decided to paint on a sheet of stainless steel instead nof normal canvas or wooden panel. This would also be an interesting experiment too. I sanded the stainless sheet with sand paper, then i applied two coats of Old Holland Cremnitz White on top of it. I wanted to start with a mid-tone surface, so I added Raw Umber to the last layer of Cremnitz White.

I would like to get the painting as accurate as possible, so I traced the detail of the painting onto the canvas. The ground of the original painting is in fact a much warmer brown, so I'm considering the use of Burnt Umber as the underdrawing (plus Yellow Ochre to make this layer a bit more opaque, perhaps?) . I might have to paint the first later wet in wet rather than multi-layers in order go make soft-edge background and bled it as i go along. No badger brush yet. :crying: I wonder if the use of Liquin might help.

What I want to learn from this exercise are as follow:
1) Vermeer's use of colour
2) Tonality
3) Edges
I will post more as my painting progresses. I will try to add some relevant notes on the painting too.

Vee

vee_209
05-18-2005, 12:32 PM
By the way, Dave, I love your bright red hat!

Rosic
05-18-2005, 02:56 PM
Vee... I cannot wait to see the results of this grand experiment... please give us every detail along the way.
Bern

rosebard
05-18-2005, 04:49 PM
Is it boys show time now??? (hope Vee is a boy too))

The boys are doing great. Nice works. :clap: :clap: :clap:

bjs0704
05-18-2005, 10:29 PM
Vee - I’m going to be very interested in your project! I am wondering about how using metal as a surface will affect the work and painting style! Your off to a really good start!

Barb Solomon :cat:

vee_209
05-19-2005, 11:33 AM
Last night I glazed the entire surface with Winsor & Newton Raw Sienna + Transparent Red Ochre + Burnt Umber. I used Liquin Fine Detain as the glazing medium. While the painting is still wet, I painted the lines with Ivory back for the very dark lines. i then add Burnt Umber + transparent Red Ochre to the area which needs to be lighter. Some parts, particularly on the top left background I used French Ultramarine and Raw Sienna to create greenish brown line.

The brushmark on this stainless panel is quite prominent where it is left because the panel is very non-absorbant. This is so different from working on a canvas. The effect should be quite similar to Vermeer's wooden panel too.

I tried to minimise the brush work initially by using quite a significant amount of liquin. I had to paint "dry in wet" (using paint straight from the tube without mixing it with medium) or the paint would diffuse to the surrounding areas horribly. I tried to load lots of paint on my brush on the dark lines, and less on the lighter line. I had to paint quite quickly otherwise the line would look shaky. Some parts on the background need to be darker, but I will leave the canvas to dry for now. Then I will glaze more colours on that areas later.

I used a size 1-3 round synthetic brushes for this stage. I tried to blend the edges by lightly brushing along the edges with size 1 brush.

Vee

vee_209
05-19-2005, 11:35 AM
Because of the lighting condition, the picture may look more yellow than its actual colour.

Also.. yes, Bard. I'm a guy. :)

rosebard
05-19-2005, 03:19 PM
Hi Vee, that is very interesting. And it is looking good.

I will be around watching you boys. :wave:

bjs0704
05-19-2005, 05:56 PM
Vee- Your off to a wonderful start! Thanks for telling us about your technique and experiences. I hadn’t realized the effect that the non-porous surface would have on the brushmarks in the painting! I’m looking forward to seeing more! Good luck! :cool: :cool:

Barb Solomon :cat:

EDGARB
05-20-2005, 03:14 PM
Well its finally done. It took quite awhile to pu tmy sisterinlaws face in this. Gettingthe correc angle and look and lighting in this small a space took me a while (if I wanted ittostill look like her) Then after a few practice painted sketches my wife decided she needed cosmetic surgery to take a few years off. So out came the scalpel and a few nips and tucks here and there and i was done.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/20-May-2005/30112-mmdone.jpg

vee_209
05-20-2005, 03:46 PM
Wow, Rocky, You've done a great job on this one. i really like it! :clap:

Vee

bjs0704
05-20-2005, 03:57 PM
Rocky - You’ve done a great job! The lighting is perfect. I love the food on the table! It is beautiful!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Barb Solomon :cat:

vee_209
05-20-2005, 03:59 PM
Vermeer's Edges

I would like to quote a passage from “Painting Lesson from the Great Masters” by Hereward Lester Cooke. This is a wonderful book I found in the university library. I’m not sure whether it’s still available nowadays. Hope this will be useful for everybody. This is one area I really need to practice on.

“In the detail, first note that there is a decided difference between the areas of light and shade. Second, note that the boundary between light and shade –the “shadow edge” - has been handled with great care and finesse, varying from soft (A) to hard (B), at times lost (C) and then found again (D). Third, note that in the shadow area fine detail is lost in a suffusing mantle of darkness; for example, the eye (E) is no more than a dark blur. Fourth, on the light side, modelling is also cut to a minimum; there is no appreciable change in tone or colour between the plane at F and the area at G.

Contours are also illusive. The line of the cheek (H) is softened, and at J it has been strengthened by a dark line. On the other hand, at K the contour of the nose is lost. The unique features of Vermeer’s work, and the real key to understand his treatment of light is in the way he handles highlights. Like jewels, the ettings are carefully prepared. Note that the contour at L is sharp as a knife. The lights at M are surrounded by a slightly less intense halo which makes the principal light glow with an almost incandescent quality. The dot of light at N registers perfectly as a drop of moisture at the corner of the mouth.”

bjs0704
05-20-2005, 10:12 PM
That is really a wonderful book! There is a lot of good information in it!

Thanks for reminding me about the section on "The Girl in the Red Hat". I did find that there were several places where the structure of her face was very subtle. Your information about the light in the painting is very interesting!

Barb Solomon :cat:

rosebard
05-20-2005, 11:59 PM
Thanks Vee for sharing the info. I think I should go over this all thread again. I feel I have missed some great tips around. That does help Vee. Thanks.

:wave: :D

EDIT: Sorry Edgarb. I was so overwhelmed by the info that Vee gave that forgot your lovely well done work back there. I love Vermeer. The colors are really great. You did a great job. :clap: :clap: :wave:

dgilane
05-21-2005, 12:07 AM
Rocky, your painting turned out amazing! The detail is wonderful . . . copper hangy-thingy and the basket are beautiful . . .and you managed to make the paint layers work like in the original on the sleeves (something I can't quite figure out how to mix). Most inspiring!

Vee -- what a lesson. What's the rest of the book like? It's freaking me out a bit to see what Vermeer was really up to, but I just can't look away!

Cheers,

David

vee_209
05-21-2005, 11:03 AM
Painting Lesson from the Great Masters” by Hereward Lester Cooke is a book which give lessons on contour, colour, lighting, hand, face etc based on a section of paintings by different painters from Renaissance to Impressionist eras. At the end of every lesson, there is a little exercise the book suggests you to do too. It's definitely a great book to have!