View Full Version : No indigo. What else is comparable?

11-11-2004, 10:07 AM
:wave: :wink2:

11-11-2004, 10:56 AM
for what? what are you painting?

11-11-2004, 11:03 AM
but the 'darks' were indigo and bs. :confused:

11-11-2004, 11:06 AM
Payne's Gray plus a tiny touch of blue (almost identical) or mix ultramarine with burnt sienna.

11-11-2004, 11:10 AM
I think I may have too many projects going at once! :eek:

11-11-2004, 11:27 AM
Maimeriblu's Faience Blue (Antraquinone, PB60) Here's a discussion of the color.

11-12-2004, 05:34 AM
In W/N paints
Indigo and Payne's Gray are the same mixture of pigments.
Just payne's gray has less Pthalo Blue/Winsor Blue.

So add Pthalo Blue/Winsor Blue to Payne's Gray = Indigo!


11-12-2004, 07:55 AM
As with everything else it seems, indigo seems to vary from brand to brand... I'm using Daniel Smith's indigo which is a combination of PB60+PBk6 (indanthrone blue + lamp black)....

Even though it's definitely a convenience colour, I use it a lot... :D :D :D

12-10-2004, 08:22 AM
Another alternative to using [indigo/sepia/black] is to look at your existing palette for a given painting, then add something that might not be dark by itself, but will give you a dark result in a mixture. This is the approach I use myself -- I think the darkest color still on my palette is BS (burnt sienna)!

One such pigment I often use, where someone else might use indigo, is Winsor violet (dioxazene), either with lemon yellow (very close to its complement), or to darken a mix of more than a couple other very transparent pigments. You can also get a lovely deep black with perm. AC (aliz. crimson) and Winsor (phthalo) green, though this won't be blue-black. My favorite for dark clouds in limpid skies, however, is probably perm. AC + FUB (French Ultramarine blue).

12-10-2004, 09:18 AM
I had one teacher who used Indigo in almost every painting, usually mixed in with something, and another teacher who said Indigo should be banned!! I find both Indigo and Payne's Grey rather flat and dull, so I am pleased to learn about alternatives in this thread. I have used Burnt Sienna and Ult.Blue, which I really like :)

12-11-2004, 02:59 AM
I have M.Graham Nuetral Tint....... A nice colour, slightly on the purple side....:)

12-11-2004, 03:14 AM
Prussian Blue.