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Gilberte
12-13-2004, 02:54 AM
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Title: Weekly chat 13 Dec/ 20 Dec.
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MY COMMENTS:
Hi friends .........

Here's the start of the second weekly chat.
Are you happy, frustrated, bothered with some work of art, getting busy with Christmas preparations... what's new and worth sharing ?

Go head ... tell us ... we are all WC family !

MY QUESTIONS FOR THE GROUP:
see above

chelista
12-13-2004, 07:18 AM
Hi Gilberte! Might I make so bold as to propose a poll? This is something I’m rather uncertain about...

IS OPEN CRITIQUES AN APPROPRIATE FORUM FOR "BEGINNERS"?

1) Yes, certainly: if you’re a beginner and you’re attracted to this forum, fire away with posts of your own work and critiques of other people’s;

2) Yes and no: if you’re a beginner, go ahead with posts of your own work... though it’s probably best to leave critiquing to more experienced artists;

3) Yes and no: if you’re a beginner, go ahead with critiques of other people’s work... but for your own work, the technique- and subject-specific forums are perhaps more appropriate;

4) Not really: this forum is basically designed for and “populated by” practising artists who’ve got beyond a certain basic level of technical competence, and beginners will probably be better off in the technique- or subject-specific forums.

5) Other (please expand)

Tamana
12-13-2004, 08:39 AM
Oi!! Too many questions!!! (just kidding ;) ). You'll get some great answers from some great peeps in here.

THIS is THE best place to learn. :)

Good morning all!!! :wave: YEPS!!! Carolina blue all the way here!!! :D Tis beautiful indeed (but cold and windy); however, I WISH for some snow...specially on Christmas Eve!!!

OH HOW MAGICAL IS THAT?!

Sigh...maybe maybe :)

Have a GREAT Monday, all!!! Let the LOVE the PEACE and the JOY of the season fill you and keep you far away from the commercialism of the world. :wave:

Mikey
12-13-2004, 09:00 AM
Hi Guy,

My opinion has to be biased, but yes I think OC should be a great place for beginners. Diversity seems to be our thing here, with a lot of options. Is that daunting. The Acrylics Forum is pretty good as well if you want to stay with that medium. You can be sure we do try to pitch advice at the appropiate level.

As for beginners giving critiques to more experienced artists, well why not. I think it is a good way to learn. What you will know is how you feel about a piece and that kind of feedback can be invaluable.

Mikey

Gilberte
12-13-2004, 09:45 AM
Chelista,

Since I've joined and participated in Open Critiques I don't think I ever saw a reply saying, you're too unexperienced or come back later, I mean that sort of thing. Everyone paints to his abilities and we all started at the bottom of the ladder.

As to critiqueing I often feel unqualified as well but I think one can express the feeling, the mood a particular painting conveys or give an opinion about a different view on composition, values, palette etc.

Hope others will join in on your poll !


Tamana,

I've sinned against the commercialism of the world and more specific of Christmas. But then, we made up some rules about presents in our family and we stuck to them such as Saint Nicholas is for the parents only whereas grandparents transfer their gift to Christmas. We bought all the parcels this morning. It was still reasonably calm and the salespeople were friendly and "serviable", offered to wrap the presents very chique and we got a "goodbye and thank you very much" when we left ........... that'll be different next week. I'm glad I'm almost done with it ?

Grey skies, very cold, nothing blue to be seen over here :crying:

Spyderbabe
12-13-2004, 12:44 PM
Hello from the cold and snowy mid west where its starting to look a lot like Christmas.
I think the OC forum is a wondreful place for beginners to hang out. There is so much to learn from reading critiques and from posting your own work. And since its not medium specific you will be introduced to forms that you might not have experience with. I've seen very accomplished artists go out of their way to encourage the newbie.

gilberte --- look at your wonderful avatar! Did the seafood buffet arrived in the Congo ok? (hahah that sounds like some kind of secret spy message!)

Gilberte
12-13-2004, 01:18 PM
Hi Kathleen,

I guess we have more or less the same opinion on Chelista's poll don't we ?

You're right: I'll look at the blue of my avatar :cool:

I hope indeed all the seafood arrived safe and cool in Congo and the shell's didn't open :eek: . Everything is extremely expensive over there. Food has to be imported and the smallest cheapest yoghurt costs 2,5$. Fortunately he has some sort of platinum card that allows him to take up to 8O kilos luggage with him. He keeps telling us we don't realise in what luxury we are living and reminds us we have no reason to complain. A very chaotic situation in Congo ... and a different culture ... like when he would increase the wages of his "boy" he wouldn't spend it on his large family but he'd get a second wife :confused:

A 2,5 year granddaughter put the crib in the fire-place ... so we kept it simple.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2004/9813-100_4055.jpg

I'm off to check on the art postings now :wave:

artbabe21
12-13-2004, 01:22 PM
IS OPEN CRITIQUES AN APPROPRIATE FORUM FOR "BEGINNERS"?

1) Yes, certainly: if you’re a beginner and you’re attracted to this forum, fire away with posts of your own work and critiques of other people’s;


Absolutely Chelista!! We welcome artists of all levels.....I remember the FIRST critique on my work here & someone pointed out my edges that were all sharp....I hadn't ever paid attention to that & I never forget them NOW due to that critique here & everyone is so KIND so no fear there...:) You're also welcome to critique, I am certain you have insight...also you can learn so much reading others critiques! :D

Spyderbabe
12-13-2004, 01:57 PM
A beautiful creche!

I have funny story about our nativity scene. When my sons were small - oh about 3 and 5 years old ~ I found them playing with the figurines. But they had added a few cast members - their 'action figures' - Spiderman, GI Joe, Batman, a cowboy or two! The heros were dropping like ninjas from the roof of the creche. They were all offering coming to rescue Mary and Jason ~
(formerly known as Joseph). :D

Gilberte
12-13-2004, 02:25 PM
A beautiful creche!

I have funny story about our nativity scene. When my sons were small - oh about 3 and 5 years old ~ I found them playing with the figurines. But they had added a few cast members - their 'action figures' - Spiderman, GI Joe, Batman, a cowboy or two! The heros were dropping like ninjas from the roof of the creche. They were all offering coming to rescue Mary and Jason ~
(formerly known as Joseph). :D

"Mary and Jason" ...... :D :evil: :D at least those kids had fantasy :cool:

The other day the 2,5 year old one was staring at her food and my husband asked why aren't you eating ? She answered : I don't like that dirt on my potatoes ....... they were actually mashed potatoes with a golden crust from the oven :)

Tamana
12-13-2004, 06:36 PM
Ahhhhh yes...."Tis The Season...."of choices....for example -- My boss bought all the girls a box of candy today....and I weighed (no pun intended) my choices...and the consequences thereof...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2004/18021-This...jpg..............http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2004/18021-This.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2004/18021-Uh_oh....jpg.......http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2004/18021-...or_this.....jpg


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2004/18021-dun_dun_dun...DUNNNNN.jpg..............http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2004/18021-Oh_well....jpg



Oh well...."tis the season!" Now...about that New Year's resolution....

:angel:

Hmmm - does this redefine what I was saying about "Consume"(eristic) nature of the holiday?! ;)

Mikey
12-13-2004, 06:48 PM
Tam, may I only choose one? Fat chance anyway.

Mikey

Tamana
12-13-2004, 06:50 PM
Sure!! Help yourself. ;) LOL!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Dec-2004/18021-dun_dun_dun...DUNNNNN.jpg

Mikey
12-13-2004, 06:58 PM
Forget the chocolates.

Mikey

Tamana
12-13-2004, 07:03 PM
OMG!!! :eek:


(lolol)

You painting tonight, Mikester?

Mikey
12-13-2004, 07:07 PM
Yep, I'm painting those girls, peach blossoms and distant mountains. Great fun.

Mikey

Tamana
12-13-2004, 07:10 PM
So you got the floor down already?!

Mikey
12-13-2004, 07:17 PM
Tam,

Didn't you se it on the WIP thread? I've moved on a little bit from there.

Mikey

Dhuot
12-13-2004, 09:39 PM
Good morning all!!! :wave: YEPS!!! Carolina blue all the way here!!! :D Tis beautiful indeed (but cold and windy); however, I WISH for some snow...specially on Christmas Eve!!!



:mad: :mad: :mad: Blue sky :mad:

:D :D

Well here in Montréal, we got nearly a FOOT of white snow :clap: , white ???....hum.....yes white !

Tam, you proposed the other day " Banana muffin " , well when I got home, there were " Home-made chocolate cookies " waiting to be eaten !!! Made with annabelle`s help !!! mmmmmm :D

Mikey !!!!!!! Hum....No chocolate ! can`t you combine both...... HA HA HA

Would anyone would have a music/film/photo links to share....could be fun

Tam, I listen a bit to the Wingmaker. Quite nice . The modern sounds with traditional rythm, pretty cool :cool:

Moosehead
12-13-2004, 11:34 PM
I haven't been on WC quite as much as usual lately, and hadn't even noticed these two new threads on my favourite forum (this and the WIP thread). Great ideas!
As for your post, Chelistia, I think this forum is absolutely for painter's of all levels. I started painting around April of this year. I really didn't have family or friends who were interested in art. This forum was a godsend.
Lots of good suggestions, but I have never received so much as one harsh post. I'm talking no art background whatsoever (at least not since I was maybe 9 or 10 years old-and I'm 39 now). I'm not quite Rembrant yet, but I like to think I'm better than when I started.
I know now that art will be part of my life as long as I can hold a paintbrush, but I don't know if I would have stuck with it if not for this site and in particular this forum. At the risk of embarrasing him, I'll point out Mikey, who is on this thread, as being particularly encouraging and helpful. I've thanked you before Mikey-but I'll say it again. Thanks.

As for critiquing the work of others-I too, for a long time, shyed away from this (although I gave lots of kudos). I felt it would be presumptious of a beginner like myself to critique others. I still tend mainly to post kudos, but once in a while, I'll make a small suggestion.

As for other chat, well here in Toronto we got about an inch of snow the other day. Dhuot, I'm originally from New Brunswick, so I know about the kind of snow you get in Quebec. These softies here in Southern Ontario complain, but they don't know how easy their winters are compared to the rest of Canada (Vancouver excepted).

Gilberte, since we're just chatting, I'll mention I was to Belgium once. It was only Brussels though. What a beautiful city. I imagine Antwerp is as well. And speaking of chocolats-Belgian chocolats are the best!

Hope you all don't mind my butting in :D .

chelista
12-14-2004, 02:27 AM
Thanks for all the replies. I guess that means you'll have to put up with me then, since I find this the most interesting forum by far.

BTW, Tamana, keep popping those chocolates, you're way too skinny :)

Guy

Gilberte
12-14-2004, 03:13 AM
Hi Jon, so nice to see you here. I was browsing the collage portrait thread just now and noticed your name and post and it crossed my mind ... long time no see ... Ever so glad you joined it and will do so again !

Tam Mamzelle, your pc will be crashing soon with all those images it contains but you always put a smile on our faces and you really move us enourmously at times. :clap:

The Dutch, the Japanese (although not big spenders), the Germans, the French are queuing up in front of the "pralines" shops here in Antwerp !
Funny impression I had yesterday when doing the Xmas shopping ... these Japanese tourists are dropped off in Antwerp by buses coming from Brugge, Ghent, Brussels to Antwerp, like escapees from Madame Tussaud, rarely a smile on their faces, never a parcel or bag but their ever-present camera, no time to have a coffee or a beer, hurry ... hurry ... hurry ... the bus is waiting... I guess they only use the toilet on the bus as well :evil:
Do they travel that way in the USA or Canada also ? Ever heard of that film : " Tuesday, this must be Belgium" ? I hope I'm not offending anyone :)

Spyderbabe
12-14-2004, 04:04 AM
You may remember seeing a painting of this arbor with the autumn leaves. This pic was taken about 7:00 pm - there's probably another 4 inches out there now....Photo taken from my window

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Dec-2004/23281-deer.jpg

the snow plow is outside now and the noise has the dog barking --- earlier she woke everyone up with her barking - that was becasue there was a FOX sitting outside.....:::::sigh::::
a loooong winters night.....

Mikey
12-14-2004, 06:55 AM
I guess we are sharing our weather with the rest of Europe here, which is mostly dry and dull. I haven't bothered to switch the heating on yet, but the mention of snow made me put my pullover on.

Jon, your thanks means a lot to me. I think the great strength of WC is the sense of family. If a complete beginner with a new found passion for paint comes along we want to see them come in, to feel themselves part of us. And so Guy, you are indeed a creative, you have the thing in common which makes us want to be together. We enjoy your creativity. This means that you can relax and we hope know that you are part of this family also.

Mikey

Tamana
12-14-2004, 08:58 AM
SNOW!!!!! :clap: :clap:

Sigh...something so magical about it landing lightly on your face to melt like tears down your cheek. It's as beautiful and heart-rendeing as a woman when she silently weeps.

Then you get to HAVE FUN!!! :D

I hope I see some snow soon!!! :)

Hmmmm homemade cookies....with the chocolate melting still....yummmm.

Mikey
12-14-2004, 09:20 AM
Hey Tam, I can eat as much chocolate as I want and never, ever put on weight. The thing is they don't really bother me for comforts sake. Is it possible we sometimes seek for comfort in the things we shouldn't have. Well, I hope not.

Mikey

Moosehead
12-14-2004, 11:09 AM
Gilberte, I agree about the tour bus/camera thing for any tourists. When I was 21. I backpacked through Europe with 3friends and a Eurail pass. It was the best time of my life. Met lots of local people and other travellers-and, of course, stopped for many a beer. For the tour bus crowd, it often seemed rather than enjoying what they were seeing and experiencing it, they were moreconcerned with recording images for later. Not that I didn't take a few photos myself.

As another example, I've been down to the Carribean a few times. Those poor folks on cruise ships would line up and get herded off the boat like cattle. They'd usually get off in the main town of the island, where they were hussled into shops by local vendors to buy tee-shirts, and had to get back on the boat 2 hours later, so they never really would get to see the beautiful parts of the island.

For me the best part about travelling has always been meeting the people and experiencing a bit of the "real" local culture, not snapshots in front of famous landmarks.

Speaking of travel, my folks are flying here (Toronto area) from eastern Canada in January to watch my 2 kids for a week (81/2, 51/2) so my wife and I can go to Cuba for a week. Our first "adult" trip in about 9 years (other than the occasional day or two). I can't wait. Shorts in January, the beach, a swim up bar, tropical drinks some scuba diving, and no cartoons for a week. Sweet!

Moosehead
12-14-2004, 11:11 AM
Hey Tam, I can eat as much chocolate as I want and never, ever put on weight.
Mikey

I'm still guessing you don't look good in a bikini :D :D .

Mikey
12-14-2004, 12:53 PM
I'm still guessing you don't look good in a bikini :D :D .

Yeh, well, no I wouldn't would I. But I know a few people who would. :angel:

Mikey

Gilberte
12-14-2004, 01:04 PM
Jon, I bet you had a good time travelling through Europe at 21. All youngsters should be able to do that before starting real life ! I hope you'll enjoy the Cuba trip with your wife especially at that time of the year. No cartoons :D but maybe Bikinis ... and don't forget your sunglasses !

Mikey :angel: :D

Mikey
12-14-2004, 01:40 PM
Hi Jon,

Oh for a peaceful week, fortnight, or month in the sun at Lanzarote. Waited om hand and foot, real food, no shopping, no microwave and no washing up.

Mikey

Gilberte
12-14-2004, 02:33 PM
Hi Jon,

Oh for a peaceful week, fortnight, or month in the sun at Lanzarote. Waited om hand and foot, real food, no shopping, no microwave and no washing up.

Mikey

I bet you'd miss your easel and the internet :evil:

Mikey
12-14-2004, 02:53 PM
I bet you'd miss your easel and the internet :evil:

What a sacrifice, maybe a week then.

Mikey

haaf
12-15-2004, 07:57 AM
Hey all................
Talking about chocolates and other delicacies..................
that's why............
I use my running shoes every day
Caroline ;)

Tamana
12-15-2004, 08:21 AM
Oh for a peaceful week, fortnight, or month in the sun at Lanzarote. Waited om hand and foot, real food, no shopping, no microwave and no washing up.


I bet you'd miss your easel and the internet

Oh I don't know...I'm sure there are laptops to be found there. :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/15-Dec-2004/18021-embepu_cl1613_pic039.jpg


Edit: "Run Fooorest...erm...Caaaroline, ruuuuuuuuuuuuun!"

Mikey
12-15-2004, 08:41 AM
Caroline, you must be dedicated with those Nike shoes.

Tam, there is hope yet for the old geyser :p

Mikey

LisaArt
12-15-2004, 09:08 AM
Just popped in quickly to say hi to you all! :wave: So much snow here in Montreal. It is beautiful though.. A white Christmas. I am having a good laugh reading all your posts. :D
The computer internet connection is quite slow here, so Posting and viewing the pictures takes so long..Well, you all seem quite busy with painting and WIPs, Mikey I am enjoying your WIP. Daniel, anxious to see that Face, Great work at your class Gilberte.
So again, have a great Christmas holiday and new years everyone!

haaf
12-15-2004, 09:52 AM
Mikey
Lanzarote looks somewhat like the surface of the moon here and there, spectacular. Pretty windy there too.
As for the Nikes (I try to stay dedicated)......and good shoes are important when running otherwise I'm outta of it in no time with sheen splint injury.
Caroline ;)

Mikey
12-15-2004, 10:06 AM
Caroline,

I used to run marathons including the London, but wasn't very fast. Ten miles a day was my training, but as usual over did it.

I don't know much about Lanzarote, never ever been there. Rome and the whole of Italy would be nice for a change.

Mikey

Mikey
12-15-2004, 10:08 AM
Gilberte, monochrome Prussian Blue, how on earth could I have missed you?

Mikey

haaf
12-15-2004, 10:14 AM
Marathons?.............great,
and what do you do now for sports?
Caroline ;)

Mikey
12-15-2004, 10:28 AM
Marathons?.............great,
and what do you do now for sports?
Caroline ;)

Sports :D :D :D When I finally get out of bed in the morning, I make coffee, then don't even think about it. I might ocassionally think of our heroes like Paula and Kelly. Far too cerebral aint I. I used to do time trials on the bike, but that was too many years ago.

Mikey

Moosehead
12-15-2004, 10:42 AM
Mikey-marathons?10miles a day? My gas pedal foot gets tired, driving 10 miles :D ! Good for you.

Since someone mentioned sports, I'll chime in that the one thing I like about winter is skiing. I used to ski (alpine) quite a bit. I got my wife into it for a couple of years and then we had kids and pretty muched stopped for several years. Well 2 years ago, I started my daughterin lessons at age 6, and last year my son started at 4 1/2, so I've strted up again. It's a lot of fun, and a great family outing. You should see the little guys. Even my son at 41/2 was zipping down the beginner hill by the endof last season, and my daughter, at 71/2 was able to pretty much go down any hill (of course here in Ontario Canada, we don't have anything like the Alps or Rockies). I've been pressing my wife to start up again.
As a child, my parents weren't very sports oriented, so I started many of mine as an adult (skiing, tennis, golf, scuba diving), and am encouraging (though not pushing) my kids. It's great for them. In addition to exercise, I think they learn a lot both in physical skills and social skills. Plus I get such a kick out of watching them.

Spyderbabe
12-15-2004, 10:53 AM
... hurry ... hurry ... the bus is waiting... I guess they only use the toilet on the bus as well Do they travel that way in the USA or Canada also ? Ever heard of that film : " Tuesday, this must be Belgium" ? I hope I'm not offending anyone ...

I think I would hate to travel on anykind of tour bus. Typical American, me - give me a car and a map. I like to travel off the main roads and poke about on my own when and where I want. My sisters and I once had a wonderful trip through Belgium. Somewhere near Dinant we had dinner at a small place where the language barriers were high. But we got around that by pointing at the menu and making the appropriate noise i.e. ... "oink oink ???" and the wonderful waiter played along and answered us with "Non! baaa! baaa!"...soon we were all laughing hysterically.
Now my dad and his wife travel internationally two or three times a year and often go on tours. But he is 80 and not comfortable driving on his own.
My late husband use to travel in Japan on business. Usually he had someone from the host company to guide him but on the occasions he found himself alone he said he felt truly isolated since our alphabet is not used he could not even begin to guess at the signs.

Spyderbabe
12-15-2004, 11:14 AM
Hey Mickey - here's one for you:

http://www.lanzarote-webcam.com/

Mikey
12-15-2004, 11:22 AM
Hey Mickey - here's one for you:

http://www.lanzarote-webcam.com/

And they have the cybercafe for WC. It's looking better by the minute. I'll have to sell some paintings or something crazy.

Mikey

Gilberte
12-15-2004, 12:48 PM
Oh Kathleen, those language barriers :D Once we were in Moscow ... after studying and trying to analyse the Menu in a restaurant for half an hour ... the waiter said ... " we only serve N° 41 tonight " !!!!!!!!

Mikey, think about Tuscany AND Rome ... :clap:
There's a Dutchman who created a website "let me stay for one night" and he travelled the world almost for free during a whole year.

Lisa, sooooooo glad to see you smiling avatar pop up ! Hope you enjoy your stay. Children over here are hoping for some snow during their coming holidays. Doubtful however ...

Hiya Caro, Jon, Tam :wave:

katelynalain
12-15-2004, 03:47 PM
oh..
hearing you guys talk about travel makes me want to head for the airport! i travelled around the world for 6 months this year with my boyfriend..and my oh my do we have tales of bus rides. everything was jolly-good in asia and it wasnt until we got to eastern europe that the bus travel was the worst! we took an overnight on a bus from budapest to berlin. that was NOT fun! yayy!!! traveling! i want to do it again!! must save money and sell paintings. :D for anyone interested in staying with people around the globe for free check out globalfreeloaders.com. that's what i did and you meet great people. what am i doing here in wisconsin? lets plan a trip!! ok. i'm just feeling the bug. happy holidays wc'ers!

Frida200
12-15-2004, 04:14 PM
Katelyn,

well how neat is that? I will check that link out... WOW. Six months! You are lucky... isn't that just the best, if you get to stay with people instead of in hotel rooms? I never did that for six months, but a couple two months trips in a few places ... I love(d) doing that.
Sigh... :)

quick.. gotta check out the link.... LOL!

Claudia

Artistanne
12-15-2004, 04:27 PM
Katelyn, that freeloaders thing sounds cool...I'm going to check it out! :D

Frida200
12-15-2004, 04:36 PM
Oh, I'm back...

hey look, I found something SO special, I really want to share it, even though there is no connection to anything else in this thread... but let me still post it, okay? I just think it is so beautiful. Looking for my favourite poem by Rainer Maria Rilke, I found this other poem by him:


Moving Forward

The deep parts of my life pour onward,
as if the river shores were opening out.
It seems that things are more like me now,
That I can see farther into paintings.
I feel closer to what language can't reach.
With my senses, as with birds, I climb
into the windy heaven, out of the oak,
in the ponds broken off from the sky
my falling sinks, as if standing on fishes.


(Translated by Robert Bly)

Dhuot
12-15-2004, 05:20 PM
Ahhhhh Travelllllll YES :clap: :clap:

I use to work only to save money to travel. Oh, I still do !!!!

aaaaaahhhhh

I did camping in Amsterdam LOL, funny experience. Youthh hostels, Luxury hotels, cheap hotels.....hitch-hike , everything what !!! I mostly toured Europe. I was in a jungle not long ago....nyc !!! and heading for Cuba soon !!! :clap:

I even brought some of my small oils on paper to sell them a bit everywhere...

Caroline, you liked the chocolates !!?? Hey !! You run !! ME TOO !!! And I love it, but now, there is so much snow in the streets, but it doesn`t stop me !!

Hello everyone !!!!!!!!!!!! :wave:

Daniel

haaf
12-15-2004, 05:37 PM
Ahhhhh Travelllllll YES :clap: :clap:
Caroline, you liked the chocolates !!?? Hey !! You run !! ME TOO !!! And I love it, but now, there is so much snow in the streets, but it doesn`t stop me !!
Daniel
Hi K
Chocolates.........? not really, other delicacies mostly.......I love to cook
and love to eat too. So this running is necessary...cannot bike yet cause of the wrist injury. Especially on a mountain bike.......there's a lot of stress on the wrists.
The running is fine ...you appreciate the world more while running.....it's slower etc...

AHHHHHH travelling .........we have travelled a lot, little bit more tied down now cause of the age of the children in connection to schools.
But hey....... we will leave coming tuesday, direction blue skies, sun..(the keys, everglades, books.....sleep...etc
and....for the first time in years I am not hosting the big family dinner and having guests etc...
Caroline ;)
btw just found out that next year is the year of the green chicken.......great to paint isn't it?

Dhuot
12-15-2004, 05:41 PM
Green Chicken ??????

" Un poulet vert " ???????

Maybe I`m stoopid :D but I don`t get it !!!

I say to myself, if the chicken is green, don`t eat it !! :D

haaf
12-15-2004, 05:45 PM
Well
2004 is the year of the monkey
and
2005 is the year of the chicken
Chinese you know.........
and I've read somewhere else the "green chicken"
so........only that is necessary to let the mind go wondering.............
Caroline ;)

katelynalain
12-15-2004, 05:46 PM
wow claudia,..great poem! i'm really glad you shared that. isnt that the essence of how we all feel? life is too deep to express with words..(well i mean i'm not tamana for gosh sakes!) but this poem does it. poems are healing i guess since it touches something more true to life than what we're used to hearing day in and day out. why doesnt everyday language have the ability to do that? why cant 'how are you?' mean 'i truly and deeply want to hear how you are managing as a human being in this world today?' anyway.... :wink2:
hi daniel!!
where else but on wetcanvas can you meet artists that run AND travel everywhere? doesnt it seem that you never hear of artists being athletes? i always thought of myself as not quite the typical artist because of that! humph..stereotypes. well..i'm really going on and on..bye all..hope you enjoy the globalfreeloaders site!..(the site is fairly simple but its the experiences that it allows you to have that are the best!)

:) gotta stop drinking coffee..
oh! we were all writing at the same time..

Dhuot
12-15-2004, 05:49 PM
Hi Katelyn

On AM I AN ATHLETE :D :D

Artistanne
12-15-2004, 06:04 PM
I'm a runner too--I mostly run indoors at the gym, especially in winter. :)

I don't cook much...I'm not very good at it...I rather eat than cook, I especially love Italian food. :)

haaf
12-15-2004, 06:06 PM
OK I RUN.............. HOWEVER AM NOT AN ATHLETE
Caroline ;)

Mikey
12-15-2004, 06:43 PM
Claudia, I finally got the meaning of that poem, but only with grey hair I'm afraid. I'm still trying to figure all of it even now, but really think it's me opeing up to get connected.

Italian food - great. Best Iceland Cannelloni and Lasagne, but not Italian really.

Frisky loves Galaxy.

Mikey

Spyderbabe
12-15-2004, 07:18 PM
I'm not an athlete and I no longer run but I do love to paint and eat! And read! Not usually at the same time. But two to one if I drink anything while I paint I will dip my brush into it before long. I should be a whiskey painterl My water colors were often wet with coffee :D

Tamana
12-15-2004, 08:59 PM
Oh yes....tis the season (part II): Mall Meet.

Scenario - Entering a local mall as staff designee to purchase that last minute thingy to present the bosses at the office Christmas party tomorrow.

- Mistake No. 1; Waiting until the last minute but oh well...no biggie.

- Mistake No. 2; Choosing the very hour that the local orchestra is performing in mid court of a three story mall that echoes footsteps until eternity much less a kettle and brass section.

- Mistake No. 3; Running into an old friend and actually attempting to converse during the grand finale (what the heck was it? I can't remember..it's a mental block I tell you...).

...Friend: Wshgoh sdk;s owyeotu lsjg courslgl tor a dsoh?

...Me: What?!

...Friend: Wpips you slgho ghtjp wotoy vcourt to akhkn toe and ovhsoth uo?

...Me: WHAT?!

...Friend; WOYOWY WOTWYT YOU SOGYOEW COURT OSUYTOYTO GET OSHGOWYT AND OTUWOSGHO?!

(I feel it's imperative to insert NOW the fact that exactly 1/millionth of a second before my following answer...the band came to a sudden climactic glorious halt..and where there SHOULD'VE been that breathtaking moment of silence and awe before the first faint handclap triggering an avalance of applause....there was, instead...the top of my voice asking....)

Me: WHAAAAAAAAT?!?!?! (WHAAAAAAT WHAAAAAT WHAAAAT....(eternal echoes...)

(I feel it's imperative to insert that the moment of silence now occurred in addition to the shuffling that accompanies turning heads to see a face redder than the blouse she had on. I looked at my friend who was trying her best NOT to burst out laughing, and I said....)

Me: I asked if you'd like to go to the food court get a drink and catch up for a bit?

Me: :evil:

Her: :eek:

The audience; :clap: :clap: (for the orchestra, of course) ;).

:angel:

Ah yes, tis the season.

I would just like to say that I AM an athelete but I DON'T run. And I eat carbohydrates as well.

Did someone mention green?

Claudia; Glad your getting into Bly and Rilke; they're of the heart as a painter to the brush - deeply.

Katelyn; I'm checking the availability of freeloaders at my dream destination now...

Hi to the rest of you. I'm out of words except for these I'll close with;

General Seasonal Observations to offset Consumeristic Insanity:

- A plastic bag slices the ice while skating across the parking lot.

- A single leaf stands erect like a Royal Cardinal in the gravel.

- A herd of leaves stampeding across the road scatter like ants under my tires.

katelynalain
12-15-2004, 11:16 PM
hahahahahahaha
great story tamana..you made me laugh!!!!! :D :D
if i only knew what you looked like i could picture you perfectly standing there in that mall. for now i have great made up images in my head!!! (boy dont you look a lot like your paintings!) hahaha

Dhuot
12-15-2004, 11:36 PM
Ok, I was kidding about beeing an athlete.........but I run !!!...now....

OH and I plow SNOW...........

Tam, tell me ( us ) what makes you an athlete....to paint for the gold medal !!??? :D


Claudia :wave:

Frida200
12-15-2004, 11:44 PM
Daniel: :wave: back!

All: I am so SAD!

This is my last north american WC night... :crying:
Oh do I ever not want to move back! LOL

You know, moving back to the place you come from and starting to teach in the University you graduated from, that's like moving in with your parents after you had been gone for years.

WHO DOES THAT?

LOL.... Claudia. Oh noooooo....

:wink2:

Tamana
12-16-2004, 07:59 AM
Katelyn; Just paint "Lady in Red" (face included) with a mortified (initially ;) ) expression and you've nailed me. ;)

Tam, tell me ( us ) what makes you an athlete....to paint for the gold medal !!???

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Dec-2004/18021-I_won_I_won!!!.jpg

Gold Medals are overrated (never even showcased mine ;) ). Yes..painting...and love. Or perhaps the love of painting. Or perhaps the painting of love...THAT surely would win the gold. :cool:

Claudia; Ugh! Don't remind me about MOVING!! You're going home...that's always a good thing. But you're going home as an adult to make a difference in the lives of others...especially young others. You will teach by example as well - you made it and you returned to show it.

Will miss your brief absense but your place is saved in our hearts and the forum (no, I won't allow Daniel to jump in line ;) ). Anyway...if things get TOO depressing today...just remember THIS:

At least you don't have an Office Christmas Party to attend. God am I the ONLY person who DETESTS things like this?!

Mikey
12-16-2004, 09:22 AM
I'm off to our local artists group any minute now.

Here me with boys and medal in London 19**

Mikey

Frida200
12-16-2004, 11:12 AM
Will miss your brief absense but your place is saved in our hearts and the forum (no, I won't allow Daniel to jump in line ;) ). Anyway...if things get TOO depressing today...just remember THIS:

At least you don't have an Office Christmas Party to attend. God am I the ONLY person who DETESTS things like this?!

Tam: I'm here relly quick to keep my promise with the short absence of only 17.5 hrs... LOL!
And thank you for your kind words. :)
But as for the office christmas party... HA! It won't be in the office, but I will actually be at the department's christmas party the night I get there... poor me! :D At least I don't have to bring a present. Phew!

So bye for now, and have a great day y'all ... I'll be beack very soon.
:wave:

(note to myself: Remember to call parents to have coffee ready when I get there :wink2: ...)

Gilberte
12-16-2004, 02:23 PM
For a minute only ........ back into time ......

About a 100 American veterans of WWII have arrived in Belgium this week in order to remember the Battle of the Bulge at Bastogne,in Belgium, 6O years ago. In 1944 they stopped the Germans ultimate attack. They're now well over 8O but toughlooking and sound of mind !

That same week in 1944 the Germans bombed a cinema in Antwerp. The film was Buffalo Bill and some 5OO mostly little boys and their parents were killed. I then lived a just a few streets away .......

Just had to share .......

Peace to all !

Spyderbabe
12-16-2004, 03:11 PM
G-
My dad was there.
60 years ago. In the forest. In the snow.
He was a forward observer, one of the few to make it through 5 major campaigns and the liberation of Buchenwald.

He remarried in 1987 after my mom died and his new bride was in Holland, 60 years ago, waiting to be liberated. She has brought him back to Europe many times in the past few years and seen to it that he he attended many commenerative cermonies - at Normandy, in Holland and most recently in Washington DC. These events have warmed his soul. He has been gratified to hear from people all over the world just how much the American GI's were appreciated.
And they continue to go to free those who are oppressed and deserve our gratitude.
Thank you for sharing - I will tell him you thought of him and his fellow GIs.
Kathleen


Here is my dad with his two oldest grandsons and his first great grandson.

Tamana
12-16-2004, 05:40 PM
Mikey, what year?! I may have well been there!! Was there from the early/mid 60's to the 70's.

Au Revoir but never goodbye, Claudia. ;)

Ah, Gilbert. Something close to my heart; Veterans. My father and his before him and so forth all served our country (and others via defending and/or liberating them from oppression in the WW's).

Thank you so much for reminding us of today and for welcoming "our boys" back into your hearts and homeland. I actually played in the Bunkers of WWII when we lived in England - we used to dig up those food packs and cans...all kinds of things. Remember the MIA & POW bracelets, Kathleen? Don't know if they had them in Belgium or no?

Kathleen, that's A BEAUTIFUL generational photo. If only the sons in addition to the grand and great grand were in it too!!! I see you have his wonderful smile! Hug & kiss him for me and tell him thank you for everything he did. :)

Let's not talk about "tis the season: Office Party From Hell (hell hell hell...)" shall we? Let's instead focus on how GOOD IT IS to come home, strip the corporate monkey suit...and slip into something more comfortable.... :angel:








PAINTER'S WARM SWEATS (with some yummy warm beverage on a cold day!!! ;) :cool:

Dhuot
12-16-2004, 06:49 PM
Claudia; Will miss your brief absense but your place is saved in our hearts and the forum (no, I won't allow Daniel to jump in line ;) ).



Tam I read this about a hundred times, and I don`t understand :confused:

Jump in line ??? Maybe it`s an english expression I`m not aware....

Claudia, talk to you soon :wave:

Oh Tam, nice gold medal. And about the office X-mas partys, I didn`t go !!!!

HA HA HA

Mikey
12-16-2004, 07:10 PM
Hi Tam, that might have been 198* 21 years or so ago. We all got Mars Bar foil capes at the finish for warmth.

Claudia, we'll wait for you.

Daniel, I was never much of an athlete, but it was an experience I wouldn't want to have missed. We all has thousands of people cheering us on and small kids running to give us sweets, and the medal, everybody who crept across the finish line got one.

The lady artist whose house we had the meeting at has a fabulous Cedar studio in the garden.

Mikey

Gilberte
12-17-2004, 01:59 AM
Kathleen, thanks for sharing the photograph. You can be proud of him ....

haaf
12-17-2004, 02:20 AM
a precious photograph Kathleen!!!!!
Caroline ;)

Frida200
12-17-2004, 06:54 AM
I'm here, I'm here!!! :clap:
oooof... was not the 17.5 hrs (LOL), but close.
I'm tired! But back in old Germany. I thought of you guys when I flew over Montreal (Hi Daniel! I looked down on Montreal at 7:30 pm, but couldn't see you... you must have been down in your basement :wink2: ... painting, I hope!), and New York (Hi Anne! :wave: ) ... then there was a lot of water :D and now I'm here, looking for an apartment already. Wish me luck!
I'll sleep a bit and be back when I'm more functional!

Have a good day, or night, or whatever it is where you are right now,

Claudia

Gilberte
12-17-2004, 08:41 AM
Schuss Claudia .....you're there already ! Hope you'll find an appartment with room for a large studio !!!!!!!!

So you saw a lot of water ... did you notice my hubby ? He's actually on holiday ....... :p

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Dec-2004/9813-rich_man_2.jpg

Tamana
12-17-2004, 08:49 AM
Good morning, all!!!

Yay!!! Claudia's back!! All those 'hours' without you, Claudia...what were we to do?!?! Thank goodness we don't have to worry about it any longer!!

Daniel - It's just an old saying. :)

Madame!!!! :clap:

Hope everyone has a great day!!! :D Remember; AVOID THE CONSUMERISTIC MADNESS!!! *twitch* :cool:

Mikey
12-17-2004, 09:00 AM
Welcome back Claudia.

Which one would Herman be Gilberte?

Mikey

Spyderbabe
12-17-2004, 10:31 AM
Hi Claudia - you dont look farther away :D

LOL TAM ~~~"If only the sons in addition to the grand and great grand were in it too" ~~~~~~~~ No sons.... he has 3 daughters only one of whom was there and she (me) was taking the pic!

Mikey - what's a cedar studio?

Great photo Gilberte - thats what I call service.
Caroline - are you going to have someone attend to you like that in Florida?

Daniel - we dont do Christmas parties here where I work and we're all happy about that!

Mikey
12-17-2004, 10:39 AM
Hi Kathleen,

It's a kind of super shed with porch, all made with cedar wood, electric laid on. We usually joke about the hubby getting kicked out into the shed don't we.

Mikey

Gilberte
12-18-2004, 02:00 PM
bump........

wakey, wakey !!!!!!!!!

Frida200
12-18-2004, 08:08 PM
bump........

wakey, wakey !!!!!!!!!

Allrighty!
Look what I just found: Pictures of a 'mural' that was finished between the last time I was here and now. It's in Saarbruecken, in the street I used to live in, a very charming downtown area of the city. I was there when they started working on it and asked the painters what it was. They told me that these three ladies they were painting in those windows had been living in that house all their lives, and had always (well, for years and years) been sitting in those windows, watching the people in the streets walk by... and that they died a few years ago. A group of local artists had the idea of 'bringing them back' by painting them on the side wall of 'their' house, raised some money, got the permission... and now everyone can still lok at them, remember them, and even younger people ask about them and are told their story.
What a nice idea.

:wave:

Claudia

Dhuot
12-19-2004, 12:09 AM
I'm here, I'm here!!! :clap:
oooof... was not the 17.5 hrs (LOL), but close.
I'm tired! But back in old Germany. I thought of you guys when I flew over Montreal (Hi Daniel! I looked down on Montreal at 7:30 pm, but couldn't see you... you must have been down in your basement :wink2: ... painting, I hope!), and New York (Hi Anne! :wave: ) ... then there was a lot of water :D and now I'm here, looking for an apartment already. Wish me luck!
I'll sleep a bit and be back when I'm more functional!

Have a good day, or night, or whatever it is where you are right now,

Claudia

Over Montréal ???? THAT WAS YOU ???

AAAAHHHHH ! nice !

But Claudia, now you`re further, but seems closer :confused:

:D

Tam, okay , it`s an old saying, but still don`t understand !! :confused:

Hi Mikey

Kathleen, happy you can avoid office X-mas party !

Gilberte
12-19-2004, 03:23 AM
These are wonderful murals Claudia much sweeter than graffiti. So nice of you to share. These used to be the days here too, the older people sitting at the window and watch the neighbourhood .... some kind of "social control"?
I must have mixed up Strasbourg with Saarbrücken ...

The hectic days are continuing here. It's Sunday and all shops will be open as they will be the Sunday before New Year. Last time the electronic payment systems crashed ...........
Tam, I promise to keep it to a minimum :wink2:

:wave:

Gilberte
12-19-2004, 03:27 AM
Bragging now ........

My portrait by Anchorage artist Pat/Siberart from the portrait swap forum has arrived and it's hanging on the wall ......

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Dec-2004/9813-100_4070.jpg

Mikey
12-19-2004, 05:41 AM
Gilberte, I've still got to frame your portrait of me. I've got some many to frame yet.

Claudia, it's funny how those little things we take for granted and often don't think much about can be missed when they are gone.

I did a portait if Martin DIYArt in the Great Swap on Portraits. He has gone all the way and and produced a portait in book form, including a lot about Rugby. This was a truly amazing surprise for me in yesterday's post.

Mikey

haaf
12-19-2004, 11:19 AM
that's a nice gift Mikey you've got there, good for you!!

QUOTE....Spyderbabe Caroline - are you going to have someone attend to you like that in Florida?QUOTE
No Kathleen, this is going to be a low budget one , only pouring cold water I'm afraid.............:p

Gilberte..that's indeed a nice portrait, some of your landscape colors in it

Hi Claudia.. welcome back to Europe , very different and nice too

DanieL :wave:

Dhuot
12-19-2004, 11:25 AM
:wave: Caroline :wave:

Gilberte
12-19-2004, 12:51 PM
Mikey,

That was an absolute smashing idea of DIYART to put his sketches/paintings in a book with WC pages (as far as I can see) and send it to you. I'd show off with it ... I really would !


Caroline,

My face HAS BECOME a landscape :evil: but I consult Max Factor, Estee Lauder or whomever .......

Salut les copains !!!!!!!!
Long live WetCanvas !

Mikey
12-19-2004, 02:56 PM
Thanks Caroline and Gilberte. Martin it seems is a good designer as well as artist.

Mikey

Tamana
12-19-2004, 04:55 PM
:wave: :wave: Bonjour Mon Amis!!!!! :wave: :clap:

Mmmmmmmmwahs!!! :cat: I haf missed you all!! Zey are callink for ze snow und ice tonight!!! :clap: I am so behind!!!!!

Claudia!! What a beautifully wonderfully loverly idea for immortalization!!! :clap: Such a moving tribute!! Good to have you back. How's the apartment hunting coming?

Daniel! It's like an old joke that just means when someone steps out for a bit another will try to tak their place in line. I guess a shortcut explanation would be (in a way) "when the cat's away the mouse will play". :cat:

Madame!! Not the consumeristic madness regime?! :eek: I know noth'ink!! No'think I tell you!! Though that portrait be GORGEOUS it cannot in no way compare to the true beauty of the Madame!!! :cool: Max and Estee develope lines to try and imitate YOU Madame!!! :angel:

Mikey!! Way cool book!! Doesn't it just MOVE you when someone does something like that? Such a humbling experience of giving! Happy for you!

Caroline; :wave: Not to worry too much, the water in Florida is pretty warm normally!!!

*******Random Consumeristic Thought*******

It's crazy to spend so much money on people during this beautiful season of love and fellowship. It makes people stressed and crazy and worried. So, I have developed an alternative that will make people happy!! Instead of spending money on OTHERS for Christmas (seriously)....everyone should just agree to keep their own money and buy themselves what they really need or want...then thank EVERYONE for the gift!!!

Someone tell me why THAT would not work and be perfect? That way, if you don't believe in buying/spening, then you get yourself nothing but yet those who DO believe in it get themselves something and you get thanked for it, yes?!

It's perfect I tell you!!!

I mean I can see me thanking my son & daughter & soon to be daughter for that new printing dock for my camera that I bought myself!!!

Downside: Make sure you think of this idea WAY AHEAD of time (vs. the week before) lest you hear this:

"Mom, I've already bought you the printing dock."

THANK GOD MEN LOVE REALLY COOL TOOL SETS!!!

AAAAAHHHHHRHRRRRRGHGHGHGHHGHGH

LOL!!!

My babies (well, one; the other soon to be (yes mothers know these things)) enroute to a Christmas party last night.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Dec-2004/18021-Ian__Sarah_Christmas_2.jpg

Dhuot
12-19-2004, 05:14 PM
Tam, nice children, pretty dress too !!

Oh ! Me ,taking Claudia`s place......no no no

So you`ll receive snow, ice and stuff ??

AH!

:D

Mikey
12-19-2004, 05:18 PM
Acording to the papers nobody's been spending a bean on Christmas here in the UK. So, we've had the pre-Christmas sales, prices falling ridiculously. But that's only what the papers said.

Yes Tam, I am very grateful, especially as someone did all this work for me.

Mikey

Tamana
12-19-2004, 05:19 PM
I can only HOPE!!!! :D We shall see!!! It's VERY cold and grey out there. ;) YAY!!! :clap: :clap:

Tamana
12-19-2004, 07:46 PM
Mikey, we crossed! :eek: Sounds like England has the right idea about Christmas and isn't getting sucked into the consumeristic madness that abounds. I miss living there myself. So much rich heritage and...familiarity...sigh.

Random sharing of yet another blessing:

I was in the Hobby Lobby yesterday evening trying to decide if I wanted to spend money to try paper I hadn't tried yet...and I ran across two bins of just "paper" that looked like it had been torn out of a book or pack. In comparing, it appeared to be Canson...just laying there. So, keeping my weekly regime of trying to make yet MORE "friends" there...and I ran into "Neil", who just happens to be over the painting section etc. to ask him about the "paper" and what they were going to do with it.

Turned out I was right...it was Canson - 5 sheets of 140lb rough @ 12 x 9 and 10 sheets 15 x 11 Cold Press Block.

I got them all for $1.00!!! :D

Practice away!!!

Ramdom Seasonal thought

Am I the ONLY person having difficulty singing along with the radio to Rudolph the Rednosed Reindeer because EVERYONE seems to have created their OWN version of the song which sounds NOTHING like the original?!?! :confused: :confused:

Mikey
12-19-2004, 08:11 PM
Tam, it looks like a lot of people have got frightened about spending. In Bayswater £150K buys a Studio Flat which is basically a bed sit with seperate bathroom and tiny galley kitchen. £750K (UK) buys a nice 3 or 4 bedroomed apartment. I reckon these people are so stitched up with mortgages that if the interest rate goes up it's whoa Nelly. So move out to Chelsea and get a 1 bed flat for £250K. If that seems a bit to much of the London smart set, then the areas which were quite poor bed sits when I lived there seem to have definitely moved upmarket. The prices are much the same in Ladbroke Grove or Kilburn Lane.

My Dad's 3 bedroomed semi-detached in North London was about £2500 when I was a kid.

In far out Rugby today the average price is about £17,000. I guess London is much the same as NYC.

Mikey

Tamana
12-19-2004, 08:17 PM
Yipes! Sounds like it, Mikey. I'm glad I don't own a home anymore - the thought of being tied down mortifies me now.

Hey I just popped some homemade cornbread muffins in the oven and have a pot of good 'ole southerne black eyes peas simmering with some silver queen corn I still had in the freezer from a garden this summer. If you were here we could munch southern style and gab about the old stomping ground. I lived in Sculthorpe, right outside of London about 30 min. Used to take the train in all the time.

Oh the Rudolph thing reminded me of something....


http://www.gatrill.com/christmas.html


;)

Mikey
12-19-2004, 08:28 PM
You mean that little village near Fakenham, Norfolk Tam. Nice I should think.

Having a one bed council flat here means they do all the repairs, cost and all to them. That's a lot of worry off my mind.

Mikey

P.S. A pug, yeah, just the right size.

Tamana
12-19-2004, 08:35 PM
Yeps; that's the one (village) I believe. Loved it there. I lived at 729 B Norwich Road! I can't believe I remember that but I do!!!

Isn't that pup sweet?!

Mikey
12-19-2004, 08:39 PM
When I lived in London a nice country village house was my dream. My village is reckoned to be a sort of suburb of Rugby Town, but it is next to the countryside, sort of. Hey it's gone half past one. :eek: Must get some sleep.

Dhuot
12-19-2004, 09:43 PM
Sorry Tam and Mikey to pop in :D :D :D

Katelyn, how`s your newest painting coming ?? the one with the glasses !!???

Je suis juste curieux !! :D

katelynalain
12-19-2004, 11:33 PM
hi guys,
it's pretty darned freezing here today and we had snow last night so i'm soooo bundled in big fat layers. claudia- sweet murals. it's the past keeping watch on the future. mikey and tam..stop talking money and rent!!!!! :evil:
hi daniel- painting is coming along ok..i think i'll just post it again as a finished work. working on it again tomorrow as my boyfriends parents are going back to NYC where they came from. hahaha..its been a nice visit, but.....
:D
going to bed..talk later!!!
bye for now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mikey
12-20-2004, 06:55 AM
Hi Daniel and Katelyn, see you on next weeks chat.

Mikey