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12-27-2004, 12:07 AM
Basic 101 Class 9

Book Report and Project Assignment

This is a two-week class

Learning to draw is certainly one thing but having reference materials on different techniques and mediums is another. As an artist, you should be building a reference library of some sort. The purpose of this class is to start you up with a good list of books that you may add to your library. Here is how this class will work:

1. Write a book Report and explain why that book is so important to you and how it has or has influenced your drawing.

2. Do a drawing of your choice IN ANY STYLE AND MEDIUM as an example of that book.

Book Report Guidelines:

1. It may be as long or as short as you like but must contain the following:

a. Title of Book
b. Author
c. ISBN number
d. Summary of the book
e How and why you think this book is important
f. For the purposes of this class we are only going to explore How-To Books

2. You should be prepared to discuss the book with outside class members.


4. No links if at all possible. I want your words—not someone else’s


Project Guidelines:

1. The Project may be of any style, medium including digital that you choose.

2. The Project may be of any length of time of your choosing

3. The Project may be as detailed or as loose as you choose

4. ONLY do a project based on your book



Deb Leger
12-27-2004, 02:31 AM
I like this one, Jay! I have just the book to do it on. :D

I got caught up working on the WDE tonight, so the tree is going to be worked on tomorrow for lesson 8. I have much more time now.


Deb Leger
12-27-2004, 02:42 AM
Hi again, Jay.

I just finished converting the lesson into a pdf and have emailed it to you, Ann and Cathie.


12-27-2004, 08:24 AM
Great! I will look forward to seeing the tree! :wave: :wave: -jayd

12-27-2004, 08:39 AM
Morning JayD, :wave:
I have my book too. I was worried it had to be on graphite, but not so.
I have a picture I had done of my son earlier this year B4 I read the book and now I will redo it with what I have learned from the book. I hadn't redone it B4 cause I have misplaced the ref, now I will have to find it. :D

Hey Deb, :wave: Gad to see you back!

12-27-2004, 08:43 AM
Deb, thanks for the PDF! :wave: :wave: :wave:

Judi, when you re-do the picture of your son be sure to post the "before" version as well so we can get a look at how the book helped! :wave: :wave: :wave:

12-27-2004, 08:44 AM
Will do Boss!

Cathie Jones
12-27-2004, 08:47 AM
Mornin' everyone! Got the file, Deb - thanks, it's posted.

Waiting for my book . . . . . according to Amazon it was shipped the 24th.

12-27-2004, 08:55 AM
Good Morning Everyone! :wave: I'm just checking in after commenting in Class 8. The pdf is posted in my signature as well :)

Jay, one quick question. Can it be on a video rather than a book???


12-27-2004, 10:17 AM
Hi Everyone ,

Cool, I have plenty of ideas for an art project but none of them include a book :evil:

Catch up with you later

Anne - marie

Deb Leger
12-27-2004, 12:21 PM
Am I on the ball, or what?! :evil:

Here's my book report Jay. Now, to work on the lesson 8 tree, then draw the project for this one.

Book Report for Lesson 9
by Deborah Leger

Title: Drawing Trees, Step by Step
Author: Stanley Maltzman
ISBN Number: 0-58180-015-0
Publisher: North Light Books
Hardcover, 127 pages


An in-depth book, dedicated to studying, understanding and drawing trees in their various environments. It is wonderfully illustrated with many examples. At the end, there are several examples of drawings with colour added.


In the first chapter, Maltzman discusses the basics of getting started - graphite and charcoal, paper, erasers, sharpening your pencils and/or sticks, fixatives and tortillions. He gives several examples of how different densities of pencils and charcoal work on different types of paper.

I love his statement of “there are no hard-and-fast rules, and that is what will make your artwork more interesting and unique!”

He goes on, still in the first chapter, to give some good info on working en plein air and some of the equipment one might need such as umbrellas, easels and seats. There are also two pages dedicated to holding your pencil properly, with examples of the same tree drawn in the underhand position and in the writing position.

In the second chapter, Maltzman discusses How Trees Grow. This section is completely illustrated, as is the entire book, with his own sketches and drawings, which makes it much more interesting than seeing photographs of trees. He states “as you study trees, you can’t help but marvel at what a wonderful feat of engineering you are looking at”, a statement that captivates me as much as trees do. (I must have been either a tree or a happy tree-dweller in a different life!)

Maltzman explains how trees grow like telescopes and goes on to explain how to create a balanced form using this theory. He discusses the importance of contour drawing if you happen to find yourself overcome when capturing the likeness of your tree. There is excellent information and drawings of trunks and roots, shapes of trees, one or multiple main trunks, boughs and branches. How foliage grows is touched on, as well as saplings, older trees and guest plants growing on trunks.

The third chapter is on Drawing Individual Trees. Maltzman believes that walking around, touching, smelling, sitting under your tree and closely studying it will greatly contribute to your work - in short, become a part of the tree. I love that.

He illustrates how to start drawing your tree and then moves to many different varieties of trees, each one complete with one or more drawings. Some of these varieties include apple, cherry - black and sweet, black walnut, oak, white oak, red oak, white willow, maple, spruce, white pine, birches, aspen and sycamore. Sketching, values, details and negative space are all explained.

The fourth chapter is all about Drawing Forests and Tree Groups. Pages are dedicated to drawing tree groups, drawing distant woods, drawing backlit woods and drawing woodlands and reflections. Winter woods, heavy woods, forest clearings, coming out of the woods and drawing trees in fields are all well discussed and very well illustrated.

This book is such a treat if only to look at all the beautiful drawings of trees!

The fifth chapter is all about Observing Nature’s Details. There are many fine examples of many kinds of tree bark and how to draw them. Knotholes, foliage, leaves - living and dead, lichen, fungus, spiderwebs and mushrooms, as well as forest debris are all well-covered and illustrated. Many of the illustrations are in the working process. Maltzman takes great care to show “how” to do the drawings. I find nothing more exasperating than a book filled with completed drawings and scant explanations, leaving the reader to puzzle over the how’s and why’s. You don’t have this problem with Stanley Maltzman’s books. He is a great teacher.

Chapter six is titled Enhancing Compositions with Trees. He discusses, and goes on to show, how adding a tree or a group of trees can add such excitement to your drawing. He touches on perspective in this chapter and gives some good information on composition. Centering, repetition and monotony are all well discussed. Limiting your scene to create drama is demonstrated, as well as negative/positive space. Maltzman shows how he draws a dramatic composition, step by step, which is very interesting to see. He also explains the importance of thumbnails to select a format and how there are such limitless possibilities for the same drawings.

In the final chapter, chapter seven, all that has been learned is put together, as well as adding colour. Before you get to all the eye candy, you get some tips on drawing from photographs. Then you are wonderfully treated to drawings with watercolour added, charcoal / pastel, charcoal / sanguine / pencils on coloured paper, charcoal / gouache. Many show some of the incomplete stages of that drawing / painting. While many in this chapter have colour added, I also love the pencil and/or charcoal drawings with no colour added.

I think this book is a very important addition to any how-to library because of it’s in-depth teachings and explanations. In any books I acquire, I always look for those in which the author has taken the time to answer the why’s and how’s. In this book, Stanley Maltzman takes that time and wonderfully explains and illustrates the subject at hand - trees. It’s a very thorough book. It’s also very important to me because I love trees so much and want to learn to really *really* draw trees.

All in all, this is one of my favourite books and one that I would never part with. Now, to just find the time to apply his teachings!


12-27-2004, 12:26 PM
Deb, you DO know that your tree for Lesson * does not count for the tree for Lesson 9? :evil: Great Book report and nicely formated--this is a book that I do not have--I will go check it out. thanks!

12-27-2004, 12:32 PM
Gee Wiz Deb, Can't believe you have this done already! :D Great job!
Looking forward to the treeS!
:clap: :clap:

12-27-2004, 12:47 PM
Ohh wow Deb,

I have never had the desire to learn to sketch a tree lol, (sorry Jay even in class 8 :(), but your words in your book report have made me want to buy the book. Thank you for a wonderful report ~KAV~ :clap: :clap: :clap:
Can't wait to see your b4 book tree & your after book tree. :)

Mary Woodul
12-27-2004, 12:49 PM
Good morning! everyone :wave: JayD, very nice, I think this is going to be fun.

Deb, nice to see you back and with a very interesting book report. :clap: Man, your speedy!!!

12-27-2004, 01:12 PM
I think that I will never see
The day Sults desires
To draw a tree.

Ah me....Ah meeeee.


12-27-2004, 02:06 PM
Just wanted to compliment Deb on that very interesting and informative book report. Great job! :clap: :clap: It does make me want to buy it. Does the author have other books on drawing other subjects? I need a good one on horses. Our best friends had to have one of their horses put down yesterday and I would like to do a portrait for them.
Question about my book report - ? The only book on drawing that I have besides Mr. De Reyna's is Walter Foster's "Drawing with a Pencil"(?) I think thats the title. I actually keep it in my car for when I get a minute or 2 to read/draw. It seems to be a condensed version of his book and I did not know if that's ok for a report?
The libraries here are terrible for instructional books on drawing & painting.
Maybe I need to break down and go buy a book - any suggestions?

12-27-2004, 02:13 PM
What is wrong with De Reyna or Foster--you can review one of those if you wish. This is not a bid to have you guys go out en masse and purchase books--use what you have at your disposal, buy if you wish but only buy if you want.

Deb Leger
12-27-2004, 02:21 PM
Deb, you DO know that your tree for Lesson * does not count for the tree for Lesson 9? :evil: Great Book report and nicely formated--this is a book that I do not have--I will go check it out. thanks!

So, in other words, I won't be able to slide a fast one by you? :evil:

Deb, the :angel:

12-27-2004, 02:24 PM
Nope, nada, nyet....... :evil:

12-27-2004, 02:34 PM
I need a good one on horses. Our best friends had to have one of their horses put down yesterday and I would like to do a portrait for them.
Question about my book report - ? any suggestions?
lol Barbara I had 2 books in mind to do my report on. You have made the choice for me, :) since you need one on horses I have a wonderful book for you to hear about. :cat:

The other book was "Drawing A Likeness" by Douglas R. Graves. A great book for portrait drawing, that is why I could not make up my mind.

The only problem is, that I received this book for my 14th birthday and Poor book weathered thru alot not only with me but with my kids too.

The only thing I am concerned with is that I do not have a "before book" picture to post of how I drew horses. :(
You will love this book Barbara it was so informative with many illustrations. ~Draw Horses with Sam Savitt~

But if Jay does not mind I can put one of my prior 101 horse pictures and a current one I am working on. :) (by the way Jay I drew my collie in the picture too).

12-27-2004, 02:37 PM
you guys can post as many book reports that you can handle--plus work--I will be pretty flexible on the work so yes, sults, that is ok. :)

Deb Leger
12-27-2004, 02:39 PM
Judy, Thanks, and I can't believe I've got it done already either! :wink2: It's just so nice to have *time* now. I'll start working on my treeS right after I get back from taking my two boys to EB Games. They both got some gift certificates from there and they're burning holes in their pockets. :D

Mary, thanks. It's good to be back.

Sultry, thanks. I found some sketches I did of a tree about five years ago and at the time, I thought I"d done such a good job on it. Now, I cringe to look at it.

Jay, here's a poem for you:

You're a poet
And don't know it
Although your feet show it
They're Longfellows.

Yeah, I know. I'm shaking my head, too.

Barbara, thank you. I've done a search on Maltzman to see if he has any books on horses but as far as I can see, he only has two. One on Drawing Trees and another one on Drawing Nature. There's a lot of books at Amazon.com though, just on drawing horses if you do a search there. (I did my search on google.) And I did find a place online that has a fast lesson on drawing horses. Click here (http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/horses/horses.html ) Maybe in Jet's thread of links, he has some?


Fireman's kid
12-27-2004, 02:52 PM
Jay, how could you do this to me?!?? Don't you know I'm a recovering art book addict??!!!.....

Okay, that's not entirely true. Well, mostly true...all except for that recovering part. :evil: :D

I LOVE art books! For a long time I only read about art and didn't actually do any myself. lol I must have about a dozen of my own and have been known to steal...I mean, borrow...some from my dad too. My hubby even got me two new books on portrait drawing for Christmas too. Oh what fun it will be to pick one from my large collection and have an excuse to read it! Oh, and do the art project too of course. :angel:

I also plan on using the next two weeks to try and catch up with the class. I am weeks behind with my drawing and posting but will hopefully have more time now that the commission and the holidays and whatever else are over. If I don't find time to do my class work now, I'm going to have to be real creative in finding an excuse!! :D

12-27-2004, 02:55 PM
Thanks Deb, I have visited Elfwood many times. They have a really good tutorial on acrylics there.

Sultry, Thanks. I have looked at Sam Savitts work and books on line SO many times. I really should break down and buy one of his. He has a great chart too, showing the different breeds (I am just learning the breeds). BTW I am on my 3rd collie. They are heartbreakers as you must know. Make you love them so much and then the day comes you have to say goodby. : (
Oh, the D. Graves book sounds wonderful too. Can't wait to see your report.

It did occur to me that I should just do my report on the Foster book I have as I have not finished it yet and I just don't have the time to start something else right now. It does cover a variety of subjects. I cleaned out my craft room over the weekend and started painting again. Felt great! Maybe if I keep plugging away here I will feel that way about drawing someday! :D

12-27-2004, 02:56 PM
Deb you know what else I want to thank you on?

For the great Outline for my book report. Hope you do not mind but I copied your book report so I can remember it and also to use it as a outline for my report.

Hey everyone do not forget to rate the thread.... :clap: :clap: :clap: :wave: :cat:

12-27-2004, 03:37 PM
Hi everyone. Sarah's birthday has gone well. All her friends have left now, so I have a moment of relative tranquilty!


Here's the first of my reports. I'd really like to do one on a book about drawing that isn't strictly a how-to-do it book, but thought I'd better do a proper one first!

Bert Dodson. (1985) Keys to Drawing. Cincinnati, OH: North Light Books. ISBN: 0-89134-337-7

I found this book a few months ago in a second hand bookshop. It’s nearly twenty years old, so I’m not sure if it’s still in print, but if it isn’t, it should be! This book is intended for beginners, the sort of person who, like me, has always believed they couldn’t draw but has always been fascinated by drawings. “Anyone who can hold a pencil can learn to draw with some degree of proficiency,” he says. Dodson says “…most of the keys in this book are of the ‘way into’ type rather than of the ‘how to’ type.” In other words, the book isn’t about suggesting “tricks” or shortcuts, but ways of exploring, experimenting and developing.

Dodson has a distinctive style of drawing, one that uses line very expressively. This style really appeals to me; I love drawings that use lines expressively, not just to create an outline to be shaded in. He also has a very loose style, and that also appeals to me. This might come as a surprise, as my drawings don’t look much like that, but I’d like them to!

Chapter 1. The Drawing Process. Lots of drawing books start of with a discussion of materials, how to hold the pencil, etc. Nothing wrong with that, but this book’s approach is very different. He encourages the adoption of a particular drawing process, which he calls “look-hold-draw.” “Look at the subject and take note of a contour or shape; hold that contour in your mind for a moment, and draw it while it’s still fresh in your memory.”

Chapter 2. The Artist’s Handwriting. This chapter explores the vast variety of styles of drawing, using different media and methods, starting off by exploring the work of some famous artists, all of whom have an instantly recognizable style. One interesting exercise is to do a drawing in the style of one of these great artists. One feature of this book that I love is that it is illustrated throughout with the work of many different artists. Some of these are truly outstanding. Then there is a discussion of how different drawing media help to achieve different drawing styles.

Then several chapters deal with similar issues to those we’ve been covering in recent weeks. Chapter 3 discusses the use of measurements to help achieve accurate renderings, especially of the figure. Chapter 4 deals with light and shade, while chapter 5 is about perspective. Chapter 6 deals with the fascinating question of creating texture, while chapter 7 discusses composition. Finally, chapter 8 introduces drawing from the imagination.

I haven’t had time to work my way through this book yet, but even dipping into it is inspirational. I’d recommend this book to anyone.

12-27-2004, 03:41 PM
BTW, since people have been showing off their poetic skills recently, could I direct your attention to this post in the Cafe! (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3021170&postcount=5)

12-27-2004, 03:57 PM
Dave, I have this book and I highly reccomend it as well. I cant wait to see your project--excellent choice!!!

12-27-2004, 04:06 PM
Deb, I remember a character quoting that little longfellow ditty in the Thomas Wolfe based play "Look Homeward Angel"-- :)--which is a production where I learned that it was possible to carve sheep out of styrofoam. :D

Cathie Jones
12-27-2004, 05:02 PM
Isn't it nice to have everyone back? And Sults trying harder than I do to get in trouble . . . and Dave showing his gif-ness, not to metion his poet-ness. And Deb trying to get out of drawing another tree . . . Stacy stealing - I mean borrowing - books from Dad . . . AnneMarieLisa trying to get out of the book report by dazzling us with projects . . . typical class if you ask me . . . :clap:


12-27-2004, 08:03 PM
I haven't written a book report for thirty years :crying: :crying: and we all know I'm not the best 'splainer :D (right CJ?). But I gave it a shot. The only luck I had here was I had the same publisher and number of pages as Deb's book so I copied that. LOL

Book Report for Lesson 9
by Judi Lynch

Title: Colored Pencil Portraits, Step by Step
Author: Ann Kullberg
ISBN Number: 0-89-134-844-1
Publisher: North Light Books
Hardcover, 127 pages
Copyright: 1999


Ann Kullberg is a great colored pencil artist and in this book she shares her step by step illustrations to achieving lifelike quality portrait ‘paintings’. Throughout this book Ann posts may beautiful finished works as well as helpful progress pictures.


Chapter 1 Getting Started
Chapter one reviews all the materials you need to get started as well as some recommendations as to quality brands of paper (Stonehenge), pencils (Prismacolors), pencil sharpener (Boston), drafting brush, ‘sticky stuff’ and pencil extenders. It is also stressed to keep your point to an optimum point as many papers have many hills and valleys and a sharp point will take to the valleys best for the best coverage and smoothness.
This chapter also describes different methods of laying down colored pencil. In the descriptions Ann states which methods she uses for what part of the portrait.

Chapter 2 Composing a Portrait
Chapter two reviews the correct processes in making up a composition. Subjects include: using reference photos, using the correct size reference photos, drawing freehand and transfer options to your final paper. Instruction of using grids is explained as well as using projectors. The most interesting and useful section of this chapter is learning how to see good composition. Ann discusses cropping so you get the most out of your composition. Backdrops, balance, spacing of main subject and using diagonal and vertical lines of objects to pull you into the main subject is demonstrated.

Chapter 3 Seeing the Light
Chapter three discusses the importance of making the darks and creating contrast to show light. She discusses the progression of her journey ‘Toward the light’. She explains and demonstrates this progression by showing her first attempts to portray light in her work to where she truly became a master at portraying light by her use of darks and contrast.

Chapter 4 Creating Believable Skin Tones
In Chapter four a palette guide is shown for all of the different skin tones arranged according to hue. There are yellow, orange and pink skin tones. She stresses the twenty-three colors in the palettes are to be used as a guide to help you build the colors you need. Then she arranges these colors into value groups, and explains the importance of your first ‘wash’ that provides the base for all future layers. There is also an exercise to create a Skin Tone Bar. The rest of the chapter shows you how to build skin tones, using a value viewer and creating black and Asian skin tones.

Chapter 5 Painting Features and the Face
This Chapter shows you, step by step, how to use colored pencil to create the facial features (eyes, nose, mouth and ears) as well as the colors to use (as a guide). Then she does a step by step on painting the entire face of a little boy. This chapter, nor the book, addresses how to draw.

Chapter 6 Painting Hair
Painting hair is not an easy thing to do with colored pencil. The book breaks it down in the following way: Divide the hair into shapes (by the highlighted and color areas), then details how to draw dark hair, light brown hair, blonde hair and red hair. There is a strong emphasis and discussion on the effect sunlight has on the subject. Hair texture is also demonstrated (curly, kinky, wavy and the crew cut).

Chapter 7 Painting Fabric
This Chapter shows how to ‘paint’ believable fabrics. Cotton, patterns, plaid, denim (including denim hems and seams), polished fabrics (satin and the like) and knits are detailed and/or discussed.

Chapter 8 Putting It All Together
This Chapter puts it all together Step by Step. Two separate drawings are created here. One drawing is of a little girl sitting on a brick wall and the other of a brother and sister together. The latter is attached with this report.

Appendix The Portrait Business
The appendix gives you an overview of how to conduct a portrait business, and contains a lot of useful information for someone who would want to create a business with their skill. Subjects here include Initial contact, photo shoot, choosing the reference photo, Contracts, pricing as well as a few humorous errors made by Ann. One error I repeated myself, after I had read the book.

I really liked the detail and step illustrations. They were well chosen. I fell in love with doing colored pencil reading this book. I was truly amazed at the work done by Ann Kullberg. She is recognized as great by many. I believe this book is THE must have for a CP portrait artist. My personal library consists of only six or so books at this time, but this book is the most cherished.

12-27-2004, 08:29 PM
Of course you know that Ann Kullberg is also famous for her "vertical stroke" method of drawing. She was trying to find a way to speed of the time it takes to create a colored pencil piece and invented this technique. She primarily works in portraits mostly of children of course. I can't wait to see the project that you do based on this book. Very good choice! :clap: :clap: :clap:

By the way, she created a really nice flesh tone scale guide that, if you plan to do colored pencil portraits, you should not do without.

Fireman's Kid--I too have a book addiction--glad to have re-ignited it in you! :D

12-27-2004, 08:40 PM
JayD, I did not mention the vertical stroke (a thousand lashes!) but I did mention the Skin tone bar. That was a time consuming, but useful exercise. :D
"Chapter 4 Creating Believable Skin Tones
In Chapter four a palette guide is shown for all of the different skin tones arranged according to hue. There are yellow, orange and pink skin tones. She stresses the twenty-three colors in the palettes are to be used as a guide to help you build the colors you need. Then she arranges these colors into value groups, and explains the importance of your first ‘wash’ that provides the base for all future layers. There is also an exercise to create a Skin Tone Bar. The rest of the chapter shows you how to build skin tones, using a value viewer and creating black and Asian skin tones."

I must admit I read it many moons ago, and didn't re-read it cover to cover or mention everything I should have. :(

12-27-2004, 09:06 PM
The real kicker, Judi is that now you can just go and BUY the value bar with her portrait sets. A good value. :)

12-27-2004, 09:55 PM
The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

Betty Edwards 1999. Penguin

ISBN 0-87477-424-1

Paper, 291 pages. List Price $16.95 USA. Internet $11.86.

This is the book that opened up drawing to me in June. It starts with the premise that we are dominated by logical, left-brained thinking. Our creative, right-brained skills are used less, not nurtured, and, therefore, out of practice. Once we understand that we possess the creative skills, they, like any other skill can be reduced by lack of use. If we learn how to bring these skills up to snuff, we can draw! Ironically, she uses the left-brain skill of reasoning and logic to teach the reader/artist how to be creative. It worked for me. I admit that I was concerned I would be wasting my time reading this book – I don’t go for braiding mud and twigs in my hair, candles, and incense. I was not interested in reading a book about how I should permit the earth force flow through my body into my drawing. Happily, I was not disappointed. Although I have read some opinions counter, I think Edwards kept here work on the practical and helpful side of the reality line.

I work in a left-brained intensive profession – law – in an often right-brained practice – real estate development. Edwards’s logical explanation of the “why” of drawing errors or misconceptions permitted me to understand why I do what I do (or did) when drawing. The concept that Edwards makes clear is the same as our Project’s text – How to Draw What You See. However, Edwards goes beyond telling the reader/artist, “draw what you see rather than what you think you see.” First she explains why we make error drawing what we think we are seeing, then explains the error, then, step by step, makes the reader/artist discover for themselves, through exercises, the error and how to correct it. Only after trying to do a portrait by memory and then drawing upside down did I really get the concept of having to draw what I see instead of what I think should be there.

After helping the reader/artist to understand the draw what you see concept, Edwards introduces you to lines, perspective, positive and negative spaces, and then drawing the portrait. Each chapter is devoted to one of these elements. They additionally contain several exercises to introduce the element and permit the reader/artist to experience the skill. Her explanation of the chopped-off skull and proportions of the head are very instructive. I had no idea that eyes are half way between the chin and top of head. This is not a how-to, “tricks,” book but Edwards takes the time, which is well worth it, to explain why the error occurs and why it can be fixed. The old adage applies about teaching a man to fish verses giving a man a fish to eat. Once the why is known, it can be applied to other similar problems.

I think this book is most helpful for the person just starting out. An experienced artist would, I think, already know the concepts. All in all, I thought it was an easy read and the projects were approachable. Although someone who has learned the “tricks” of drawing, may be interested in finding out why the trick worked. As an aside, Edwards includes chapters at the end on color. Although interesting, I thought it did not really apply where the reader/artist is trying to get the basic drawing down. Perhaps this section was included by the publisher because a book entirely in black and white would not sell as well.

P.S. I would like some comments on this book and reasons why it raises such emotional reviews, pro and con. I would be afraid to read this book after reading internet comments on it!

Attached is a before memory drawing and two afters.

Deb Leger
12-27-2004, 09:56 PM
Looks like we need an Artbook Lovers Annonymous meeting!! Hi, my name's Deb and I have a problem - I can't resist buying art books.

I love them too.

Sultry, lol, no I don't mind.

Dave, good book report! This is your "first"? Can't wait to read the others. The book you chose, Keys to Drawing, sounds really good. I'll have to watch out for it. Looks like I'm going to have to re-join North Light Books now. Do you know how difficult it was for me to finally quit that last time? It almost physically hurt me. :D :D :D

Jay, styrofoam sheep sound like fun to do. Did you play the angel in this production? (Good thing you can't see my face when I ask that.)

CJ! I wasn't trying to get out of drawing another tree. :angel: If, by some strange quirk of fate, Jay hadn't noticed that the tree I would have posted here was the same as the one I'll post in lesson 8, wellllllllllll, them's the breaks, eh? :evil:

Judi, for someone who hasn't done a book report in thirty years, you did a great job! I love the look of coloured pencils. My oldest son, Zach, loves using them and does some great work with them. It amazes me when I see work such as you've shown in your report done with coloured pencils! Can't wait to see the project you do. Will it be a portrait? I'm in awe of you, if it is!


Deb Leger
12-27-2004, 10:11 PM
...I admit that I was concerned I would be wasting my time reading this book – I don’t go for braiding mud and twigs in my hair, candles, and incense.

........I would like some comments on this book and reasons why it raises such emotional reviews, pro and con. I would be afraid to read this book after reading internet comments on it!

I'm still laughing over your comment about not going for braiding mud and twigs in your hair! :D :D

I loved this book, though I have to admit I still haven't finished getting through it. But what I did go through, I learned a lot from and was amazed at how right Edwards' theories are.

I haven't read any of those 'against' statements you speak of on the net, but I sure wouldn't hesitate to recommend this book to anyone either. I think it's great and that anyone who doesn't have it should get it. I remember drawing a famous drawing she had in her book and I did it upside down and was amazed at how it turned out. Death of Seneca, I think it was called.

Love your before and after drawings! The eyes in the after pic are wonderful!!

Great book report! It is just so interesting reading all these book reports!


12-27-2004, 10:39 PM
I too am an art book junkie, and I am running out of space on my bookshelves.

Deb, your book report was excellent. Maltzman's "Drawing Trees" is one of the few drawing books that I don't have, and it sounded really good. I'll have to look for it in the library and/or book stores.

Dave, I have the "Keys to Drawing" book, and I have done several of the projects in it. I think it's an excellent book for a beginner, as well as someone like me who jumped right into painting and several years later realized that my lack of drawing skills was holding me back. I too haven't worked through the entire book yet, although I've READ the entire book a couple of times. That's something I tend to do, buy a book and read it and only get around to doing one or two of the lessons. Time to pick this one up again and play with it.

Judi, I've never done colored pencil, but I've looked at the Kuhlberg book and I was awed by her work. It almost made me take up colored pencil, but I just can't afford to purchase supplies in another new media. I've started experimenting with pastels and collage this year, in addition to all the money I spend on my watercolor supplies. But this is a super excellent book and if you work in colored pencil I would think it would be a must-have.

"Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain". I have this one also, and I think it's great. I've worked my way through many of the exercises in this one - they are fun, and they really help you to learn to see, and then to draw what you see. The only one I had trouble with was the one where you draw a chair by looking thru a viewfinder, and drawing the negative spaces. At the time, one of my eyes was nearsighted, and one farsighted, plus I had cataracts. If I looked thru my right eye, I could see the viewfinder, but the chair was a big blur. If I looked thru my left eye, I could see the chair fine, but couldn't see the viewfinder. I got really frustrated on that one. Now that I have trifocals and have gone through cataract surgery, I may have to try it again. :-)

Oh, this assignment is going to be so much fun, and I can see my library expanding again. Too bad I can't ask for some of these books for Christmas.

I have company again, my daughter and family are here for a week again - and they brought their little frog in his "frog habitat". My bookcase is kind of hard to get to right now because of all the stuff I've moved around to make room for my guests, and we've been doing a lot of visiting with other relatives, but I will get out some of my drawing books one day this week and see which one I'd like to do a report on.


Cathie Jones
12-27-2004, 11:31 PM
Does anyone else have books of Mark Kistler's from his Imagination Station TV show? I've never seen it on TV, but his books sure are fun!!!

12-28-2004, 06:48 AM
It is strange that Drawing on the Right Side seems to attract such virulent criticism, isn't it. I think it is a great book for giving confidence to people who never thought they could draw, which is after all what it was primarly intended to do.

12-28-2004, 09:31 AM
The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

P.S. I would like some comments on this book and reasons why it raises such emotional reviews, pro and con. I would be afraid to read this book after reading internet comments on it!

Hi, I was going to try very hard to keep my mouth shut and stay out of trouble today but I find that near impossible. I will tell you the reason is because I had an ulcer 20 years ago and the Dr. told me I had to start talking and stop keeping everything inside. OK, Now that is out I can continue. Everyone is doing a great job on their book reports! The Betty Edwards book is what brought me here. I bought it near the end of summer this year and I thought it was great. Unfortunately I got stuck and frustrated somewhere around the middle. Decided I needed some guidance after ripping up the viewfinder thingy she has you make and I threw it across the room. Have not opened the book since but it sits waiting for me on my piano bench. Emotional? yes. Why? Maybe because as a person new to drawing I was taken through some highs and lows. Encouraged and then discouraged. Hmmmm, I have felt that here as well but I can't throw my monitor.
Its all part of the learning process I guess and maybe she does get you there (to some concepts), quicker than you would discover on your own certainly.
My 2c for the day. :D

12-28-2004, 10:12 AM
Just happened to be passing by and saw your post. The reason that I did not use that book as a text is that I consider it somewhere akin to advanced music theory--I think it is a wonderful book but I would never give it to an absolute beginner--now that is an opinion of course but I could see your frustration with it--although taking it out on the viewfinder both puzzles and amuses me.

NOW THAT BEING SAID--the book report is fine and I think that people can check out the book and judge for themselves but this class is not for debate as to the worthiness of the book--we have another forum for that one.

So present the facts--do the demo--and let your class peers decide for themselves without the influence of what someone else said somewhere else.
What matters is what YOU think--not what others think.

Regarding this class--ANYTIME you are frustrated with a portion of this class just pm me and I will see if we can work it out. We are here to learn and to have fun.

You get an A+ for speaking up-- :D

Meteir--EXCELLENT BOOK REPORT :clap: :clap: :clap:

Deb--carving a sheep out of styrofoam is not unlike makeing cole slaw--you have to use a rasp to get the shape but no mayonaise. :D

12-28-2004, 10:16 AM
I don't like to be the bearer of bad news, but the tsunami tidal waves hit Blah's hometown of Chennai, India, where some 50,000 people are thought to have been made homeless. That's all I know at this time. Pray for them all.

12-28-2004, 10:19 AM
I don't like to be the bearer of bad news, but the tsunami tidal waves hit Blah's hometown of Chennai, India, where some 50,000 people are thought to have been made homeless. That's all I know at this time. Pray for them all.
That has been heavy on my mind as well.

12-28-2004, 10:50 AM
Judi, would you please post your comments also on the Main forum so everyone can see. Blah is family as far as I am concerned.

12-28-2004, 11:06 AM
Daniel M. Mendelowitz (1967) Drawing. Stanford University Press.
ISBN: 0-8047-1089-9

This is the book I wanted to do a report about, but as it isn’t a how-to-do-it book, I couldn’t really make it my proper report. I hope I’ll be forgiven for bending the rules and including it anyway! The back cover says that the book “…provides a tremendous variety of drawing techniques through a historical survey of drawing.” The joy of this book is over 300 reproductions of magnificent drawings; it was this book more than anything that made me interested in drawing as an art form in its own right, rather than as a preparation for painting. These drawings are truly inspirational.

Part one of the book is a discussion about what is drawing.

Part two is the first main part of the book. It is a historical survey of drawing from the Renaissance to the twentieth century. Who can fail to be inspired by the drawings of Leonardo, Raphael and Michelangelo? I’m especially lucky in that there are wonderful collections of the latter two artists’ work in Oxford, and I’ve actually held some of them in my own hands! There are equally inspiring drawings from all the main artistic eras, including ones by Guardi, Durer, Rembrandt, Rubens, Claude, Courbet, Constable, Seurat, Matisse, Picasso, Kollwitz, Hopper, Wyeth, Klee, and so on. This section shows how drawing has developed over the centuries, but also demonstrates the incredible variety of styles of drawing.

This theme is developed in part three, which has chapters devoted to line, form and value, and texture. One of the best drawings is a seated figure by Picasso. You can see what he meant by being able to draw like Raphael when he was a child! There are also some surprises: I wouldn’t have expected to see a virtuoso line drawing by Cezanne, for example. As regards texture, the inclusion of one of Kathe Kollwitz’s famous drawings is not exactly a surprise, but has anyone ever been able to match her amazing technique with charcoal of conte?

Part four is about drawing media, with chapters devoted to dry and wet media, respectively. In the former category, we see drawings by Ingres in the pencil section and Seurat in the section on Conte crayon---again, no surprise---but also a lovely Monet drawing in scratchboard which I’d never seen before. In the ink section is one of my all-time favourite drawings: Claude Lorrain’s “The Tiber Above Rome,” in the British Museum. This is one of the best examples of why drawing is so magical: a few dabs of brown ink are all the artist needed to create a wonderful landscape.

This isn’t a book that will give you instructions about how to draw, but if you are anything like me you can’t fail but to be excited and inspired every time you pick it up and dip into it.

12-28-2004, 11:08 AM
I don't like to be the bearer of bad news, but the tsunami tidal waves hit Blah's hometown of Chennai, India, where some 50,000 people are thought to have been made homeless. That's all I know at this time. Pray for them all.

I'm ashamed to admit that hadn't occurred to me. But I think I'm right in thinking that his recent silence started before the disaster. So, I'm hoping the silence doesn't mean anything too ominous as far as he personally is concerned. It's clearly a terrible disaster.

12-28-2004, 11:13 AM
Well, I kept thinking that maybe Blah is my missing partner in the Virtual exchange thread. I also just checked in my rockpainting group for a Malaysian friend and thank God she and her family are fine.

OK, Blah was not on the exchange list so that's not relevant. Sorry.

Cathie Jones
12-28-2004, 12:00 PM
I checked Blah's profile, and his last post was in Lesson 8, on 12/13, well before the tsunami - let's hope he's just been out of town . . . like farther inland!!!

Mary Woodul
12-28-2004, 02:19 PM
Hi! everyone, :wave:, had to go get a foot Xray this morning. I don't know what I did to my foot, but I'm a jogger and I haven't jogged for a week so what ever I did, I did walking around those malls in San Antonio, lol!

Dave, what wonderful book reports, In your first one I found chapter II very interesting because I think it is style that makes the artist and we are never taught to achieve style. Your second one sounds like a marvelous book.

Judi, you picked a glorious book and one that I would love to have. CP seems so difficult for to me and my only attemps have been done in the WDT.

Metier, I love that book and I also have her Drawing on the Artist Within
I have to admit I have not thoroughly read either one because I have always painted and what I have learned about drawing I have learned from JayD and the fabulous subbies.

Cathie, those books do sound like fun, I haven't seen them.

I have been pondering on doing mine on a book that is not really a, How to do book, and I have dicided not to because it is meant more for abstract artists. It is, Trust the Process by Shaun Mcniff. Instead I will do it on Experiential Drawing by Robert Regis Dvorák

I have also been very worried about Blah but I have my hopes up that it would be very hard for him to communicate under the circumstances of the country. :crying:

See you all later, I'll start with my report. :wave:

12-28-2004, 02:37 PM
Hi everyone :wave:

Wow I hope Blah is safe and yes he was absent way before the disaster hit.

Judi, I recieved a 120 set of prismacolor pencils last year and rarely use them because I do not know how to draw realistic with them.
Your book report convinced me to buy it. I have admired her paintings and did not realize she created a how to book.

Now if Bev Doolittle had one too, she is another artist I admire. :cat:

Dave, both your reports are very well informative and very good tools for any artist to own regardless of what level they are.

Metier, I always have liked Betty Edwards teachings.

CJ, I have not heard of any but it would be nice to learn from your book report.

Barbara, Walter Foster books are wonderful I have a few, if that is what your referring to.

I also want to say, that I am sorry for not commenting earlier on the reason why you want to learn to draw horses better. I meant to write this and went back and noted that I did not,
My condolences to your friend for her loss and I know you will do a wonderful horse portrait for her.

Mary I know your report be great on whatever you decide to do. :)

12-28-2004, 02:50 PM
Hi everyone :wave:
Wow I hope Blah is safe and yes he was absent way before the disaster hit.

Barbara, Walter Foster books are wonderful I have a few, if that is what your referring to.
I also want to say, that I am sorry for not commenting earlier on the reason why you want to learn to draw horses better. I meant to write this and went back and noted that I did not,
My condolences to your friend for her loss and I know you will do a wonderful horse portrait for her.

No problem Sultry. I spoke to him last night and he is still so upset. I won't go into the details of the options of what you have to do with a deceased horse here, but he certainly did not take the easy way out.. He can't even imagine going through pictures at this point of course.
My original reason for wanting to draw and paint horses was completely selfish as we are right near Saratoga Race Track which brings tons of tourists in the summer.
The book I have is actually a Walter Foster "Drawing with Pencil Project Book" with contributions by several artists. It is like a Reader's Digest version of several of the W.F. books I think. About my speed for my attention span. I have looked through it many times and have still not done one of the projects so this is good incentive for me. Thanks for asking.

12-28-2004, 02:58 PM
Book Report for Lesson 9
by Sultry

Title: Draw Horses With Sam Savitt
Author: Sam Savitt
ISBN Number: 0-670-28259-6
Publisher: The Viking Press (A Studio Book)
Hardcover, 96 pages

Reason why I own this book:
I always loved horses since I can remember, so much, that I used to collect pictures and books of them. I was so awe struck by them that I even wanted to be one. I remember in grade school instead of jumping over a rope, I used to have it around my waist as a type of harness and another playmate would be holding it as make shift reins behind me. I can still remember how I used to want to high step prance and be the prettiest horse on the school ground because other classmates were horses too.
So when I received this book from my parents, you can imagine how much I related to the author Sam. He to said he used to play pretend he was a horse and that he used to be a harness horse that used to actually pull his neighborhood kids on a wagon.

I was so mesmerized by the horse that I even sketched them everywhere. I remember I used to turn in my assignments with horse heads all over the pages. Thinking back on it now, I know I my poor teachers must of really disliked hunting in a doodling maze for my math or language.


Sam describes his fascination for the horse and also how to use this book.
He rationalizes the basis to paint the horse in an accurate realistic manner, is to analyze the horse and to experience the horses’ behavior.

This will enable the artist to draw with precise knowledge of the horse along with what he sees so the drawing will even be more convincing (and what the artist does not see).

* Skeletal
* Muscles
* Parts
* Photos
* Live horses
To take baby steps in learning to draw the horse by realizing how a horse would re-act and not re-act by observing and memorizing.

1/ Parts Of The Horse
Shows 31 Horse Parts so the artist will recognize what he is referring to in later chapters.
Supplies drawings and how to draw parts of the horse from geo shapes and to understand how they fit in when the horse is displaying different expressions.

*Head - Rectangle; diamond; ovals

*Ears - cylinder funnels

*Eyes - front view slanted half ovals; side view rounded edged triangle
When drawing the horse head from the front, never draw the eyes on the front of the face but on the side.

*Nostrils - oval or
Relaxed - 6
Excited - O
Sniffing or reaching - flattened stretched out 6

*Legs & hooves - Drawings of different positions: front; side; behind and to see the negative shape when sketching them (also underneath the hoof).

*Body - Cylinders that fit together
He shows the artist that the body fits in a square device to over all portion the body & legs to make an ideal conformation horse.
Note each horse varies in conformation but the square device is good to use and then to alter it fit the horse the artist is drawing.
He explains the distance of each body part and how they relate to other parts in distance.
He shows 6 diagrams
One ex. The distance from the top of the withers to the ground is the same distance of the point of shoulder to the rump.
Shows 25 Skeletal Parts for the artist to understand how the skeletal parts connect and function and not function.
Shows 17 Muscle Parts for the artist to remember how the shape and contour of each muscle, so you will be able to apply the correct line textures.

2/ The Horse In Motion
So the artist will comprehend how the horse functions.
One ex. Walking- when the left front hoof begins to leave the ground, the right hind hoof will follow.
How the horse carries its head differently when they walk. Some may carry it high and others low.
Step by step drawings of a horse in action:
Walking 1 to 12 figures
Trot 1 to 9 figures
Gallop 1 to 9 figures
Canter 1 to 10 figures
Pace 1 to 9 figures
Amble 1 to 9 figures
Jump from start to land
Other positions: falling; rearing; bucking; climbing; descending down; rolling over; lying down; frolicking; shaking; scratching; shying; grazing; fighting

3/ Variations of the Horse
Drawings of different breeds
Drawings of ponies
Drawings of older horses
Drawings of foals; colts and fillies
Drawings of horses in the wild
Drawings of horses with riders & etiquettes
Drawings of different tack and saddles on the horse
Also touches on - Conformation; Markings; Conformation faults; Heights

4/ Drawing Techniques
Overlay Method
This method can be used for correcting or changing a drawing.
The artist learns to save part of the drawing and overlay a clean piece of paper to trace it on. Transfers to a new paper.
Corrective Drawing
Ex. The artist drew the horse with too long front legs; he can transfer the rest of the horse that is accurately drawn to the new paper and re-draw the legs there or practice drawing them on a separate paper and add them. This will keep the drawing of the horse well portioned with out having to erase.
Changed Drawing
Ex. The artist drew the horse grazing and decided to have the head raised or visa versa.
Drawing Action
He demonstrates gesture strokes by using a single line to display the action of the movement of the horse. To add the rest of the geo shapes to the line to draw the horse.
He explains how to use the lines to show movement.
Making Corrections
Look at the drawing in a mirror or trace the drawing on a sheet of tracing paper and turn it over and look at it with a fresh view.
To correct the mistakes on the wrong side and erase them on the right side by flopping back and forth till the drawing is corrected on both sides of the tracing paper.
General relationship of forms within a silhouette is the same in ¾ view shows distances of body parts whether the horse is facing or turned away from viewer.
Where to place the rider
Drawings of the horse from all angles and positions with a rider
Explains the photograph can distort the actual conformation of a horse and by properly seeing the photo flaw.
Ex. A picture of a horse from the behind may show the rump way too large.
If you trace the horse photograph and look at the traced drawing, it causes the eye to see the distorted parts.
This also helps to correct it on the tracing paper.

He started out as an illustrator for Dell Comics from Western Printing in 1951 where a line of comics for Gene Autry's horse Champion had already been started.
His paintings and drawings are displayed at *Museum of the American West: Autry National Center and *The Roy Rogers-Dale Evans Museum & Happy Trails Theater.
Books He illustrated
One Horse, One Hundred Miles, One Day
The Dingle Ridge Fox and Other Stories
Great Horses of the United States Equestrian Team with Bill Steinkraus
Vicki and the Brown Mare
Vicki and the Black Horse
Wild Horse Running
Sam Savitt’s True Horse Stories
How to Take Care Of Your Horse Until the Vet Comes with Herb Martin
Ups and Downs with Susanne Wilding
Equestrian Olympic Sketchbook
America’s Horses
A Day at the L.B.J. Ranch
Rodeo: Cowboys, Bulls and Broncos
Around the World with Horses
There Was a Horse

Cathie Jones
12-28-2004, 09:00 PM
:clap: There are some really terrific book reports here! Sults, I won't be doing a report on the Kistler book - it's just for fun and meant for children - the shading, etc., are pretty much below the level we're at now (boy, doesn't that sound pretentious!) and it's too heavy to travel with. I'll take something else to play with while we're gone.

The mailman didn't deliver the book JayD assigned to me today, and we'll be gone by mail delivery time tomorrow, so my report will wait until next week.

12-28-2004, 09:17 PM
CJ--don't worry-that is why we have the two weeks.

I honestly did not expect you folks to whip these up so fast and so enthusiastically.

12-28-2004, 10:12 PM
I just wanted to join with you all in prayers and hope that Blah and his family are well.

ps I am enjoying the book reports ( you guys ARE FAST :( ) and looking forward to the rest.

thanks Jayd, Great Idea!!

12-28-2004, 10:23 PM

I am going to post my B4 horse drawing (not B4 the book, could not find one) but I am not sure how long ago I did this.

I am also going to post my current WIP drawing (you have already commented on this) that I have started last week. I have completed the horse part in the drawing.

I whipped through this because it is the end of the year and due to the fact I also handle the books at my job, I will be pulled away from my personal hobbies. :(

I also would like to say it would be nice to see everyone's WIP projects too. LOL class must really love me. :evil: :cat:

First one is the horse done years ago

Second is WIP which I will be doing in acyrlics later.

edited to add ...Hiyas Gina :wave:

Cathie Jones
12-28-2004, 10:32 PM
:clap: Wow! Look what the mailman left on my doorstep instead of in the mailbox!! Guess I can take it with me after all. Now, to find the time to read it.

I have to tell you that this is photo realism as I've never seen it before. I would never have bought this book on my own . . . it looks waaaaaaay beyond my abilities. But then I have more confidence than before, we'll see what happens.

Cathie Jones
12-28-2004, 10:42 PM
Forgot to say Hi :wave: to Gina!

Sults, we cross-posted. Nice horse(s) . . . I like the new one better. Can't wait to see it painted.

Still waiting for word from Blah . . . and hoping to catch a glimpse of his area on the news.

12-28-2004, 11:28 PM
Mary, :wave: Hope your foot feels better soon, you can sit and draw though :D
Hey Gina :wave: You back?
CJ, Glad you got your book! The little dino is adorable :)
Sultry, Nice horses!
Everbody, I have read a couple of the reports and they are great, now where is my North Light Books catalog.....
I was busy all day with my MIL at the hospital and will read the rest of the reports and posts tomorrow. Good night.

I did do a little surfing for Blah's hometown:

Hopefully Blah is safe! This is a partial news report on his city gives great hope:
(from XINHUA online)

CHENNAI, India, Dec. 28 (Xinhuanet) -- The life in Chennai, capital of the worst-affected state of Tamil Nadu in south India, came back to normalcy Tuesday after suffering the severe killer waves on Sunday morning.
"We are trying to resume the life here after the tsunami hit our city and killed around 200 people along the beach of Marina," N. R. Harikumar, press relations officer in the Information and Tourism Department of Tamil Nadu, told Xinhua.
He said most of the dead were old people and children playing along the beach when the tsunami engulfed the whole area all of a sudden around 6:30 Sunday morning.
Police in the city of Chennai, which has a population of some 10 million, are still cordoning off the Marina beach and roads leading to the seafront remain closed to prevent further casualties from any aftershocks, even though the sea is calming down.
"The state government is now busy with the relief work and distribution of relief materials, including food and medicine, to the most-affected areas like Nagapattinam, Kanniyakumari, Pondicherry and some other places," Harikumar said. Relief materials and donations were coming in from all over the country.
Life is back to normal in the city with people resuming their work. Hospitals are working hard to take care of the wounded from the huge tidal waves.

Please continue to pray for all!

12-29-2004, 02:57 AM
OH! a thread about books...what a great idea !!

I wish I had thought about that one ..too!! :D

I remind you that pictures of the books will be deleted for sure, same as happened with pictures in my threads, due to lacking written permission from the book's author.......yup, caca happens !!

keep it up !!

12-29-2004, 06:24 AM

Thanks for posting the news from Chennai. It sounds awful, but it does give hope that Blah is OK.

12-29-2004, 07:26 AM
OK, I need help...I seem to be going through a can't-draw-anything-at-all phase. I've tried to start several drawings over the past week or two, and they have all come out really badly---I mean even worse than usual!! I've tried a building, but the perspective came out all wrong. I've tried the picture from Stoy's thread, and that was a complete mess. I tried a tree stump, but it just looked like a shapeless lump! Has this happened to anyone else? What should I do?? :eek: :(

12-29-2004, 09:33 AM
Hi everyone,
I went to my local art supply store and bought a set of graphite pencils yesterday and finished my "bicycle thingy" last night and posted in lesson 6. I am such a doodah that all along from day one I have either been using a regular #2 pencil or this set of charcoal pencils I had from a year ago. What a difference the graphite makes! Well, in feeling anyway - we'll see if there is a difference in my work.

Dave, You could take your own advice - LOL - lower your standards! Just kidding. Maybe you just need to clear you head - go for a walk or do something completely different than drawing.

Sultry, I have to go buy that book now - thanks for doing your report on that and I am looking forward to the day someone says my drawings and paintings of horses are really good!

CJ - That looks like a great book.

Judi, Thanks for keeping us informed on the Chennai area.

Got to go back to work - talk later. I am still working towards the book report. Maybe this weekend I can get it done.

Deb Leger
12-29-2004, 09:41 AM
OK, I need help...I seem to be going through a can't-draw-anything-at-all phase. I've tried to start several drawings over the past week or two, and they have all come out really badly---I mean even worse than usual!! I've tried a building, but the perspective came out all wrong. I've tried the picture from Stoy's thread, and that was a complete mess. I tried a tree stump, but it just looked like a shapeless lump! Has this happened to anyone else? What should I do?? :eek: :(

Hi Dave,

Happens to me every now and then too. I find, if I've had a few that's-horrible-and-I'm-going-to-rip-it-up type of drawings or paintings in a row, then it's time to draw or paint something that I really KNOW and that I know I'll do okay with.

It's hard not to get frustrated but it happens to everyone.

I guess each of us finds little things to do to work through the "I-don't-know-how-to-draw/paint-anymore's" and to get over the blocks. Some of my favourites are to completely clean my palettes (watercolour), look through some art magazines or books, re-arrange my painting table. Those usually get me all fired up again.

But most of all, know that it's not just you - the self-doubt creeps up to everyone now and then.


12-29-2004, 10:33 AM
Hi everyone :wave:

Thanks for the C & C on the horses CJ, Judi and Barbara

Mary hope you feel better.

Ughhh I awoke with a headache from hell but I wanted to comment on a few things.

CJ, I cannot wait for your report, J.D.H. is one of my favorites and I have wanted his book for awhile.

Judi, Thank you for the News Update (CHENNAI, India, Dec. 28 (Xinhuanet), I was watching CNN and it is so horrible now they are in fear of diseases and death toll could higher. :(

Dave I know exactly what you mean and Deb is correct. I was working on my self portrait last week and just could not get it to come out (so much so (I tore the dang thing up :mad: ) which I do regret doing :( I also, was not happy with my tree but it was promised as a gift so I could not touch that.

I was so frustrated I told my sister and she reminded me "but you draw horses so well you know". I was not at all in the mood for anything, was very on edge from shopping that day too. Maybe the holiday and birthday excitements have your emotions high Dave? just a thought.

Anyways, I decided to relax and would just doodle and not try to please anyone but just let my pencil do as it pleases, so to speak. I thought about sketching the horse and decided to try that and you know what? It felt good to do something I knew and felt safe in doing.

The horse started to look like my beloved "Troubles" and so I kept drawing and added myself. The drawing was so calming because it also took me back to sweet memory, so of course I added "Pirate" my dear parted collie.

In fact, it gave me inspiration to figure out the lights and darks. I even was able to go back to my tree and apply what I learned from the horse.

So, do not worry Dave this to shall pass. I think with me, I was trying to hard to learn and was not really relaxing and letting my artistic juices flow.

Try drawing something you know and feel comfortable it will come back to you. Just do not try so hard.

Barbara, I did not cover all of the book so there is so much to learn from it.

12-29-2004, 11:02 AM
It happens to me all the time, Dave. When it happens with watercolors, I usually try another media for a while. That's how I got started playing with pastels last year. If you "can't" draw anything right, try painting some abstracts or doing a collage. Anything to get you into the artistic mood without worrying about drawing. As you "play around" your artistic juices will start flowing and you will be able to get back to drawing with more confidence and enthusiasm.


12-29-2004, 06:19 PM
Great!! I finally catch up to the class and you're doing a BOOK REPORT :( :(

I have not yet read the reports posted so far, but dumped them to the printer for later reading off-line.

I am working with 2 books right now....the De Reyna book and "Figure Drawing For All It's Worth" by Andrew Loomis. It is out of print but is available used, at libraries, and also on the net as a pdf file, so I think I will write my report on it.


Mary Woodul
12-29-2004, 07:30 PM
Hi everyone, :wave: I just finished my book report and I will post it in the next post. Thank you Judi for updating us on the situation in Chennai and thanks for your concern about my foot. It is better although there are some lesions there but I am a hard head and they will have to disappear because I have no time for that, but of course I will sit at my computer or drawing desk more to give it a rest, ha,ha. :evil:

Thank you also Sultry and I loved reading your report. It is a book that I will try to get because we have a dear Italian friend that has horses out at our ranch and he always brings us gifts from Italy and I would like to give him a drawing of one of his horses. I know that, is a very hard project to do. Your drawings are very good. :cat:

Dave, I know how you feel, I am going through that right now with painting, I can't seem to go back to what I was doing a year ago, but I know it happens to everyone and it is very good to change mediums and experiment with styles or just play around with some paint and brushes.

Cathie, that looks like a very good book, another one to keep in mind. Have a good trip and happy new year!!! :D

Hi Gina, Barbara, Michelle, Jet8where are you, stranger???). Hi Deb :D
Joe, we will be looking forward to your report :clap:

JayD, thank you again for all of the fun and experience you are allowing us with your hard work. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Deb Leger
12-29-2004, 07:46 PM

For anyone who hasn't yet read the thread regarding Blah, he's answered and is okay!


Mary Woodul
12-29-2004, 08:01 PM
Book Report for Lesson 9
by Mary Woodul: Experiential Drawing
Author: Robert Regis Dvorák
ISBN Number: 1-56052-065-5
Publisher: CRISP PUBLICATIONS ,INC. Los Altos, California
Copyright 1991

I bought this book several years ago the way I buy most of my books, for reference, and knowing that sometime it would be useful to me.

This is an easy reading, How to do book, with a strong focus on the personal touch and creativity in drawing, without ignoring the technical aspects of it.

Robert Regis invented the Experiential Drawing method of teaching in 1976 and since then has presented this course as a two – day workshop for hundreds of people. As he says, experiential drawing is an attitude, and approach to drawing that will allow you to experience your creativity, increase your visual perception and participate in spontaneous artistic self-expression.

The book is devided into three major parts: The Principal, The Applications, and The Rewards


Chapter 1- Eperiential Drawing is about the approach, the strategy and crossing the magic line, in other words, a line that separates rational thinking and creative expression.

Chapter 2- Building a Strong Foundation. This chapter consists of some exercises to achieve benefits and change attitudes, resulting in goals and purposes, thus taking responsibility for your experience in drawing.

Chapter 3- Becoming Competent Deals with breaking imagination and talent blocks with several exercises as scribbling, line expression and color seeing.

Chapter 4- Being Creative Internal and external criticism is covered here, together with creativity and pointers on eliminating external distractions.

Chapter 5- Body and Mind Awareness This chapter concentrates on the importance of the body and the mind using exercises on letting go and deep breathing.

Chapter 6- Visual Awareness This is a unique chapter with several techniques such as the nose pencil technique or blind contour drawing that helps make you aware of the object with our really seeing it. I see these execises as complete concentration on mind and hand connection.

Chapter 7- Making Distinctions The line is taken into consideration here. Stressing importance on the spontaneous line and the use of different drawing instruments. Compostion is also tackeled in the chapter with the use of lines.

Chapter 8- Facing Faces I will use this chapter for my Project and believe it will be a great challenge for me. It covers face drawing, learning through exercises such as blind contour drawing of a face and self portrait.

Chapter 9- Life Drawing Drawing with model sessions, using energetic blind contour drawing, ovals and foreshortening and capturing the essence by quick and energetic drawings.

Chapter 10- Creating Illusions This chapter includes secrets that create style, with examples of the different line techniques of the Masters. How to achieve the illusion of depth by overlapping and the use of concave and convex lines. The relative size, gradients, light, shade, shadow plus hatching and cross-hatching. These are all tricks to accomplish 3D drawing.

Chapter 11- Linear Perspective – Robert Regis teaches the problem of perspective by using a experential approach using the same rules we have learned in our 101 class and the same happens with ellipses.

Chapter 12 – More Applications In this chapter we wll find the different instruments we can use to attain different effects, such as the bamboo pen, the dry brush, ink wash, fountain pen, and ink and water.


Chapter 13 and 14 - These are like a bonus in this book. Chapter 13 teaches us how to talk about a drawing using tools like, opinions, understanding, experience, excitement, enthusiasm, like and dislikes, feeling and above all jumping over the magic line and using your creative expression and nonjudgemental seeing, while Chapter 14 has a series of examples of subjects to draw, like chairs, shoes, old cars, etc.

Chapter 15- Drawing for the Joy of it This is to me, the conclusion of the book and to conclude with the book report I will quote a paragraph of what Robert Regis says.

“If the process of drawing is a relaxing fullfilling activity, the resulting images, the evidence of your experience will demostrate that. Every time you begin a drawing, you take a new risk. Even with a subject you have drawn many times, the latest drawing is always your newest challenge.”

12-29-2004, 08:05 PM
Yeyyyyyyyyyy yes I saw that Deb that is great news :clap:

Joe wow you sure did catch up and with quality work too in all you have submitted :wave: welcome to class 9 and I so want Andrew Loomis's books but the price is just too high for me right now. So, your book report on his figure book is going to be a treat for me. :)

Mary I am sure you would do a wonderful horse picture for your Italian friend :) you do wonderful work now. Thank you for the C & C also :) By the way, a certain Italian friend of mine likes this drawing so much he has asked me to paint it for our bedroom. :cat: Yup my bf is Sicillian lol I am Mexican so with my cooking we are turning Mexicillian.

edited to add...Sorry Mary we must of x posted at the same time,,, I like your report very good and cannot wait to the face project. :)

12-29-2004, 09:20 PM
Joe, I have been watching you in AWE as you sped through the courses--I am out of breath. Don't forget that the book report does include doing a project INSPIRED by your book--in other words now that you talked the talk--walk the walk :evil: I think it will inspiring seeing what you folks come up with.

12-29-2004, 09:34 PM
Evening All :wave:

JayD, :wave:

Good day here :D Hope to see Blah again soon!

Meiter, Wonderful book report. :clap: I did not know there was so much controversy about it. I have had the book for maybe 4 months, but have never gotten too far in it, not for any particular reason. I do plan on going thru the exercises though, it's just a matter of when.

Hey Deb, :wave: After reading all these book reports I might need to join your Artbook Lovers Annonymous group. I do love to read. I am doing a portrait of my son Luke when he was three (22 now) a favorite pic of mine, but don't be in awe till you see it. I will be posting an attempt of the portrait earlier this year (which is really a hoot!) B4 I read the book, then this will be my second attempt. It does seem to be going better, with Ann to guide me, but I can screw it up yet!

Stacy and Barb:Good to see you!

Dave, :wave: Two book reports? How many more? :evil: Keys to Drawing sounds interesting. Can you show us an example of his work? And 'Drawing'.. I love looking at Masters works, they just take your breath away! Two good reports there! Hope your artist block ends soon!

Sults, :wave: I have two sets of 120 ct. Prismacolors (one was a gift) and I think this size of a set contains a lot of pencils that may never be used. I am buying a lot of loose stock to replentish the ones mostly used. Many are untouched.
Horses are beautiful animals for sure! Your second horse is much better than the first, but the first one is appealing also. Looking forward to seeing your project. Very detailed report! :clap:

CJ, :wave: Didn't enlarge the thumbnail yesterday to notice that book is one I just got too! Anxious to read your report. :D I haven't gotten to read much of this one because of the shopping marathon and holiday.

Hey Joe :music: (I think of Hendrix every time I write this) You sure caught up fast, and your work is fantastic! I wasn't real thrilled about doing a book report either but it turned out to be a good experience to re-read and do the work immediatley. Reading everyones elses report is inspiring also!

Mary, :wave: That sounds like a GREAT book! :clap:

Gina(lisa) where are you???????? :D

Cathie Jones
12-29-2004, 10:18 PM
Hi from Seattle! Brought the rain with us all the way from SoCal! Wouldn't be Seattle without rain, though, would it?

:clap: Yipppeeee ... haven't read Blah's post yet, but I'm so glad he's okay! I'll run over there next.

Judi, I would never have bought this book without JayD's prompting (actually I was TOLD to do my book report on this one). http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Dec-2004/23460-bullwhip_smiley.gif

See y'all in the morning. There's some good classical music on TV and I'm gonna go watch it.

12-30-2004, 05:55 AM
I so want Andrew Loomis's books but the price is just too high for me right now.

Sults, this book is available on the web here, (http://www.saveloomis.org/FigureDrawing/figure.htm) along with several other of his books.

Judi, I don't know of any links to Dodson's drawings, but you can see some of his watercolours here. (http://artbarkgallery.com/portfolio.php?aid=102)

Great reports, everyone. Hope to have a go at the drawing part of the project later today.

Great news about Blah! :D

12-30-2004, 09:03 AM
Just checking in to say hello to everyone :wave:
I did the first project from my book - for my book report (will post all on the weekend). I am so proud. I think I have reached a turning point where I am really enjoying drawing.
Mary, Excellent report - I got stuck on the nose pencil technique though? Please splain. Or maybe I shouldn't ask. LOL
Did Ann go away for the holidays? Haven't seen her in awhile. I know Jet is lurking because he pops up every once in awhile.
Joe, You have zoomed by me so fast I can feel the breeze! Wonderful tree with butterfly.
JayD (or anyone who remembers or can answer), Did lesson one go through the kinds/#s of graphite pencils? For someone like me who was using charcoal pencils by accident; I need to go back for this - really basic I know, but I need to learn. I did make my own little chart with the new pencils I bought - there is one called a "layout pencil" that came with them. Maybe someone could introduce me to its uses other than line drawing? If I am muddying up the waters, let me know and please direct me to the correct lesson to find the answers. Thank you so much. Gee, Maybe someday I will have to change my WC name to bjcpaints+draws! :evil: :D Yeah, I know, Don't quit your day job. LOL Have a great day everyone.

12-30-2004, 10:33 AM
For the first three or four classes I limited your pencils to the number 2--common office pencil but now you are allowed to use all of your superpower enhancing pencils at your disposal. The first classes were to help yo break your comfort zone. :)

Mary Woodul
12-30-2004, 12:44 PM
Hi everyone :wave:

Sultry, I'd love to taste you Mexicillian food :clap: Your combining the two best foods in the world.

Cathie, have a wonderful time in Seattle, nothing like watching classical music on a rainy night.

Dave, that's a good link, I had no idea the whole book was on it.

Barbara :D Ha.ha, my reaction was the same as yours. I didn't get into to it because I was not sure I understood. Here it goes......This is what Robert Regis D. says,

"The Nose Pencil Technique Imagine that you have an imaginary pencil that extends from your nose to the exact point of your visual attention. The pencil goes wherever your interest goes. It can stretch to the farthest point your eye can see and can shrink to the closest point.

When you finish reading this paragraph, look around the room with your imaginary nose pencil. As you discover objects in the room, move your pencil around the contours of the objects at different distances. Notice that your head will move as you trace the object.

Now do the same with the words you are reading. Notice that your head moves back and forth along the lines as you read with your nose pencil. Most of us have the habit of holding our head still. Get in the habit of keeping your head moving as you draw. Guide your nose pencil to find and follow the lines of your subject."

Does this sound too far fetched? JayD, what do you think? I really don't even know where I bought this book but it was the shortest one I had. After starting my project I'll find out how effective it is. :cat:

12-30-2004, 12:58 PM
Title - "Drawing Landscapes in Pencil"
Author – Ferdinand Petrie
ISBN number – 0-8230-2645-0
Copyright 1979 Watson-Guptill Publications

I first became interested in this book after seeing Ferdinand Petrie give a demonstration on landscape drawing for my art club. In the demo he used a 2B pencil, but he explained that he usually uses from a 6H to a 6B.

In Chapter 1 of his book, Petrie discusses his materials and pencil preferences. He works on a masonite board with his drawing paper bull-dog clipped to it, and he does his drawings on the spot. His drawings are not photorealistic, but they are far more finished than a quick sketch. They are wonderful to look at, with textures, lost and found edges, and foggy backgrounds that are almost whispers. Many are of New England fishing villages.

In Chapter 2, he has the usual how-to book instructions about holding the pencil, loosening up, and making value scales. He then demonstrates a series of different strokes that can be used to indicate texture in his drawings, shows how to make several different, value studies of your intended drawing, and explains the difference between a squared off drawing and a vignette. He prefers the vignette because he likes having some white paper show, and he likes his drawings to have room to breathe.

In Chapters 3 through 7 he has step-by-step demos of various subjects such as trees, mountains, hills and rocks, houses and cityscapes, boats, harbors and reflections. Although he is famous for his seascapes and harbor scenes, he is equally at home drawing barns, houses, and cityscapes. In fact, one of his drawings shows South Street Seaport in NYC.

Chapter 8 discusses how to draw from photographs, and he discusses ten photos and the drawings that he did from them. He explains how he edits the photo to make a more interesting composition, and a more pleasing drawing. Always the purist, he also explains why he prefers to work outdoors from life.

Chapter 9 is a brief lesson on matting and framing.

Chapter 10 is a portfolio of drawings, including more harbor scenes and boats, a waterfall or two, several scenes involving houses, and many, many trees.

I do not own this book, but have taken it out of the library so many times that it feels like mine. I love looking at the landscapes in this book, and it has inspired me to sketch outdoors on my vacations. The book is still available through online bookstores like Amazon.

For my project, I plan to copy one of the demos, and then also do a drawing of my own (probably from a photo since the weather in New Jersey right now is not inspiring me to sit outdoors for any period of time).


12-30-2004, 01:14 PM
I don't think it is too far fetched at all--now that being said I would personally feel silly project an invisible pencil from my nose--kind of a graphite mosquito if you will. But why not? Try it and see it it work. The real trick would be to try it on yourself in the mirror--will your eyes cross? :D

Seriously, though this sound like one of those moments when you should experiment so definitely give it a try. Let us know what you think! :)

12-30-2004, 01:30 PM
Mary I have heard of the nose pencil :) it is a great way to memorize what you see. I am not sure what book I read it in but it was mentioned to try it with music. lol

Don't ask me why it said music but I have done it before and it does help me to remember shapes when I am not home. Of course people do look at you funny lol.

Hey Mary I always make alot food your welcome anytime :)

Dave I have seen that link before infact sent it Judi for her granddaughter picture so she could read on children and how to portion them. I just would like to build my art library with at least one of his books. :)

Judi I am going to buy that book for sure. :) I was too intimidated by the CPs. but this course has me believing I could learn them too.

Barbara, I can feel the excitement in your words...yeyyy I am happy for you. :)

Michelle great book report :)

12-30-2004, 03:10 PM
Michelle, good report, :clap: I enjoy doing landscapes also. Looking forward to seeing yours. Are you going to do a landscape from your locale?

Sultry, :wave: I am a bit intimidated myself right now. I am about to start Lukes face and I am quite nervous about it. :(
Posting stage one. In the book it told you how to do light brown hair and blonde, so I had to go inbetween as that is how his hair was. I have his hair 80% done and the first two washes on his face. I used the 'brillo pad' technique for his face and under layers on his hair. His hair took near three hours, but I'm not in a race so that's OK.

12-30-2004, 03:44 PM
Nice report Michelle - I'm looking forward to your landscape. :clap:

Judi - You did a GREAT job on the hair! :clap:

Mary - I am glad the nose pencil was not what I thought. LOL

12-30-2004, 03:55 PM
Judi, this is great! :clap: Just one thing: what is the "brillo pad technique?" :confused:

Nice report, Michelle. I've never tried landscapes in pencil...seems quite a challenge to me!

12-30-2004, 10:04 PM
The brillo pad technique is an Ann Kullberg term--I think it most resembles a technique called "scumbling". It gets the brillo term from the way it looks--kind of scribbling into a brillo-like texture.

Judi--the hair is wondrous--very nice! :clap: :clap: :clap:

12-30-2004, 11:01 PM
Thanks Barb, Dave and JayD. I was pretty happy with the hair, but I majorly messed up his face. I'll look at it again in the morning, but I am pretty certain I will be starting over. I'll see what I can get off with tape first. :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:

12-30-2004, 11:42 PM
Judi, wow you are doing a wonderful job with the hair I am just sitting here in awe and excited to see more. I went to A.K.'s site and I took a look at her free trial magazine, wow I am hooked. :)

Jay I x posted my project in the animal/wildlife fora also so I could get some C & C from them too. I was told my back ground is too busy so I (lol) I sawed down some trees. :cat: Could use Michelle's library book. Since this picture is all done from memory I am having a time with shading.

Barb, since you know of Walter Foster do you know who the artist is who does the cats for him. I would like to see if she has site too. I just cannot remember her name. :(

12-31-2004, 01:06 PM
Sultry - Her name is Mia Tavonalti. I just happen to be posting my book report. :cat:
I tried to go to work twice today (1st time got halfway down my road, 2nd time got halfway down the mountain). Roads here are glare ice so I called in and am home with my animals. :D Looked for the WDE but could not find pics, so I worked on my book report instead and here it is:

Title: Pencil Drawing
Project Book for Beginners
ISBN 1-56010-739-1
Walter Foster Publishing, Inc.

This book has Eleven lessons (my lucky # :D )
All by the esteemed William F. Powell with the following exceptions:
Lesson 4 Horses & Ponies by Michelle Maltseff
Lesson 5 Cats & Kittens by Mia Tavonalti and Mike Butkus
and Lessons 9,10, & 11 by Mike Butkus - Portraits, Children, & Figures respectively

Pretty neat + easy and to the point

Intro - stresses practice
Then there are about 6 pages giving an overview of tools & materials, warmups, techniques including textures, sketching, negative space, and beginning with basic shapes.
Lesson 1 - Fruit - I have submitted my first attempts here. The next project in fruit is strawberries (have painted these!) but I did not draw them yet.
Lesson2 - Flowers - Can't wait to try these in graphite - a Poppy, a Pansy and a Floribunda Rose.
Lesson 3 - Dogs! A Great Dane and an Old English Sheepdog
LESSON 4 - HORSES and PONIES - they only give an Arabian and a Shetland pony. : (
Lesson 5 - Cats & kittens
Lesson 6 - Still Lifes - with the drapery - (why did I not look at this for our last class) :mad:
Lesson 7 - Textures - I am looking forward to this for backgrounds especially
Lesson 8 - Landscapes
and 9-11 as described above.
Well, the home PC is acting up and I hope I don't lose this so here goes.
Oh yeah, check out the price $6.95 US funds and of course, being frugal :angel: I used a 40% off coupon at Michaels and figured I could not go wrong.

12-31-2004, 01:11 PM
What a bargain! Sounds very useful too.

12-31-2004, 01:19 PM
I wasn't sure I had any drawing books I could use for a report, then remembered I had worked through most of Betty Edward's Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain. I reviewed it and wrote out a long report. When I logged on to post it, Metier had beat me to it! Back to the drawing board (figuratively.) This another that I have read and enjoyed but not actually done anything from. But it is a direction I am headed, love plein air painting, and hope to use this in the future. I will do a project and post that later.
All the reports are so good that I am tempted to go shopping.

The Sierra Club Guide to Sketching in Nature
Cathy Johnsom
ISBN : 0-87156-554-4
The book starts out with several chapters on the basics of sketching, including tools, equipment, working procedures, basic skills and using the light and shadows. There are generous illustrations and each step has examples that apply to sketching in the open. Different methods and applications are compared and the use of each is explained. Basic steps in drawing are covered.
A chapter is devoted to observation and ways of keeping notes in the field. Special equipment to supplement the usual tools are discussed.
The use of color and how it enhances the sketches is included, with an entire chapter devoted to watercolor sketching. There are specific chapters for sketching landscape, plants and flowers, trees, and animals.
It ends with a chapter summarizing the use of sketching in constructing larger, finished drawings and paintings as well as keeping travel notebooks and increasing your general awareness of nature.

My opinion: The author is very enthusiastic about her subject and makes a good case for sketching as a tool and as a pleasure in itself. Her explanations are clear and useful for visual and verbal note taking. Her style of writing is very easy to read. Even with all this, I think the person using this would have to have some basic knowledge of drawing techniques before using this book.
I read this book about 1 1/2 years ago but stopped after reading rather than applying it. This an area I would like to add to my life and hope that now I will do that, but do not have any "before" projects to show. I will post something later as my current project.

12-31-2004, 01:24 PM
My friends- Dave & Connie - I see we are here together - Happy New Year.
Enthusiam goes a long way, doesn't it Connie. I have way too many projects going and am going to weed thru them this weekend and hopefully feel a bit lighter by Monday. :D Best wishes to you both!

12-31-2004, 02:32 PM
Connie, you can still post the Betty Edwards report if you want--always good to get different points of view. Go ahead an post it if you want. I am glad you posted this book--isn't it amazing where you can find drawing books nowadays?

Mary Woodul
12-31-2004, 04:36 PM

Judi, I love the way your portrait is coming along, I'm sure it will be beautiful.

Barbara, a good book report and certainly a bargain with a lot of information.

Connie we almost picked the same book but I like your interpretation of it.

JayD and class I wish you all a very happy New Year full of blessings for the next year.

12-31-2004, 05:09 PM
Happy 2005 everyone,

Thank you Mary & we plan to have a nice quiet Rib eye dinner at home and bring in the New Year. :)

Connie I never heard of that book but I do like what it entails :)

Barb now I want that book too :) great report & ty for the info

Judi your WIP project looks great

I guess I should show my WIP too (have not had alot of time to work on it).

The foreground trees are giving me alot of trouble I need to look for a close up of the pine needles so I can do the detail correctly.

Have a Safe NY celebration everyone

12-31-2004, 05:43 PM
JayD and Company :wave:

JayD, Dave, Mary and Sults, Thanks...almost scrapped it last night but it is coming along better today.

Barb, :wave: Thanks. My sisters all save me their 40% Michaels coupons, It's the only way to purchase from there. I can go two or three time as week! Good report. :clap: :clap: Are you going to draw something from each lesson! :evil: Your fruit looks good to eat!

Connie, :wave: Good report also.. :clap: :clap: Are you going to do the second report like Dave? :D


Fireman's kid
12-31-2004, 06:14 PM
To all the Basic 101ers :wave: Hi and Happy New Year!! I am here too, but am doing my posting back in lesson 6 since I fell way behind in December. I hope to do some more drawing tonight. Hubby and I haven't gone out on New Year's Eve since having the little ones. Too expensive and too worried about the other drivers on the road.

So far this lesson is one of my favorite to read! I am going to have to increase my art budget just so I can buy more books. So many of them listed here sound great. Hmmm...maybe I better start going to the library instead of the bookstore. :D

Barbara, your drawing has made me hungry for some yummy, juicy fruit. I miss tasty fruits and veggies during the winter months. :(

Sultry, your drawing is coming along beautifully. You do have a knack for drawing horses!

Judy, I love how you did the hair! Drawing hair is always intimidating to me. I can't wait to see your next update.

Well, enough goofing off for me. I better go start working on getting dinner ready.

Happy New Year Everyone!! "See" you in 2005! :D

12-31-2004, 07:44 PM
OOops! I saved the new report over the old one, so that is gone, aren't computers wonderful? This is a quick sketch, done in pencil and colored pencils, just as Cathy Johnson says. I have a basket of bulbs that arrived just before Christmas, present from my daughters, and it is bursting with new plants every day and will bloom soon, I think. More every month for 6 months. The purpose here is to keep track of the growing pattern. This is a simple project, but IF I could do it every day, sketching something, I am sure I would be more observant and appreciate the world around me more.

12-31-2004, 11:44 PM
Hiyas Stacy lol don't feel bad I am home too and enjoying it :) & ty for the nice C&C (oh and I saw your cone and twiggy trees very very good) & good luck on the bike thingy Barbara did a good job on that too.

Judi you better not scrap it girl <inserts finger shaking icon here>

Connie that is so pretty and what a wonderful thought that art can open our eyes in so many ways to not only improve are artistic eyes but to also appreciate nature for its beauty. I think your basket is such a good idea. :clap:

Hey has anyone seen Ann?

01-01-2005, 08:05 AM
Happy New Year everyone! :wave:

01-01-2005, 09:09 AM
Happy New Year Everyone !!!

I've read a few of the book reports and quickly looked at a few of the drawings. You all are moving right along and the reports are very informative. Great books and loved those drawings!

It has been a busy week preparing to celebrate our "family Christmas" this weekend, plus my web site is not opening for some reason so have worked on it. My ISP is closed until tomorrow so hopefully by then we will know what is going on.

I'll try to work on the book report and drawing after the weekend. Now I'm off to start preparing the stuff for today's dinner :)

Wishing each of you the best of the best for the coming Year!

01-01-2005, 10:23 AM
Happy New Year, Everybody!!!!!

The reports are all great and these personal views that you have provided give great insight for the potential buyer. I was very surprised at how many of you do not accumulate resource material on a regular basis--you should strive to build personal libraries whenever possible. For those of you who arer avid pennysavers the first stop that you should ALWAYS make is


Do buy the first book you see--instead see if there areny bargain prices on the books that you can get from one of the Amazon affilliates. I once picked up a 35 dollar book at Amazon for around 10 bucks--quite a deal so be sure to keep you eyes peeled.

Remember that you all have one more week to go so if you want to do another book report or another drawing--again--any medium--go for it. Use this as a class member to show off your current skills! You are all doing a wonderful job!!!

Oh, Judi--just had my 19th wedding aniversary with my wife on the 30th--for an aniversary gift she go me the Deluxe Prismacolor set (120 pencils) that comes in that long wooden box! Yippeeee!!!!!

01-01-2005, 10:52 AM
Barbara, those Walter Foster books really are a bargain, and you can find one on any subject. I have a few of them, and really like the one on boats and ships, and one of the watercolor workshop ones. In fact, this year for Christmas I bought each of my 6 older grandchildren (skipped the two new babies) a Walter Foster book and some colored pencils. He has a series for ages 4+ that I got for 4 of them. I spent a pleasant few hours with one of the 5 year olds drawing dophins, crabs, lighthouses, etc. from the one about the Ocean.

Connie, I almost used Cathy Johnson's book for my book report. Only two things kept me from doing that - one was that she covered so much in the book that it was hard to condense it for a report. You did a great job on that. The other thing was that she emphasized drawing outdoors and it's too cold here to do a project outdoors. Your Christmas plant gift was a good idea for your project. I have a few of Cathy's books, and I really like them.

The other book that I considered, (and I may do a secnd report on it later if no one else does ) was "Sketching Outdoors in All Seasons"by Jim Arnosky. Same problem with cold weather here, although Mr. Arnosky has a whole chapter that he sketched in the snow. (Better him than me). :)

I too am enjoying this lesson, as I love to collect art books and I enjoy reading about them. I have many more watercolor books than drawing books, but I can remedy that with a trip to the bookstore.


Mary Woodul
01-01-2005, 01:30 PM
JayD congratulations!!! and please extend my thoughts to your wife also. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Sultry, your drawing so nice and a quiet New Years eve is always nice. We stayed home also because my foot still hurts, the instep is swollen and the bottom hurts quite a bit. My Dr. will finally be back on Monday,TG.

Happy New Year! Judi :D

Stacy, I can remember those years at home also, it is a lot safer.

Connie, that is a very nice basket.

Dave, Anne and Michelle I hope you all had a very nice new years eve. :D

01-01-2005, 02:26 PM
Happy New Year everyone!
Thanks everyone for the comments on my fruit - I will go finish the strawberries Judi! Sultry, thanks for looking at my bike thingy. I am feeling more confident now. Practicing drawing different things really helps.
Connie - that is like a breath of Spring - the basket you drew - very nice! You could do a series of drawings on the plants as they grow! The Sierra Club Guide sounds really interesting.
Congrats JayD - it was 19 years for us too, on Dec. 22nd. :)
Ann, Glad to hear from you and hope you are having nice holidays with your family.
Mary I hope your foot feels better soon.
The book reports are great and thanks Michelle for the info on the WF books for kids. My 4 yr old grandson should be ready pretty soon. He loves to watch me paint.
Have a great day everyone.

01-01-2005, 03:06 PM
I started working through the first few lessons but have played hooky for the last while... lurking but not participating. This lesson inspired me to look though my bookshelf and dig out little old book I bought back in 1987. I have done a number of the projects over the years and did another one now, specifically for this book report. It was fun and I think it might be just the thing to inspire me to get off my butt and get back into action.

Book Report for Lesson 9
by Foil

Title: Pencil Drawing, Volume 3
Author: Gene Franks
ISBN Number: N/A
Publisher: Walter Foster Art Books
Paperback, 64 pages
Copyright: 1984


Gene Franks shares his process of creating beautiful pencil drawings using a step by step approach. The book starts with the basics, then moves on to thirteen step by step projects. Each project is presented in five steps;

Step 1 – Feeling the Shape
Step 2 – Sketched Line Drawing
Step 3 – Precision Drawing and Preliminary Shading
Step 4 – Secondary Shading
Step 5 – Finished Drawing


The book starts out with the basics including Why Draw?, Materials, The Work Area, Basic Hand Positions, Choosing You Subject, Lighting Your Subject, Sample Textures and Strokes, Thumbnail Sketches, Measuring, Perspective – Cylinder Shape, Perspective – Square Shape, Handling the Pencil, The Value Scale, and Developing Projects.

The book then moves on to the projects.

Still Life

Project 1. Walnut – Textured Surface
Project 2. Brown Egg – Smooth Surface
Project 3. Strawberry Basket
Project 4. Old Wheel Hub
Project 5. Poohie


Project 6. Calico Kitten
Project 7. White-Throated Sparrow. See the attached drawing of the sparrow I did in 1987.
Project 8. Looking Back. See the attached drawing of the colt I did in 1998.

Landscape Elements

Project 9. Indian Country
Project 10. Little House. See the drawing I started in 1987 but never finished. It illustrates how the project looks after Step 2.
Project 11. The Wagon
Project 12. Forgotten Ford. See the attached drawing I completed today specifically for this book report. Note that I used the specific pencils recommended (2H, H, F, HB). Using these pencils I was not able to achieve the deep darks that I would have liked to see and that are apparent in the example in the book. Personally, I would have move on to a 2B or maybe 4B to deepen the dark areas had I not wanted to follow the directions for the sake of this book report.


Project 13. Mountain Man

I really like Gene Franks' style of drawing. It is realistic without being photo realistic, they still look very much like drawings. I have a tendency to stop drawing well before I reach the finished state and these projects really help me to see the potential possible if I have the patience to continue to build up the layers. All in all a very inspirational book. Highly recommended.

01-01-2005, 04:05 PM
Nice drawings, Foil. I really like the old car. This sounds like a really good book with some great projects in it.


01-01-2005, 04:45 PM
Happy New Year! I hpoe it everyone's best yet!

JayD, CONGRATS TO YOU AND JAN! :clap: :clap: Enjoy your prismas, in a wooden box no less (NICE!) A change from your plastic containers/organizers, huh?!! How about a Wedding portrait of you and Jan! We would love to see you two!

Barb, CONGRATS to you and DH also :clap: ! Pat and I celebrated our 6th Dec 23rd.

Sults, Did you find you evergreen pic? I will send you one if you haven't, just let me know. They are in the back yard. Sorry I didn't comment last post on your drawing... :clap: , my mind is frazzled with Luke leaving.

Stacey....here we are..2005! We don't go out either...too many drunken people on the road...so scary!
Connie, Love your basket :clap: , what is that plant you have there?

Mary!!!! Hi!!!!! :wave: :wave: Happy New Year to you too! You do know we are ALL coming to your hacienda, don't you?!!! :evil: I think it must be a lovely place to live, even though I love our mountains!

Gina (where are you?) Ann, glad you are back, Michelle and all :wave:
Won't get any drawing done tonite, Luke is going back to Great Lakes tonite :crying: :crying: and I cannot stand it :( ! It has been the most wonderful 2 weeks with him home! :D

Foils, I really like the car too :clap:

01-01-2005, 05:12 PM
I can draw many things but I cannot draw my wife's hair, Judi--ask Deepat! :D

Foil, Welcome back==Gene Franks's book was one of the first ones that I purchased for my library. I have a question==my copy has mention of the hand positions but the photos are missing. I kept it anyway and the lessons are great. Perfect choice!

01-01-2005, 08:05 PM
My copy has the photographs of the hand positions.

01-02-2005, 02:05 AM
A book report huh? Well I have decided to take this idea a little askew! I have done my book report on a fiction novel (actually a trilogy of 5 novels... yes I know) Titled "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, by Douglas Adams.

I know what some of you are thinking, the idea was to do this report on an instructional book. I wanted to open everyones eyes to the idea that inspiration manifests itself from many sources. I have been doing art related projects for the last 15 years (since I was 10) and have shelves full of books like Grey's anatomy, instructional books and videos on many different media and subjects. These books are great things to have, but true inspiration comes from things that you enjoy!

Book Report for Lesson 9
by bobrocks

Title: The Hitchkiner's Guide to the Galaxy
Author: Douglas Adams
ISBN Number: 1400052920
Publisher: Random House
Copyright: multiple


The hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy is a series of books that follow Arthur Dent's journey through space after the destruction of the Earth to make way for a hyperspace bypass. Moments before the Earth is destroyed, Arthur's house is destroyed to make way for a non-hyperspace bypass, he finds out that his best friend of 15 years is an alien and they hitch a ride on one of the construction ships. From this point on we find out that the Earth was not just a planet, but a living computer designed to find out the question to Life, the Universe and Everything (having already known that the answer is 42). It continues on in such manners until it stops just before that blank page they always put in at the end of every book.

Why I chose this book

As I already stated, I chose this book because I enjoy it and it has inspired me in many ways in my life. Most importantly (for this class anyway) it has inspired me artistically by allowing me to see the world in a more relaxed view. The style of comedy that the late Douglas Adams uses is an off the wall, abstract, british comedy that changes one's outlook.

What this book has taught me about art

Just like the comedic style in the book, I have learned that while art can be a beautiful thing, it can also be used in humor. Not just in the form of a comic strip, but also in capturing a memory. The memory can be realistic or the furthest thing from it, but either way it can draw the same emotion. As artists, we can do in one brush stroke what it takes writers hundreds of pages and it is a powerful thing.

The art

For the art aspect of the project, I have decided to draw Arthur Dent strictly based on the description in the book. There have been TV shows and a Movie (coming this year), but they actually portrait him a little differently than the book suggests. It shall be interesting to see if I can translate the words into a picture, I hope to have the drawing up early next week. It would be sooner, but I have to finish up this weeks installment of my website's comic strip! The holidays set me behind a little!

01-02-2005, 07:17 AM
Bobrocks, It warms an old lady's heart to hear that young people are still reading and enjoying this book! Glad you decided to participate.
Foil, Nice report - I love your drawings. Yesterday when I tried to view them, I kept getting kicked off here - it was saying server bropken or too busy. Must have been a very active day here at Wet Canvas.
Oh, Here are the strawberries from my book done yesterday while sipping Mimosas made from the leftover champagne :D . These were tedious and I did not enjoy them but it was certainly good practice. Animals are still my favorite subject.
Judi - Congrats to you and Pat. You must have had the same cpmments from friends when you got married - "Why so close to Christmas!!". LOL
Oh yeah - JayD I am pretty sure Amazon is where I got the De Rayna book for $5. (hardcover!) and yesterday I bought the Sam Savitt book Sultry recommended for 1/2 off the retail price$ :D
I am looking forward to our next lesson!

01-02-2005, 09:10 AM
OK BobRocks--I will accept this book into the class--let me tell you why--EVERY BOOK, at their very core is didactic--a teaching resource--we learn and gain and reshape ideas from the thoughts of others. This one of the things that make us all so blatantly human.

At first, I was going to to object but as I thought more and more about your posting this book (as I thought that it would create a major disruption).--but now that you have posted the book--I challenge you to take it further with the project that goes along with the book report.

I CANT WAIT TO SEE YOUR PROJECT. :clap: :clap: :clap:

That is because not only did you make a valid point which you will now back up with a project but because I happen to be a HUGE Douglas Adams fan--that being said:


01-02-2005, 10:25 AM
Bobrocks, I will be interested as well to see how you visualized Arthur Dent.

Barb, LOL, but when you are 'young'(lol), in love and selling 2 houses to merge families, that's the date we ended up with.

Cathie Jones
01-02-2005, 10:27 AM
Going home today!!! Didja miss me? I've been lurking, and have finished a couple of chapters on my book review, but haven't had much time, and haven't lifted a pencil all week.

Everyone's projects are looking so good! Congrats on the wedding anniversaries - ours is January 10, another one close to Christmas, but far enough away to get good presents. :D

See y'all later from sunny (?) Southern California. Okay, so it's supposed to rain again - at least the sun is up before 7:00 a.m. It's 7:15 now and still dark in the soggy north. Beautiful country up here, but I need more daylight. Once a southern girl, always a southern girl I guess.

Flying home soon . . .

01-02-2005, 05:52 PM
TITLE: A Guide to Drawing
AUTHOR: Daniel M. Mendelowitz / Duane A. Wakeham
ISBN: 0-03-055487-x
TYPE: Paperback
PAGES: 335


I bought a number of books when I started to draw; this one almost didn’t make it into my collection because it was a little costly, but I’m glad it did simply because of its diverse coverage. It is not a “how-to” book in the traditional sense of step-by-step demonstrations but it covers all the important topics as well as penetrating some of the more philosophical questions like “what is drawing?”
The contents are as follows:

… What is drawing?
… Types of drawing
… Expressive drawing
… The role of drawing today

… Making Drawings
… Looking at Drawings
… Presentation of Drawings

… charcoal
… pencil
… Ballpoint and Felt-Tip pens
… Brush and Ink

… Perspective, foreshortening
… Mechanical Aids to perception
… Defining forms with negative space
… Right brain, left brain

… The tradition of copying
… The tradition of sketching

… The contour line
… The contour of carried width
… Lost and found edges
… The searching line
… The modeled line
… Hatching, cross-hatching and scribbled tones
… The calligraphic line
… Experiencing different line qualities

… The value scale
… Form defined by light
… Chiaroscuro
… Qualities of light
… Form and space
… Pattern
… Texture
… Range of Values and Expressive use of value
… Value contrasts for emphasis
… Colour and value
… Drawing in colour

… Familiar surfaces
… Rendering textures
… Textures of the artist’s media
… Uniform texture
… Invented texture
… Expressive use of texture

… Compositional studies
… Selecting format
… Open and closed composition
… Balance
… Directional line
… Shape
… Repetition-Pattern
… Variation-contrast
… Dominance-subordination
… Movement
… Rhythm
… Depth
… Value
… Colour
… Point of view

… Why study perspective
… Fixed viewpoint of cone of vision
… Picture plane
… Horizon line, ground plane
… Line of vision, central vanishing point
… one, two and three point perspective
… Circles in perspective
… Shadows
… Reflections
… Drawing designs in perspective
… Seeing and using perspective

… Papers

… charcoal, chalk, pastels, conte, wax crayons, pencil, coloured pencils, stick and powdered graphite, silverpoint

… pen and ink, pen brush and ink, brush and ink, wash drawing, mixed media

… Advantages of still life
… Still life forms
… Composition and treatment
… Transparency and reflective surfaces
… Expanded subject matter

… Needs of the landscapist
… Landscape imagery
… Texture and pattern
… Spatial relationships in nature
… Cityscpae
… Abstraction

… Anatomical drawings
… Life drawing – the nude model
… Gesture drawing
… The figure in action
… Drawing the clothed figure
… Temperament and the human figure
… Imagination and the figure

… Form and proportion
… The features
… The self-portrait
… The objective approach
… The idealized portrait
… The psychological portrait
… Caricature

… Illustration vs. fine art
… Types of illustration
… Art Directors
… Research resources
… Preparing a portfolio

… Empathy
… Representation and Abstraction
… Artist of Dilettante?
… Responding subjectively
… Making Choices
… More than technique
… Imagination and expression
… Mastery of craft
… Expanding awareness

PHEW! Didn’t realise there was quite so much coverage, but I wanted to include it to show you the diverse range of topics this book explores, although be aware that some of the sections might only amount to a couple of paragraphs.

I found this book a little overwhelming when I first bought it, still trying to learn the fundamentals, but as I repeatedly came back to it I was able to process more and more. Step-by-step books will take you so far, this one takes you more into the emotional side of art with diverse examples of drawings from a vast range of styles – illustration to photorealism, line sketches, gestures to abstract. It’s a book to turn to for inspiration and that is why I recommend this to others.

01-02-2005, 06:20 PM
CJ, :wave: Glad you will be home soon. We did miss you! There's no place like home. :D

Zarathustra, :wave: Wow, sounds like a great book. :clap: :clap: I'm going to check out the pricetag. Thanks!

Mary Woodul
01-02-2005, 06:49 PM
Good evening! everyone, hope you had a nice weekend.
Foil, that sound like a great book to have and your drawings are very nice.

Judi, definitely I'd love to have you all and we have mountains too, (desert
mountains :( )

bobrocks, I'm sure we are all wainting and wanting to see your project.

Barbara, I love your strawberries so much. I don't know how you got all those little seeds in there.

Cathie, yes we have missed you. Oh, Cathie you are going to have an anniversary on Jan,10th. We will have ours on Jan 9th, (40th), Inspite of this, I refuse to feel old :eek:

Gavin what a thorough book report, and the book covers so many very needy aspects of drawing. In fact I don't think anything is left out.

JayD, here is my hubby done with hb pencil in interrupted line technique, with some erasing. I wasn't supposed to measure but I don't think he would have liked his face deformed by his wife. I'll do a self portrait without measuring. :confused:

01-02-2005, 07:59 PM
And Happy Anniversary to CJ and Mary!

Mary, :wave: Lovely portrait of DH. :clap: :clap: :clap: He looks like a very kind man. He must be smart too, to have chosen you! :D
I have a question. In your report I could not find reference to 'interrupted line technique'. Mentioned was 'blind contour drawing of a face and self portrait'. Can you tell class what each of these techniques are about. :confused:

Mary Woodul
01-02-2005, 08:17 PM
Thank You Judi, yes he is a kind man and thank you for the compliment. Sorry, I'm not good at my (splaining). Blind countour drawing is drawing a face looking at the face but not looking at your sheet. You draw the lines blindly just looking at your subject and tryong not to lift the pen off the sheet at all. The interrupted countour technique is by checking back at the sheet and lifting your pen. These drawing in the book were done in ink but I was not that brave, this is my first portrait and I think I cheated because I erased. I have to practice it again and it is supposed to be done very quickly with a good idea of the proportions of the image in your head. :cat:

01-02-2005, 08:28 PM
'Splained very well Mary :D :D
I'll bet the blind one would be hard to do. I think we all should try it!
Looking forward to your project...I would have made the same choice too!

01-02-2005, 08:50 PM
Judi, check out Bert Dodson's Keys to Drawing--blind contour and other techniques are explained with excercises that you can work through. This book is a must have.

Mary Woodul
01-02-2005, 09:09 PM
I just did this one looking at myself in a mirror but re-checking at the paper. I did it with ink so that I could not correct it. I guess this would be check-back contour drawing.

01-02-2005, 09:12 PM
JayD, :wave: That's the book Dave did his report on. I will get that one as you recommend it. Right now I am bidding on Zarathustra's book he reported on (A Guide to drawing) and I'm winning the bid on ebay for that (Should I mention I am the only bidder...LOL)
I was on Ann Kullberg's website today and submittted a question. She herself (signed as 'Ann') responded. Pretty exciting to me. Nice she takes care of her own business, even on a Sunday. :D

01-03-2005, 04:51 PM
Did you notice that one of the authors of Zarathustra's book is the same as the author of my second book report?

I've been trying to upload my project, but haven't been able to...not sure whether the problem is with me or WC. I've done some blind contour drawing too.

Barabara, those strawberries look good enough to eat! Don't worry, I won't give away your secret from Class 6!

Mary, I love both of your portraits.

01-03-2005, 06:25 PM
Dave, :wave: I did note that Mendelowitz was an author in both. I am not having any trouble uploading. Will you show us your blind contour work (if you can get it uploaded). Down to less than 3 hours and the book will be mine for $5.00 (plus $5 S & H) :D

Pretty quiet around here, everybody have the back to work blues?

Mary :wave: , sorry, missed the post, great portrait :clap: :clap: !

Mary Woodul
01-03-2005, 06:28 PM
Hi Judi, I was just thinking the same thing. I guess it is hard to back into the swing of things. :cool:

Dave hope you can upload soon, I'm dying to see it!

01-03-2005, 10:34 PM
Happy New Year to everyone!

For the book report, I chose a book that I've had for a long time.
Rendering In Pen and Ink
By Arthur l. Guptill (1891-1956), Edited by Susan Meyer
ISBN 0-8230-4530-7
Published @1976 Watson-Guptill
Hardcover, 255p.

Rendering In Pen and Ink was written for the archtectural illustrator, designer, or artist and is quite comprehensive - almost like a textbook. Originally printed in 1930, long before computers and AUTOCAD, architects and illustrators had to render buildings, furniture, interiors, illustrations, ads, etc. Everything that was to be pictured was drawn by hand.

It is a beautiful book with tons of examples and finished work. I hesitate to scan some in because mine will look so crude, but I must...

There are 20 Chapters in here, and I won't go thru all of them, but it covers materials and tools, tone building, light & shade, perspective, composition, drawing trees, buildings and architectural elements, and has a gallery of the most delicate and detailed drawings. It is hard to believe they are simply pen and inks.

I think Rendering in Pen and Ink is important because it is a dying art. With the advent of computers and all things digital, the hand drawn rendering is fading. There are even programs that make photos look hand drawn.

I bought this book over 20 years ago and still refer to it from time to time. I don't have a ton of how-to books (and it sounds like I'm in the minority here, but I do buy a lot of magazines!) but this one intrigued me long ago and still does. Like everthing else, the style of the book's illustrations of architecture and clothing has changed since it was first printed way-back-when, but for technique and variety, it's quite modern.

My example is a drawing of a Moravian Star Christmas ornament. It has a lot of angles and faces and was difficult to distinguish the star points...

01-03-2005, 11:01 PM
Foil - Your drawings are quite good. The bird looks so delicate. Looks like a good book!

Sultry - I like the horse drawing - it looks quite three dimensional.

Judi - The hair looks great. I've never used colored pencils. It makes me want to give it a go... but that's all I need, another medium to try!


01-03-2005, 11:02 PM
Dash, :wave: Happy new year to you too!
Your star is beautiful! :clap: :clap: :clap:
I love pen and ink, although mostly I have done lettering. What pens did you use, I have Rapidiograph, but I believe there are others out there. Good report. :clap: I do not have a lot of books yet either. 1930....yeh a bit before AUTOCAD! LOL
I do beg to differ with you. Digi art is very, very nice (and I will check it out 'someday') but there is NO replacement for what is done by hand!

JayD and Class :wave: :wave:

Fireman's kid
01-03-2005, 11:56 PM
Just getting caught up on the reading here before going to bed (shhhh...it is already way past my bedtime and I'll be sorry tomorrow that I stayed up so late :o ) But before I sneak upstairs, I had to comment on that Moravian Star!!

Honestly when the page was loading I saw the drawing flash by. Then I saw the book report above it and felt some relief as I thought it was an example page from the book. :evil: I know.

Dash, that is one fantastic drawing!! I am familiar with Moravian stars as they are popular where I live and let me tell you they look exactly like that! You may have had difficulty distinguishing the star points when drawing, but as a viewer they are spot on. Fantastic!!

Okay, I better stop gushing and go to bed before I either embarrass myself or fall asleep on the keyboard. Good night all! :)

01-04-2005, 06:59 AM
Good luck with the bidding Judi - watch out for those last second snipers!

01-04-2005, 08:04 AM
Zarathustra, Won the bid for the book for $4.99 (+S&H) :D

01-04-2005, 09:12 AM
Hey Good for you Judi!!! Way to shop, um.... bid. I am anxiously waiting for my horsey book!
Daniel, That is a beautiful drawing and a nice report! Very interesting book.
Mary, You are doing great with your self portrait using that method!
Dave, Thanks for the comment on my strawberries. I have California Poppies wating to be uploaded but I may have the Pansy and Rose from the flower lesson done by the weekend as well. I could never find that link you offered me on pencils again. Got lost looking for it yesterday.
I hope everyone here will consider participating in the WC Auction for the Tsunami victims relief. I have a painting I'm working on but I believe it is open to all mediums. The link is on the homepage.

01-04-2005, 09:16 AM
Jay & all my classmates...it feels really good to be back with you. I am sorry to have gone AWOL and caused all this anxiety.

It took me several sittings to go through the 130+ posts in this thread alone, but I have just done that. Parallely I have been working on my book report on Pen & Ink Sketching by Peter Caldwell which I will post soon.

Jay...my congratulations to you for cooking up this assignment. It has been a pleasure to read each of the book reports and I have found quite a few of them (I mean the books) fascinating and will definitely try to add them to my collection.

Since all the reports are of a pretty good standard in terms of information and clarity, the comments which follow only reflect my reaction to the contents of the books.

Deb - Drawing Trees - step by step. This definitely sounds like a must have book.

Dave - Keys to Drawing. I got the impression that the report is not yet complete. Have I misunderstood or missed a post?
- Drawing by Daniel M Mendelowitz sounds fascinating.

Judi - Coloured Pencil Portraits. I have always wanted to try colour, either water colour or coloured pencils and reading your report only makes me want to do that more than ever. And, your drawing of Luke's hair is wonderful. It is a pity you scrapped the drawing. By the way, congratulations on your bidding.

Metier - The New Drawing from the Right Side of the Brain. Your "after" sketches are recomendation enough for this book.

Sultry - Draw Horses with Sam Savitt. This seems to be one really comprehensive book. Your drawing has a sculptural look to it; the main subjects seem to stand out in relief.

Mary - Experiential Drawing. I am undecided about the book, but I think both your sketches (the blind contour drawing as well as the interrupted contour drawing) are very good. And, I think your explanation of the process is excellent.

Michelle - Drawing Landscapes in Pencil. Sounds very, very interesting.

Barbara - Pencil Drawing Project Book for Beginners. Your strawberries are good enough to eat (I think someone already said that). I have visited the earlier classes a few times (though not very often) and I have seen several of your posts which you did some time after the rest of us moved on. I think you are not giving yourself enough credit. So many of your drawings are very good. The bike thingy is a perfect example. I think you have done a marvellous job on it.

Connnie - the Sierra Club Guide to Sketching in Nature. This should make a good set with the books chosen by DEB & Michelle.

Foil - Pencil Drawing Vol. 3. If this book has helped you to draw the way you do, it must be pretty good. Your drawings are excellent. Only your drawing No. 4 supported your statement about not really finishing your drawings. The others looked complete in all respects.

Bobrocks - The Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Over the years I have heard so many references to this book but never got around to reading it. Thank you for choosing this for your book report. Also, I think that takes you to the top of the class for your creativity :D

Gavin - A Guide to Drawing. Sounds very comprehensive and interesting.

Daniel - Rendering in Pen and Ink. Sounds fascinating and the sample drawing that you had scanned is simply marvellous. Your own drawing is also very good.

Incidentally, what is it about this season - Late December to early January - that we have such a disproportionately high number of wedding anniversaries among our classmates? :D


01-04-2005, 10:24 AM
Dash, I love pen and ink also, although I've not done much of it myself and my efforts are quite crude. I've looked at pen and ink books recently, and purchased "The Technical Pen" by Gary Simmons a couple of months ago. You may find it too modern because the technical pen doesn't give you the line variety that the old fashioned pens do, but his drawings blow me away, and I would love to be able to do that. Now I need to find a book that's strictly for beginners. I think Claudia Nice has one in the First Step series, but haven't been able to find it.

Your Moravian star is excellent! You have given dimension and depth to each of those points. Nice job!


01-04-2005, 12:20 PM
Blah, :wave: Great to have you back in class!!! :clap: :clap: I ended up not scraping the drawing, it was just in the ugly stage and I was tired. :D

Hey Michelle! :wave:

01-04-2005, 12:37 PM
Jay & all my classmates...it feels really good to be back with you. I am sorry to have gone AWOL and caused all this anxiety.

Barbara - Pencil Drawing Project Book for Beginners. Your strawberries are good enough to eat (I think someone already said that). I have visited the earlier classes a few times (though not very often) and I have seen several of your posts which you did some time after the rest of us moved on. I think you are not giving yourself enough credit. So many of your drawings are very good. The bike thingy is a perfect example. I think you have done a marvellous job on it.

Incidentally, what is it about this season - Late December to early January - that we have such a disproportionately high number of wedding anniversaries among our classmates? :D


Blah, It is very good to have you back and I want to thank you for your very encouraging words. I wondered about the Winter anniversaries and also (in another thread) the high incidence of depression amongst artists. A strange profile indeed.

01-04-2005, 12:53 PM
Anybody seen JayD and the rest of the class????????

Cathie Jones
01-04-2005, 04:50 PM
:wave: Hi Judi! I'm here, but at work so can't play too much. Still trying to get through my book and the report and a demo . . . very slow going!

:clap: Blah -you scared us!!! So glad you're back and safe. How is your community faring in the aftermath? Is there anything we can do specifically for you or your town?

Fireman's kid
01-04-2005, 05:14 PM
Hey, add me to the list of classmates with an early winter anniversary. Hubby and I celebrated nine years on Dec. 9th. When we told my mother-in-law we wanted to get married in Dec. she said "Any time but then!" :eek: She took it back though. We normally celebrate with a "date weekend" (i.e. a weekend away from the kiddies) in Feb. or March since Dec. is such a busy time of year.

Barbara, when I was younger I thought there was no way I could ever be an artist because I was too happy. :D That whole dark, suffering artist stereotype, you know. Although I do get a winter funk most years. Most of the suffering is done by my husband and kids though because they have to deal with me being grumpy. lol!

01-04-2005, 06:31 PM
My book report will be slow coming...I have not finished reading it and school started back today and I am subbing through the end of the month.

Add my wife and I to the anniversary list ... December 3rd was our 38th.


Mary Woodul
01-04-2005, 07:55 PM
Hi! everyone :wave: .
Daniel, Welcome, what a good book, I love drawings in pen and ink and I would love to try it sometime. We would suffer a great loss without pen and ink drawings. Great work on your Marovian star.

Barbara, thank you for your comment and I am waiting to see your flowers. They will be beautiful. and thanks for the reminder of the auction.

Blah, how wonderful to have you here with us again. Thank you for your words and I am looking forward to your report.

Hi Judi and Michelle, :wave: Dave must have had trouble downloading his drawing, I haven't seen him around or JayD.

Hi Cathie :D , nice to see you around.

Stacey and Joe, as blah says, what is it with all of these anniversaries in these two months with almost all of us? Joe I'm glad to see someone else close to my age, judging from the years you have been married.

01-04-2005, 08:34 PM
Hey Mary and CJ:wave: Good to see you! :D

Happy Anniversary Stacey and Joe! :clap: :clap:

Well, this has been slo-o-o-o-w going as I took a couple of days off drawing but I worked on it some tonight.
I did learn something important w/ CP. I hadn't used enoungh pressure when I did Luke's hair with the brillo pad technique, and it just kept getting lighter over the past few days. I guess the CP was simply falling off! So I had to go over that some and will go over one more time as a final touch up when I get his shirt and birthday candles on. Here is my second post and I would guess I am a bit over half way done.

Mary Woodul
01-04-2005, 09:23 PM
Judi it is looking so nice, you are great with colored pencils. I love the little expression on the face. Is he your grandson? He so cute! :)

Cathie Jones
01-04-2005, 10:43 PM
Judi, he's looking great - can't wait to see the finish. He's a handsome boy!

Still working on the book report. Haven't decided on a demo yet, but I'm getting to the really good part of the book. Hillberry is very generous with his techniques and demos. I wish I could show you some of the things he's done - maybe he has a web site. I'll check.

Yep - here it is: J. D. Hillberry (http://www.jdhillberry.com/) Go now . . . you'll be amazed!

See y'all tomorrow!

01-05-2005, 07:14 AM
Hi, Everybody--I had to go away for a day to the Richmond area. It is good to be back! Just a heads up that next week we will be getting back to the actual class. Class 10 will be covering doing a still life.

Judi, when you finish, consider cross posting this over in the color pencil forum. It is very good. Are you using the vertical stroke technique on the skin?

marilyn h
01-05-2005, 08:22 AM

Just wanted to share my entry to the Tusanmi project. "Tusanmi Souls" Each bubble a represents a soul.

Cathie Jones
01-05-2005, 08:39 AM
It's beautiful, Marilyn. Thanks for sharing!

01-05-2005, 09:18 AM
I did learn something important w/ CP. I hadn't used enoungh pressure when I did Luke's hair with the brillo pad technique, and it just kept getting lighter over the past few days. I guess the CP was simply falling off! So I had to go over that some and will go over one more time as a final touch up when I get his shirt and birthday candles on. Here is my second post and I would guess I am a bit over half way done.

I am so impressed by this. I would love to be able to do a portrait of my 2 grandsons. You are doing great and I can't wait to see the final portrait. Take your time - I just love it!

Fireman's kid
01-05-2005, 09:31 AM
Judi, your portrait is amazing! Have you done colored pencil before? You must have because this is way too good to be a first try. Before starting to learn watercolors, I wanted to do colored pencils but decided to wait until I have a lot more time for my art. I am lucky to get in 2 hours of drawing or painting a week. If I did colored pencils I would only get one drawing done a year! :D

Cathie, I checked out the Hillberry website and you were right, I was amazed. Something to aspire to I guess. Can't wait to see your project.

Marilyn, I really like your "Tusanmi Souls". I checked out the project yesterday and was impressed with the number and quality of the contributions.

Cathie Jones
01-05-2005, 11:27 AM
Isn't he wonderful, Stacy? My demo won't come close to matching his stuff - I'll pick something easy that doesn't take too much time . . . I read on his web site that some of his drawings take up to three months.

01-05-2005, 12:47 PM
Judi, I love the portrait of the little boy so far. I agree that you should x-post it in colored pencil.

Marilyn, your tsunami project drawing is terrific! I love the design. How did you come up with it?


01-05-2005, 01:37 PM
I wondered about the Winter anniversaries and also (in another thread) the high incidence of depression amongst artists. A strange profile indeed.

Barbara, If there is a high incidence of depression amongst artists, I hadn't noticed it. In fact I would have expected just the opposite, since I am very happy when I get to draw. Perhaps it has something to do with expectations and the standards one sets for oneself.

Judi...Luke's cp portrait is coming along beautifully, and you have done a terrific job of drawing his hair. By the way, Luke looks very nice.

Cathie...I am eagerly waiting for your report on JD Hillberry's book & even more eagerly for the demo. I have heard so many references to his books but unfortunately they are not stocked in the Chennai bookshops. Nor have I found them in the libraries here.

Marilyn...Your Tsunami souls is beautiful & very elegant.


01-05-2005, 01:45 PM
[QUOTE=Cathie Jones
Blah - How is your community faring in the aftermath? Is there anything we can do specifically for you or your town?[/QUOTE]

Cathie...thank you. My community, meaning the people living within a few miles up or down the coast from where I live, got off very lightly. By that I mean no lives were lost.

Several houses belonging to fishermen were washed away, and more importantly most of the fishing community lost their boats and nets since these were kept on the beaches. But the general infrastructure is absolutely unaffected in Chennai....the story is different as you go down south along the Tamilnadu coast (i.e. the eastern coast of South India), closer and closer to Sri Lanka which has really been devastated.

The government, the unaffected members of the immediate community, and people in general - the people of Chennai, the people of Tamilnadu, the rest of India and the international community - have all come forward to help, very much more so than during past calamities. Sometimes even all this goodwill does not produce immediate results and there is frustration and hardship that has to be borne for a while. But I do believe that this time, except for the lost lives which cannot be brought back, the effort to reduce the economic hardship, and long-term psychological impact will be successful.

Thank you again for asking if there is anything that can be done for them? I think that is best answered by people on the ground at the disaster sites. There are a lot of competent people making these damage assessments and though it might take some time, their reports would probably help to ensure that the available money is put to the most effective use.

WC's Tsunami Project is a very good way for an artist community to raise and make such funds available and I think the committee that came up with this idea deserve a very big hand.


01-05-2005, 02:01 PM
Hiyas everyone :wave:

Blah it is so good to see your posts again :)

Sorry have not commented for a while but I did read all the new book reports, great job everyone. :clap:

Gavin, I checked out that book once at the library it is valuable.

Foil I love that book and you did a wonderful job on the car.

Dash I like the star

Judi wow girl you sure know how to work magic with the CP ~KAV~ :clap: He looks 3d to me. :)

CJ I have always daydreamed on JDH site lol

Marilyn, your "Tusanmi Souls" is so creative and is such a memorable statement of love in the bubbles. ~KAV~ :clap:

Happy Happy Anniversary to all who are celebrating ...
btw, I was married to my ex on Dec 11th and my mom & dad were married Dec 10th.

Hiyas Mary, Barbara, Michelle & Stacy

01-05-2005, 02:24 PM
CJ--I am rubbing my hands together with glee in anticipation of your report and Demo!!!

01-05-2005, 04:12 PM
Hello Everyone, Happy New Year, :wave:
Posting my book report, then I can take some time to catch up on..a weeks worth of posts :(
Painting Beautiful Skin Tones with Colour and Light, in Oil, Pastel and Watercolour
by Chris Saper
ISBN 1-58180-163-7
Saper does an excellent job in explaining painting portraits as a matter of making decision in a systematic, straightforward way,organizing your approach , to give you more consistent results so that if something does goes wrong , you will know why and how to fix it.

The author begins with short but sweet, overviews of the 5 essential elements for every painting ; drawing, value, colour, compositon and edges, reminding the artist to be always conscious of each element and make purposeful decison about them. Each of these topics could be studied further from other sources.
There are also brief explanations about various challenges in working from photographs and with four types fo artificial lighting, incandescent household, fluorescent, halogen and tungsten photo light.
Once Saper arrives at the topic of colour and temperature of lights and shadow , things gets interesting!
some tidbits;
the Kelvin scale, - the rules governing temperature or colour of light
explains that light can be cool or warm depending on the source
sunlight is red/orange at sunrise/sunset and bluest at noon.
skintones on the beach, dealing with the many reflections of sky,sea,sand and sun.
subjects lit by cool, indirect sunlight have warm shadows...huh?
analyzing the colour of shadow,(lots of info on this)
the colour of skin in shadow is made by comparing it to the colour of skin in light)
3 principles of shadow - avoid strong colour, (greyed-down) avoid hard edges, avoid strong contrast.
light carries the colour in a painting, but shadows carry the painting
light lends its colour temperature to everyhting it touches, everythi left in the shadow, takes on the opposite temperature.
a helpful tip in remembering to keep the lightest value in the darks must be darker than the darkest area of the lights is to think of your painting as consisiting of two paintings

all this and so much more,

The second half of the book has numerous examples of detailed step-by-step demos, applying all of the previous information. Each demo deals with a specific challenge and solution, with samples done for caucasian, african, asian and hispanic skin tones , in oil, pastel and watercolour. In addition, the end of the book has colour recipes,a Kelvin temperature chart and some recommend reading for aspects mentioned but not covered in detail .
All in all , I found the book systematic, concise, lots of beautiful pictures, (as a newbie slightly overwhelming at first ,I've had to read it three times to get my head around some of it... I owe the library some money) but a definite read for both a beginner or a more experienced artist interested in painting skin. (now for the application yikes!)

God bless,
...Hi Blah :wave: - glad to "see" you are safe and well!

01-05-2005, 07:12 PM
Mary and CJ :wave: Thank-you. Actually it is my son Luke on his third birthday (he's a 22 yr old man in the Navy now).

CJ, looking forward to your Book Report and post!

JayD :wave: . Thank-you. I had continued with the brillo pad technique on his face. I though maybe it would be a softer look for some reason. I may be wrong about that, but that was my thought. Still have some face work to do. I did order AK's portrait kit and should have it soon. :) Paid a royal penny for it, but it will be worth it.

Marilyn, :wave: saw your tsunami project in the thread, and I love it! :clap: :clap: :clap: I want to do one, I just am not positive I can get it done by the 15th, so I am not on the list yet. I also thought if I do not have the time to do a complete new drawing I could finish a CP parrot I had done, even though it's not tsunami related, it would be something.
Do you think that would be alright?

Barbara, Michelle and Stacy, :wave: Thank-you.
Stacy, CP does take a lot of time, The Madonna of the Roses I posted as my Christmas card took 50-60 hours.
I really love CP, but have taken a break for the 101 class as I thought it was important for future work and improvement.

Blah and Sultry, :wave: Thank-you. His face needs a bit more work. It does not look exactly like him yet. Hopefully it will.

Sultry, How are your evergreens coming?

Gina!!!! :wave: Great report!! :clap: :clap: I think the lighting and shadow issues he discusses are so important. I want that book as those issues are pertinant to any medium. Just added it to my list.

01-05-2005, 09:03 PM
Hi! Here are some flowers from lesson 2 in my book. Floribunda rose is next then DOGS! :evil: : ) Can't wait! I think that rose is going to take some time though and I wanted to do the drawing thread this week. I had also signed up for the Tsunami project but after seeing Marilyn's (and others) beautiful work I called my daughter tonite and asked if I could donate one of her paintings as it would get so much more than mine. She graciously agreed and I will put mine in with hers as well. :)

01-05-2005, 09:40 PM
Attached is another try on a tree (Lesson 8). What is the next step for making the bark more realistic?

01-05-2005, 10:52 PM
Evening All! :wave:

Barbara, I haven't seen your work for the tsunami project but shame on you! Your work is lovely!!!!! Please thank you daughter, I'm quite sure from ALL of us at WC (is she a WC member?), for her contribution. So, Art runs in your family! :D

Metier, Here is a bark detail sample I had sent CJ and maybe it will help you some.....PS: JayD wants us to post in the class which the assignment came from. PSS: Looking wonderful! :clap:

01-05-2005, 11:25 PM
Metier--regarding bark--first you have to know the make and model of your tree--for example is it dogwood, fir, redwood etc... What I suggest that you do and I have done this before is to photograph you tree in question and then take the photo and put it on a photo editor like photoshop--now select a piece of the tree that interests you (remember that this is a study) and crop the image to that section.

Next--ENLARGE the image--now study the image and see many shapes and MICRO shapes you can spot--then draw those shapes--and the whole cropped picture.

The key to the tree is to be aware of TEXTURE--because that is what ANY tree is all about. IF you can master the texture of a tree, your work will be amazing.

Lastly, VARY your values--when working with texture there is nothing more important then being aware of the the various lights and darks that encompass a textured object. :)

OH, Meteir--make sure you cross post your tree in Lesson 8--there are a new group of students behind us as you are all probably aware and I want them to see your tree in the context of that particular lesson. :)

01-05-2005, 11:31 PM
Judi, when you get a chance check out Maggie Toole and her circulisme technique in colored pencil...Also give Acrylic paint and colored pencil a whack--you might find it interesting. I found a book that you should check out--I would love to do a report on it myself but I am buried under and avalanche of paperwork since we moved the lab--but check this out--I thought it was just a book on pen and in and suddenly there was this whole section with colored pencil demos the like of which I had never seen--the book is called PEN AND PENCIL DRAWING TECHNIQUES by Harry Borgman

You are right about Ann's site--the magazine is pretty sparse but it has an incredible following and people contribute so it is very interesting. I reviewed Gavin's CD for her magazine a few months back--let me know when you get the portrait kit what you think of the skin tone bar. I find myself referring to it constantly.

Fireman's kid
01-06-2005, 09:19 AM
Judi - Thanks for posting the bark detail sample. I am currently working on Lesson 7 with Lesson 8 waiting in the wings. I was wondering how everyone got such beautiful bark. This will definitely help me. Thanks!

01-06-2005, 09:53 AM
Evening All! :wave:

Barbara, I haven't seen your work for the tsunami project but shame on you! Your work is lovely!!!!! Please thank you daughter, I'm quite sure from ALL of us at WC (is she a WC member?), for her contribution. So, Art runs in your family! :D

Metier, Here is a bark detail sample I had sent CJ and maybe it will help you some.....PS: JayD wants us to post in the class which the assignment came from. PSS: Looking wonderful! :clap:

Thanks Judi. Oh my mom and daughter have always painted and are very good. I never picked up a brush until I quit smoking a few years ago. My hands always shook before that and I was a high strung nervous type person. The hypnosis brought me a wonderful calmness. :angel: I am so grateful.
Wow - I sure could have used this info when I was working on my tree - hard to read but does it even tell you which pencil to use? I am still so confused on that stuff. Does anyone know what an F pencil is for? No wonder my tree looked so bad. :crying:
Gina, Good report - I am really looking forward to seeing some portraits!
I am getting curious about our next lesson. :cat:

01-06-2005, 11:09 AM
Hope this helps...
F (Fine) are for lighter values - use for lighter strokes (gives good light value tones).
H (Hard) are lightest values - great for very fine detail
B (Bold) are softer and darkest - use for thicker strokes (gives good dimension in shading).
Your #2 HB is a middle value (usually the common pencil is this value).

I think maybe that is why it was so hard for me to understand values, till I started to use other pencils. :)

edited to add...
Gina I just read your report and now I want that book too :) ...patiently waiting for your report now. :)

Judi I cut down the ever greens only one is left and a stump. I have been working on tsunami painting but have not submitted yet because I am not sure about it or if I can be done in time (Jan 15th).

01-06-2005, 12:21 PM
Hope this helps...
F (Fine) are for lighter values - use for lighter strokes (gives good light value tones).
H (Hard) are lightest values - great for very fine detail
B (Bold) are softer and darkest - use for thicker strokes (gives good dimension in shading).
Your #2 HB is a middle value (usually the common pencil is this value).

Sultry, THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

People must think I'm stupid that I did not know this stuff, but I never drew to speak of before this class and never had anything more than a school pencil as a kid. The charcoal pencils I bought by accident for this class and I had one graphite (very heavy) pencil that I acquired from my daughter's supplies left behind. Mr. DeReyna's book speaks of a draughting pencil he uses but I assume we are past that with what is available today.
Thanks again,

Mary Woodul
01-06-2005, 12:22 PM
Hi! everyone, just wanted to say Hi. I'm working on three paintings for the tsunami project and like you say Sultry, I'm not to sure about them so i will have to do a lot of work on them. BTW, thanks for the expanation on the pencils, I didn't know that either.

Marilyn, your drawing is beautiful and very unique.

Gina, I loved your report and now I want that book also.

Barbara, you are so good with flowers. They look like drawings from a botonical book.

Metier, your coming along with your tree. It is different but I like it.

See you all later, there is very little time left so I'll get back to work. :D

01-06-2005, 02:46 PM
Gina...thanks :wave:

The book you have covered seems to cover the subject very thoroughly. At this rate my shopping bag is going to burst at the seams.

I have finally finished my book report. That leaves me only the tree to do to catch up with the rest of you. With Jay's permission I propose to stay with Class 10 and go back later to Class 8 to complete that assignment.

My report:

Title: Pen & Ink Sketching
Author: Peter Caldwell
ISBN : 0-7134-7909-4

About the author:
Peter Caldwell does art and illustration work, and also works as an art director and production designer in the film and television industry. Prior to this book he has written three other books on illustration.

This is a profusely illustrated book on outdoor pen and ink sketching, giving good advice on equipment & materials, composition, layout and perspective, and working in line and mixed media.

The introduction is a sales pitch for pen and ink drawing which I, being predisposed heavily in favour of it, found very readable.

The instructions are covered in 12 chapters.

Chapters 1, 2 & 3 cover equipment, what to draw on and what to draw with. There is a considerable amount of information here, but descriptions are slightly general in nature. I get a feeling that only a small part of the wide range of materials and equipment available has been touched upon.

Chapter 4 is about getting started. The author recommends getting very familiar with the equipment so that using it becomes second nature, and putting in lots and lots of practice. He strongly recommends that one should always carry a sketchbook and use it regularly.

Chapter 5 is about using the imagination. This is definitely not a "how to" chapter. In this chapter the author articulates his preference for drawings that leave something to the viewers' imagination and thereby kindling their interest.

Chapter 6 is titled "suggestion" and refers to the art or skill of knowing how much to safely leave out. There are several hints in this chapter to help us achieve just this. This chapter also has a chart of the author's favourite texturing techniques.

Chapter 7 is on sunlight and shadow and has been very well dealt with. The author impresses on us the importance and beauty of shadowing and cast shadows, and takes us through the different techniques used to bring out this aspect in a drawing.

Chapter 8 is on composition and layout. The author gives several examples of good composition and provides a composition chart. He also suggests using a viewfinder to isolate a suitable composition.

Chapter 9 is about the dreaded "P" word...perspective. The author explains the principles involved, how to locate the horizon line or eye line, and the vanishing point, and gives several helpful hints on how to use these in outdoor work.

Chapter 10 tells us how to get life and character into a drawing. In this chapter the author advises us to leave the job of producing an exact photographic record of the subject to a camera and concentrate on conveying our impressions and feelings. This chapter also contains tips on the techniques used to show weathering and ageing, reflections in windows, and water & sky.

Chapter 11 touches on the use of line and mixed media.

Chapter 12 is a collection of sketches, the majority of them having some degree of tonal washes.

The author concludes with some helpful advice on vignetting, leaving something to the viewers' eyes, keeping lines and paper clean, ensuring a strong focal point in the drawing, using lines and textures sympathetic to the object that is being portrayed, and starting small before venturing on to larger projects.

I bought this book several years ago because I was fascinated by the drawings in it. I have a fondness for pencil drawing and ink drawing because they involve the minimum of equipment and can be done almost anywhere and anytime. But, having bought this book and taken a look at the pictures I just put it away for several years.

About a year and a half ago my interest in drawing was suddenly revived. I then recalled having this book and fished it out. I still find the drawings fascinating and I have now read through the book sevearal times. It is very readable and the author gets his ideas across with a minimum of words and fuss. The instructions, if one is to call them that, are not detailed, but through a combination of words and inspiring drawings the message does come across clearly.

I am certainly glad I had the good sense to pick up this book even before I was really into drawing.

For my project I am posting two drawings. the first is a study copy of a drawing found in Peter Caldwell's book. The second is a loose drawing of a singer based on a picture in some magazine. Both drawings were done after I had read Caldwell's book.


01-06-2005, 03:02 PM
Hi GAng, :wave:
I finally had some time to review all of your reports
Judy... your book sounds thorough, I didn't realize such amazing things could be done with coloured pencil! Your portrait is beautiful, awesome job on the hair. Is the brillo pad thingey anything like burnishing? looking forward to the finale!

Dave...interesting report, i have only heard negative things about that book, so now I am intriqued, may check the library for that and try it out.

Sultry...Drawing horses, great report, you've given me the bug to want to try to draw the majestic animals.

Connie... sketching in nature, sounds great also, if i'm understanding correctly ,sketching would be akin to doing scales in music, kind of like excercising...? as apposed to drawing... (dumb question???.... no....si...)

Deb.. drawing trees, sounds excellent, that's one's on my list.
Mary... sounds interesting as well, don't know if ever used that side of my brain...maybe it's time to wake it up.

Barbara... sounds great, and the price is right. can't say no to that. your strawberries are luscious
(please don't be so hard on yourself, YOu are the one and only BArbara, no one can be as great a Barbara as you ARE!!! :clap: :clap:, I dont' know the pencil thing either.) or the sketching thing. I probably sound like a hoodie? boobie? I can't remember your great word. what's that word...

Zarathrusta - sounds majorly thorough, I want that one too, have them used for $30 on amazon, (them ah U-S dallahs)

Dash - great book! I have that one, luv it too, time to dig it out. -perfect star :clap:

Marilyn, simply beautiful :clap: :clap: Tsunami Souls, brings tears to my eyes. You do such lovely work. I love all your fish, seems like it would make great material for licensing... You do great work with colour. Was there a reason why you did not colour Tsunami souls?

so I guess they're all on my list. cha-ching, cha- ching (don't tell hubby)

off to try attempt 2 on the skin (,doubleyikes)
blah, just posted and noticed your report, i'm checking it out now...
Wow, incredible drawings!!! sounds like a great book, I have not read much about some of the topics covered, specifically, what to leave out and how to capture life and character instead of just copying. would like to learn more about that... another one for thelist. :)

01-06-2005, 03:56 PM
Hi GAng, :wave:
Barbara... sounds great, and the price is right. can't say no to that. your strawberries are luscious
(please don't be so hard on yourself, YOu are the one and only BArbara, no one can be as great a Barbara as you ARE!!! :clap: :clap:, I dont' know the pencil thing either.) or the sketching thing. I probably sound like a hoodie? boobie? I can't remember your great word. what's that word...

blah, just posted and noticed your report, i'm checking it out now...
Wow, incredible drawings!!! sounds like a great book, I have not read much about some of the topics covered, specifically, what to leave out and how to capture life and character instead of just copying. would like to learn more about that... another one for thelist. :)

Gina - You got me laughing so hard my co-workers are suspicious. Shhhh.
The word is "doodah" as in the "Doodah" man - old Grateful Dead Song - "Trucking " OR as in "all the doodah day" in the extremely old song Camptown Races.
Blah, I agree with Gina - very interesting book you chose. I love the drawings - is that Bob or Ziggy (Marley)? Nice work.

Mary Woodul
01-06-2005, 05:16 PM
Blah, your work is outstanding and the book report excellent. I believe the chapter on what to leave out is very important and is always a question in any art work.

Hi all, :wave:

01-06-2005, 06:34 PM
The word is "doodah" as in the "Doodah" man - old Grateful Dead Song - "Trucking " OR as in "all the doodah day" in the extremely old song Camptown Races.
Blah, I agree with Gina - very interesting book you chose. I love the drawings - is that Bob or Ziggy (Marley)? Nice work.

And of course the immortal Bonzo Dog Doodah Band! :D

Judy, lovely portrait. Did I say that already? If so, well worth saying again! :)

Dash, that star looks perfect! :clap:

Barbara, those flowers are really wonderful. The petals look just as think and delicate as they should!

Marilyn, that is a lovely picture and so emotional. I hope it raises as much money as it deserves!

Blah, those drawings are awesome! I'm speechless! :clap: :clap: :clap:

marilyn h
01-06-2005, 06:55 PM
Sorry to tell you that I have pulled my entry for the project. Too much uncertainty.

Why for not coloring it. I wanted to do it in graphite. Not color. More for uniform equaility to all persons.

I am doing another wave in color, not for putting into the project. Just for doing it. I will post when I finish it.

I appreciate all of your comments. I do feel bad for not being able to keep it in the project. I would have loved to see how it would have auctioned. Since there is no auction, but just sale, it will not ever be known.

Marilyn h

01-06-2005, 08:52 PM
Hi everyone,

Barbara sorry I did not comment earlier but wow your flowers are so pretty and no hard edge lines I am so proud of you. :) Did you use the slinky technique or one of your own? Your welcome about the pencil explanation ( I wish I would of known that along time ago. Most of my work was done always in middle value and it was so hard for me to change it.

Blah your book report was excellent in detail for me to understand. It sounds like a great book for pen & ink dummies like me :) I need the beginners version. One that will teach me from A to Z. I think your projects show that you are a natural for pen & ink.

Mary I do not think I will submit my project it needs so much work and I am doing it all from my mind. I have the sea scape painted in but I cannot get my subject to look right. :( I hope you have better luck with yours.

Marilyn, I am sorry you do not want to submit it. It is really beautiful.

Oh, Gina I meant I am patiently awaiting your report project :)

Stacy the bark comes to you when you stop trying to get it. I am going to go back and work on the tree too. I love how my stumps turned out.

Heres my update I need to do something with the dog (still not happy with him). Jay do you have any C&C for that dang dog? Or anybody?

01-06-2005, 09:33 PM
JayD and All :wave:

I hate to ask, but has anyone seen Ann????

Blah, your sketches just blew me away! :clap: :clap: :clap: They are wonderful. I was talking with Luke when I got on line and he wants to see them too. I'll e-mail them to him. Your report is great as well, but we never get anything less than that from you. :D

Gina, The brillo pad technique is nothing like burnishing. It is teeny tiney circles,very light pressure and a VERY sharp point. It gives you great coverage, which is especially important to give yourself a good smooth/solid base to build your layers of color on. Did you get your Library late fee paid? :wink2:

Hey Mary!!! :wave:

Dave, Good to see you! Thank-you.

Marilyn, I am very sorry :( you will not be placing your picture in the sale. It is so fabulous! I am sure they would have put top dollar on that one!! :D Will look forward to seeing your color post. I was very interested in owning it.
How are they going to price the items?

I love the puddy-tat you put on the stump. The stumps are very well done. :clap:

Posting stage 3. I still have some work to do on his sweater and face, but it is looking much more like him. Candles need finished and flames need done. Not too sure of background color yet, certainly not putting in the ugly white paneling I looked at for years. :D

Cathie Jones
01-06-2005, 11:06 PM
Finally! I didn't think I'd ever get this book report done. It's a great book, though and I want to thank JayD for http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jan-2005/23460-smilie_whip.gif . . . ahem . . . requesting that I do this one. :D

So, here goes -

Title: Drawing Realistic Textures in Pencil
Author: J. D. Hillberry
ISBN Number: 0-89-134-868-9
Publisher: North Light Books
Paperback, 128 pages
Copyright: 1999


Hillberry notes that the line drawing is important, perspective and proportion critical, and if these are correct adding texture and shading will make your drawing look realistic.


Chapter 1 Materials
Reviews include best uses of each item.
Pencils: Graphite pencils, charcoal pencils, carbon pencils, graphite sticks and charcoal sticks. (Hillberry’s favorite is “Berol turquoise graphite pencil.”
Erasers reviewed: Eraser pen; typewriter eraser, kneaded eraser.
Blending Tools: Blending stumps; blending tor tillons; felt, paper, facial tissues and paper towels, chamois.
Paper: “Choose the Right Paper for the Subject,” “Don’t Let the Paper Be the Boss.” (Hillberry’s favorite papers: Arches 140# hot press watercolor paper; Strathmore 400 Series drawing paper; watercolor boards and illustration boards.
Flattening the tooth of the paper: Recommends using paper that will help with the drawing – smooth paper for smooth subjects, rough paper for rough textures. If the drawing contains both types of textures, either use smooth paper with drawing techniques for rough textures, or rough paper, flattening the tooth of the paper for the smooth surfaces by using the rounded endof a drawing pencil and small circular strokes to smooth the paper.
Miscellaneous Materials: Electric pencil sharpener; sandpaper block; tracing paper; compass; ruler; drafting tape; art knife; frisket film; liquid frisket; fixative; lightbox; drawing lamp.

Chapter 2 Tips and Techniques
Keeping Your Drawing Clean
Watch those hands: don’t get oil from hands and fingers on your paper
Upper Left to Lower Right: unless you’re left-handed, then reverse.
Cover Completed Areas: if you can’t avoid working near them
Ways to Hold the Pencil
Underhand, Overhand, Modified Writing
Seeing the Light
Highlight; Halftone; Reflected Light; Care of the Shadow; Cast Shadow
How Light Affects Texture
(This one has really awesome demos on light, texture and changing values, and The Lighter Side of a Depression)
Basic Strokes – Value
Follow the contours of the subject; circular shading method.
Gradually Changing the Values
Shadow Side First; Add Longer Strokes; Go Toward the Light (a very handy tip here is to put tape along a straight edge you’re shadowing so you can use the side of the pencil without ‘going outside the lines.’)
Basic Strokes – Textural
Texture with one value; Moving across the paper; Cross hatching; Patterned Texture with Sticks; Random texture with sticks; Stippling.
Blending Techniques
Felt pad; paper; facial tissue; chamois
Uses for Charcoal and for Graphite
Charcoal: wood, bark, fur, hair, eyelashes, pupil of the eye; dark line between the lips; coarse fabrics like denim; cast shadows.
Graphite: skin tones; shading in the white of the eye; glass; porcelain; light tones on shiny metal; smooth fabrics; light shading on paper objects.
Using Charcoal Adjacent to Graphite (discusses the amount each one reflects and how to use them together to obtain a texture or shine)
Blend Charcoal Into Graphite
Blend Charcoal into graphite; blend with felt; apply graphite
Layer Graphite Over Charcoal
Layering Graphite Over Charcoal (demos)
Using Charcoal and Graphite Powder
Collecting Charcoal and Graphite Powder
(Use of rubbing to ‘obtain an impression of a textured surface on paper)
Uses to obtain look of: stitches in fabric; splinters in wood; pits and scratches in metal; cracks in leather; sharp edges of broken glass; animal whiskers and white fur. (Good instructions and demos here)
Modifying Indentations
Masking With Frisket
Two ways to apply frisket film; hints for cutting frisket; when to use a fixative

This ends the tips and techniques portion of the book, and he now goes into detailed demos.

Chapter 3 Draw Realistic Objects
Drawing metal: a horseshoe demo
Reflective metal: three coins
The baby: a very detailed demo on eyes, skin and hair
Glass: demo of mason jar and brushes
Broken glass: demo from a drawing that includes a photo frame with broken glass
Weathered wood: demo includes nails, knots, wood grain, cracks and holes
Leather: demo of leather purse
Barbed wire: Fence demo
Clothing: Cowboy on a horse
Fur: cutest little dog you ever did see!

Chapter 4 Put It All Together In a Still Life
18-step demo of his drawing “Torn From the Sketchbook,” detailing every item in the drawing.
10-step demo of his drawing “Night Watch” – a cat

Index: Thorough, alphabetized index

I really enjoyed reviewing this book. Hillberry’s talent is phenomenal, and he claims to be self-taught. This book is worth the price whether you follow it from beginning to end, or use it as a reference to assist with a specific detail.

Now . . . to decide on a demo. I’m thinking that “blending charcoal into graphite” looks like fun (easy fun!!!).

01-07-2005, 06:46 AM
Sultry, I would be happy to comment on the dog. I apologize for not being around so much but the aquisition is really taking of a lot of my time. :(

Before I comment--what is your source for this dog? There is a source for the horse of course, of course but the dog, I don't recognize. It looks like a cross between a greyhound and a border collie. I can give you better comments if I know its breed. Remember that every living thing is effected by its genetics, its health, the envioment in which it exists, the way it has interested with others around it--these factors are what separate a believable animal or person from a simple representation.


The dog has this wonderful flow of line and shape--it has a stylized look about it so whatever the heck it is I would not change that aspect of the drawing for all the milk bones in Krogers (sub in your favorite grocery store here, guys). Your primary problem here is with value and the losing of definition into the background. Sultry, what are you going to do with the values to make to 1--make the foreground objects stand out away from the background and 2--make the whole piece pop?

01-07-2005, 07:03 AM
CJ-my personal opinion of JD Hilberry is that he is the Achilles of art--I think that , as a baby, he was taken down to the river ART Styx and was dipped thoroughly in its mystical waters. The only way to defeat him is to shoot him in the heel with a number 2 Ticonderoga pencil. :D The man is a brilliant lightbulb in a sometimes dark artistic closet.

As I sit here reading your report, I have his book on my desk. My daughter is being an art class and I went out and got her a bunch of art toys (cretacolor monoliths, electric eraser, sketchpads etc...) so that she would have decent tools to learn by and I picked up the Hilberry book for her.

I love your review--you covered all the areas very well and I hope others will pick up this book as a result of your report:

NOW, ME PRETTY (ARRRR! ARRRRR! ARRRRR!--hey this is print--pirates are hard to mimic with typing)


You guys have done a wonderful job.


marilyn h
01-07-2005, 08:25 AM
Call me fickle! I am going to re-enter my drawing. You have all made such nice comments, that I cannot be so selfish to keep it out of the project. It really has been a project that has made a lot of emotions brought to the surface. I do apologize. THank you for your support.

Cathie Jones
01-07-2005, 09:03 AM
Marilyn that is so excellent!! I was going to ask you if you took it back because of something that someone said. I love your drawing, and it belongs in the project!!! :clap:

Thank you, JayD. I suspected you'd 'grade' my review with an open copy of the book, so there was no cheating! But you may want to hold down your expectations of the demo . . . I have very little time left, and not many of the goodies he uses, so it will be simple . . . but beautiful, of course! :D

01-07-2005, 09:20 AM
Judi, Wow (inserts jaw drop smiley here) your Luke looks so phenominal :clap: :clap:

CJ, I love your book report it is a must have book for me now (lets see do I need to get a 2nd job for all these books I want)?

Jay first of all, Thank you so much on C & C and I do appreciate any time you can give, I do know your cup is full (in fact spillith over).

Before I comment--what is your source for this dog? There is a source for the horse of course, of course but the dog, I don't recognize. It looks like a cross between a greyhound and a border collie. ?
Ok, I will look for an old photo of Sassy or Pirate and decide which dog to put. Sassy was a tri-color collie and Pirate was a border collie. Doing it from memory has me mixing the two dogs I think you just pointed that out to me.

Your primary problem here is with value and the losing of definition into the background. Sultry, what are you going to do with the values to make to 1--make the foreground objects stand out away from the background and 2--make the whole piece pop?

Cry......... No, actually, I am suffering from an absessed tooth and on anti and meds so I am not thinking right. :( I do think I will go back and study my notes and take a look at one of my silent mentors (do you say that if he has no idea I picked him) site (Mike Sibley) and re-study his techniques. Again, thank you Jay, as I needed a fresh pair eyes to steer me out of my dead end. :)

edited to add ... I am so happy you are going to go ahead with it Marilyn. :)

01-07-2005, 09:55 AM
ANN! Where are you? We miss you!

Thanks again to those comments on my flowers. I did not do the rose yet. I just got 2 dog commissions as a result of a referral from the museum! I am on cloud 9!
Marilyn, I was not sure why you posted your Tsunami project here but I am sure glad that you are going through with it. Your work is incredibly beautiful.
Sultry, I did not want to say anythign about your dog , as it is YOUR dog; but I have owned 3 rough collies (Lassie style) and none of them had a tail that curled up as much as that. I guess thats your border collie creeping in?
I think highlights on the dog and cat would help them show up more too. Just my uneducated observation.
CJ - Great report! I want that book! Are we going to become pencil artists and completely forget our paints? It is with mixed emotions that I get so excited about drawing better. :confused:
Judi, You are coming down the homestretch now. Oh, I would love to be able to do a portrait like that!! BTW, :eek: I'm still looking at yucky paneling myself for at least 1 more year.
JayD- Glad you are still around - I am ready for lesson 10! :D I have been hearing about those electric erasers lately. Care to give me the stips - $, size, etc. Are they REALLY worth it?
Dave, I am either proud or embarassed to say I have never heard of the Bonzo Dog Doodah Band. Is it a kazoo band? :D

marilyn h
01-07-2005, 10:52 AM
JD I am sorry for posting in this thread. Please forgive me. You may remove them to another place if you wish. I apologize. Yes!!!!

I am finding these book reviews wonderful. Full of information and learning tools for all of us. You have made a lot of peoples dreams come true.

01-07-2005, 11:50 AM
Dave, I am either proud or embarassed to say I have never heard of the Bonzo Dog Doodah Band. Is it a kazoo band? :D

The Bonzo Dog Doodah Band was around in the late 60s in the UK. They featured a brand of comedy not unlike Monty Python, and indeed they collaborated with some Pythons-to-be. You can get information about them here (http://www.iankitching.me.uk/music/bonzos/Index.Html) and
hear some of their songs here (http://www.neilinnes.org/songs.htm).

CJ: you talked me into it. I've ordered the book! :)

01-07-2005, 12:24 PM
JayD and Class :wave:

CJ, Great report, :clap: :clap: :clap: need to open my copy :D . Glad i already own this one, with so many left to buy! Looking forward to your graphite/charcoal!

Marilyn, So glad you have kept your project in the sale! :D

Sultry, Thank-you. :)

Ann, Where are you?????? :(

Barb, :clap: :clap: :clap: Congrats on your commissions!!!!!

Dave, :wave:

01-07-2005, 12:31 PM
JayD, :wave: I am interested in moving on the the next lesson.

What does everyone else want to do?

01-07-2005, 01:35 PM
Hello everyone :wave:

Gina, Judi, Barbara, Mary, Dave and Sultry....thank you for your nice comments about my book report and the drawings.

Barbara, the singer is someone named Akil of Jurassic 5. I am not familiar with either the singer or the group, but this photograph that I saw of him in some magazine was really powerful and I felt like sketching it immediately.

Marilyn....I am glad you are sending in your entry to the Tsunami project since I think you draw extremely well.

I did not quite understand your earlier statement when you said that you were pulling your entry. Are graphite drawings not acceptable for the project?

Sultry....Barbara's suggestion is certainly one way to make the dog come to life. You could also try making its immediate background darker. I would first print out a copy of the drawing and try out these suggestions on it rather than on the original.

Judi....I too noticed that Ann has not posted for a while, but I thought she had said she would be away for a couple of weeks. Will check her last post and get back.

Luke (stage 3) is looking very good :clap:

Cathie...congrats, you just clinched a sale for Mr. Hillberry :D I cannot believe that so much can be crammed into a mere 128 pages.


Cathie Jones
01-07-2005, 01:50 PM
Think I'll take a walk over to Mr Hillberry's site and see if he'll give me a commission on all these orders!!!

Seriously, though, his demos and explanations are very good . . .

01-07-2005, 01:52 PM

Judi....I too noticed that Ann has not posted for a while, but I thought she had said she would be away for a couple of weeks.


I just checked & I was wrong, that wasn't Ann. But she has been active in Class 8, and in the watercolour forum...so maybe she is getting her book report done before heading for Class 9.


01-07-2005, 03:16 PM
CJ--you should pm him--he is a member and tell him about your report.

01-07-2005, 03:21 PM
Guys, I may not be posting but I am here a LOT--I am always checking in an --rest assured this is STILL my class--the subs are doing a good job so I do not want to jump in if the flow is going good--besides, in the next few weeks you will be sick of me. :evil:

Barb--Electric Erasers. I reccomend the Sakura over all of them but there are differnet ones that you can get--helix carries one but it is very studen grade and someone just came out with one that looks like a dremel.

you can use them to erase almost perfectly both pencil and ink(there are two types of erasers for each job).

You can also use them to texture and draw whiskers--all kinds of uses and textures.

If you can--GET ONE.

01-07-2005, 03:25 PM
Sultry--do Not Alter That Dog--the Shape Is Brilliant--it Has A Wonderful Illustrative Look--just Focus On Making It Pop Out--focus On The Values.

01-07-2005, 04:10 PM
Guys, I may not be posting but I am here a LOT--I am always checking in an --rest assured this is STILL my class--the subs are doing a good job so I do not want to jump in if the flow is going good--besides, in the next few weeks you will be sick of me. :evil:

Is that a promise or a threat? :evil: :D LOL
Thanks for the info on the eraser.
Blah, I have not heard of that singer either but your drawing is great.
Dave, Now that I see the playlist I do remember some of those songs from the 60s.
Marilyn, I sincerely hope I did not speak out of turn - it is hard with the written word to portray the correct meanings sometimes. I do think your work is gorgeous and the auction/sale or whatever we are calling it, will be very fortunate to have your participation. My best wishes to you and I hope you are feeling better about your generous contribution.
I am going to practice drawing and keeping my mouth shut. :)

01-07-2005, 05:01 PM

I realized Barbara was right about the tail and I did alter that (sorry). I also lightened the background and darkened values on the dog and cat it looks better to me. I picked out some highlights on them too with the kneaded eraser. So still working on it.

Blah, I thought about darkening the bg but it was so dark already (The sun shines on the grass and it should be lighter than the subjects because it is flat). I found by lightening all around them, I was able to see them 3d, because I kept the dark values on one side and the light values on the other. :)

Plus, I can see my grass now too. :)


I can go either way on this, since I am still working on values and layers, I may just start my still life and come back to my horse picture. So, whatever the class decided is fine with me.

01-07-2005, 05:21 PM
Bad, Sultry, Baaaaad Sultry :wink2:


01-07-2005, 06:32 PM
Blah- I liked your book report on pen and ink. I especially liked your drawings. The use of empty space in the Mont Saint Michel drawing is quite effective. The drawing of the singer is great - I think skin tones are particularly tricky, but yours look even and accurate. Good job.

Judi- Your portrait is coming along nicely. In your earlier sketch I thought the face was in an odd position, but blowing out birthday candles... it's really good!

Cathie- I was just reading an article by J D Hillberry. He does awesome work! It gave a referrence to his website and I was checking that out way too late last night. Flawless work! Thanks for the book report, I may have to buy that one - should we use your name as a referrence? Ha!

JayD- Go for it!


01-07-2005, 06:52 PM
JayD - I have no idea what the general mood of the class is, but for me, having just caught up to y'all, I could go with the extension so I don't fall behind right away. :D

Still reading Loomis...about 50 pages to read, then make a sensible report out of my notes, and of course the project.


Fireman's kid
01-07-2005, 07:08 PM
Well JayD, since you asked... :evil:
I'm in the same boat as Joe - don't want to fall behind again when I am so close to being caught up. I fell behind before Christmas and am working to make up ground now. Hoping to finish the apple/pot drawing from lesson 7 this weekend. If I had an extra week I could do the tree from lesson 8 and start lesson 10 with all of you. (I would do my book report at a later date in order to stay with the class. :angel: )

That being said, I in no way want to hold the rest of you back and even without the extra week would do my best to catch up quickly. :)

So that's my two cents - don't spend them all in one place. :D

Mary Woodul
01-07-2005, 07:12 PM
Hi! everyone :wave: , I'm in a rush right now and will come back to comment on the updates but I just wanted to answer your question, JayD. I will gladly go where the majority goes, I'm working on my tsunami project paintings so the time would help, but if you all want to continue with the next lesson that will be fine too. :D

01-07-2005, 07:17 PM
Ok, Everybody--we Are Going To Extend This Class For One More Week So That Some Can Catch Up And Others Can Finish Their Project.

I Would Like To Point Out That There Are No Inhibitions In The Report Class So You Can Use Any Media, Color Or Black And White, That You Want So Please Let Yourself Loose With The Projects--keep Of Course To The Confines Of How The Book Report Ties In But Otherwise Have Some Fun!!! :)

01-07-2005, 07:22 PM
Evening JayD and Everyone! :wave:

So-o-o-o-o glad the work week is done!

I don't think extending the class holds anyone back. It gives us more reports to read, explore others works, we could even do another drawing from what we learned, tsunami project and of course...expand our books to buy list and we just keep learning. There is always housework. Naw!!!

Dash, Thanks, lol, in fact I thought someone would mention his head position, and you did. :D

Hey Joe :music: :music:

Mary :wave:

01-07-2005, 10:10 PM
Snuck out of the house and JayD caught me in the portrait forum!! LOL :p

I will try to keep up with them JayD, but you guys here are No. 1. :angel: I am doing both, and I promise not to slack in assignments here, K Boss? :evil:

Cathie Jones
01-07-2005, 10:35 PM

Hmmmmmm . . . seems I'm getting a reputation here, but I'm not sure what kind! :eek:

I'll gladly take another week, JayD. I've been wanting to paint, but don't have time to do both, and extra days for the demo will let me put some color back in my life. But don't forget your promise that we'll get to sketching before April!!! We'll just have to do it out of order, I guess.


01-08-2005, 06:51 AM
Hi Everyone :wave: , I've read through the whole thread and looked at all the work and dedication all of you have produced the last couple of weeks. You all really doing so great!

No book report yet Jay or drawing! 2005 is off to a great start and hope that if the first week is any indication that it all happens this week and not the rest of the year lol. My web site has been down off and on for a week, and I am still working on it. It is up now but still lots of kinks to work out.

I have really missed being a part of the class but other things had to take priority and Jay, thanks for extending the class for another week.

I've chosen the book for my report which is "Perspective Without Pain" by Phil Metzger. It will refresh some of the things (which I need) that Jay shared with us.

I won't be on as much because I still have lots of work to do but I am around and do read and will post when I can.


01-08-2005, 10:51 AM
Hey ANN!!! :wave: You dropped out of site. Good to see you back! :clap: 'Perspective without Pain'...looking forward to this! :D

CJ, Your reputation is: Most improved, Class Clown and a Joy to have with us!!! :D

Class, I am coming down the home stretch and a foot went out and tripped me. :eek: I am a queen of indecision :( and I cannot bring myself to putting down a background, as in color that is. I do believe I want to fade from dark around the outer edge into light around Luke. Attached are some color samples, which may be all wrong, but if you think one may be a good choice, please cast a vote. Color 1 is the green at the top, Color 2 the next one and so on and so forth up to Color 8 (very light peach). Open to other suggestions as well. :)

01-08-2005, 11:26 AM
I'm behind again as usual, so I'm glad for the extra week. Now I don't have to use the "dog ate my homework" excuse. Besides, I don't have a dog.

Blah, great ink drawings. I love pen and ink, and keep meaning to try it sometime. Maybe somewhere during this class we could have a SIMPLE pen and ink project.

Marilyn, I love your tsunami drawing, and I'm glad you are putting it back in. It may not be a painting, but it's a wonderful piece of art and I'm sure it will sell.

Judi, your portrait is looking terrific! What a cute little boy your grandson is.

Ann, I have "Perspective without Pain", and did the first two or three lessons (the story of my life) before it got lost on my bookshelf. I really liked the book though, and I'm sure it will make a great report for our group. It may even encourage me to hunt it up again and practice (yikes) perspective some more.

Okay, now to sharpen some pencils and start working on my project. I'm glad I'm not doing a plein air sketch since it's raining and sleeting here.


01-08-2005, 11:46 AM
CJ--Glasshoppa--you are already sketching and are do a gosh darned good job at it. Finish up you project and then I want you to start your april project as an add along with the courses. We are going to use your project for a critiqueing session--start with your basic sketch and tell us where you want to go. We are going to need this excercise to progress and it will speed you along your merry way.

Michelle--draw a dog--post it here and then tell me a dog ate your homework. I will then come over and eat your dog. :D

Ann--welcome back. We all missed you. I respect the whole work is occupying your time thing--same here. Anyway, stay with us and we will look forward to anytime that you can spare with us. :)

Judi--your drawing reminds of the series "Fun With Dick and Jane"--I even have a Dick and Jane calendar on my wall. It is looking really good. If you cross post it to the CP forum you might get a suggestion like--it needs more layers--that is a subjective comment and the choice is purely yours--it is an outstanding painting. :clap: :clap: :clap:

01-08-2005, 11:50 AM
"Perspective without pain" will be a dream come true! Can't wait! Good to see you again, Ann.

CJ, you have a reputation as a fine artist. :cat: As well as a trouble-maker! :)

Michelle, I agree about pen and ink. I just went out and bought some nibs!

Judi, your portrait is coming along great! No point asking me about colour, though...you need help from someone that uses colour!

01-08-2005, 12:01 PM
Hey, Dave--did you did my secret santa--I am still trying to figure that one out. :D Also, what it is with the Ink craze lately--I have broken out a new Kohinoor set of Rapidographs and am tackling the tree in lesson 8. I am attempting Suellyn Ross' technique of combining ink, watercolor and colored pencil. Will post is I don't go nuts first.

Ann--ALL PERSPECTIVE IS PAINFUL--look forward to your report.




01-08-2005, 12:14 PM
Hey, Dave--did you did my secret santa--I am still trying to figure that one out. :D

It wasn't me! If you go and look at the list of guesses so far that Deb did a few days ago, you'll see it can only be one of four people. Then look at Dee's clue, and you should be able to figure it out! (If you really want to cheat, PM me and I'll tell you!)

I'm really glad you're going to be staying involved...this is really your baby!

Good to know also that we're going to be in such good hands as the new supreme subbie!! Don't let all that power go to your head now, Sults! :wink2:

01-08-2005, 12:29 PM
Jay, thank you for even considering me. I will do as best as I can but I do want everyone to know if I am not sure of something I will ask of Jay or any other sub that is around to help me out.

Saying this, Remember I am a student just like all of you and I am learning so much by subbing.

I hope you have all noticed we have a new crop of 101ers that have joined us. So, Judi, Deb, Anne & whoever else who would not mind helping out I would greatly appreciate your feed backs. If it would be at all possible ( I do know everyone has a full schedule and I respect that). I feel that to sub is to learn and if any of you (CJ, Gina, Barb, Marilyn, Michelle) want to say a thing or to please chime in. Hey I was too scared to say and C&C to anyone but now I have found it rewarding by not only helping people see but me too. Not to forget so many good freinds I am making now.
If I left anyone out sorry I meant you too.

Dave, Joe & of course Blah (by the way Blah I would love your help in the class 2 perspective and yours Ann since you are doing the report on that)your expertise is so needed also so the choice is up to you all.

Since I am the SS for the 101 course I will always be here for everyone.

I was thinking maybe we could do schedule subbing. In other words, say Judi since you have a job that lets you check in at lunch and you have a little time after work. You could take certain days with those hours ( I am not saying to take everyday).

Give a thought and let me know. My pms are always open to the class also.

Judi, your Luke was done by you and so well too. I agree with Jay, its your baby, any choice should be yours even to the bg. I am for whatever you choose. I do love your soft strokes in this and all I ask is to keep the bg so soft barely there. (but again its your baby (lol & grandbaby).

01-08-2005, 01:02 PM
Dave, you might want to send me in the right direction--I was so lost at christmas, I have no idea where the clues are but I would love to finish it out--the card I received was wonderful.

01-08-2005, 01:25 PM
Thanks for the welcome back everyone :) You all warm my heart, you know :D

I so enjoyed all of the book reports and thought what a great reference this class thread is for people wanting to know more about a book.

Blah, I was so thrilled to read you were okay and that in your area there was at least no loss of life.

Jay, perspective maybe painful but not knowing it is much more painful to me lol. I have an acrylic on my easel that has been there for months simply because I need to work on the perspective of the person and the tents. Nothing like procrastination!

Michelle, I had just gotten this book not too long before Jay started this class so it was timely. I only did a couple of drawings from it and will share those when I do the book report. I chuckled when you said, "before it got lost on my bookshelf." as that happens to me a lot too.

Sultry, congrats on "head sub". It is a time consuming job and you are to be applauded for being willing to take it on. I'll chime in when I can and help where I can.

Judi, I've been admiring your CP work. You are doing so great I think :)

Ha, Cathie, you saw me in the watercolor forum. Yep, took a break and had to see some watercolors, was having withdrawals.

Also, hi to all the new class members :wave: Glad to have you all with us!


01-08-2005, 01:54 PM
The whip has been passed. LOL :D

Congrats on your assignment! JayD made a great choice. :clap: :D :clap: :D

I would be happy to help you out in the evening Sults, just assign me a few nights and I'll be here. :)

BTW all, Luke is my son. My CP drawing reference is a pic from his 3rd b-day in 1985.

Again Ann, WELCOME BACK!!!! :clap:

01-08-2005, 02:04 PM
Daniel and Michelle, thank you.

Daniel, I agree with you, the use of empty space in the Mont St. Michel drawing is wonderful, as is the simple but very effective composition. In fact I find almost every drawing in Caldwell's book very interesting.

Hello Ann :wave: Its nice to have you back. We missed you.

Yes...we were very, very lucky in my immediate neighbourhood. In fact I was home when all this happened and I understood the magnitude of the disaster only a few hours later.

Jay, its really nice of you persevere and stay on in charge in spite of your work pressures. I agree with Dave, Basic 101 is your baby and it would not be the same if you were an infrequent visitor.....a visiting professor?

Sultry....congrats on your "promotion". So far I have rarely gone back to the earlier classes because I have a persistent problem with my internet connection. But I will make it a point to drop in on Class 2 (and any other that you may want me to) whenever I can.


01-08-2005, 02:09 PM
Dave, you might want to send me in the right direction--I was so lost at christmas, I have no idea where the clues are but I would love to finish it out--the card I received was wonderful.

Tried to PM you, but it seems you've exceeded your quota!

Anyway, my hint is that the person's name begins with Na, ends with ka,
and has kis in the middle!

Course, I could be wrong, but I think that's who Dee's clue was pointing to!

Sorry you're under such pressure at work, but hope that all the time you're putting in is paying off.

01-08-2005, 02:36 PM
Gee, Jay your so right about this class being such a great bunch of people. :)

Dave says...Good to know also that we're going to be in such good hands as the new supreme subbie!! Don't let all that power go to your head now, Sults!

Oh, do not worry I know my status is still at the learning stage and greatly appreciate all of your input.

Ann says...Sultry, congrats on "head sub". It is a time consuming job and you are to be applauded for being willing to take it on. I'll chime in when I can and help where I can.

Thank you Ann & I appreciate any help you can chime in, as it is, we all learn from each other.

Judi says...Congrats on your assignment! would be happy to help you out in the evening Sults, just assign me a few nights and I'll be here.

BTW all, Luke is my son. My CP drawing reference is a pic from his 3rd b-day in 1985.

Thank you Judi & just pm me the nights your willing to help out :)
Sooooo sorry for the misunderstanding ... Luke must love this pic, have you shown him yet?

Blah says...Sultry....congrats on your "promotion". So far I have rarely gone back to the earlier classes because I have a persistent problem with my internet connection. But I will make it a point to drop in on Class 2 (and any other that you may want me to) whenever I can.

Thank you Blah, I know you do have that connection problem but anytime you can I would love your expertise in any class you feel you may need to chip in.

You know sometimes I may not see what is at the tip of my nose so a fresh pair eyes is always handy.

Hey everyone, another thing that would be nice is to welcome all new comers when we can even if you do not feel like you could critique. I have noticed alot of you do that already.

01-08-2005, 03:03 PM
Judi, I went back and re-examined Luke and here is what I will say:

There are several arguments on background--one school (Kullberg for example) will tell you that you should always do your background first and then your foreground. There is a logical reason for this in that it keeps you from ruining a painting by finishing the foreground last--in other words, ok to blow and start over the background but it would be a catastrophe if you had the pencil wreck on the road of the foreground.

Others say it does not matter if you do the foreground first or last while others argue that you should work the picture as a whole. I tend to fall into that last category..


Again, that is a command decision on your part--I favor no background in this case--no background but more cake--the candles floating there disturb me somewhat--but the background gives it an illustrative look that I really love. Again, you will hear varying opinions but ultimately make sure you are listening to your heart and not succumbing to the pressures of your peers. Hope this helps. :)

Check out two books: The Encyclopedia of Colored Pencil Techniques and Sandra Angelo's Exploring Colored Pencils. It is suprising at what you are actually allow to do with colored pencils.

01-08-2005, 03:19 PM
OK, everybody--I'm takin' the portrait class so I will KNOW who will be there! :evil: and a hearty :D :D :D

Mary Woodul
01-08-2005, 04:20 PM
Good afternoon! everyone :wave: Just came back from having my foot put in a cast for three weeks but now I have a good excuse for not doing so much house work and instead painting, drawing and sitting at my computer..

Sultry, congarts, JayD made an excellent choice

Judy, your drawing of Luke is looking so good and I'm sure your choice for the back ground will be the right one.

Ann, nice to see you back.

Welcome to the newcomers and Hi :wave: to everyone else.

JayD, please don't disappear and again thank you for all you have put into this. :clap: :clap: :clap:

01-08-2005, 04:57 PM
Supreme Subbie Sults: I'd be happy to help out any way I can.

Cathie Jones
01-08-2005, 05:24 PM
Supreme Subbie Sults: I'd be happy to help out any way I can.

:music: Dave is Teacher's Pet :music: bwaaaaahahahahahahaha http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2005/23460-mowahaha_smilie.gif

Not me, boy. You won't find me trying to win favor here . . .
Hey Super Subbie Sults - - want an apple??? http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2005/23460-smiley_apple.gif

JayD, I did a quick prelim sketch today for a painting, is that what you want? Do you want it posted here? The kind of sketching I need is on-site, plein aire, probably ink, so I can put watercolor on it. Stuff like people and clothing, birds and animals - things I don't have a clue about.

Imagine that you're going to Jamaica (or Tahiti!) and you want a sketch record of your trip, complete with colorful people, buildings, vendors, etc. That's what I'm after.

01-08-2005, 05:43 PM
:music: Dave is Teacher's Pet :music: bwaaaaahahahahahahaha http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2005/23460-mowahaha_smilie.gif

Not me, boy. You won't find me trying to win favor here . . .
Hey Super Subbie Sults - - want an apple??? http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2005/23460-smiley_apple.gif

CJ: Remember that nice complement I paid you a few posts ago? I take it all back! :evil: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jan-2005/52179-blah.gif

Cathie Jones
01-08-2005, 05:50 PM
CJ, you have a reputation as a fine artist. :cat: As well as a trouble-maker! :)

Do you mean this one Dave??? I was just following through on the second part of your statement. :angel: :evil:

01-08-2005, 06:15 PM
Hey ty Mary & I am sorry to hear about the cast :( 2 years ago I had one on my left foot because I tripped over a step while moving into my apt. Mangaged to twist my foot all the way around ( what a horrible site). My tendons were in shreds not to mention my break in the bone. I still have the pins and they look like they might pop out. Anyways, I am now walking and dancing so it will not be long till you will be too. :)

Dave I will take you up on that, I notice you are on in my mornings and I do have to be away on Monday & Thurs mornings since holidays are over. So if you would not mind monitoring when you can on those mornings I know your C&C is very helpful and needed.

CJ, lol an apple? for the horse? ha ha Thank you & no apple just would like you to C&C when you notice something.

Ohhh I think I owe Blah an apple still. lol

Ok, here is the update of "Sweet Memories"

I am so happy with my dog. I looked up pictures and found that I was sketching Pirate who btw, is a cross btwn border collie and collie. He was such a wonderful dog. I still dream of him, yearsss later.

Thank you so much for the C&C Barbara I now see my dog had a different kind of tail then the collie's.

Jay, I realize what you were saying about my style and I hope it still shows with my changes.

Anyways, I have lightened the bg and my poor paper can not take anymore abuse. So I am going to chalk this one up as done.

Someday I may transfer this to another good paper but for now I have too many things on my palete.

01-08-2005, 07:29 PM
Sultry, take a piece of tracing paper and lay it over the top and mark your geometric shapes. There is something FLAT about it that is bother me--I am not sure the highlights helps--the girl, the horse of course and oh yes, Bailey's stunt double all look fabulous but there is a flatness about it that I can't place--any suggestions from the rest of the class?

01-08-2005, 07:42 PM
A Review of:-

Title: Fun with a Pencil

Author: Andrew Loomis’s

By Anne – Marie

ISBN Number: unavailable

Publisher: Macmillan Company of Canada ltd

no: of pages : 122 pages

Copy Right: 1939 by Andrew Loomis

Firstly before I go into the review I would like to thank our tutor Jay, for passing this e-book on to me, as I sadly do not possess an art book of any description, and therefore would not have been able to take part in this review of books. :D

As you read this Review, I have done a drawing in pencil for that part of the review, to basically show off and to have some extra practice at drawing. :D


On to the review, on first opening this e-book, I was faced with a wee cartoon type character, goes by the name of Professor Blook, who takes us through the e-book, as the mouth piece of the author Andrew Loomis.

Mr. Loomis takes a light hearted take, to the study and understanding of the drawing of humans, in three parts!!

First part, The Head,
Second part, The Body,
Third part, The Environment.

First part is the construction of the head using a ball shape, instead of the more commonly used circle or oval! Mr. Loomis gives clear and easy to follow drawings and explanations of which there are many through out the whole book through Wee Professor Blook :D .

Second part, details attaching the head to the body and the drawing of the body. Again Professor Blook, uses basic forms to build the body, such as a ball for the head and also for the chest the pelvis is a cube in the shape that sort of reminds me of a planter (for flowers) . Then there are several pages of people in various poses with the basic forms and then he goes on to fill them out so they look like humans. Also puts clothing on them too, from hats to shoes! All the time telling you to remember the form that is underneath the clothing :D

Third part, The environment that dreaded word Perspective is covered here in easy to follow drawings, even a dumb dumb like myself could follow. There is even a good section on light and shade in this third part of the book. :D


The déjà vu feeling followed me throughout the book because:-
Basically the wee cartoon character, and our tutor, Jay, are teaching the same thing, basic forms/shapes etc, to give solidity and depth to our drawings and all in the name of having “Fun with a Pencil” :evil:

I will be printing this one out (When I have enough ink and paper!!) it is a keeper in my opinion!!

C&C Most Welcome :)

01-08-2005, 07:45 PM
JayD, Thanks much for the C & C! I appreciate it.
I left the BG till last as I knew it would be simplistic, it was just the color I wondered about. I understand AK to say she doesn't always follow the 'rules' either. She mentions putting the darkest values in the BG first if that is where the dark-darks are. She also says she does the simpliest thing first so she doesn't lose too much should she scrap it. I didn't follow that, but it is a good rule.
Does it need a background? I suppose not, but I would like to add a little color. The B-day cake.... LOL.... When I post the final (should I get there :( )I will be posting my first attempt. In the first attempt, last Feb or so, the BG and the b-day cake were so-o-o-o-o horrible!!!!!!! And Luke looks like a dirty little boy, which she mentions in her book as well. So, that is why the candles float-BAD cake. As you do not think that looks OK, (I am a bad judge) I will see about at least having the top part of the cake so they don't float. Will I ever learn???? :(
Thanks again. :)

01-08-2005, 08:46 PM
Good report. Anatomy and there it is again, the P-word...just a part of our lives now :D , great subject. I like your drawings, the leaves in the big tree are especially well done. :clap: :clap: Sultry has recommended Loomis as well. Question, is the book available in a hard copy, or are they dear?

Sultry, If I may offer this up, I think when you made the grass so highlighted, you lost any shadow of the horse and rider. You need a shadow and a bit more value to the grass and fence maybe as well. Just my opinion. Everything else looks great!
BTW, How about Mon, Wed & Friday evenings for my sub, sub, subbing? More if you need me. I'm sure we all can be flexible with this.

01-08-2005, 08:59 PM
OK, everybody--I'm takin' the portrait class so I will KNOW who will be there! :evil: and a hearty :D :D :D

Did I miss something? Seems like we are all growing and going through changes. I am down with the flu or a reasonable facsimile. yuck. Too sick to paint so here is my rose from my book. Very difficult I thought. Dogs will be more fun for me. And if we can't have fun, what the heck are we doing here?
:evil: :D
Ann Marie - Andrew Loomis' book looks like a fun book to learn from
Congrats on your promotion Sultry. Being so new to drawing I really don't feel qualified to help anyone.
Glad to see everyone here and looking forward to our next lesson.

01-08-2005, 09:08 PM
Judi--you are right AK says exactly that--as a matter of fact she goes out of her way to emphasize that rules are meant to be broken. I see too many people roping themselves into following the regs and they unnecessarily stifle themselves--do as she says--experiment and find your own way. We should all live by that rule.

BTW--I am posting the tree over in class 8 probably sometime tomorrow--I am so stressed right now that I forced myself to sit and do that tree. I am having a blast so far and I feel much better. God, I need to win a lottery--then again it would help if I actually played them.

Barb--is this rose part of the book report. it is very delicate looking.

01-08-2005, 09:54 PM
So sorry you are not well. :( Maybe you will feel better in the morning. Your rose is lovely!! :clap: :clap: It is one of the most difficult flowers to draw. So-o-o-o many pedals (some species, like the one you have drawn). Maybe a few more values to make it pop. Well rendered!!!!
Some of us are taking the portraiture class. We are working on the mouth right now. Stop over if you are interested. I have always liked the group over there, limited exposure that I have.

JayD, Please stop stessing out. No good for you. I am glad drawing de-stresses you. :D Keep drawing.....and try to relax. Looking forward to your tree! And what will YOU put in your tree. :evil:

01-08-2005, 09:59 PM
Hi everyone :wave:

We went out for awhile to BF's daughters and watched such a funny movie the 2nd one to Meet the parents. Meet the Fockners I think its called ... Oh I loved the cat & dog. ha ha

Anyways, Your right Jay & Judi it is flat because I erased my values to the land.....badddd sultry badddd sultry hmm I seem to remember hearing that 2 x before. lol

Oh well I will trace it to another paper. I am just in glee over how much I made my dog look Pirate it has me so nostiligic with this picture you would not believe it. I have re-created a memory and my beloved pets.

I highly recommend this to any of you to try...re create a fond memory, it keeps your spirits so high and melonchony (sp?). Boy do I need to go English class (lol).

Lisa, loved your report & you can teach me about landscaping that is very nice landscape drawing you have.

Thank you Barbara I like your rose, it looks like you were sketching the negative space to bring out the petals. :)

Can't wait to see your tree Jay

01-09-2005, 04:18 AM
Dave I will take you up on that, I notice you are on in my mornings and I do have to be away on Monday & Thurs mornings since holidays are over. So if you would not mind monitoring when you can on those mornings I know your C&C is very helpful and needed.

OK, I will do my best!

01-09-2005, 07:02 AM
Good Morning Everyone :wave:

Judi, I just saw your update of "Luke". Fabulous work on the skin tones and love those eyes. The one thing I did notice and someone else may have commented previously about this, is the blue lines in the shirt on the right shoulder. My suggestion would be to drop the blue lines where the shirt folds, to follow the shape of the shirt (like you did on the left shoulder). By now you have probably decided on your background and I'm confident that it will be a fitting backdrop to this portrait of your son. Thanks again for the welcome back Judi :D

Hi Blah, :wave: I missed all of you too. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your beautiful work!

Hi Mary :wave: Did something happen with your foot? I missed that in the threads. ohhh, three weeks in a cast, a great art opportunity :evil: Thanks for the welcome back!

Sultry, I like what you did with the collie, looks really good to me :)

Hi Anne Marie :wave:, good report on the Loomis e-book. I have several of his e-books and voted on the petition to have them reprinted. Those are what started me drawing again :) I really enjoyed your sketches from the book and the funny faces one can create. Very creative taking it from a stick figure to dimensions to full body builder. The landscape drawing has an "old world" or antiquish look to it which I really like. Great trees with good shapes, lights and darks too.

Hi Barbara, :wave: I'm sorry to hear you are ill and hope you feel better quickly. Beautiful rose drawing and well worth the effort it took to draw it.

Yes, Jay, I hate to hear you are overstressing. Hope you keep a small sketch book handy and doodle for at least five minutes to ease the tension!

Have a great day everyone!


01-09-2005, 08:22 AM
Thanks for the C & C! You are correct. I added the fold there, the sweater actually falls fairly smooth there. I'll fix that. It will be easier to lift the fold than the blue I believe. CP is not always so forgiving. I had his hair to big and had made it smaller at one point, could not get it all out (the brown), but refilled it in, crossing my fingers, praying he did not end up with a helmet head. Thanks! :D

01-09-2005, 09:00 AM
Judi....I meant to include this in my last post but somehow missed doing it. No. 5 is my choice for the background (if you have a background) but let me warn you that colour is definitely not my strong suit.

Mary, sorry to hear about the cast. Hope it isn't too much of a handicap and that you get to make the best use of any time that it frees up.

Sultry...I agree with Jay...there is a flatness to the drawing in spite of your main subjects being so three dimensional. I also agree with Judi that this is probably because there are no shadows to anchor them and make the picture come alive.

Also, there isn't enough depth in the background. By this I mean that the foreground is detailed, but after that the rest is uniformly vague, instead of details and tone changing gradually as you go from foreground to middle ground to distant background.

Do we get to see the prelim sketches for your painting and the painting itself?

Lisa / Anne-Marie, Fun With Pencil sounds like a real fun book. Your second drawing re-inforces this impression, while the first is nice for its range of values which gives depth ot the landscape.

Barbara...That is a terrific rose :clap: :clap: I think you should try and shade it (give it a range of values) to make it 3-dimensional.

Sorry to hear that you are not well. Hope you get well soon.

Jay, I am looking forward to your tree...drawing it as my class 8 assignment and looking at the one you have drawn.


01-09-2005, 09:10 AM
Hi all. Still feeling quite yucky so I thought I might check in and do the WDE.
I am glad others think roses are hard to draw. I think they are much easier to paint, however, I was trying to make mine as exact as the example in the book from my book report. Now that I am done with it, can I introduce color over the graphite? I have a friend who is rose crazy and I would like to either try cp or watercolor or even acrylic washes.
Sultry, I am glad you are finding your memory drawing coming around. That is a great idea. I had a wonderful childhood and I think I would like to try something like you are doing. We had a rooster named George that was the buddy to our big collie, Shep when I was a kid. Could make for a great memory drawing. I think my Mom still has a pic of Shep and George sharing a plate of spaghetti on the back porch. Kind of a wierd twist on the Disney flick Lady and the Tramp. LOL I must have a fever - I am getting too wierd. BTW There is a great pic (taken by my photographer - hubby) in the RL here of Moxie - our purebred rough collie if you want to look.
JayD, I am glad you are drawing to destress. I have a very stressful day job in the mortgage industry and this class has saved me from exploding there at times. Thank God I have my own office and can sham out as needed.
OK I won't bore you with my dog drawings - they were actually a snap for me as I think I have painted more dogs and cats than anything else. So I cruised through that chapter and l am so pysched to draw horses (my book didn't get here yet ) that I am going to do the ones in the book and the pony in the WDE. Of course we got a ton of snow yesterday and I still have to get out to the grocery store, parents, etc. You can only stay on the couch so long - the hubby and animals get hungry.
Have a great day all.

01-09-2005, 10:55 AM
Good morning Ann & thank you for C & C & you have a great day too.

Blah I agree my foreground is shaded and I erased my bg but I am going to transfer this to another larger paper. Will start all over with knowledge of alot of what I need to do. I started this from memory (meaning no ref photo to copy values from). I do not think that was smart for the reason I am now stuck with a bg I need to figure out values to make it not look flat. I guess I will do what I did with my dog and that is to find a ref photo with a similar bg to copy values from.

My prelim sketch? Could you explain what you mean, I do have a start of it here some where.

Barbara I would love to see George & Shep in a drawing by you. I used to have 3 roosters guess what their names were. lol Larry ; Moe & Curly they were the funniest trio too. Leghorn beautiful white ones.

There is a few ref pic of Roosters I have too. Oh is Moxie in the animal ref photo area I just scanned thru it and could not find it. Please send me a link I would love to see your dog.

01-09-2005, 11:14 AM
OK I won't bore you with my dog drawings - they were actually a snap for me as I think I have painted more dogs and cats than anything else. Barbara

Barb, Bored?...I don't think so.....Please share, I would also like to see your animals! :D

Cathie Jones
01-09-2005, 11:35 AM
Barb, I agree with Judi - we'd love to see your dogs!

Sults, when you re-do the background, remember that objects closer to the viewer are darker, farther away they get lighter. So, if you don't darken the grass area, be careful not to make your background dark. :D The love is so obvious in your drawing - especially the way you're leaning on the horse.

DH and I had a discussion yesterday about the lady who cloned her cat, and we agreed that if we had $50,000 to spare, we'd clone one of our dogs. So I understand how you feel about your dogs. Guess I should play the lottery with JayD!!!!

JayD, I commented earlier about your sketch request . . . I don't know the post number, but it was yesterday. Take a look when you get a minute.

01-09-2005, 12:49 PM
Sults, when you re-do the background, remember that objects closer to the viewer are darker, farther away they get lighter. So, if you don't darken the grass area, be careful not to make your background dark. The love is so obvious in your drawing - especially the way you're leaning on the horse.

Thank you for reminding me sub CJ :) I was just going to go hunt in landscape fora for instructions. lol See that book really helped you to see other ppls work and C&C with confidence I am happy you did that. :)

01-09-2005, 12:50 PM
you can go ahead an post it here now if you want--but you should check out an author by the name of Claudia Nice who has an excellent book on sketch jornals. Also, check out Sketchbook Magazine. Both excellent resources. :)

We will all take a quick gander at your sketch to see where you want to be but htere is a plein aire class coming up shortly (with my luck we be doing plein air in a blizzard) so be on the look out for it.

As far as people and clothing and the like try this book:

Drawing People: How to Portray the Clothed Figure by Barbara

In my opinion this is one of the definitive books on the subject. It will help you immensley with your on the spot sketching.

The other thing to do CJ and this IS VERY IMPORTANT is to carry a sketchbook wherever you go STARTING NOW--do not do detail work in this sketchbook--just quick gestural sketches.

Here is an example from the sketchbook I carry wherever I go--no form or thought just quick sketches--dont focus on "gettin' it right" just let your powers of observation take charge--the skill wil come with practice:

01-09-2005, 03:00 PM
JayD asked:
Sultry, take a piece of tracing paper and lay it over the top and mark your geometric shapes. There is something FLAT about it that is bother me--I am not sure the highlights helps--the girl, the horse of course and oh yes, Bailey's stunt double all look fabulous but there is a flatness about it that I can't place--any suggestions from the rest of the class?

I think that it's the fence railing. It cuts back very sharp and disappears behind the beautiful horse and flattens the entire picture plane. Is that it?


01-09-2005, 03:06 PM
Dash, I think you may be right. Good observation.

01-09-2005, 03:28 PM
Title: Figure Drawing For All It’s Worth.
A Book Of Fundamentals for an Artistic Career
Author: Andrew Loomis
by joe

ISBN number: unavailable

# of pages: 205 pages

Originally printed: circa 1940?

How and why you think this book is important:
Just today I read Michelle’s comment “…and did the first two or three lessons (the story of my life) before it got lost on my bookshelf. I really liked the book though…” and I realized why I liked this book. I got serious about learning art about 3 years ago (actually at that time I was obsessed with pastels). Like many here I had many earlier abortive efforts to learn, once in the late 70’s and again in the mid 80’s taking classes at a local community college and at a local Art Museum, but life kept getting in the way. In between times I bought and read many art books, but they all fell into the category Michelle so eloquently described. Over time I guess I gleamed some basic principles here and there, but I never had the time to put them to practice. (In fact one book in my collection, with a very well traveled dust jacket, is “How to Draw What You See.” ( I am sure I did the first four chapters at lest 3 or 4 times.)) This is a long and convoluted path to get to the reason I like this book…. it is different. His writing style is almost conversational at times. He also does not spend the first 5 Chapters talking about mediums, paper, and drawing fundamentals. You cannot read this book like a ‘normal’ book as much of what the book is about is contained in the figures/illustrations. Example:
Chapter I: 36 pages (6 text – 29 figures)
Chapter II: 10 pages (2 text – 8 figures)
Chapter III: 14 pages (3 test – 11 figures)
Chapter IV: 9 pages (1 txt – 8 figures)
Chapter V: 11 pages (2 text – 8 figures)
…I think you get the point.
The figures present much of the information in the book. The figures are not just demonstrative of a particular point referenced in the text and but rather present the material.

The perspective material in the first chapter is very good and is oriented to figure drawing. (There is also an even better presentation on perspective in general in his book “Successful Drawing”. It helped me understand how perspective and proportion work together. He touches on this topic in all of his books including Figure Drawing but explains perspective and proportion in depth in “Successful Drawing”.)

There are a few shortcomings. First the book was written probably in the 1940’s and the intended audience was student illustrators. Second, most of the ‘problem’ exercises are geared toward working with publishers and/or agents, so while they may be good at stimulating creativity they are not of great value for fine artists. Also he does not provide solutions to the problems or even sample solutions.

His approach is definitely different and I like it. He suggests in the forward…”With every page I suggest you place your pad at the side of the book. Try to get the meaning behind the drawing much more than the drawing itself.” He closes the forward with the comment “Perhaps the best way is to suggest that you use the book in whatever way suits you best.”

Summary of the book:
An Opening Chat
I. The Approach To Figure Drawing – In this chapter alone he covers perspective, proportion, manikins, movement, the skeleton, and body landmarks. He also states on an overleaf at the beginning of the chapter “The reader is urged to give this chapter his utmost attention since it is unquestionably the most important chapter in the book, and one to pay good dividends for the concentrated energy involved.”
II. The Bones And Muscles: Here he presents the muscles in body segments ( neck, shoulder , arms) which make it easier to digest.
III. Block Forms, Planes, Foreshortening, And Lighting. Having just finished Lesson 8 here at WC, this chapter on light planes made a great deal of sense, but he hardly touches on foreshortening which is always a real bugaboo for me.
IV. Drawing The Live Figure: Methods Of Processing. Here he presents the classic pencil at arms length and viewfinder techniques
V. The Standing Figure This chapter and the following one really set up the chapter on balance and rhythm
VI. The Figure In Motion: Turning And Twisting
VII. Forward Movement: The Tipped Line Of Balance. This chapter includes reference photo sequences of men and women walking and running. In this chapter I took great exception to his statement…”I do not admire photographic looking drawing…”, Before coming to this forum my favorite artists included Escher, Degas, JD Hillberry, Bev Doolittle and Robert Bateman. (Since being joining this forum I have added Armin Mersmann.) All of these artists, to me, create very realistic drawings that are so realistic as to be “photographic looking”. (Except Degas but that is a whole other story.)
VIII. Balance, Rhythm, Rendering. Balance and rendering I expected to be covered but I don’t think I have ever thought of artwork as having rhythm until reading this.
IX. The Kneeling, Crouching, Sitting Figure. Mostly examples of these poses and different techniques.
X. The Reclining Figure. Mostly examples of these poses and different techniques.
XI. The Head, Hands, And Feet. Mostly examples of these body parts.
XII. The Complete Figure In Costume Brief discussion on material and garment construction with examples of complete figures in costume.

Closing Chat: Here he includes how illustrators work, running a studio, pricing, getting known and individuality. “Your individuality will always be your precious right and must be treasured.”

This book is no longer in print but is available in pdf and html format on the web, as are all of his books. Copies are available from used bookstores and I have seen prices ranging from $70 to over $400 USD.

I am still working on the proportions in the very first chapter. I am attaching the sketches I did in early December when I started reading Chapter I which show why I need this course and this book. I will work on it more this week and post a more recent effort.


P.S. Two excellent reference books (not how-to) I have purchased since I started reading this book are "Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist" by Stephen Peck and "The Human Figure in Motion" by Eadweard Muybridge. Peck's book is especially good as it includes reference photos, medical illustrations and artist renderings and is written for the artist not a medical student.

01-09-2005, 04:06 PM
Hi everyone,

Sorry was visiting again but I am home now. :)

Very good report Joe & nice Dec pics they look pretty portioned to me. Wow cannot wait to see your after book work now.

Oh by the way, Anytime we do a nude study we are to put a little (nude icon) on the thread now to warn others. I am not sure if I did or not but I marked it in this post. Hopefully it will show on the thread now.

Daniel & Jay sorry if I sound dense but I do not know what you two mean about the fence can one of you "splain to me? Anything to do with thinking technical and perspective stuff is confusing to me. I need it *splained in pictures or detail creative writing. :wink2:

edited to add ...help Jay I do not know how to get that icon on the outside thread it only shows on this post.