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Printmakerguy
01-17-2005, 01:47 AM
A new project has been announced in the WetCanvas! project system!

Title: Reverspective
Project Leader: Printmakerguy
Relative Difficulty: Medium
Type Restrictions: Painting
Medium: Any Medium
Subject: Not Applicable
Days open for signups: 30
Maximum participants allowed: 10

Description:

In this project, we will explore the interesting world of Reverspective, an ingenious technique pioneered by English artist Patrick Hughes.

The technique involves painting on a 3- dimensional flat-topped pyramid support, creating an optical illusion for the viewer. The 'Point' of the pyramid is displayed closest to the viewer, BUT has the part of the painting that we wish the viewer to perceive as farthest away painted on it. The parts of the painting that we wish the viewer to perceive as CLOSEST to them are actually farthest away. It is a bit confusing, until we actually see it in action, then it makes perfect sense.

The effect of this is an illusion of perspective, that changes as you view the painting from different angles. The effect is actually quite interesting to see, and very fun to achieve! This make a real conversation piece, as well as an interesting exercise in perspective for any artist.

Here is what is involved in the project-

1) I will provide up to 10 blocks to paint on- free of charge- as for someone without woodworking skills and equipment, this is the difficult part. If you want to try building your own, I can also provide plans and/or guidance.

2) Sketch several potential designs for the finished block, and post them in the progress area. If you need help coming up with an idea, check out the reference links. I have studied the effect of the paintings, and have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't in them, so I am more than willing to help if asked.

3) Put the image on your block! Painting is the most common way, either with oils or acrylics, but if you are creative, there is no reason you can't use some other method. Be sure to post W.I.P's as you go!

4) Post your final image in the gallery for all to enjoy!

Keep in mind that the blocks DO require a fair amount of work on my part, so please only sign up if you intend to complete the project. Also, if something comes up that prevents you from participating, please let me know so someone else can have a shot at it.

The reference links provide info on Patrick Hughes, the Reverspective concept, and another artist, Kreg Yingst, who does similar work.



Additional Information:

For more information on the project: Click here! (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_details&proj_id=820)

Remember, in order to help keep the discussions on projects organized, you should post your questions, suggestions, and comments on submitted work here in this thread. By doing this, we allow other non-project efforts to not get "pushed down" by a swarm of project-related threads.

Mary Woodul
01-17-2005, 07:43 AM
This sounds like a very interesting project and I will be watching with great interest. I will not enter this time because I am not sure I understand and wouldn't want you to have to send a block all the way down here but as I say, curiousity will have me glued to this thread. :D

Printmakerguy
01-17-2005, 08:59 AM
This should be an interesting project, for sure! You will have a few weeks to play with ideas and concepts before you will actually have a block to paint on, as I will not be able to get them made until that time. I am a Merchant Marine officer, and will be on my ship for a while. I still have Internet and E-Mail capabilities while I am there, so I will still be involved.


In the mean time, we need to play with IDEAS. I will post some short 'articles' on the reverspective concept and how it works, so hopefully we'll all understand it by the time we begin painting. If you have any questions, Please don't hesitate to ask!


-Andrew

bjcpaints
01-17-2005, 09:07 AM
Thanks Andrew - I'm signed up!
Barbara

neilhume
01-17-2005, 01:15 PM
I have signed up as I'm hoping I can transfer my most recent painting to this format (the one in the Acrylics thread). I'll try to come up with some other ideas too.

I'm hoping I'll be able to fit this around my work schedule as I'm traveling quite a lot at the moment. Hopefully I'll have enough time at the weekends.

Thanks,

Neil

Diane Cutter
01-17-2005, 01:21 PM
Thanks so much, Andrew, for setting this up... I'm in, too! I've got a million ideas... just need to trap one on the block.

Diane

Printmakerguy
01-17-2005, 03:35 PM
The project is already filling FAST.... We are going to go ahead and get started looking at the basics of the support block that we will all be painting on, and how the illusion works. I will post this first 'Lesson' While we wait for the project to fill.


These drawings are quick and crude- Out of my notebook of goodies- Just enough to get the point across- I hope. If you need further clarification, PLEASE speak up! Remember, there are NO dumb questions....


Illustration #1- The Block-
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2005/36273-Block1.gif
This is pretty much what the block will look like. The area that is actually CLOSEST to the observer, labeled A, is painted to APPEAR farthest away. The outside edge of the block, labeled B, is painted to appear that it is CLOSEST to the observer, although it is actually farther away. The photo below shows 2 of the supports ready to go...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2005/36273-2ready.jpg

When the painting is hung, this is what the observer sees-
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jan-2005/36273-Block2.gif
As you can see, the area that was labeled 'A' above, the 'tip' of the pyramid, is closest to the eye. HOWEVER- This is not what we are expecting. Our mind 'thinks' that it should be farther away, because firstly, that is how paintings are always done, and secondly, we have used some trickery to make it appear that way. What tricks? We are going to cover that in a later installment.

This is the crudely painted, Experimental block that I painted as a trial. Seeing this will hopefully bring it all together. Most of you have seen it in the Acrylics forum before-

Seen head on-
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2005/36273-headon.jpg

And, When the viewer steps to the left-
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2005/36273-toleft.jpg

And, To the right-
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/05-Jan-2005/36273-toright.jpg

Hopefully, it is clear as mud to everyone :)

Next, we will get into deciding WHAT to paint on the block, to get the maximum illusion....

Penny220
01-18-2005, 11:46 AM
What are the dimensions and mitered angles of the blocks? It appears that you are doing these in pieces, wouldn't it be easier to simply cut them out of a solid block?

Printmakerguy
01-18-2005, 10:05 PM
What are the dimensions and mitered angles of the blocks? It appears that you are doing these in pieces, wouldn't it be easier to simply cut them out of a solid block?
The blocks are different sizes, but I have been working MOSTLY with 6 x 6.

I pondered this myself- Solid seemed like it would be easier, BUT you need some pretty massive equipment to do a block that size, my saw doesnt cut that deep. Once I got the mitering process down, it is actually not too hard.

The other 'issue' is that I want to go bigger- the small ones are fun, but I could get so much more in a larger block- And it gets harder to use solid blocks as teh size increases....

You will have to all forgive me- I am back on my ship now and using dial up GASP!) agian- And wont be able to check in as frequently, BUT in the next few days I am going to post more info on constructing the blocks, and dimensions, plans and the like for those who wish to try this on their own. It isnt THAT hard if you have the tools, and is kind of fun!

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
01-22-2005, 04:10 AM
Before we get much further into what we are going to paint on the block, let's take a little more time to look at the support itself, and how it is built. I will be building enough blocks for everyone, BUT I highly encourage those who wish to do so to build their own blocks, it isn't that difficult and is even kind of fun! You will need some tools, and a little know-how, but it is easy.

First of all- Materials. I have tried several materials- MDF, Hardboard (Masonite), and plywood. I have had best luck with a combination of plywood for the sides and masonite for the face. I started with 1/2" ply, and later found that 3/4" was a bit easier to deal with. The first couple of trial blocks were built with BC grade pine ply, but later blocks are 3/4" furniture grade birch. Both work, but the furniture grade is a bit easier to deal with and finishes better.

For tools, I do all the cutting on a table saw. The angles need to be PRETTY accurate, so this is almost a nescesity. I also use a power sander (I have a random orbit, you could use a belt sander or a benchtop sander as well). That is pretty much all you need in the way of tools.

I work from 2' x 2' plywood panels, which are readily availible at the local home improvement center. You CAN just go out and buy a 4' x 8' sheet of plywood, but that is a LOT of material- the 2' panels are a lot easier to deal with. Here is how I go about doing the cuts-

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2005/36273-Build1.jpg


1) Cut a 30 degree bevel in the END of the plywood panel. Then, measure down 4", and cut another 30 degee bevel in the same direction. Viewed from the side, it should look like the drawing. You will now have a piece that is 4" x 2'. Remember that some plywood has a 'good' side and a 'bad' side, you want the bevel on the top to be facing you on the good side.

2) Cut the length of the piece to 4 equal pieces. They will be just under 6"- You have to remember the width of the saw blade when you make your cuts. It is not important that they be EXACTLY 6" (in fact, given the width of the blade, it is impossible to get four 6" pieces out of 2 feet of material), just that they are all exactly the same width.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2005/36273-Build2.jpg

3) On the good side of the ply (which will be the outside of the support), mark the 2" top. Remember, the bevel should face you on the top of the piece. Draw lines from the bottom corner to the corner of the top.

Cut along this line on both sides, with the table saw set at 45 degrees. This miter is required to join the corners.

4) Assemble the sides. Do a 'dry fit' first, with no glue (see photo).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2005/36273-Dryfit.jpg

If you made your cuts right, it should fit pretty well together. I have found it difficult to clamp this, so what I usually do is apply a dot of construction adhesive (I like LocTite power grab for this- it holds instantly) to the middle of the panels, assemble it, then let it dry (see photo)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jan-2005/36273-G_ued.jpg

. After this dries, I go back with a stronger wood glue (usually polyurethane, like Guerilla glue), and fill the seams up with it for strength. Let the block dry completely.

After it is completely dry, I sand the top smooth, the bevels probably aren't 100% correct, so I use a sander with some coarse grit paper to make sure it is all flush.

5) Cut a square of masonite slightly larger than the top, with 30 degree bevels on all 4 sides. Glue it to the top of the support, and let it dry completely.

After it is all dry, sand it all smooth. If there are gaps anywhere, you can fill them with any good wood filler. I use Durhams water putty, it works well and dries FAST. Once the entire thing is sanded smooth, you can prime it. I use a flat white spray primer, you can use pretty much any primer, or you can gesso it as well.

That's all there is to it!

Printmakerguy
01-22-2005, 04:16 AM
Hello all...

Well, I finally have a chance to check in, now that we are back in port. I have been working on a couple of blocks that I brought with me, and have come up with a few interesting designs for future blocks. In addition, I have scanned a paper block that you can play with a bit until I finally get the 'real' blocks sent out. You can enlarge and reduce it in a photocopier to whatever size that you want, glue it onto some card stock, and assemble it. You can try out sketches of different scenes this way before committing to them on the actual block. Find it in the PROGRESS IMAGE GALLERY (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=browse_progress&proj_id=820).

I see that the project is almost full. If there are people that still want to get in on it, I will be keeping a list of alternates. There is a good chance that a spare block or two will be availible, as there are a number of people that are going to try to construct their own blocks. Also, if someone opts out, their slot will open. Send me a PM with the subject "ALTERNATE" and I will add you to the list...

Anyone working on sketches/ideas?? Let's see some posts in the progress area!! I posted some sketches to check out, too!

-Andrew

Ginger Lee
01-22-2005, 12:03 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44355

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/36273/tn_MainSt.jpg

Oh I really like this idea. I was actually thinking of something that resembled an art gallery with paintings along the walls with on at the far end. Then I get to do miniatures as well as your project.

Printmakerguy
01-22-2005, 04:05 PM
Oh I really like this idea. I was actually thinking of something that resembled an art gallery with paintings along the walls with on at the far end. Then I get to do miniatures as well as your project.

THanks...

Check out the link to Patrick Huges page, he has several that are done to resemble art galleries, with exact copies of famous paintings in them! Really neat...

Lorijo
01-22-2005, 09:14 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44355

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/36273/tn_MainSt.jpg

This looks super so far, are you going to add people? Lori

Printmakerguy
01-25-2005, 08:49 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44373

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/7448/tn_block1.JPG
Nice to see that you are experimenting!!

Perspective is TOUGH to master, this project is certainly a help in that. Makes you think about it in different ways!

Objects like people seem to be very tough to add to this sort of painting. try to keep them on one panel, for example the side only... Otherwise, it just doesnt work right when you do the 'trick'... They are distorted.

I have a WHOLE bunch of design tips that I am putting together, but I have to do some sketches and things, and will get to them soon... Hopefully, they will help the design process a bit...

Love where you are going, though! Can't wait to see more!

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
01-25-2005, 08:57 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44391

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/54771/tn_blockproject1.jpg

This concept looks like it will work quite well!!

One tip I will offer is for the floor- It looks like you have boards running the width of the block. This is fine, and will work- BUT I have found that the more lines you have running the length of the block, towards the vanishing point, the stronger the illusion...

-Andrew

neilhume
01-26-2005, 06:11 PM
Thanks Andrew, if I go with that design I will put in boards the other way round as I'm certain you're correct. When I did the painting I wasn't sure what would work best and I basically decided on that way round to mirror what was happening up top. I could probably do something different on the top part also to achieve the same effect.

I'm working on other ideas now but I'm away from home so won't be able to post anything until the weekend. I'm thinking about including buildings but I've never really painted a building before (at least, not at all well), so I'm not sure where that will end up.

leverettfinn
01-26-2005, 07:38 PM
Shoot! You are full up!

I'll be watching with interest!

What a generous guy... and an interesting idea!

Lauren

Printmakerguy
01-26-2005, 07:48 PM
Lesson III- Basics of design-

I don't pretend to be an expert at all on this at all, but thought that I would share the information that I have put together while I researched this concept over the past few months. Hopefully, it will provide you with some information to help you decide what you want to put on the block, and how exactly to go about doing it.

The sky is pretty much the limit when it comes to what you decide to put on your block. You could do an interior scene, a landscape, cityscape- or even something totally abstract. Really, it doesn't matter WHAT you put on the block, but to get maximum effect, there are a few things that you should remember.

I find it easiest to sketch the blocks head-on. It is easier for me to visualize them in this way, and translate this into the 3 dimensions of the actual block. I draw a simple box, with another box centered in it (see sketch A), and then fill it in from there. See some of my examples in the STUDIO (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=browse_progress&proj_id=820).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jan-2005/36273-A.jpg SKETCH A

To make layout easy, I put lines on the sketch (and later the block as well) that go from the edge to the vanishing point (see sketch B). The easiest way that I have found to lay these out is to find two lines on the block, one of which is 2" and the other 4" (the actual dimensions don't matter- just that they are proportional to one another). Then, I put marks every 1/4" on the short line, and every 1/2" on the longer line (the longer line is twice the length of the short one, the marks are spaced twice as far apart). Then, I connect the lines, through the vanishing point in the middle to the edge of the block. I now have guidelines for my drawing!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jan-2005/36273-B.jpg SKETCH B

Now for a few basics that will help you come up with an image that works well with the illusion. Visualize the block. The vanishing point, which we want to appear to the viewer as the FARTHEST point from them, is in actuality the CLOSEST point. The mind ''automatically" switches this around when we see it, because that is how it "should" be, and we will provide a little bit of help, or trickery rather, to aid in this.

First, we are going to force an illusion of depth by varying the size of objects, making them smaller as we get closer to the vanishing point. Doors get smaller, people shrink, and so on. As we move back to the vanishing point, everything should get proportionally smaller, which is where the guidelines help a lot. Take a look at my quick sketch of the doors, (Sketch C). They get smaller as they go, but this is an illusion of depth- We assume that they are actually the same size, but that they are getting farther from us.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jan-2005/36273-C.jpg SKETCH C

To further assist this illusion, we are going to use more trickery- We are going to vary the color and/or tone to create further depth illusion. By painting what appears to be farther away DARKER, we force the mind to place it farther back yet again. Refer to sketch C again, I have tried to achieve this on the door side. Notice how it becomes darker as we move to the 'back' of the room.

Another way to do this, which comes in to play in a landscape or cityscape more so than in a room, is blurring details that are supposed to be distant. Paint foreground items sharp and defined, and items that are in the background somewhat looser and less defined, and with less detail, just as you would on a flat canvas to simulate depth. This can be VERY effective.

On the subject of the design itself, as I mentioned previously, you can use pretty much anything that you want, but to get maximum effect, there are a few things to keep in mind. First, you want to do as much as possible to draw the eye to the vanishing point. I find that the most effective ways to do this are to make the vanishing point the focal point of the painting, and also using as many lines as possible leading the eye from the edges of the painting to the vanishing point.

For a focal point, you don't need to go wild, just put something of interest in the far end of the painting to draw the viewer in. In a room, this could be a door or a window rather than a blank wall, in a landscape a mountain, tree- pretty much anything. Just put SOMETHING interesting there, and the viewer will naturally focus on it, which is exactly what you need to get the maximum out of the illusion.

Lines leading to the center are the most effective way to get maximum effect that I have found yet. I find the more lines you have, the greater the 'bending' effect when the painting is viewed. Lines running the LENGHTH of the painting, towards the vanishing point, are far more effective than those running the width of the painting, parallel to the vanishing point (See sketch D). A combination of both lines can also be very effective- Think checkerboard floors, or railroad tracks. This doesn't mean that you CAN'T use horizontal lines- just remember that the effect isn't as strong. A few great ways to get lines running the length of the painting are wood or checker floors, roads, fences, power lines- and so on.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/26-Jan-2005/36273-D.jpg SKETCH D
The best way to tell if something is going to work out is to try it. Draw it, but remember that things work differently when you translate them into the 3-d world of the actual block. This is where paper models come in handy, build a couple of them, draw some sketches on them, and see how things work. Trust me, it will be addictive- I have sketched in my book for probably 30 blocks that I want to paint. Now, all I need is the time to do them!!

Hopefully, this post will be helpful in designing your block. If you have any questions, refer to the reference links, or feel free to PM or E-Mail me, and I will try to help out as much as possible. Most importantly, make sure you post some of your ideas and sketches in the studio, as inspiration and help for others....

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
01-26-2005, 07:50 PM
I see that the project is now full- As I mentioned, I will be maintaining a list of alternates, so send me a PM if you are interested.

I have been working on a few blocks this week, doing some tests on things to see what size block is most effective for the project... There are actually 2 of us acting as guinea pigs, to get the kinks worked out of things before I actually build all the blocks.

I posted my block WIP's in the Studio, Check them out!

Printmakerguy
01-26-2005, 07:53 PM
I'm thinking about including buildings but I've never really painted a building before (at least, not at all well), so I'm not sure where that will end up.

Don't let that stop you! I have never really painted ANYTHING. I am new to painting- Search for WC threads started by me and you will see every painting that I have ever done- All 5-10 of them... I am not a painter by any means!

GO FOR IT!

leverettfinn
01-27-2005, 07:36 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44450

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/36273/tn_RoomTopSM.jpg

This reminds me of one of my flying dreams :D ...So interesting...I need to make a paper model to try out some things!

Lauren

Lorijo
01-27-2005, 09:18 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44452

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/36273/tn_UrbanIHeadOnSM.jpg

All yours are looking so cool! I was trying some photography ones, wasn't working out at all. I was doing the top lighter, and then of course it catches the light so its way-lighter. Jumps right out at you, not the look we want. I was thinking aereal aireal (spelling? :p ) perspective where mountains and stuff get lighter as they go back in distance. Lori

bjcpaints
01-27-2005, 12:20 PM
Hi Andrew and all! Just checking in here. I have been thinking about painting a room such as a livingroom or kitchen. I will be freed up more after this weekend and should get some drawings done and posted "in progress". Thanks again for this unique project! Can't wait to see what others are cooking up. Love the miniature Gallery idea!
Barbara

Ginger Lee
01-27-2005, 10:08 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44450

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/36273/tn_RoomTopSM.jpg

I would like to see it from the end so we can see the full
effect.

Printmakerguy
01-28-2005, 08:08 PM
I would like to see it from the end so we can see the full
effect.

This is the Head-On view-

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/36273/RoomAboveSM.jpg

Printmakerguy
01-29-2005, 08:13 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44480

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/54771/tn_reverspective1c.jpg

I like this!!

I have some sketches in my book with canals/arches, but they are surreal, not of an actual place like amsterdam... This could work very well!

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
01-29-2005, 08:14 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44482

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/54771/tn_reverspective2a.jpg

Also a nice one, and could work... Perhaps it just needs something more to draw the viewers eye to the center? Just a though...

-Andrew

Lorijo
01-29-2005, 08:34 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44480

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/54771/tn_reverspective1c.jpg

This looks real cool to me, it looks like its going back to the background. Lori

neilhume
01-29-2005, 11:07 PM
Thanks for your positive comments! I wish I could do several actual blocks for this as I know I'm going to have problems deciding which one to do. I'm really looking forward to seeing everyones work - I know there's going to be a lot of inspiration for regular paintings.

Printmakerguy
02-07-2005, 07:43 PM
Well- I am going to be off my ship in just under a week, and back on DRY LAND :clap:

That means that blocks are going to be made SOON. That also means that I need your address! Please PM me your mailing info in the next week or so, and as soon as the blocks are ready, I will get them out... I am going to try to have them all out within about 2 weeks, barring any problems in the workshop!

Also, If for some reason you are unable to complete the project due to something coming up, PLEASE let me know, as there are a couple of alternates.

I got another Reverse Perspective painting finished, which I will photograph once I am back ashore... I have posted new material in the Exhibit area as well. Check it out!

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
02-14-2005, 05:08 PM
Well, I will be coughing up sawdust for the next couple of weeks, but the blocks are all cut, and the glue is drying! I have a bit more sanding to do on them, one more 'part' to glue on, and then they will be ready to send out. For those who are interested- this is the approx. size that they ended up, I modified them to make them easier to build in a 'production' environment- Warning- BAD text- based graphics to follow :rolleyes:


2" On Face
.......--
.../.....\ 4" Deep
../____\
... 6" On Base

Those are approximate dimensions, they are actually a BIT smaller because of the width of the saw blade, I was trying to squeeze as many as possible out of the material.

The final blocks ended up being made from MDF (medium density fiberboard)- It was inexpensive and seems to work pretty well...

I have some addresses,but need the rest! If you have not done so, PLEASE PM me with your mailing info, so I can get the blocks out next week!

Once you get your block, you will have to do a little finish work on your own, some sanding, perhaps some filling, and priming... Nothing too hard. Then- Paint time!

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
02-14-2005, 05:10 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44823

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/54771/tn_trial.jpg

Looks Good!! This should work well...

neilhume
02-14-2005, 06:46 PM
Thanks Andrew, I hope it does work well, I'm still not sure which one to do. I don't want to end up feeling like I wasted a block by realising part way through that I should have picked something else.

I love the final images you have posted (by the way, how do you do that animation thing?). Having seen the effectiveness of the bold colours in it I'm wondering if it's actually more effective to use bolder colours?

Lorijo
02-14-2005, 07:16 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44853

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/completed/36273/tn_Canaln.gif

I love this one! Very cool. I just read somewhere about using a polariser filter to get rid of the glare in paintings. Lori

Ginger Lee
02-15-2005, 12:05 AM
Once you get your block, you will have to do a little finish work on your own, some sanding, perhaps some filling, and priming... Nothing too hard. Then- Paint time!

-Andrew
Hey a little finish work is nothing compared to what you've had to put in these. Thank you Andrew for all your hard work. Looking forward to getting started on that project.

Printmakerguy
02-15-2005, 09:08 AM
Thanks Andrew, I hope it does work well, I'm still not sure which one to do. I don't want to end up feeling like I wasted a block by realising part way through that I should have picked something else.


It will probably be a tough choice, but don't worry TOO much- You can always paint it over if you don't like the results! I have done that a number of times.



I love the final images you have posted (by the way, how do you do that animation thing?). Having seen the effectiveness of the bold colours in it I'm wondering if it's actually more effective to use bolder colours?

Thanks. I am going to try to get some better images up there soon, Once I get some of my 10 zillion projects out of the way (I have 2 paintings not yet done, about a dozen linocuts to print, and carpeting to install... Grrr).

As for the animations, They are just animated GIF's. I do them in Photoshop, but most image editing software will let you do them, or you can download software to make them, too (do a google search). They are LOW quality, because WetCanvas doesn't allow attachments over 100k. I would like to see some quality MPEG or Quicktime movies done, I am working on that...

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
02-16-2005, 10:28 AM
I have a batch of blocks that should go out today, so keep an eye on the mail box... If you haven't sent me your address yet (you got a PM today if it was missing) please do so, so I can get the last couple out on my NEXT trip to the post office.

When you get the block, you will have to do a few things to it to ready it for painting. First of all, I TRIED to be as careful as possible when I cut everything, BUT they aren't perfect, there are some small gaps here and there at the joints, that need to be filled. You can use any good wood filler for this- I use Durhams water putty myself. Once you fill the small gaps, sand it all smooth, and prime it.

I usually seal the block with a spray primer, generally sandable flat white. Then, I sand it smooth. It is a good idea to prime the inside as well as the outside, to control moisture absorbtion problems down the line.

Once the primer is dry and sanded smooth, I sometimes do a couple of coats of gesso over the top of that. This is optional, but if you want a really smooth painting surface, it helps. Sand this down, and you are done!

I am looking forward to seeing what happens here! Try to remember to take WIP photos for the studio, and post them! I hope everyone has as much fun with this as I do!

-Andrew

BTW- I am thinking about how to best display the final images- and came up with a POSSIBLE solution- When we have all completed our blocks, I was thinking that we could SCAN them (a seperate scan for each side of the block), then post each panel, that way each of us can print them out, assemble them into 3-d blocks, and experience the whole effect... I will give it a shot with one of mine, so you can see what I am talking about...

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
02-16-2005, 10:56 AM
I scanned all 5 sides of one of my blocks, and posted them in the Gallery (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=browse_final2&userid=36273&proj_id=820). If you want to 'experience' it first hand, print them out, glue it on cardstock, put it together, and enjoy!


-Andrew

bjcpaints
02-18-2005, 02:18 PM
Hi Andrew,
I have my wood putty and sand paper ready! Can't wait to start my painting!
Barbara

Lorijo
02-18-2005, 03:20 PM
Hi Andrew, I got my block already, thanks loads! Waiting for my wood putty to dry now. Lori

neilhume
02-18-2005, 07:08 PM
Hi Andrew, I got my block already, thanks loads! Waiting for my wood putty to dry now. Lori

Maybe that's what the postal service failed to deliver to me today - now I'll probably have to wait until next week to get it, unless they try to deliver again tomorrow. It's strange though as most packages end up in the apartment building main office. It's even more annoying because my fiancee was working from home today so if they'd bothered knocking on the door..... I suppose that's the level of service you get if you live in an apartment.

leverettfinn
02-18-2005, 08:04 PM
:clap: my block came today! Thanks so much Andrew....going to do my prep work now :D :clap:

Lauren

Printmakerguy
02-18-2005, 10:55 PM
Glad to hear that the blocks are arriving safely... I have a few yet to send (people who were later getting the address to me), but most should arrive within a few days. Some went parcel post, others priority, oddly enough on some of them it was about the same cost or a few cents more for priority, depending on zip code...

I am working on another as we speak, on a larger (about 12") block... Bigger has it's advantages, for sure. I also posted the latest one, a slightly different format, in the gallery (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44993). This is a different support altogether, but the concept is the same. My neighbor stopped by to say HI today, and she had to sit down after seeing this... In person, the effect is BEYOND bizzare...

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
02-18-2005, 11:03 PM
Another side note-

A number of people have asked how they can compensate me for time/materials/postage. As I mentioned in the project description, I don't require any compensation, but if you want to, there are 2 ways-

1) You can tell by the label about what it cost to send out, usually about $4-$5 or so. There is about $1 in packing materials (box), and a couple of bucks in materials for the block. If you feel a desire to do so, You can PayPal a couple dollars to me, OR-

2) Prefered method, send me some artwork! I am not expecting you to send me a huge masterpeice- And I realize as a printmaker I am spoiled in that I have multiple orriginals to send out as gifts, BUT I do collect art, and enjoy all sorts of it! Artist Trading cards are great, or whatever you have lying around...

Again, I don't expect anything from anyone- If you paint your block and post it, You have filled your end of the bargain- so don't feel that you have to do anything.

Have fun with the blocks!

Andrew

Ginger Lee
02-19-2005, 12:47 AM
Andrew,
Thank you so much, I got mine today. Being in accounting I'm working 10 or 11 hours a day right now and am having trouble finding time to paint so it may be after April 15th before I get mine done, but I will get it done!
By the way, my husband says you are obviously a better carpenter than he is as mine is so well put together.

lisilk
02-21-2005, 01:24 AM
Fascinating project ( and great leadership Andrew. ) I'm too late to sign up but I may give it a go anyway. I needed a project to jump start me after my moving slump.

Great project idea ! Can't wait to see what everyone comes up with.

Li

Printmakerguy
02-21-2005, 09:08 PM
Fascinating project ( and great leadership Andrew. ) I'm too late to sign up but I may give it a go anyway. I needed a project to jump start me after my moving slump.

Great project idea ! Can't wait to see what everyone comes up with.

Li

Can't make any promises, but there MIGHT be an extra block, if you are interested...

lisilk
02-21-2005, 10:07 PM
P.M.ing you as we speak. :cat: Thanks ! ( Just in case you have an extra block. :wink2: )

Li

lisilk
02-22-2005, 01:32 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44993

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/completed/36273/tn_36273-SpaceAnimSmall.gif

I'm confused as to where the top ( bottom ? .. the small square ) is but I love the sci- fi elements. Are these multiple blocks like the Patrick Hughes creations ?

Even tho I'm an unofficial participant, I will be making a paper model this week to try to visualize the concept better.

This would be a great exercise for kids to understand perspective. ( And me for that matter.)

Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44823

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/54771/tn_trial.jpg

This is looking great. Both of your designs should work well on the blocks.

Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44375

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/7448/tn_block3.JPG

Looks like you are having fun experimenting. Good idea, the cut out. Looking forward to your finished piece.

Li

leverettfinn
02-22-2005, 02:02 PM
HI :wave: ...
Home from Traverse City (MI)....saw the Patrick Hughes show there!!! (Thanks so much Andrew for mentioning it) Absolutely awesome! Now home with lots of ideas spinning in my head of things to paint on my block! (Andrew gave a link in the project description to Patrick Hughes work)

Lauren :clap:

Printmakerguy
02-22-2005, 03:26 PM
HI :wave: ...
Home from Traverse City (MI)....saw the Patrick Hughes show there!!! (Thanks so much Andrew for mentioning it) Absolutely awesome! Now home with lots of ideas spinning in my head of things to paint on my block! (Andrew gave a link in the project description to Patrick Hughes work)

Lauren :clap:

Aren't those absolutly INCREDIBLE in real life? It is one thing to see them on the web- But not even a video can capture the true effect- It is something that has to be seen up close and in person.

The best thing about that show is watching the other people look at the paintings- Watching them move from side to side, and bob up and down to get the effect. It is LOADS of fun...


-Andrew

Printmakerguy
02-22-2005, 03:30 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44993

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/completed/36273/tn_36273-SpaceAnimSmall.gif

I'm confused as to where the top ( bottom ? .. the small square ) is but I love the sci- fi elements. Are these multiple blocks like the Patrick Hughes creations ?


This is a different format altogether than the blocks being used in the project- It is actually 3 blocks, just like a patrick hughes painting... I changed the measurements a bit, but kept a lot of it the same. They are something of a pain to build, however... Lots of angles!! This block wasn't perfect, but I found creative ways to conceal that!

-Andrew

bjcpaints
02-23-2005, 09:57 AM
It came in the mail last night! Yay! I am so excited - I will post my sketches when I get home tonite. I have not made a final decision. Thank you Andrew!!
Barbara

Printmakerguy
02-24-2005, 12:04 PM
The last batch of blocks is headed out today, so if yours isnt there yet- Dont worry- It is probably here! I have been busier than normal this week, and this is my first chance to get to the post office.

Can't wait to see what happens!

-Andrew

bjcpaints
02-24-2005, 08:47 PM
I put up a few ideas of mine in the progress area and please be warned they are just ideas. I'm not great at drawing and I'm hoping my painting will be much nicer. Thanks again Andrew. May I send you a painted rock? Do you like animals? I will repost when I decide where I'm going with this. I already have my block sanded and ready to prime! I need to work out the perspective- you'll see that, and to decide on color and details. This is so much fun! I still have 1 or 2 ideas I want to see on paper and think about. This project has really got me thinking; and in a very different way at that!
Barbara

bjcpaints
02-25-2005, 08:58 AM
I'm having a lot of ideas for this now - some may work, some not. I'm not going to draw them all so I thought I would share. Anyone may use my ideas- I have no problem with that - we would all end up painting them differently anyway. In the Basic Drawing 101 course, in the Drawing and Sketching forum here, I did a descending staircase (circular)which could be applied to our block. The other ideas I have are:train tracks going toward a train tunnel, the Metro (Montreal subway), a movie theater (with the center aisle), a hallway of doors (this from a recurring dream of mine), a straight staircase going down, the yelow brick road, and an escalator. Usually I have a hard time coming up with ideas so I thought I would throw these out to anyone who wants to use them.
Barbara

Printmakerguy
02-25-2005, 09:06 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45179

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/49636/tn_rvp2.jpg
The basic idea could work very well, However I would avoid anything TOO large on the side walls. The reason is, if the object is dimensional, and is SUPPOSED to be stickink away from the wall, when our perspective changes on it, and we sway over to another side, we expect the object (the sofa in this case) to remain in view- In fact, it should become MORE visisble... I hope this makes sense. You are better off painting things that are close to the wall, for example picture frames, windows, doors, etc...

Take a peek at the room that I did (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=240908), and the rooms that Kreg Yingst (http://members.cox.net/sherriyingst/opticalindex.html) does. Little or nothing protruding from the walls. You have to be careful- Everything that you do needs to trick the eye into reversing the image so the illusion works!

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
02-25-2005, 09:09 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45180

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/49636/tn_rvp3.jpg

This would certainly work well. It is going to combine a lot of elements that will help fool the viewer. First, The floors would probably be wood plank, which will give you lots of lines to draw the eye back into the painting. Then, you have the bowling pins, which make a great focal point.

Your other ideas sound good, too! Patrick Hughes has a train tunnel in his book, which looks really cool. Perhaps you should do the hallway with doors- The dream could be a sign??

Andrew

Printmakerguy
02-25-2005, 09:11 AM
Just a quick note, ALL the blocks went out YESTERDAY, so you will be getting them shortly.... Most were priority mail, with the exception of the international ones, which went air post, 4-7 days.... I opted NOT to go with surface mail- UP TO 2 MONTHS!

The funny thing is the ones going to canada were the toughest ones to mail out- They are VERY particular about how the box is labelled...

-Andrew

bjcpaints
02-25-2005, 12:15 PM
This would certainly work well. It is going to combine a lot of elements that will help fool the viewer. First, The floors would probably be wood plank, which will give you lots of lines to draw the eye back into the painting. Then, you have the bowling pins, which make a great focal point. Your other ideas sound good, too! Patrick Hughes has a train tunnel in his book, which looks really cool. Perhaps you should do the hallway with doors- The dream could be a sign??
Andrew

Thanks Andrew and I see what you mean about having furniture and such sticking out from the walls. Sorry my quick sketch of a bowling lane was on its side! Yes, That would be a good one to refine and try out. I may have to actually step foot into a bowling alley for research. LOL
I am going to pm you about your address - it got covered up with the packing label on the box.
Barbara
ps the dream as been recurring for years! Usually its like a dark attic passageway with lots of twists and turns.

Lady Carol
02-28-2005, 10:38 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44449

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/36273/tn_RoomRightSm.jpg

You make this look so easy. From a tactical point of view, thinking backwards is a callenge.

Marge Cline
02-28-2005, 01:27 PM
Just to let you know, my blockgot here last week and as soon as I finish up a couple of other projects, will start on it. In the meantime, I'm thinking about ideas to paint. Thanks for all your work on this project.

Marge Cline

Diane Cutter
02-28-2005, 03:37 PM
I've got my block puttied, primed but won't be able to paint until after the 13th most likely... but that is first on my list of things when we get back from our trip...

Diane

neilhume
02-28-2005, 04:45 PM
I finally have the block in my hands after a bit of an argument with USPS (my apartment building has a concierge that accepts packages, there are large lockers with keys designed for use by USPS for packages that won't fit in the mailbox - the keys should get put in the mailbox, and my fiancee was home when they "tried" to deliver it - twice!!! and after the first time I left instructions in the mailbox). Eventually I just went and picked it up from the post office.

Anyway, I intended to go and get the primer and so on tonight but bad weather hit a couple of hours ago so it'll be tomorrow night before I get started. I can't wait to get going now I have this wonderful box to paint on (thanks again Andrew).

Neil

Printmakerguy
02-28-2005, 06:34 PM
You make this look so easy. From a tactical point of view, thinking backwards is a callenge.

Thanks :)

Thinking backwards is a challenge, for sure!! I think that my printmaking background helps, though- after all, printmakers have to do EVERYTHING backwards to get it to print right :D

Printmakerguy
02-28-2005, 06:36 PM
Glad to hear all the blocks are arriving safe and sound :clap:

I dont want anyone to feel rushed at all- Paint when you can! There is no deadline... Just have fun with it.

I am working on my 6th reverse perspective now... I think that I am addicted...

-Andrew

Lady Carol
03-01-2005, 11:18 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45334

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/11811/tn_reverseP.JPG

Is it starting to work? I think I should have used my other flash so you got a better pic of the left side.

bjcpaints
03-01-2005, 02:14 PM
That looks very interesting Lady Carol. It is dark on the left though - maybe you could lighten it?

Printmakerguy
03-02-2005, 08:47 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45334

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/11811/tn_reverseP.JPG

Looking good!!

I like the look of this one, The trees and path will draw you in to the middle- Just like they are supposed to!!

Thinking backwards like that is a challenge at first, but it is also half the fun of the project!! At this point, you should be able to step back a bit and see the effect first hand, too. This is when it gets fun!!

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
03-02-2005, 09:07 AM
A few tips for displaying, lighting and photographing-

Since there are some people out there busily painting away, I thought I would post some info on how to best display and light these buggers.

First- Display. I mount mine on a PLAIN, GREY backboard, made of plywood. I like to have about a 2-3" border all around, to serve as a frame. My house has kind of wild colors on the walls, so I generally matt all my artwork with a neutral grey to provide seperation- See the example on 'Doors to Space'-

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Mar-2005/36273-space.jpg

Hang them close to eye level, for the greatest effect. You also want to hang them so that the viewer has room to move around and 'explore' the piece.


Now, LIGHTING. They need to be lit directly, from multiple sources. You want to avoid any shadows, as they will tend to ruin or lessen the effect. I have track lighting, so it is very easy for me to adjust the lights as required to light mine perfectly.

Photographing these is also a problem. I usually try to light them well, and take the photo from a tripod without flash. Flash tends to cause harsh shadows and glare. Now, I will stress that I am certainly not a photographer by any means, but this is what has worked for me.

On nice days, I just bring them outside, put them on the ground, and photograph them from above....

-andrew

bjcpaints
03-04-2005, 11:18 AM
Re: this entry by Lady Carol
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45342

Hope I did this right - Carol, this is wonderful!!!! Such a great idea too! It looks great in the "finished " gallery [ic - so much better than the dark pic you had in the thread here - now I can really see it and I love it!
Barbara

Oh, I am working on the bowling lane! Shhhh......its going to be a birthday present for my DH.

Printmakerguy
03-04-2005, 11:42 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45342

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/completed/11811/tn_IMG_2903-2.jpg

Looks good!!

Do you get that odd 'twisting' feeling when you look at it and move from side to side? If so, it was a sucsess!! It appears that it will work, but it is SO hard to tell in 2-d, you really have to see it in person!!

-Andrew

leverettfinn
03-04-2005, 01:02 PM
I couldn't upload into the progress image section...because the project is full....but here is my sketch....I was thinking (always scary :D ) that you could probably create a sketch that could be stretched in photoshop to be painted on the angled surfaces to make the painting go a bit easier...I'm trying to make the "back" wall on the left, (through the doorway) on the same plane as the front door.....the large wall hanging on the right side is to be a detailed quilt...and that's why I'm trying to figure out a simpler way to transfer the sketch to the surface! :rolleyes:

I know I know...quit thinking and start painting :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Mar-2005/27711-LWF0006.jpg

Just realized...figures are back lit...and I will put their shadows on the rug in the house....

Printmakerguy
03-04-2005, 03:20 PM
This looks great!

I think it will work well.

Transfering the image from the flat 2-d plane of a sketch to the 3-d world of the block is a challenge, but it gets easier as you go. Once you have done 2 or 3, it becomes second nature!!

I can't wait to see this one finished...

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
03-04-2005, 04:14 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45439

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/36273/tn_UrbanSM.gif

Posted the latest update on my newest Reverse Perspective... This one is coming along, slowly... SO many other projects at the moment, I am only getting 1 or 2 hours a day in on this one... Oh well...

I have another block sitting there ready to go, too- I think that it is going to be a room from above...


-Andrew

Lady Carol
03-04-2005, 04:54 PM
Alright, I'll bite.....
I have a static picture which doesn't really convey the depth. How do you get it to be animated?

Ginger Lee
03-05-2005, 12:33 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45342

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/completed/11811/tn_IMG_2903-2.jpg

Carol, this is really pretty. You did a very nice job with it.

Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44556

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/completed/36273/tn_AnimI.gif
Andrew, I think this is my favorite of the ones you've done so far. Looks like it took a bit of time.
I'm hoping to get mine sealed and sanded this weekend so that I can get the drawing laid out on the block.

Printmakerguy
03-05-2005, 12:43 AM
Alright, I'll bite.....
I have a static picture which doesn't really convey the depth. How do you get it to be animated?

I use animated GIF's, it is the only way to do it on this site (because of the size restriction. To make them "move", I take a series of pictures, starting from one side and moving to the other. It is important to stay the same distance from the painting, and kind of move in an 'arc' in front of it. I usually take 5 or so pics.

Most nicer photo editing programs allow you to make animations, I use Photoshop elements... If your photo program doesn't allow this, you can download a number of them that do from any shareware/freeware site.

If all else fails, or you don't feel comfortable enough on the computer to attempt doing the animation yourself, I can do it for you... Just send me the pics of the block and I will edit them as required... The only drawback is that they will loose a lot of detail, in order to make the file small enough...

-andrew

Printmakerguy
03-05-2005, 12:45 AM
Andrew, I think this is my favorite of the ones you've done so far. Looks like it took a bit of time.

Thanks, I like that one, too! It works really well. I actually painted that one while I was on the ship, so I had PLENTY of time to spare...

-andrew

Lady Carol
03-05-2005, 07:37 PM
Thanks for the info. I have Photoshop Elements. :clap: :clap: I will have to experiment. :D

Ginger Lee
03-05-2005, 07:59 PM
:clap: :clap: :clap: I finally got my block sanded and gessoed. I've got my idea for the block and hopefully I can draw my idea on the block tonight or tomorrow. I can't wait to get started so I guess that means I have to quit reading WC forums huh?

Printmakerguy
03-06-2005, 08:18 AM
:clap: :clap: :clap: I finally got my block sanded and gessoed. I've got my idea for the block and hopefully I can draw my idea on the block tonight or tomorrow. I can't wait to get started so I guess that means I have to quit reading WC forums huh?

Can't wait to see the results!

Remember to take some WIP pics as you work- I find this useful for future reference, and fun to share!

-Andrew

neilhume
03-06-2005, 08:55 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45342

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/completed/11811/tn_IMG_2903-2.jpg

This is fantastic. It would be great to see it's full effect.

neilhume
03-06-2005, 08:58 AM
I got on a roll yesterday and plan on finishing today; which is a good thing as I'm pretty much away from home solidly for the next 3 or 4 weeks. I'm definitely getting addicted so I will have to work out a way to make some of my own - not easy because I have no space to do that sort of work. I might have to get everything together and drive up to MA for a weekend to my future in-laws place and just work on some.

lisilk
03-06-2005, 03:53 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45342

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/completed/11811/tn_IMG_2903-2.jpg

Uh.. yeah... it works. It's gorgeous ! :clap: You're a natural.

Li

Back from week off and my block arrived. :clap: Thank you Andrew for letting me play too.

Ginger Lee
03-06-2005, 10:48 PM
Can't wait to see the results!

Remember to take some WIP pics as you work- I find this useful for future reference, and fun to share!

-Andrew
Actually, I posted my first WIP last night. I was going to work on it some more today but my 4 year old granddaughter came to visit. So she got my attention rather than my block. Let me know what you think, suggestions comments.

Printmakerguy
03-06-2005, 10:53 PM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45486

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/55358/tn_RP2.JPG

I like this concept a lot- Looking good so far, too!!

You are getting a LOT of detail in your paintings, too... Much more skill than I have as a painter!

Can't wait to see this one done- It should be GREAT!!

-Andrew

Ginger Lee
03-07-2005, 12:20 AM
Thanks for the comments Andrew. I get myself in trouble because of my detail. I've been doing postcards for the postcard exchange. If you get a chance to check out that project do. Some of the finished postcards are just beautiful.
http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=browse_final_all&proj_id=829
Great project, has given me a lot of practice. I'm glad I sign up for both yours and the post card exchange.

Oh I did post my latest WIP. I finished another of the paintings and got most of the final painting done.

Printmakerguy
03-07-2005, 07:13 AM
Regarding this entry --> http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=45515

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/55358/tn_RP_WIP_2.jpg

Really looking good...

When you get to the floors and ceiling, there are a few things that you can do to make them really 'pop'- Try to use some sort of floor pattern that is dominated by lines running the length of the room, for example a wood floor, tile floor, etc. This continues the illusion, and draws the eye into the painting. The same thing goes for the ceiling- Some sort of tile- or anything that creates lines running to the vanishing point... Everything that you can do to draw the viewer in helps!

I have also used crown moulding and baseboards to provide these lines...

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
03-07-2005, 07:19 AM
I'm definitely getting addicted so I will have to work out a way to make some of my own - not easy because I have no space to do that sort of work.

I know the feeling... I live in a kind of small space, and I live on the water, so I have no basement of any kind. I have a townhouse, and no space for a workshop, so when I have a project like this to work on, I have to move my car out from the parking space under my house and set up shop there. When I Am done, all the tools, including the big power tools, get packed back up in the outside closet, which is (inconvineintly enough) on my 2nd floor balcony... Oh well, at least it isn't on the 3rd floor :)

But, these are fun, and VERY addictive... If you want to do one that will really get you hooked, try one of the rotating doors (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44993)- The animation can hardly do this justice, the illusion is UNREAL. It looks just like the doors are swinging, revealing what is behind them...

They require a BIT of work from a construction standpoint, BUT they are well worth it, if anyone wants details on how to build the support, I can provide them...

-Andrew

Ginger Lee
03-07-2005, 11:21 AM
I made an attempt to do a GIF of my WIP but it wouldn't load. I tried resizing it and it said it downloaded but it didn't work so I ended up deleting it. So unfortunately mine will have to be static rather than animated.

I have a couple ideas to draw the eye down the "hall" but haven't as yet come up with the exact specifics. Got to think about it a little more.

neilhume
03-07-2005, 09:19 PM
I know the feeling... I live in a kind of small space, and I live on the water, so I have no basement of any kind. I have a townhouse, and no space for a workshop, so when I have a project like this to work on, I have to move my car out from the parking space under my house and set up shop there. When I Am done, all the tools, including the big power tools, get packed back up in the outside closet, which is (inconvineintly enough) on my 2nd floor balcony... Oh well, at least it isn't on the 3rd floor :)

But, these are fun, and VERY addictive... If you want to do one that will really get you hooked, try one of the rotating doors (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=44993)- The animation can hardly do this justice, the illusion is UNREAL. It looks just like the doors are swinging, revealing what is behind them...

They require a BIT of work from a construction standpoint, BUT they are well worth it, if anyone wants details on how to build the support, I can provide them...

-Andrew

I was thinking of buying somewhere next year but now I've already started to look around so at the very least I'd be in the same situation as you. I would love details on how to construct any of these things. I might even have a go at designing some of my own one day.

Well, I did actually finish painting before I came away but unfortunately I didn't have time to take the photos and post them before I left. They'll be there by the weekend.

lisilk
03-07-2005, 10:13 PM
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This is looking REALLY COOL Ginger ! Your itty- bitty paintings rock but I really have the feeling of the walls coming towards me. Can't wait to see it finished. Isn't this stuff amazing ? ( I'll say it again, great project idea Andrew. )

Printmakerguy
03-07-2005, 10:40 PM
Isn't this stuff amazing ? ( I'll say it again, great project idea Andrew. )

Thanks. I really enjoy this, it forces you to really think about perspective, and how the eye and mind work both with and against each other when we view art. I have to be careful, though- My house is being overrun by moving pictures...

I am exploring all sorts of optical art, in addition to these... Have found lots of interesting things. I am in the early stages of 'cooking up' yet another project- Dealing with percieved motion and the periphrial drift illusion- Some strange stuff. I have paintings that seem to move and flow, although in real life, they are not... They are flat, still paintings. It is fun stuff.

-Andrew

Ginger Lee
03-08-2005, 10:03 AM
I am exploring all sorts of optical art, in addition to these... Have found lots of interesting things. I am in the early stages of 'cooking up' yet another project- Dealing with percieved motion and the periphrial drift illusion- Some strange stuff. I have paintings that seem to move and flow, although in real life, they are not... They are flat, still paintings. It is fun stuff.

-Andrew
Oh sounds interesting I will be looking for them!!!

Printmakerguy
03-08-2005, 09:20 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/54771/tn_reverspectivefinalprog2.jpg

Looking good!!

I like the arch better- Glad you made that change. Gives it character!

Looks like this one will work especially well- The bricks really draw the viewer back into it all.

Aren't rows and rows of bricks fun to paint? Especially in perspective like that... Aggrivating, to say the least....

neilhume
03-09-2005, 08:52 PM
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Looking good!!

I like the arch better- Glad you made that change. Gives it character!

Looks like this one will work especially well- The bricks really draw the viewer back into it all.

Aren't rows and rows of bricks fun to paint? Especially in perspective like that... Aggrivating, to say the least....

Thanks - I wouldn't say it was aggravating; I found it quite therapeutic really, but maybe that says more about my week at work than anything else.

Ginger Lee
03-09-2005, 11:22 PM
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Neil, I can't wait to see the finished product here. I agree the arch works better and it all draws you to the center so well.

Printmakerguy
03-10-2005, 05:45 PM
Well, I am off to my ship tomorrow, so I wont be able to check on things quite as often as before... BUT, I will still check in from time to time!!

I will be on board for about a month, and then I will be back ashore for another month... I hope everyone keeps chugging away in my absence, and has fun with the project!!

I am working on a few other ideas for projects dealing with illusion in art, as I mentioned previously. There are a few ideas that I am tossing around, including 3-d effects (Yes, using glasses... I know, kind of corny, but hey, its FUN!) and percieved motion illusions, perephrial drift, all sorts of fun stuff... I'll post more details when I know them!

-Andrew

Lorijo
03-10-2005, 06:07 PM
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Its looking great Ginger! I can't wait to see the finish. Lori

Lorijo
03-10-2005, 06:09 PM
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Looking good, it pulls you in. Looking forward to seeing the end. Lori

Lorijo
03-10-2005, 06:27 PM
Have a great trip Andrew, looking forward to hearing about your percieved motion illusions and perephrial drift. I looked into it about a year ago but I couldn't get it to work in a painting. Lori

Printmakerguy
03-11-2005, 12:15 AM
looking forward to hearing about your percieved motion illusions and perephrial drift. I looked into it about a year ago but I couldn't get it to work in a painting. Lori

IT can be a challenge, as for some to work, everything has to be PERFECT. The majority of them are done with computers, so to copy one you have to be careful... I did a couple test pieces, that I posted Here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241403) and Here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=242030), both were acrylic on panel.

I have been working on refining the images a bit more, and incorporating it into a piece with more to it than a simple illusion, working bits of surrealism into it, etc. Some of the results are interesting to say the least.

At times, my studio is more of a mad scientists workshop than a studio... It is a fun place to come and play!!

-Andrew

bjcpaints
03-11-2005, 02:25 PM
Hi everyone - Wow - those blocks are looking great - Ginger and Neil.
Carol, I guess I already said I love yours. Mine was started as a bowling alley lane but I painted over it last night with a brand new idea I got (hope it works). I wanted something pretty like Carol's. So it will be scenic. My time is really limited right now , but I don't think it will take too long to paint so hopefully by next weekend I'll have it up.
Barbara

neilhume
03-11-2005, 11:30 PM
I've just posted the final images (just 3 photos for now, but I will try to scan each side and post the images over the weekend so they can be printed out and "built"). I hope the finished work lived up to expectations but any ideas for modifications that might improve it are appreciated (although maybe not within my capacity as a novice).

Thanks,

Neil

bjcpaints
03-14-2005, 03:45 PM
Great job Neil! I will get mine in soon. Have a show this weekend and then I can commit to it! I only hope my idea works out.
Barbara

neilhume
03-14-2005, 08:54 PM
Great job Neil! I will get mine in soon. Have a show this weekend and then I can commit to it! I only hope my idea works out.
Barbara

Thanks Barbara, I'm sure yours will be great - I really wouldn't worry; mine worked out ok and that probably means anyway can do it. You're working on the bowling lane, correct - looking forward to seeing it.

I didn't get to scan my block for posting each side but I will this weekend I promise - I'm in Cincinnati again this week unfortunately.

Printmakerguy
03-16-2005, 07:08 PM
I will get mine in soon. I only hope my idea works out.
Barbara

Just remember- if it doesnt work out, you can always paint over it and start again!! Just go for it. And, HAVE FUN!!

-Andrew

neilhume
03-21-2005, 11:29 PM
I finally got the blocked scanned; just in time as I'm going to be in London and Prague for the next 2 weeks; so if anyone is so inclined they can print and see what it looks like.

anney
03-25-2005, 07:24 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/820/progress/36273/tn_UrbanSM.gif

This is great! I don't have some much time for art these days, but I hope I'll be able to try the concept once.

Anne

anney
03-25-2005, 07:27 AM
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What's behind the door? Nice work on the wood.

anney
03-25-2005, 07:29 AM
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That's my favorite one...

Anne

Printmakerguy
03-25-2005, 03:57 PM
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That's my favorite one...


Thanks for the compliments!

I have a lot of fun with these. The urban one is closer to completion- I will have to get a few more pictures of it up soon. I am on my ship now, though- and it is sitting at home in the studio... Sigh.

You really should try it- It is a lot of fun!

-Andrew

bjcpaints
03-30-2005, 01:59 PM
Hi everyone. I took my block with me to Maine for Easter (visited my daughter and grandkids). Although its not finished; I got a good amount done and will post it as a WIP tonight when I get home from work. I did not do the bowling alley because my DH is such an avid bowler that I did not feel I could meet his scrutiny whe he started dictating measurements of a lane, etc. So, you will be surprised with what I came up with - I did not use any of the prelim drawings that I posted!
Barbara

bjcpaints
03-30-2005, 07:33 PM
OK I posted my prelim painting. It helps so much to see it on screen to know what needs to be done. I am not happy with the shape of the boat and will re-do it to look more like an Adirondack Guide boat. I plan to have it complete and take it with me to my next show as I have also painted the same boat on an appropriately boat shaped smooth rock (what a find!). I am starting to think the concept is OK but would love some feedback! Thanks for looking.
Barbara

leverettfinn
03-31-2005, 08:51 PM
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Hi Barbara...
....I think the values are going to look right or wrong depending on the lighting conditions...Andrew has said how hard these are to photograph
:( ...and I think your boat is placed perfectly!...if you make it narrower...I think it will bend as you look at it from either side....as it is placed now, I think that distortion is limited...(the side to side stuff(?)...great idea to keep the landscape edges softer..Looks great!

I have been so busy with painting sets for a musical...that I haven't had time to work on mine :mad: ...set painting will be finished next week...then a week in Ireland :clap: ...and then I will be working on mine.

What fun these are! Everyone is doing such a great job!
Lauren

Ginger Lee
04-01-2005, 12:34 AM
Well Andrew despite tax season I finally finished the project. Once again thank you so much for you efforts for all of us. I am looking forward to your next project.

leojacko
04-01-2005, 01:07 AM
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Ginder, I was amazed when I saw this !

Wonderful choice of subject & well painted too :clap: :clap: :clap:

you must have the patience of a saint :angel:

Nina

bjcpaints
04-01-2005, 02:35 PM
Thanks for your comments Lauren! Could I help you out by taking that trip to Ireland for you? :D Yes, my block needs work and I need to find time - maybe over the weekend.
Oh, BTW I scanned mine on the scanner as I am camera challenged. Maybe I will figure out how to mount this somewhere and have someone else take a pic for me when its done. Now that i think about it, maybe the scan caused the center to look so much lighter?
Ginger, Yours is stunning - I love it! Really nice work! If you want the floorboards to show you could just darken the lines.
Barbara

bjcpaints
04-05-2005, 10:02 AM
Well, I posted my final - such as it is. It certainly is hard to get a good pic of it! Thanks again Andrew for your efforts! You must still be out to sea?
Barbara

Ginger Lee
04-05-2005, 08:45 PM
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Barbara, you have a neat idea for your project. Photographing these is really tricky. Is the block actually a little lighter perhaps? I can't see the detail of the river very well.

bjcpaints
04-06-2005, 10:24 AM
Thanks for looking and for your comments Ginger.
The block is lighter, my DH fiddled with it in photoshop to darken the midsquare as the flash from the camera showed it much lighter. The body of water is actually supposed to be a lake that goes all the way across the foreground. If you look at the previous WIP pic of this you will see how light the center looked when I scanned it. I added another mountain and tried to darken the center - it looks good IRL but the pic here leaves something to be desired.
Barbara

bjcpaints
04-06-2005, 12:25 PM
Oh I'm stopping back to ask:

What is the best way to display our RVP block? I mean for demo at a show, as well as, mounting it on a wall at home. Any tips? Do and don'ts?

Printmakerguy
04-07-2005, 05:55 PM
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Looks good!

bjcpaints
04-08-2005, 09:16 AM
Thanks Andrew - Any tips for displaying these?

bjcpaints
04-11-2005, 12:13 PM
Feel like I'm talking to myself here -LOL - nothing new. My DH had a good idea to make it easier to display the block. Take a lino tile and cut to size and glue on the back after drilling a keyhole to hang on a screw in the wall.

Printmakerguy
04-11-2005, 01:09 PM
Sorry- I haven't been ignoring people- Just BUSY!

The best wat that I have come up with to display mine is to mount them on a board... I use plywood, cut about 2-3" bigger than the block on all sides. I then glue the block to it, using liquid nails or a similar adhesive. The hanging hardware is attached to the plywood, and hang away!

It is easier to attach the hardware BEFORE the block...

I paint all of mine a neutral grey color- The walls in my house are bright, vibrant colors- And I dont want them competing with my artwork...

-andrew

bjcpaints
04-12-2005, 10:12 AM
The best wat that I have come up with to display mine is to mount them on a board... I use plywood, cut about 2-3" bigger than the block on all sides. I then glue the block to it, using liquid nails or a similar adhesive. The hanging hardware is attached to the plywood, and hang away!-andrew

Hi Andrew,
That sounds good too but I don't think I want the extra background. Oh, and its a piece of formica, not lino tile, that DH is cutting for me to glue on the back - exact size and with a keyhole drilled for hanging purposes. Will post a scan of it when I am done.
Barbara
On second thought - your idea must look like a frame for the painting?

Printmakerguy
04-25-2005, 02:06 AM
Hmm... Well- Out of 10, looks like 5 finals so far...

Anyone else out there working still??

leverettfinn
04-25-2005, 07:13 AM
Hmm... Well- Out of 10, looks like 5 finals so far...

Anyone else out there working still??
:o :o :o

YES!...back from Ireland....(fun!) teaching class this am...then my block is my mission!

Late Lauren

Diane Cutter
04-25-2005, 08:40 AM
Hmm... Well- Out of 10, looks like 5 finals so far...

Anyone else out there working still??
Yes, me... I'm finishing up two print exchanges and then will do my final touches on my cube... I'm pleased so far!

Diane

Printmakerguy
04-25-2005, 10:24 AM
Great!!

Didnt mean to sound pushy or anything, just wondered if there was any activity!!

I have been SO busy with other projects lately that my most recent Reverse Perspective hasn't been TOUCHED in a month! It is sitting on the easel still... Oh well, some day :)

-Andrew

Lorijo
04-25-2005, 10:37 AM
I have been thinking about mine, I have been in an artistic funk lately, I think I am getting out of the funk now! I blame it on my new puppy, I kept track the other day, took him out 5 times in the morning, I stopped counting after that! He is pretty well house broken so I drop everything when he needs out.

He is a catahoula leopard dog mix, wants, needs lots and lots of training and attention. Lori

lisilk
04-25-2005, 01:17 PM
Me too Andrew. - I'm not an official participant but Andrew was kind enough to send me a block. - If anyone has decided to NOT paticipate, please quit the project so someone else ( :wave: ) can join. Otherwise I'll just send my final to you Andrew.

I am working on the " mosaic commission that wouldn't die !" As soon as it's done ( 2 more weeks ????? ,) the block is next. My husband is dying to see what I do with it ( hmmm. me too :rolleyes: )

Thanks Andrew

Li

lisilk
04-25-2005, 01:24 PM
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Fantastic finish Ginger ! Great job. :clap:

Ginger Lee
04-26-2005, 12:46 AM
Me too Andrew. - I'm not an official participant but Andrew was kind enough to send me a block. - If anyone has decided to NOT paticipate, please quit the project so someone else ( :wave: ) can join. Otherwise I'll just send my final to you Andrew.

I am working on the " mosaic commission that wouldn't die !" As soon as it's done ( 2 more weeks ????? ,) the block is next. My husband is dying to see what I do with it ( hmmm. me too :rolleyes: )

Thanks Andrew

Li
Gosh, I hope you post it on the link so we can all see the finished product. After all if Andrew is willing to send you a block I'm sure willing to see the finished product.

I have mine sitting on an end stand and I get comments from everyone who sees it. They are soooo strange to look at.

So what do you think Andrew can Li post as a participant?

Printmakerguy
04-26-2005, 12:56 AM
Me too Andrew. - I'm not an official participant but Andrew was kind enough to send me a block. - If anyone has decided to NOT paticipate, please quit the project so someone else ( :wave: ) can join. Otherwise I'll just send my final to you Andrew


Because of the way the WetCanvas project system works, you won't be able to post in the gallery, but you CAN post it here in the forum!!

-Andrew

Printmakerguy
04-26-2005, 12:58 AM
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Turned out very nice!! I would love to be able to see this one in person!!

-Andrew

Ginger Lee
04-26-2005, 06:23 PM
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Turned out very nice!! I would love to be able to see this one in person!!

-Andrew
Thanks Andrew. Actually I've been thinking about trying to make a more ornate ceiling for it. Somehow the lights (yes that's what they are supposed to be) just don't work. If I do I'll repost the final project.

Lorijo
04-26-2005, 06:44 PM
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I posted a few more progress images. I am wondering, I would like to have some water like the ocean on the back, it is kind of suggested at the moment. Then I want to put it also on one of the sides, maybe both, just near the back. Would the horizon line of the water be parallel to the bottom of the back? Thats what I think, but I am not sure.

I also want to work more on the path, it isn't that dark in RL.

Ginger, I love the art gallery!

Lori

Tearadria
01-23-2012, 09:01 PM
I know this is an old thread. But I find these paintings fascinating. I cannot do woodwork...so I am going to try it with cardboard ;/

Printmakerguy
01-23-2012, 09:12 PM
Thanks. Cardboard will work- Just not as strong. I find the paintings to be fascinating, I've got a few different ones now...