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02-16-2001, 07:31 PM
Can anyone tell me what the color code PBk 11 is for ?
I am making up some Paynes Grey and need three colors PB29-Ultramarine,PY42-Yellow oxide + PBk 11??)two of which I know but can't locate a source for the codes anywhere to identify this one...at a guess I would say it an umber or sienna but don't want to just guesstimate it if I can do it right...Has anyone an umber they can check the number of for me?
Thanks Sue

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02-16-2001, 08:20 PM
If I'm not mistaken, it is Mars Black. I think I found it in my book. I don't have a tube of it to look at.

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02-17-2001, 02:02 AM
Life's too short. I just go buy paynes grey.

02-21-2001, 05:15 AM
Here's a watercolor site that lists the codes for just about every pigment used in watercolor paints:

The Bk refers to black, so it's some shade of black. The handprint site calls the pigment ferrite black iron oxide. (If I remember correctly, aren't the Mars pigments all oxides? That would fit then.)

It only lists one paint made with PBk11: Lunar Black from Daniel Smith, but maybe other mediums use the pigment for other colors...


02-26-2001, 01:16 PM
Hello grannyb,

Pbk11 = synthetic iron oxide and may be called marsblack or oxydblack or anthracit or what have you.
Payne's grey is usually made up of Pb29 + Pbl11 but that could also be Pbl9 as is the case with Old Holland.
I have not yet heard of a yellow oxide included.



02-27-2001, 12:52 AM
Thank you all for your help...I ended up by winging it a bit but am happy with the color I ended up with...PBK 11 is here in Australian pigments Mars Black ...which I had thank goodness...but I do prefer the color i got from the Burnt Umber strangely enough.It was a good excercise.

I like to mix my paints while I think over the next project...it tends to be a sort of ritualistic cleansing of the last picture and a drawing together of the threads for the new one. One days I won't need that meditating time and will probably buy my paints but while I have the pigments and the will .....and I do get nicer colors with much purer hues!

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Sue in Oz.