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onecherry
02-10-2005, 07:40 AM
Hi! I've started art classes again, serious this time, and I attend 8 hours every day plus I work at home too. I started in November, and hope to get in the Athens Schooll of Arts (clicky! (http://www.asfa.gr/) )until September.
Anyway I'm pretty stressed since I start to think I'll fail the examinations, I think I have no progress and feel like I'm wasting my time. My teacher is not at all suportive and the other students at the workshop are very mean and competitive.

I have to admit studying art is not at all what I thouhgt it would be like, and say I'm very disappointed.

I'll post some of my work to tell me what you guys think, and give me some advice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/CIMG0019.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/CIMG0018.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/CIMG0017.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/CIMG0015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/CIMG0013.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/CIMG0012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/CIMG0009.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/CIMG0004.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/CIMG0002.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/ef7649cf.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/montelo1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/bbede377.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/a532c93c.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/onecherry/frontistirio/37a7d4c1.jpg

Thanx!

Quiet
02-10-2005, 10:08 AM
Onecherry Ė

Take a deep breath! Stress is no fun. Donít let your teacher or the other students get to you! Sometimes you end up in a group of people whom you donít mesh with, which sucks, but itís normal. Just hold on and keep going, and the next class may be full of your soul-mates. Donít let a lousy group of people kill art for you.

What exactly is your current level of education? It sounds like you are at a beginning college level (to judge from my American perspective) and going from one college to another. Best of luck getting into the Athens school! Do you have any other schools lined up in case that one doesnít pan out? Getting together alternative plans might help with your stress level. (And there are plenty of other good schools out there, too.)

You said that you ďwork at homeĒ. Did you mean that you are doing more art at home, or that you are also working a job?

To change the topic slightly, I see that you have lots of good academic studies. However, I see nothing of you in that work. Is that part of the current difficulty with your class? While drawing still-lives and models is some of the best practicing that you can do, if your heart lies in different subject matter or a different medium, it can get suffocating doing that academic stuff. If thatís the case, maybe you could work some of your own thing into your curriculum, or into your free time?

Whatever education that you continue with, you should find that the farther along you get, the more you get to decide what you do with that education. So finding free time to make your own art wonít always be necessary, and neither will it be such a pain to talk your teachers into letting you do what you want to do. (And if your teachers donít let you start to steer your education where you want to go, then you know youíre at the wrong school.)

Well, good luck with it. When the stress gets bad, remember that you are in art boot-camp, and that things will get easier for you.

onecherry
02-11-2005, 02:23 PM
What exactly is your current level of education? It sounds like you are at a beginning college level (to judge from my American perspective) and going from one college to another. Best of luck getting into the Athens school! Do you have any other schools lined up in case that one doesnít pan out? Getting together alternative plans might help with your stress level. (And there are plenty of other good schools out there, too.)

First of all thanks for your reply!

I had few art lessons in high school (1 time a week for 3 years) which wasn't much.

Now I'm taking lessons in a school that prepares you for the september exam of ASFA. ASFA is the ONLY school in Athens (where I live). But it's the best. Its like Harvard for Economics. Also I don't pay much for the lessons ($220 every month - my sister pays double to another school) and I can use the studio every day (+weekends) 12 hours a day.



You said that you ďwork at homeĒ. Did you mean that you are doing more art at home, or that you are also working a job?


I draw and paint 8 hours at school and continue at home. No job.


To change the topic slightly, I see that you have lots of good academic studies. However, I see nothing of you in that work. Is that part of the current difficulty with your class? While drawing still-lives and models is some of the best practicing that you can do, if your heart lies in different subject matter or a different medium, it can get suffocating doing that academic stuff. If thatís the case, maybe you could work some of your own thing into your curriculum, or into your free time?



The picks I uploaded where part of my recent work, which is very specific, according to the ASFA exams. These are drawings and paintings of 1) portrait (specific portraits of greek statues) 2) synthesis - still life, 3) nude. I work at home at less strict stuff - less academic as you mentioned.



Anyway things are stressfull as I really want to acomplish something out of this mess, and I think I work really hard.

Thanks again for your reply, and thanks for your wishes!

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quirky
03-11-2005, 05:29 AM
Hi,
I'm a mature age student and I've just finished three years fine art at a technical college. I've now started at university. But one of the first things I learnt is that you have to do what the teachers want. You can't direct your own art until you're in final year. That's how it works in Australia - maybe it's the same in Greece.

At university we can pick our own subjects, but we still have to do whatever the project says (i.e. paint in oils, for example). Also I got straight in to 2nd year, but I see the first-years drawing the same sort of things you are doing, and what I did in first year. It is hard when you are not particularly interested in the media or the subject.


I think your drawings are excellent. You shouldn't worry. I only WISH I could have drawn like that in first year. Don't let the other students get you down. There are probably others who feel frozen out also, and their attitude is just their way of handling it.

KimberScott
03-21-2005, 12:36 AM
I'm going to chime in here with something maybe a lot of people don't want to hear and many won't agree with. Creating art is very hard work and creating "good" art, whatever that is, is even harder. I'm in my last year of a public university which fell to the "do your own thing" disease probably 30 - 40 years ago. "Do your own thing" does not teach one to paint, to model form, to compose successful compositions, to understand color theory, line quality, or perspective. Do your own thing can be done at home for free. Unfortunately, I'm paying a lot of money to do it. I'm ready to quit, but I'm determined to finish what I started. What little I do know about painting I learned from a teacher in the community college I went to. What I've learned in the two years since I've been at university, I've had to research on my own.

Consider yourself lucky to be getting the training your are receiving. Your drawings show a lot of promise. (There are people at my school, in their fourth year, as well, who cannot do what you are doing.) Learn the basics, then worry about "putting yourself in there" later. There is plenty of time for that. I feel such burning frustration everyday because my teachers cannot teach me what I want to know - mainly because they do not know it - their teachers did not teach them. Why pay so much money, invest so much time to be told to "Do your own thing, only do it quickly so you can have some piece of crap to turn in on Monday?" Why?

Learning to paint, or draw, or sculpt is like learning any other skill. It is a language all its own. Would you go to language school to learn to speak say... Russian, and expect to be told to figure it out for yourself? Or, would you expect on the first day to be praised for already knowing a few words? Would you expect your teacher to say, "Oh, you know everything! You are so good at Russian! Ok. Let's move on to Chinese." And, what will you do when you encounter a Russian in the street and it is a life, or death, situation and you must be able to communicate with him? How will you say what you need to say? With your brilliant baby words? What will you think of the teacher who was too busy, or too lazy, or too ignorant to teach you what you needed to save your life? What they did not teach you after four years of going back everyday and asking, waiting, hoping for the words, and none came saving something "profound" like, "You might want to think about the content of what you are trying to say more than how you say it." And I would say, "How about you teach me HOW to say it, and I will figure out what I want to say later? I could write a poem, sing a song, pen a death warrant in Russian, it is no concern to you now, Teacher. Your concern is to teach me the WORDS!"

And so, I say all this "do your own thing" stuff is for the birds. Learn the words. Then say what you want. Feel lucky you are not being overly praised for the need will drive you to work harder and when you get the praise, you will know you have truly earned it. You will never wonder, "Do they really like it? They say the same thing to everybody."

Too many of us go to art school for an ego stroking. It's a very expensive way to make ourselves feel clever. You seem to really want to learn. If the desire is real, it will come to you and you will never struggle for the right "word," it will always be on the tip of your tongue.

Good luck. Keep working hard.

maria_khurram
03-26-2005, 02:40 AM
Hi Cherry. I saw your work. It is not so bad that it could dipress you. Your drawing is perfect. All you need is to pay attention to lights and shades. And the style of work. You work in lines and I work in realistic style. So try to soften your shading and thats all. Otherwise your drawing is perfect.