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Anita Murphy
02-21-2006, 07:58 PM
Amadan - I photograph my work by placing it on the floor and then standing directly over it so there is no distortion - or I hope there is no distortion :p As I said to Midge there is no need to reproduce the pictures precisely - you can add your own twist (in Midge's case it was lemon :D) I'm glad to see you remembered all the bricks were perspective influenced too.

Midge - I like the little touches! :D Look at it carefully - what looks out to you? Compare the right side of the rooves to the left side. You are so close to getting this right - I don't want to let you go till you do :evil: besides I like your humour!! I wondered where all those socks went to - my husband was beginning to think I had a one legged lover! :D

02-21-2006, 08:53 PM
7th try - Tell your husband I found his other socks - they are in my dryer =- teleported by mistake.

I hope this one does it. But then again, I would miss you. Hmmmmmm. perdicument isn't it.

Anita Murphy
02-21-2006, 10:52 PM
Much better! Can you see the difference too?
Ok - off you go! Off to class 4!

02-21-2006, 11:03 PM
Bye Anita. See you around WC. ((((hugs)))). You have been a patient teacher. Thank you.

Anda G
02-22-2006, 09:10 PM
Hi, I'm finally posting to number 3. Here is what I have, so far. I'm working on the clock, now.


I tilted to camera a little bit.

Anita Murphy
02-22-2006, 11:49 PM
Hi Andagail - welcome to my world! The dice look good but make sure that the front face has opposite sides parallel. These dice wont roll very well otherwise :p The rear dice is very nice. Looking forward to seeing your clock.

02-24-2006, 02:11 PM
Anita: Hi! I need to finish up my Basic classes; # 3 is/was my next stop. Come find me if I don't post something in this one within the next week ok?! LOL - I've printed out the instructions, just been putting it off (busy elswhere) and some of it looks intimidating to me - anything technical feels that way to me at first...with your help I'm sure I'll be fine. Thanks! :)

03-09-2006, 04:00 PM
The first one is with cylinders but they are inside cubic objects :D

Anita Murphy
03-09-2006, 07:36 PM
Flawless - the cylinders you'll do in the next class so I'll leave commenting on them - the container is great though. Well done with the drawers! Nicely done. I din't know they made green tea chewing gum! learn something new every day. Nice package. Well done!!!

03-20-2006, 10:08 PM
I didn't use any of the photos put up, but only because my NG Traveler came today and they had an adorable old barn in the middle of a field that I loved. I don't think I did it any justice, but here it is nonetheless.

(Oh I should add, the front building is crooked, on purpose. It's crooked in the ref photo. lol)

And also... the shadow on the front of the back building came out alot darker in the photo than it actually is. Actually.. I can see alot of mistakes in it now.. but
I think most of it is my lack of patience with detailing. hmmm...:(

Anita Murphy
03-20-2006, 10:37 PM
Myra - Hi! Think about perspective and using those perspective lines in this building. This was a good start. I think patience comes so don't give up on this. Try the dice as they are the easiest of the cubic objects and then build up to the more complicated ones.

03-21-2006, 08:10 PM
Myra - For the record I think having patience is the most important thing that I have learned in 101 over the last year and a half.


03-21-2006, 10:43 PM
joe... I'm struggling with it.. but working on it. I honestly think part of the problem with these barn buildings were that I drew them so small. They're only about an inch and a half square, at best. lol

I have been working on the dice (I got smart and drew them as big as my paper :lol:).. mostly just detailing... or trying. lol I am determined... just not sure it's working out.:o

Anita Murphy
03-22-2006, 12:17 AM
Myra - remember to leave yourself space for your perspective lines and vanishng points! :D

03-22-2006, 07:12 PM
lol anita ... I thought about that afterwards, as I sat staring at all the lines on my drawing table. :D

I'm having some issues with the detailing of the dice.. but I think the perspective is correct. You know, It's funny what you said about the barns.. because I did check the perspective on them.. but they still looked funny. I chalked it up to the buildings themselves being warped.

Anita Murphy
03-22-2006, 07:51 PM
Myra - when dealing with the dots on the dice you will need to use perspective too. If you do the barn that Jay posted for a ref for this class - don't do your building too big or your perspective lines will be out into the middle of the street! :D

03-22-2006, 09:16 PM
I think I've got the dots right, but I'm not sure.. they're at least close if anything. The biggest thing is the shading, I can't seem to get it smooth enough for my liking. :)

Anita Murphy
03-22-2006, 10:12 PM
Myra - tissue is great for getting smooth blending. Are you going to show us your dice??? :D

03-22-2006, 10:36 PM
eventually. :lol:

Anita Murphy
03-23-2006, 12:08 AM
:lol: :lol:

03-23-2006, 01:44 PM
Ok.. well here is my attempt at the dice. they aren't finished. :D


You know.. as I look at this.. and no matter how much I checked and double checked the perspective.. that top left corner in the back of the left dice still looks weird. Is it just the angle or did I royally mess something up? :lol:

Anita Murphy
03-23-2006, 02:12 PM
Myra - very nice!! Well done!

03-24-2006, 07:58 PM
Hey Myra, The dice look Great!! You are right though, after reading your comment and looking closer the back corner does look off a smidge.


03-24-2006, 09:36 PM
It's been bugging for me days Joe.. and I even went so far as to hunt down a die (not so hard with 4 kids around lol) and held it at approximately the same angle as the one in the photo... It wasn't off at all.. and actually, I realized the dots are too small. :) So I didn't feel so bad about it looking funny since I drew them from the ref photo.

04-09-2006, 10:20 PM
I'm just moving into class #3... I read the directions on the first page. My question is, do we do 1 of the images or all of the images? Thank you :)

Anita Murphy
04-10-2006, 12:35 AM
Michelle - could you do at least two of the images?

04-10-2006, 05:35 AM
hi everyone :wave: i just jumped up from the perspective class... i couldnt let Michelle get to far away :p im looking forward to this i think i will do the barn and the dice

04-10-2006, 09:47 AM
i just had another flick through some of the early posts and am i right in saying that we do two of jays pics and also go crazy drawing cubic objects?

Anita Murphy
04-10-2006, 10:18 AM
Naomi - do at least two of them - any more is always good practice.

04-10-2006, 10:26 AM
cool no worries im after all the practice i can get :-) its almost midnight here so i will start tomorrow

04-10-2006, 10:00 PM
Two projects...no problem! I tried doing the dice using the photo...it seemed a bit off, but I gave it a try. Any thoughts on corrections? Thanks :D

Anita Murphy
04-10-2006, 11:38 PM
Michelle - on the front dice the two vertical sides should be parallel.

04-11-2006, 12:48 AM
hi anita in the photo of the dice the front two verticals dont seem to be parallel is that a camera distortion and should we then do them as parallel as you would usually with a cube or go for more of a photorealism approach?
thanks Naomi

04-11-2006, 04:40 PM
Thanks Anita. My brain was telling me I needed parallel lines (after the WONDERFUL class on perspective from Robin), but my eyes were not seeing them. Anyways, I shall make some adjustments and post later. Thanks for all your help in the world of cubes! :)

Anita Murphy
04-11-2006, 06:20 PM
Naomi - go with the realist approach - remember this is an exercise in perspective.

Michelle - if you can do Robin's class you can do this!

04-11-2006, 07:46 PM
Thanks Anita for the heads up!! it can get confusing some times as to what approach to take.. i have had lots of fun scribbling away in my sketchbook its amazing that already my doodles are even getting better from all this perspective work

04-11-2006, 09:07 PM
Anita, I tried to fix the drawing I started. I'm always amazed at artists who can "move" things around after they've started. If this needs further adjustments just let me know... I'm here to learn :)! Thanks for all the help.

Anita Murphy
04-11-2006, 10:22 PM
Michelle - That looks much better! On to the next one!

04-12-2006, 09:03 PM
Thanks Anita! To the next cube I go...ho ho :)

04-13-2006, 05:20 AM
hey guys here are my dice im going to be away for easter so i wont be able to post anything for a couple of days hope the easter bunny brings you everything you want !!!!!

04-14-2006, 09:29 PM
Here am my dice... boy these were hard....
Anita thanks for your comments

Anita Murphy
04-14-2006, 10:12 PM
Sylvia - well done - just remember to make sure your vertical lines are at right angles to a horizontal line - yours are leaning over slightly. Otherwise well done.

04-15-2006, 02:07 AM
Hi Anita...I tried again...
Thanks for your comments

04-15-2006, 02:27 AM
Sorry missed a corner

04-16-2006, 04:26 PM
:) HOPPY EASTER! I have worked on the barn. The more I look at it the more things begin to look a little funny...LOL, so I'm posting and asking for your expertise. Thank you as always!

04-17-2006, 12:59 AM
michelle i love your barn especially the texture it definately has that old barn feeling.. im hoping to do my barn tomorrow..
anita did my dice pass the grade?

Anita Murphy
04-17-2006, 07:05 AM
Michelle - this looks ok! Remember its just boxes on boxes - and if you like to leave your perspective lines thats ok!

04-17-2006, 04:19 PM
Thanks Naomi. Anita...ahhh, boxes on boxes...never looked at this barn that way- THANKS! Driving my daughter back to college we saw lots of barns... none of them in perspective LOL...all falling down! Is there more you would like me to do for this Class? PS I love your new cat pictures :)

Anita Murphy
04-17-2006, 06:10 PM
Michelle - if you feel comfortable with the cubes you may move on to class 4. Thank you - The cats are from last year - conquering a fear of fur!

04-17-2006, 06:47 PM
Hi Anita
here are my pics for class 3
Thanks for all your comments

04-17-2006, 10:12 PM
Thank you Anita for taking your time to help us in this class. All the help here at WC is greatly appreciated. See you around :)

04-17-2006, 11:13 PM
Hi Sylvia :wave:
Great clock and stonework! At first I thought things weren't quite plumb-but looked at it rotated a degree and it seems good.:thumbsup: Study the ref a lil more: Look at the face of the clock-make it more of an ellipse. Revisit the construction of the center panel in the clock.
Very nice dice! The die in the front on the left - check for being square-on 90 degree angles-the line on the far left.

04-18-2006, 01:05 AM
here is my barn my dice is on the previous page.. am i ok to move on ?

04-18-2006, 12:35 PM
Anita..thanks for all your help...this was hard at the beginning but it is much easier now...thanks again....here are my pics
thanks again for all your help

04-18-2006, 01:27 PM
Hi Naomi! :wave:
Beautiful barn!:thumbsup: The only thing here would be the roof lines - the width should receed the further back they go.

Hi Sylvia! :wave: Good work! My comment would be to look at a round wall clock from a side view-the ellipse needs to be taller than wide---but not much. (Take note in your observation on the change in the ellipse as you change your viewing position.)
Also-I missed last time-look at the width and DEPTH of the framing around the clocks face in the ref.

04-18-2006, 07:40 PM
thanks Anita :-) ... and thanks for all your help it is very much appreciated that you take time out of your day to help us students :-)

04-19-2006, 12:58 AM
Hi Anita/Judi... thanks for all your help ...I think I've got it...
Thanks for all your comments

04-21-2006, 11:05 AM
Hi Anita and Judi....it there any thing else you would like me to do. Or can I go off to class 4?

04-22-2006, 01:55 PM
Hi JAYD, hi everyone
this is a house I drew, hope it's okay:rolleyes:

04-25-2006, 08:45 AM
Hi JayD,
I posted my excercise 2 days ago, I hope you take a look at it.
Thanks alot:) :)

04-25-2006, 12:41 PM
Hey! I'm here too!! :)

I'm posting my sketch.. I liked draw the dice.
But I'm looking to draw another stuff do exercise...
I'm happy to find these classes on Wet Canvas!!!


04-25-2006, 06:12 PM
Hey Yoz,:wave:
Sorry about that. I think everyone is doing yardwork.:D

I like your lil house a lot.:thumbsup: Every thing looks great but two items. The roof on the left side---the edge of it needs to be pulled back so it is in line with the house instead of the porch roof. The banister on the left side is missing too.
Really nice work-really kept neat:clap:

Sylvia-not sure where you are in this class-have all the assignments been completed that you know of?

04-25-2006, 06:23 PM
Hi Juliana,
Nice sketch! :thumbsup:
My only crit would be that the black die markers. See if you can make them more round/elliptical as in the ref.

04-25-2006, 08:12 PM
Thanks, Judi!!

I'll try to do that!! :)
It's beeing a very nice oportunity to get better!!
Thanks :)

04-26-2006, 01:17 AM
Hi Judi...
Yes everything is done... the dice and clock were on #554 and the clock needed to be rechecked...it is on #557....thanks for your comments

04-27-2006, 12:03 PM
Hi Judi,
Thanks alot for your comment, I am sure you are so busy, and you were not late at all.
I happy you liked the house, and you are right I felt that there is something wrong with the roof.
I liked cubes very much.

05-03-2006, 05:19 PM
I've done my sketch from one of the reference images in this lesson:


Please let me know what you think!

Gina :)

06-10-2006, 05:55 PM
Hi everyone! Just moved up from Class 2 ready or not....I don't have the actual exercises done yet, because "I lost my assignment"....Really! I printed it out but when I got to where I was going to do the drawing, I didn't have it, so I worked on some of the sample references photos. The tower was fun, but not sure the cubes are evident. The dice...not sure perspective is right. But here they are...
Gina, Juliana and Sylvia--your drawings are looking good!

Anita Murphy
06-10-2006, 06:05 PM
Gina - sorry no one got back to you before now. The line that goes either side of the clock and the one below the clock are at the wrong angle and the angle of the ground should be horizontal. Also the roof of the tower at the back right extends beyond the builidng so where you have connected it to the tower is wrong. You've got a great start here and with a little tweaking you can pull it into shape.

Christine - your dice are great. With the tower you have a great sketch but here we really need you to work on the perspective which means using those pesky horizons and vanishing points. It doesn't have to be a pretty drawing, what you should be aiming for is an accurate use of perspective.

06-10-2006, 06:43 PM
Anita, I don't know if this is more like what I'm supposed to do...I redlined the cube shapes on my drawing...

Anita Murphy
06-10-2006, 07:53 PM
Christine this is good - did you use a horizon and vanishing point to get to this?

06-11-2006, 04:22 PM
Anita, I didn't draw out the horizon or the extended lines to the VP....I think I was doing it by sight....I did try to make sure the horizontal and vertical lines were parallel, and I looked at the angles where the lines joined to be sure they ended up going in the right directions. I've done some more drawings of objects being aware of perspective I as drew, but not drawing the lines of horizon or VP--should I be doing that on every drawing? Or drawing cubes first and putting the objects in them? Maybe I need to reread the class assignments!

06-11-2006, 04:26 PM
Here's what I drew last night....

Anita Murphy
06-11-2006, 04:28 PM
Christine - at least until you become really sure of what you are doing I would recommend adding the perspective lines. I still do - perspective is one of my nightmares!

06-11-2006, 04:48 PM
Thanks, Anita...I looked at your website--beautiful work! Hope I can keep up with this to approach your skill. I appreciate any advice you give.

Anita Murphy
06-11-2006, 10:21 PM
Thank you Christine! Now those last ones are lovely! I love the box on the table! I think you have this undercontrol so if you want to go on to class 4 please do!

07-27-2006, 11:32 AM
Some cubes for the beginning of this lesson ... The perspective is not correct in every one. I drow it without a ruler, so it looks like it looks ;)

07-27-2006, 05:48 PM
Hi Krzysztof :wave:
Nice to see you in Class 3!:D

Really nice work on the cubes! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Now that you see that some lines are off a tad-go ahead and correct them. Try to also show how the dice dots would show as elipses from those angles.

07-28-2006, 06:04 AM
Great, I will correct it. I will be away fot the weekend, so see you next week :wave:

08-07-2006, 12:11 PM
2nd version of previous one + room I posted in sketchbook (I think it suits this lesson) ...

08-10-2006, 10:33 AM
Any comments?

Anita Murphy
08-11-2006, 11:10 AM
hi Krzysztof

YOur cubes are coming along nicely. Remember that each face of the dice is square and the vertical lines should all be parallel. I like the shelving unit - did you do that from life? The second post of dice is getting better though those vertical sides are still not parallel. remember that that the ref photo is a photo and photos distort the real thing. You might find it easier if you set to cubes up in front of you to see which lines should be parallel.

08-11-2006, 11:57 AM
Shelving unit is from live, yes. I had problem with those cubes, but I know where my mistake was. It's 3 point perspective ... I couldn't figure it out earlier. I will try one more time.

Thanks for the reply.

08-14-2006, 11:40 AM
Some more sketches for this lesson ...

08-15-2006, 07:13 AM
Hi all:wave: Just finished up lesson two and am ready for lesson three. Corrrect me if I'm wrong but based on what I've skimmed from this lesson we are looking at getting correct perspective as aposed to a pretty drawing? Do we stick to one and two point perspective or do we also throw in three point?


08-15-2006, 11:08 PM
Quite a time getting those vanishing points in the right place. When I try to just eye it up they are way off. I transfered the drawing to a clean paper and drew the lines without a ruler. My lines are not very straight. Should I use a ruler in the final drawing?


08-16-2006, 10:34 PM
A few more for inspection.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Aug-2006/18640-Scan10002.JPGhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Aug-2006/18640-Scan1.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Aug-2006/18640-Scan10001.JPG

Anita Murphy
08-24-2006, 08:29 AM
Don - these are looking good. You can use a ruler for your initial checking and in this class it is handy to leave the lines to your vanishing point as it gives us an idea of whether it is right or not. The lower three are great - did you do these from life?

Its handy for everyone to note that photo images can distort badly and you may find it easier to draw from life to get a good perspective drawing.

Anita Murphy
08-24-2006, 08:33 AM
Don - I just went back a page - yes you want nice line drawings, we are not looking for pretty pictures! The 102 class of perspective is more detailed and you can think about pretty pictures there.

Kswistak - The barn and the clock on the mantel look good. With the dice and the clock tower you can see that you drew directly from the photo. In the case of the clock tower I think Judi did draw the same tower as it would be to the artist's eye (upright rather than leaning) rather than the camera lens. With the dice you would probably find it easier to get these right by setting up two dice and drawing from life.

08-24-2006, 09:54 PM
Anita-Thanks for responding:) . Yes these are all from life. I'm going to try to do everything during these classes from life as I need much practice with this. Any art I've ever done in the past has always been done from a photo refrence. It's time to go for it. I'm usualy so far off in the initial attempt and it takes so long to get any where close that I've tended to give up and go back to using photos (so of course no progress!). Any way here is an exciting closet scene. I've noticed in my searching for lines that the lines which are the most forshortend (like the ones going back on the pencil sharpener), I initialy tend to make way to long (drawing what I know instead of what I see). I've discovered just recently that squinting, that wonderful detail eliminator, helps even with this. It kind of gets rid of that third demension of depth and shows you the true length of the line on the picture plane. Does that make sense or have I had too much coffee again?


Anita Murphy
08-25-2006, 08:32 AM
Don - it makes sense! You haven't overdosed on coffee yet! Looks like you have done a great job with this! I applaud you for drawing from life. I too did a detour via photos for a while but am not trying to work only from life. I think the thing to remember is that photos are a great tool, but there is an extra dimension that is added when you draw from life.

frieda L
08-28-2006, 05:17 PM
Don, good stuff!!! (I love the cat-faces)
Here I am, taking a peek in level three, I did the dice, ... now that I am posting them, I can see that I should have used a two-point perspective, since, after all, the dice are flat on the table. I did love the perspective of the photograph, so I did it in three point. Was that wrong? it was a challenge... 2-point would've been easier.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Aug-2006/22676-101_lesson_3_001.jpg

And the barn... also harder than it looked.

It's only monday, so lots more practising this week... the weekly challenge isn't cubicle at all... no straight lines in there, that will be recess time.


frieda L
08-29-2006, 04:44 PM
:wave: I know the teachers are out or busy, but in the mean time I just keep practising. If you do not mind, I just keep posting my exercises as I get them done, before I loose courage to do so... after a day or so they do not look so postable to me any more.

I am at work, so this is my view from the outside world. I could step outside and draw more, but the outside wall and the lower "planter" wall are pure white and the sun is at its highest... and brightest. So I sit inside, by the fan.

I manage an art gallery, and it is really low season, so rather than go crazy with boredom, I am really enjoying myself while learning to draw.

thank you for looking,:)


hmm, many things are probably wrong with this, but the extreme left and right door edges are, in real life, really vertical. really, really, ruler produced.

frieda L
08-29-2006, 06:40 PM
Hi Anita, Judi,
I am trying to read as much of this thread as possible... and learning from that. About my dice, two posts back, you will probably say that even though the perspective is distorted in the photo, that perspective is incorrect, and my drawing looks as a drawing done from a picture. We cannot have that, so I redid it, trying not to be fooled by the photograph.

When I said I liked the cat faces, I meant Anita, I like your catfaces...
The pencil on the page was an experiment, usually that line will be distorted in my pictures.
thanks for looking when you get a chance,

08-30-2006, 01:37 PM
Hi Frieda:wave:
So-o-o sorry to be so late in responding. :o

I like the redo of the dice! My comment here would be the frontmost vertical line of the dice appear to be a bit too long-resulting in a lil distortion. Well done though!!!!

You manage an Art gallery-ohhhhh what fun that must be. :clap: :thumbsup:

I love your doorway! My only comments here would be the design above the doorway seems not quite right in the ellipses that would be created by the viewpoint you have would not be so round. Go and view the real life scene again. Is that painted or an actual window? Also the upper jamp of the doorway-the left side would be wider than the right sides depth. Am I saying that clear?

frieda L
08-31-2006, 02:07 PM
Hi Judy, thank you so much for responding. Do not worry about timing, I am constantly amazed how you and the others manage to give so much of your time. It's not like you don't have a real life to life as well a a busy virtual one.
thank you for the comments.
the door... I see how the left top of the doorway would be wider. I think I fixed it. The window, (glass, with wrought iron decoration behind it), I know needs to be corrected... I do not know how. Not a circle. Looking at it from my angle, below, by the left door, should it be more round in the left part and less curved and even lower and shorter in the right part... I do not know how to freehand it, and even less how I would do it in a more scientific way, I wish I could. Or should I leave this for a few days and correct it during the next class which will be all about ellipses?

Anita Murphy
09-01-2006, 12:18 PM
Frieda - glad Judi caught up with you - I'm sorry I didn't. Been offline while I move across the world but I should be back regularly now.

frieda L
09-07-2006, 04:30 PM
Hi Judi, Anita,
finally I manage to show some more work... here is the doorway revisited. I think I understood the point you made, and after fixing that, I found many more things. The right door was too wide, and ont thing after another... I could enter it for a game of "find the 7 differences". I read the tutorial on arches in the guest lecturers, ...

the next one is a small street in Brussels, in Belgium, full of little restaurants. My kids recognized it fron the drawing, so I am pleased. I saw it as an exercise in perspective, the people... well, do you think there is hope? Is there a road leading from ugly characters like this to making georgeous portraits?
here goes:
I started playing in the next class, but if you would like me to hang out here longer, I do not mind.
Thank you,

frieda L
09-11-2006, 02:48 PM
oops, here the promised improved doorway...
thank you... (do I pass this class?: I do not mean to zip through these, so If you think I should do more, by all means..)

frieda L
09-11-2006, 02:48 PM
oops, here the promised improved doorway...
thank you... (do I pass this class?: I do not mean to zip through these, so If you think I should do more, by all means..)

frieda L
09-11-2006, 02:53 PM
it did not post... sorry, I,ll try againhttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Sep-2006/22676-lesson_5_006.jpg

09-22-2006, 06:48 PM
Hi everybody, I see those wonderful drawings , it's nice that the teachers are still around helping with the class that started so long ago. I did some drawings , following the classes here and definately learning a lot, please my drawings and give me advise , thanks, Lidia


09-25-2006, 07:25 PM
Hi Freida:wave:

I like your street scene very much!:thumbsup: :clap:
Your doorway looks much improved. How did you determine the center of the design above the doorway? Did you dissect the doorway and draw a vertical line where they intercept? (this is a quick dwg-all lines really need to go to the corners). This is from the Basic 102 Perspective Class-but nice to know now.:D

09-25-2006, 07:27 PM
Hi Lidia:wave:

Fine job on those dice!!:thumbsup: :clap:

09-26-2006, 03:16 PM
Thanks Judi , I had to make them twice because didn't like them, Lidia

09-26-2006, 03:17 PM
Freida, I like your door scene very much, good job, Lidia

frieda L
09-27-2006, 06:05 PM
thanks, Judi, yes I looked up how to draw arches in perspective. In the guest lectures...

09-30-2006, 01:47 PM
You ladies are doing wonderful!:clap: :clap: :clap:

10-01-2006, 08:26 PM
thanks Judy, Lidia

01-05-2007, 01:57 PM
It took some work, but I finally started SEEING the lines!

Anita Murphy
01-05-2007, 02:55 PM
Westernart - well done with the barn. When you draw the dice don't be glued to the photo image - photos have a tendency to distort and this one is no exception. If you have a pair of dice (or should I say die) put them on the table in front of you in a similar configuration as the ones in the photo. It will immediately become obvious that the sides of the front dice should not lean as they do in the ref. Try drawing them again adn make sure your vertical lines are straight up and not leaning. Also a good idea to leave your perspective lines and the VP and horizon in at this point for us to be able to check you have the right idea. The dice should have two VPs by the way as they are in 2 point perspective. Welcome by the way! :D

01-10-2007, 04:51 PM

Here are the rough versions of the dice, the grain elevator, and the clock tower building.

Comments welcome :)





01-10-2007, 09:55 PM
Hi Eye!:wink2:

Good job on your roughs!

I would like you to now refine them.

Dice:Look at the ref for the dice-see how the dots are ellipses?

Grain elevator and clock tower. When you refine these-show us your horizon line and also the linses to the vp's.

Great job!:clap: :thumbsup:

01-11-2007, 01:33 AM
Hi Judy,

I redrew these items on large paper so their vps were far away but that makes taking a picture difficult since you wanted to see the vps and horizon line.

Dice - I tried to make the dots on the top more of an ellipse but I'm not sure I pulled it off convincingly :) The horizon line is above the dice. Each die has two vps and there are 4 vps total for these two items. My die are more like flat rectangles than pure cubes - oops!


Grain elevator - there is a horizon line approx. halfway down the picture - I think you can see it. The vp is to the far far far right.


Clock tower - there are two vps - one at the far far far left and one at the closer right. The horizon line here is below the building (the trees end on the horizon line). The goofy diagonal line you see on the right is actually a fold mark on the paper and not a line used in any drawing for this class :)


Eeek - these should have been easier? :-)


02-14-2007, 10:15 AM
Hi, I have been reading through the posts and have learned three things.

1. the red plexiglass is a " valuable" tool

2. draw, draw, draw

3. Judi and Jay are two art / community committed people

Here are a few drawings. On the cubes done in 2 point, I messed up and they are not quite cubes. Is there a way geometrically to find the corners of the cube?? - the side lines will not be equal in the drawing

thanks for looking

02-16-2007, 12:11 AM
Greetings - Here are a couple done today. I think I found how to make the cube symetrical in perspective in a book. Does this look right?

02-19-2007, 01:25 PM
I keep my silverware and kitchen utensils in these old sewing machine drawers.

02-20-2007, 09:32 AM
the perspective drawing for today is......

02-21-2007, 10:16 AM
Here's one for today-

02-22-2007, 11:45 PM
Here's one for today

02-23-2007, 11:21 PM
Hi EP!:wave: Your drawings looks good:clap:
The dice are a bit flat:wink2: Try drawing the ellipses by drawing paramenter for them-taking the parameter lines to the vps-thoat will help.
On the barn-the lines representing the roof tops and building base should be parallel.
The clock tower looks great!-the only thing I would suggest you do is to show how you found the tip of the roof and reasses the ellipses. Hmm you were having trouble with those... but the next Class on cylinders helped you out I know.:thumbsup:

Hi Azul!:wave:
Been busy have you?:thumbsup:
Your drawings in post 615 look great!
In post 616-the clock tower looks really good-just work on the ellipse shapes some more. Like the trees and bushes there:thumbsup: Cubes look good too!
In post 617 the utensil compartments look good!
In post 618-the relationship of how the 'roof' sets on the base is off a bit-you may want to study that and see what needs done there.
In post 619-the cupboard are is really nice!
In post 620-nice house.:thumbsup:
KUDOS to you for all the work you did here. I am glad you took the extra steps!:clap: :clap: :clap:

03-14-2007, 10:08 AM
Thanks Judi - Here are a couple sketches I did while waiting at the local college sans ruler...It felt good to feel the beginnings of a knowhow. I know 6 months ago I would not done near so well or enjoyed it so much.
I hope to work somemore on the images Jay has posted this week.

03-18-2007, 05:01 PM
Bye, Judi - hope all goes well - maybe "see" ya around:wave:

04-04-2007, 02:29 PM
Yipppeeee - I got this one

I drew the three prototypes, cut them out and placed them according to Jays - phew!!!!!

04-24-2007, 11:39 AM
back after to wonderful trip to Hawaii :)

here is one for today

Everytime I work on a photo done by Jay I realize the careful planning he put into it.

05-03-2007, 09:44 AM
Here's another take on that

Anita Murphy
05-03-2007, 10:05 AM
Azulparsnip (love the name by the way!) the clock and vase look good but don't forget that the brickwork on the horizontal shelf is also going to work to perspective.

05-04-2007, 10:57 AM
Hi Anita, thanks for looking - perhaps you can see the perspective lines to the brick work on this adjusted take. I can't see where I went wrong?

Here is another study too.

again, thanks for your help and all you do here

05-04-2007, 10:58 AM
uuuh, too fast on that button :rolleyes:

05-04-2007, 10:59 AM
and the other,..... sheesh

05-13-2007, 05:53 PM
Here's one for today

05-21-2007, 03:43 AM
. In last class nobody dosn`t tell what wrong or what not, I presume that I soooo... good in this!;) Allso I feel myself a little bit lonley in those emty classes.OK! Now I am here and include some works. I see that the box under clock is doesnt look in perspective but I see him that way.Now I work with towerhous, and thats a grayzy! Who buildt that kinde of house!!!:eek:



05-21-2007, 02:34 PM
At last one allmost normaly tower. And how much paper I spent!:eek:

05-22-2007, 10:07 AM
Greetings Barbaara - it does get lonesome here, but the practice helped me alot. Think I'll move on to the next class.......

07-13-2007, 08:11 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jul-2007/9991-Class_3_Cubic0001.JPG http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jul-2007/9991-Class_3_Cubic0002.JPG
I kind of almost did not post this, after looking at azulparsnip work, just really great all the perspective lines, and I am not showing any here, I did it just following the picture, and instead of the dices I did open boxes.
Should I repeat the exercise and use the perspective lines?
Thanks for the comments, Lourdes :o

Mr. Wry hands
07-14-2007, 07:41 AM
Hello there! =)
a couple of cubic objects =)
What do you think? Are they ridiculous? =/
I'm completely newb in drawing...

07-15-2007, 12:58 PM
Azulparsnip - You have some really good cubes here. The table is right on, shows that all your practice is helping you.
Barabaara - You have the concept of the cubes right, but some times the vanishing point you are using is too close to the object. The dresser in the first drawing is an example of this. If you were close enough to it to see all that detail, the vanishing point would be much farther out, so the side would have top and bottom lines almost parallel. The same applies for the dice. You really nailed that clock tower. Now that is done, aren't you glad you spent so much time on it?
Lourdes - something about that barn bothers me, I think the front of the tall part is not quite in shape. But the vertical lines do seem to be parallel, so this might be an artifact of the lines jutting into it. Love that you are seeing cubes from so many angles. In color, this seems like a finished abstract drawing. And PLease do not hesitate to post your drawings no matter what you think of someone else's. We all work at our own pace and come to our own end products.
Mr. Wry hands - nothing ridiculous here. Your cell phone (? - I am not very technical) is right on. The dice could be more square. Like Barbaara, you are getting ahead of yourself, putting the vanishing point to close to the object. But you do have an understanding of that concept

08-25-2007, 05:26 PM
Here is my cubic drawing.

09-04-2007, 11:21 PM
OH, I am here folks and so is Connie and several others--we are just invisible!!!

Tom, go back to what you learned in perspective--try instead of drawing this free hand to construct the trunk using vanishing points. Good choice by the way.

Loulop--don't look at the works of others--we all progress at different paces--besides there is nothing wrong with what you have done. I like the color representations by the way. You do have some perspective issues with the build and so I would like you to try this building again and like I told Tom, I would like to see you CONSTRUCT the build using what you learned in perspective.

Also, I picked this particular subject for a reason. When you draw a cubicle object DO NOT just draw what the viewer sees--what is NOT there is as important as what is there so when constructing a cube based object draw a complete cube and as many cubes as it takes to get that building--THEN fill it in.

Right now you all should be thinking about VOLUME in Space. No western storefronts, folks!

Barbaraa, keep on doing this, your stuff is looking good--and you picked up on something with the comment of the paper--perspective does not end at the end of the paper it continues on and on and on and on.....

Barbaraa and friends, I put the dice in as a trap--can anybody tell me what is wrong with the photograph that you are drawing from?

09-06-2007, 10:00 AM

09-06-2007, 10:27 AM
Barbara, when you drew the cubes, you drew them exactly as the photograph shows them but photography distorts cubic objects. This is something that you always have to keep in mind when drawing buildings for example. Go back and rework the perspective. By the way, I like your drawing style very much.

09-06-2007, 03:02 PM
EXACTLEY!!!! Silly me ! I work in photo laboratory 7 years and must remembe those kinde photo specific ! Thank you Jay what reminde this.

Robin Neudorfer
09-06-2007, 05:22 PM
Thanks for the comments, Lourdes :o


This barn caught my eye and it shares a common problem that I see a lot of times around the forum.

When drawing a landscape we need to locate our horizon line, that is the eye level. For me on a basic fundamental drawing such as this the eye level will be located at the point where the eyes would fall, if a person were to be walking through that barn door. We are not getting fancy at this basic stage, and imaging this structure to be on a hill, or the viewer to be in a ravine.

So with that said, I have constructed it with the eye level / horizon line, falling at that point on my paper. All of the horizontal lines will then be constructed so that they converge toward a vanishing point. All vertical lines will remain vertical.

When you have an angled roofline you need to construct a cube and find the center point via crossed diagonals (a basic geometric rule) this then defines the center of a side and you can locate the point of the roofline.

As JayD mentions.... all buildings are constructed from a series of cubes. Whether they be cubic squares, or cubic rectangles, they are stacked on top of and next to one another.

I hope that this helps with constructing a building.

09-06-2007, 08:02 PM
JayD, First off I want to thank you for taking the time to critic my drawings. I have done as you suggested and redrawn the trunk using perspective. I have also taken note of the suggestion you gave me in class 5.
Please keep after me, as I know without thinking I grip the pencil to close to the lead and press to hard. I used to write out service repair orders (multiple copies) so I would press hard and print. When I seem to concentrate this happens. I didnít realize I was doing it until you brought it to my attention.

Thank you again.

09-06-2007, 11:48 PM
Thanks, Tom--its great that you are sticking this out--NOW--one more thing--the bottom of the treasure chest looks great but lets break this down one more time--can you find the second cubic element?

09-08-2007, 03:55 PM
I changed the angle of the trunk in order to get all the perspective lines on the same page. I just drew an outline this time. I hope this is OK. I thought if I got the bottom cube right the top would be Ok. Wrong. I really missed thinking of it ( lid of trunk) as a cube.

Robin Neudorfer
09-08-2007, 04:11 PM
Hey Tom
Looking good. If I could help you for a minute though.
When finding the midpoint of the side of an object you make diagonals from the corners and construct a vertical line. Where that intersects the perspective line, is the midpoint.
If you also notice on the far edge you have found the top of your trunk lid on the side plane. It should be located on the midpoint of the end plane. You can tell that it isn't in perspective because the top edge does not follow the lines converging to the left vanishing point.
Does that make sense
Hopefully this image will help


Robin Neudorfer
09-08-2007, 04:22 PM
Then if you want to curve the surface of the trunk, you need to construct a grid on each end (I only did the one closest to us), and you would plot the curve you want. It would be done on the front edge and then follow the same curve on the back edge. (Also the grid would be much more exact than mine is. I did this quickly for the point in PS). You would use a straight edge and triangle.
This does not mean that your final art has to be in a precise and exact style. This just means that the bones of your work is well defined and you can then move along and create a work of art that embellishes the structure.


09-08-2007, 04:59 PM
Yay, Robin!!! Tom, great work!

09-08-2007, 06:03 PM
Robin I donít know how to thank you enough. I was getting lost with all the lines I had drawn. Your explanation is very clear. The Xís on the ends pointed out to me what I couldnít see. Then how to plot out the curves, unreal!!!
Thanks again

JayD Thanks; This is really getting exciting for me.

Robin Neudorfer
09-08-2007, 06:35 PM
When I learned Tom we used thin tracing paper. When one page was too confusing we then transferred what was important and continued with constructing the form. I am glad that I can be of help. It makes it exciting for me to see someone working so hard to understand a difficult concept.
I do hope that others absorb a little by just reading and viewing the posts.

Sorry All.. I did these so fast I too have mistakes. There are a few lines that don't begin and end exactly where they should.
A prize for someone that can find it... (can you smell the brownies cooking?)
I will remember to enlarge before I begin using my line tool. I am a beginner at PS. In fact a year ago I only knew how to resize a photo... so I am learning mighty quickly. :lol:
Finally taking a class to learn how to use my digital camera. It begins while I am away in NY for a pastel workshop. :rolleyes:

09-12-2007, 09:38 PM
This is my second drawing, I am sorry I miss your comments Robin and JayD, and I new something was not right but I did not what.
I hope this one is better, I starting doing cubes, and watching the lines, also I was trying to do the perspective lines but on a building like this, I don't know where to begin with so many planes.
I think I am going back to lesson 2 and do it all over again.
Please looking foward to your comments. Lourdes :thumbsup:

09-14-2007, 06:26 PM
Did some (cube formed) buildings in the environment.
T&C more than welcome.
Clock and dice will follow

Best regards Willy


09-15-2007, 07:30 PM
Hello All

I know Robin is away at a pastel workshop so I figured I may as well continue on with the classes. I hope thats okay JayD. It looks like I'm not by myself anymore. Hello Willy and loulop:wave: .

I kept the first picture simple, drawing a box with a lid and then ventured onto a jewelry box. I look forward to comments JayD and Robin.

Thanks for looking,



09-19-2007, 10:20 AM
Here is my cubic object.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Sep-2007/78136-Art_Painted_001.jpg :wave:

09-22-2007, 08:27 AM
Hello all,

Finally my clock and dice. something about the foot of the clock is not as it should be. :eek:
I also added some cubes, which I want to use for a painting.
As always tips and comments are more than welcome

Have a nice weekend,

09-28-2007, 07:59 AM
Hi, Again Willy! I get the impression that your painting is influenced by Dali...hmmmm....

Have you ever worked with grisaille?

12-09-2007, 12:33 AM
Well here is my cube house.


12-13-2007, 07:24 AM
i decided to draw a wedding cake for this assignment.

01-07-2008, 05:23 PM
Hello everyone,
I have a question after reading JayD's initial instructions. Where it says complete the sketch, make corrections in perspective, and transfer sketch to " good paper" using preferred method. I don't know... what are the methods? I have just been trying to erase the best I can if corrections are needed, but it does leave faint pencil marks sometimes. Thanks for the help.


01-07-2008, 06:05 PM
Leila - Alot of people use a light box to transfer a rough drawing to the finished paper. This can also be done using tracing paper or just taping the paper to a bright window so that light shines through both papers. If you get to technical drawing, you will want to have a clean paper and some lines will never erase. For now, what you are doing is sufficient.

01-07-2008, 06:23 PM
Thanks so much! I'll try the bright window idea for now.

DUUUHHH!:rolleyes: JayD tells how to transfer near the beginning of the instructions....sorry, I was having a moment there.....just worked 2 night shifts and am not all with it yet. Must ...read...entire...lesson Again, thanks for the help.


01-10-2008, 10:41 PM
Finally got back to my lesson. Was working on the weekly drawing. The circles on the dice were tough... trying to find the right spot and shape for them. The cabin was also difficult. I think i was trying for 2 point perspective but all the lines and angles were getting to me. Suggestions on what to do next or areas to work on appreciated.Seems like I understand perspective now but it is very difficult to do!

01-13-2008, 11:11 PM
Leila - perspective is hard, but you don't have to know much at this point. The dice look fine, I am wondering if the front bottom angle on the back die is a little sharp, but couldn't find a pair to check it out. The vanishing point will be much more obvious in larger object with more distance between planes. I really like your house. The only point I would make has nothing to do with this lesson, but the area under the porch roof would be much darker as the light seems to be coming from above and that part would be shaded. Try printing this out and darkening that part and see what you think. I think you are ready to go to the next lesson. Good work.

01-14-2008, 12:02 AM
Thanks Connie,
I'll try out your suggestions, and I see what you mean about the area under the porch roof.. I think my reference photo was shaded like that. I'll also move on to lesson 4.

02-19-2008, 02:16 AM
Here are my dice as per the photo. I suppose they are both supposed to be very distorted.



02-26-2008, 03:54 PM
Hi...i'm just starting out in class 3...here is the cubehouse: It was a challenge...


02-27-2008, 08:13 PM
tried drawing #2 today...here is my rendition of it. I see things that need correcting, and will appreciate you comments..http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2008/103700-scan0005.jpg__cubic_still_life.jpg
Thanks, JB

02-27-2008, 10:07 PM
:wave: Hi - I'm been reading the older Post all week and did some drawing.
I did the Barn and the dices. Couldn't sleep and started to draw my foot stool, it starting getting to cold when I turned on the electric fireplace I started drawing that. Not real happy with the TV but I thought I would post to see what I could have done differently. I understand what we are trying to do with the lines but they are still driving me nutty:o . I still haven't read the quest lecturers - need to do that. Thanks for any help. EdieB

02-27-2008, 10:15 PM
Sorry - Here are my pictures - thought I added them as attachments.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2008/114247-Barn.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Feb-2008/114247-sc01d53165.jpg

02-27-2008, 10:20 PM
Here is the Living room - EdieB

02-28-2008, 12:01 AM
Sandra - I think your dice are just like the photo - really weird shapes. I am sure that is not the way they are in real life, but you have copied the reference very well.
I went back to the first page and am struck by Jay's comment that we have to visualize the object as a 3-dimensional object, not a square with something added to it.
Judibelle - the cube house is fine, not quite sure about the clock.
Edie - the cube house seems to be flat, not fully volumed, if that is a word. Some of that comes with shading the darker sides. The other objects are good, especially the footstool.

02-28-2008, 05:09 PM
Hi, Did my front door entrance - I do have a kitchen window under all that snow. But I'm not sure of :o HL or VP?????:eek: :eek: Thanks for any help I can get. EdieB


02-29-2008, 02:44 AM
Thank you, Connie, for looking. Yeah, even when I drew it, I am trying to understand from which angle they shot it at. I think they used a wide angle micro lens. If not, then they must have manipulated it with photoshop with a tilt and fisheye function.

03-01-2008, 01:54 PM
hi Connie...I have tried to re-work the clock picture, and thought it looked better. Looking at it now, it seems to be leaning forward...and one blatant error is the direction of the cement lines under the clock and glass...ooops.
Do you think there is any improvement in this one over the first?


03-01-2008, 09:03 PM
well, I've decided to let the clock go for now and try the dice.
Thanks for your comment on this....

03-05-2008, 07:22 PM
EdieB - All I can see in the first picture is SNOW! That's why I live in the South. But the drawing is fine. You won't see or need a horizon line or vanishing point for a straight on image that doesn't show any distance. The crate is well done but I can't resist saying More Darks. That takes time and confidence to develop but it will make a difference.
Judi - good job on the dice. The clock picture is better, I am not sure why the clock seems to be leaning. About the cement lines in the chimney - Your line of site is somewhere in the middle, so the ones above go up, the ones below will seem to going down. See if you can find a brick wall or chimney and really Look at the way the lines change direction from your line of sight. But I think you are ready to go on to the next lesson.

03-05-2008, 07:51 PM
thanks, Connie! Yes, I will continue to work with (and look at) the bricks, but am happy to go on to Class 4...

03-06-2008, 12:45 PM
Hi Connie, Thanks the foot stool was hard because it was so close to me. The right side was murder to get and if I move in my chair a little I saw it differently. Are my dice and barn OK. Am I ready to go to Class 4???? I will also work on more dark. EdieB

05-10-2008, 11:00 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-May-2008/81928-Lesson3cubes.jpg This is my rendition of the cubed building. This lesson seems relatively easy, compared to others. I hope it's come out well enought to move on. Comments would be appreciated. jesterjangles

05-15-2008, 09:20 PM
Hi JJ...I will get back to you...just have to find the ref for your homework! Any clues?:p OK...I found it! You have done basically the same shape...slight difference in the proportions, but it was the shape you were being tested on...so on to the next class! Well done!:thumbsup:

05-16-2008, 06:17 PM
Hello everyone in Class 3.

I am taking a different approach to this first project which was implied strongly by JayD in the beginning and suggested by Present in that I see the structure underlying the buildings as more significant for this lesson in perspective than the outer skins we paint / put upon the perspective drawings. If it's wanted I can do a toned drawing from the line drawing.

I chose to do JayD's cubed barns to be my first Class 3 project. I opted for 1PP so that the top and side edges would be parallel with the paper's edges. Also, my vanishing point for the 1PP was closer; only 21 inches away. The other consideration was that for 2PP, I'd have had to place the vanishing point way across the highway (as was said) if I was to get the perspective anywhere close to the illustration JayD gave us to work from. And I'd have felt more at ease putting a scene around the structures in 2PP that 1PP frees me from. Also, for the buildings by themselves or in a scene, I feel that 1PP is far more dramatic and powerful a presentation whether just as a line drawing and/or as a drawing with included surroundings. 1PP IMHO makes these buildings stand out strongly whether alone or included in a scene.

Here's the original result I came up with using 1PP and placing my vanishing point to (OUR) right...

And here's that setup...

When I'd finished the whole structure above, I saw that it would be much clearer if I redid it step by step to show how the barn was constructed with perspective, then how the side addition was added to the barn, next how the machine shed was placed in front of the all this, and finally, how the important lines are to be transferred to the drawing paper. Therefore I redid the four steps and came up with the following to illustrate all those processes.

C&C most welcome.


Note: Why aren't the images loading????

05-16-2008, 07:17 PM
Hi Sonny...no idea why the images aren't loading...let me check using Jay's...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-May-2008/33616-jays-barn.gif seems ok now...

05-16-2008, 10:10 PM
Hi Deidre,

The Manage Attachments button lists my images so I'm going to trust that they are going to load now at least as an attachment.???


05-17-2008, 04:18 AM
Sonny, very good presentation and obvious understanding of the task! Another chocolate and on to class 4!http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-May-2008/33616-43096-8_8_361.gif

05-17-2008, 05:24 AM
Thank you, Deidre:wave:

I've not been able to upload into the message area lately??? Just noticed the Manage Attachments button and decided to try it. Unfortunately I was unable to upload into the WDT too for the same reason??? I don't understand why that's so. :confused: But it was nice to see the images appear as an attachment. Perhaps that's how it will have to be... maybe something to do with the recent upgrades and migrations??? I prefer the other way - placing the images into the message text. Hope that can become available to me again.

Thank you for the nicely worded promotion and the chocolate. Love the smiley popping chocolates!:lol: Appreciate the inference too.

Good to see you again. Didn't expect to be running off so soon, but am eager to get on with the classes... see you again in another room.

To 4 I go

05-17-2008, 06:44 AM
Sonny...I nearly always use the 'postcard icon' ...arrowed...it was what worked for me!

05-17-2008, 07:52 AM
Wondering if all the classes ahead are meant to be done 'in perspective'? jesterjangles

05-17-2008, 08:41 AM
Hi JJ...I'd say that you should always attempt to apply what you've learnt, simply because it reinforces the learning...and the more you do it the easier it becomes...having said that, there is always an awareness that we are all learners, at varying stages, yet still no-one knows it all!:wink2:

When looking at the exercises, I take the class exercise as my first consideration when critiquing...but am mindful that it's never the whole picture...there are so many elements that go in to any drawing and it's as well to be aware of anything which makes a contribution and remark on it, so that next time the student can use that information to his or her advantage.:)

Another point to remember when critiquing a class like this....it's NOT just the student who did the work that the critique will have meaning for ....it's all the lurkers too!http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-May-2008/33616-34523-0_lurking.gif So to all those who do these classes, whether overtly or covertly, the critiquers have to pitch it so that it's neither too hard or too soft, because either will affect the learning process.

Does that answer your question?:)

05-17-2008, 09:47 AM
I'd say that you should always attempt to apply what you've learnt, simply because it reinforces the learning...and the more you do it the easier it becomes... I agree with you wholeheartedly and have no doubt about it.:D
When looking at the exercises, I take the class exercise as my first consideration when critiquing...but am mindful that it's never the whole picture...there are so many elements that go in to any drawing and it's as well to be aware of anything which makes a contribution and remark on it, so that next time the student can use that information to his or her advantage.
Another point to remember when critiquing a class like this....it's NOT just the student who did the work that the critique will have meaning for I've found that out first hand! I think my point was to make certain I don't short-change myself, by sketching it instead of perspective. :p
Nothing personal whatsoever to any artist, but when I see the meticulous work of others, it intimidates me, I don't think I retain perspective and it's quite agrivating. I do still admire it fine work!:clap:
Thank you, Deirdre for kinda putting it into 'perspective':lol: jesterjangles

05-17-2008, 10:39 AM
Nothing personal whatsoever to any artist, but when I see the meticulous work of others, it intimidates me, I don't think I retain perspective and it's quite agrivating. I do still admire it fine work!:clap:

Good point...but I'd like to make another!:evil: :D We're all better at some things rather than another...so, in art it's the same...we 'get' some concepts better than others...equally we can render some aspects better than others...and I haven't seen anything or anyone that my observation doesn't apply too! No artist or student artist has it all, and by nature, we're all worried that it isn't right! The difference in most 'good' pieces can be put down to Practice, perception, perseverance and patience! You, as a beginner, cannot compare yourself with other beginners, simply because you're all different!! Different life experience, ages, schooling even materials...and most certainly attitudes...Remember that and enjoy each of your own achievements because that's how you become an artist!:wink2:

05-17-2008, 09:32 PM
Hi Deidre,

Thanks for responding to my image Upload problem. I have always used the postcard icon ,as you say, and it's that I've had problems with. Many times I've tried to join the WDT as well as upload lessons and find I'm not able to get the postcard icon to put my images in the html codes within my text messages??? Until I noticed the Manage Attachments button, I knew of no other way to upload my images. Therefore I waited for the postcard icon to work again... and waited... and waited. I missed uploading for weeks it seems. Completely snowed me? At least I've learned I can use the Attachments button.

BTW, I love the way you phrase your comments to everyone all over WC. It's always so nice and encouraging to read. You really do foster learning that way. Your insights about individuals being so unique is so welcomed and leveling. My hs math teacher used to say, "I'm as good as you are as bad as I am. And conversely, I'm as bad as you are as good as I am." I've never forgotten that. It neutralizes me to recall that. But since childhood have been so uncompetitive that I stayed away from all forms of competition - for I love to keep besting my previous efforts regardless of what my peers are doing.

Here's hoping the icon will work for me again.
Thanks again,:thumbsup:

05-19-2008, 06:32 AM
hi everyone, here are my assignments and practice sketches
practice first...pegs, window and our art gallery (just across the road from my house)http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-May-2008/129187-pegs.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-May-2008/129187-window.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-May-2008/129187-station.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)
now for the assignment..clock,barn and dicehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-May-2008/129187-clock.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-May-2008/129187-barn.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-May-2008/129187-dice.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Uploader/upload_image_save2.php#)i found the dice the hardest should i redo them?

05-19-2008, 07:47 AM
Lindee, I think your brick work on the clock picture came out great! I admire it, just yesterday I was looking on WC! at a tutorial on brick-work; nice work :0) Your barn is so very 'cubed' :0) and looks like it's a fine perspective job. jesterjangles

05-19-2008, 07:59 AM
thanks JJ... i dont know about you but i have a hard time tryin to do cubes and squares and somedays i cant even draw a straight line with a ruler..lol.. perspective .....mmmm ......i feel the same way as you on that it is very frustrating but i suppose the best way to learn is to practice practice and hopefully one day it will happen with out all the tantrums and screwd up paper lol
by the way i thought your barn was very good
hopefully we can learn from each other through these classes

05-19-2008, 09:03 AM
Lindee...I like your practice pieces...all their perspective seems good, as it doesn't 'look odd' if you know what I mean? :D However, the perspective in both the clock and the dice is a little squiffy...so I don't want you to draw them again...but I would like you to cover them with a see through paper/ film and lay your ruler along to straight edges to check out for yourself where they are a bit off target. A good tip when there are bricks involved....look to see which layer looks like a continuous straight line using both the angles... then lay a ruler along each of the obvious angles to establish the vps
here...they are both way off the edge of the photo...one (our right) is only just...the other is going to be some distance off the edge!

Don't beat yourself up with regard to the dice...they are actually 3 point perspective...and most would find that hard to do properly let alone two of them at offset angles!!!:wink2: But it wouldn't hurt to lay a piece of film over the photo and draw the perspective lines as an exercise....make sure it is a smallish photo or you'll need a huge piece of paper to draw the lines!

Remember that almost all of what we draw involves perspective...so don't be afraid of it....get it under your belt ASAP so that it becomes as natural as breathing! Most of the time precise perspective is not needed in the art we do, but rough perspective nearly always is. Remember that the closer it is the more detail you'll see....but also the further away it is the less detail. :wink2:

After all that...I nearly forgot to say what a nice barn you drew...well done!:D

Come back to me with your observations on the other two, then you can go on to class 4!

05-21-2008, 04:52 AM
thanks for your help Deidre, i knew the brick work was way off....and i can see with the ruler as you suggested where and how to fix it...while drawing this my biggest worry was not the bricks or the clock it was the glass lol it had me bamboozeled, i did lots and lots of practice ones so i think thats why i didnt worry too much about the bricks.......as for the dice well i did that many practice ones i was sick of them by the end.
i have kept all my work and noted on each one what and how to fix things so when i have spare time i can redo them..i plan to take them with me on my holidays.
After all that...I nearly forgot to say what a nice barn you drew...well done!thanks for the encouragement
i'm off to class four

06-04-2008, 10:15 PM
Deidre (I think you have this class)

Here are my assignments for Class 3. One is the barn, which I really enjoyed working on. I enjoy country landscapes but have never drawn one. I've attached two version of the brick/clock. The first time I did the drawing then took the picture the shading looked like polka-dots. I think the graphite finish got to shiny. And I tried to improve the background, but think I made it worse. Anyway it seemed too dark in spots and too light in others. I redid the drawing and hope it looks better, in the picture anyway.

Thanks for your help and critique.
HB, 2B & F
Barn is 3.5 x 5 in, both clocks are about 5x5 in


06-11-2008, 11:02 AM
Uh-oh, looks like all the class has left. I'll just sneak in my assignments to the bottom of the pile :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2008/69473-Class_3_Dice.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2008/69473-Class_3_Dice_v2.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2008/69473-Class_3_mantle.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jun-2008/69473-Class_3_mantle_v2.jpg

06-12-2008, 07:45 AM
Nancy...I think the clock pictures are fine...there is a bit more to check in the other one... not easy with such small pictures!Back in a mo!~

06-12-2008, 08:25 PM
I'll try to post again, hopefully the pics will be larger. I've submitted all my posts in the same manner, not sure why they change sizes. I will try an alternate method. Thanks again, Nancy

07-10-2008, 03:44 PM

I finished my homework for class 2 (I think). While waiting at the check-out counter I was reading the recent posts in this thread. It struck me that many people are drawing the barn in 1pp. IMO the obvious VP is much too far off-center (in fact completely outside the composition) to be seen as "looking down the street". I think this is rather cat-a-corner.

07-12-2008, 09:37 AM

Here is my first assignment for class 3, the barn.

And an image of my DIY lighttable. Zero costs, as I am an incorrigible keeper of unused and useless things.

07-16-2008, 06:51 PM

Here is my second installment for class 3.

07-22-2008, 02:49 PM

Here is another part of the class 3 homework. I tried to render the rounded and highlighted corners, but did not succeed, I gave up.

07-24-2008, 08:47 AM
Anoud...thank you for being so patient...I have been extremely busy this past week...life!

Your work is very good, I agree the first building is not one point but two, and that you recognise this is excellent. Also - the Dice...that is not only 3 point but skewed by the photographer...so an approximation is fine in that case. Well done...onto the next class!:thumbsup:

07-27-2008, 12:15 PM
Hi Deirdre,

I was away for a few days on a summer course aikido. I am back now. Thank you for your kind encouragement.
See you in next class.

08-13-2008, 07:41 AM
Hi thre deirdre, here's my homework. I chose an item in our house.
I wondered why previous drawings of mine varied in contrast and I can see that when I use my clutch pencil it is darker. I didn't realize it was a 6B!
The lighter ones were 2B pencils. I prefer the darker lines myself for photo's for this class.
PS that upload didn't work, I'll try again.
PPS No that didn't work either. I'll have to try again later.
PPPS Try a link ...
Nah, nowt working today, BBS.( Be back soon)

08-14-2008, 09:48 AM
Ah another day another try:-
The book shelf
PS Bah humbug! Still not uploading!

08-14-2008, 10:38 AM
Hi Jim,

You do not try the Image Uploader by any chance?
That has never worked for me and some other people.
Known bug, there is a work-around in the bug reporting thread (Site discussion forum) in post 176.
I found it recently, did not yet try it myself.
Cheers, Arnoud

08-14-2008, 07:49 PM
Thanks arnoud for that little gem. I tried following it but didn't get there.
I emailed JayD but he's not a mod anymore. I do know there have been uploader probs but I was able to upload in the next class, so it's not all over WC, just this page ATM for me.
I'll try again .
PS Just tried uploading the book shelf but it didn't work ... again!

08-14-2008, 09:34 PM
Hi James,

I'm one of the new mods! I'll email you in a minute with instructions on using the uploader! I know that it's tricky to use at first.


08-15-2008, 04:19 AM
Thanks barb, have read the pm and will give them a go.

08-15-2008, 04:21 AM
Hopefully this will load the bookshelf :)
PS Nope that didn't work, but it looked as if it did and it had me fooled for a minute even. Perhaps I'll give it another bash ...


08-15-2008, 04:30 AM
Cor it worked then.
Thanks barb!

Well it was over size in the vertical and I was making the change as if it was landscape :eek:
Secondly I didn't read the litlle instruction which says 'click on the image if it's the one you want' :eek:
Oh I do feel foolish :rolleyes:

I had tried the attach file via the paper clip and the manage attachments but the portrait/landscape thingy had me fooled.
I hope this is of some use to others.

08-15-2008, 10:51 AM
Oh wow! James, you did a great job!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

The perspective really looks nice! Everything is the way that it should be!


08-15-2008, 11:14 AM
Thanks barb :wave:

09-25-2008, 05:30 PM
Hi there, I have a question about the picture with the 2 dice.
I think i may not be understanding something.
Don't all objects in a view have the same vanishing point? Cos it looks like those dice have two. Am I confused?
tia. :?

Robin Neudorfer
09-25-2008, 05:37 PM
Hi Pippa - Good question

All objects in a picture will have the same horizon line.
Individual objects will have different vanishing points if they are orientated in different directions to the viewer.

Take for example a bunch of boxes that are thrown up and let to fall on the floor. They will be scattered around every which way. This will mean that each will have different angles to the picture plane.... thus different VPs

If you have multiple buildings along a street, lined up next to one another. Those most likely will have the same VPs, since they are all facing the same way. There are certainly exceptions here, especially when you have a creative architect.

Does that make sense?

09-27-2008, 10:01 AM
Hi Pippa - Good question

All objects in a picture will have the same horizon line.
Individual objects will have different vanishing points if they are orientated in different directions to the viewer.

Take for example a bunch of boxes that are thrown up and let to fall on the floor. They will be scattered around every which way. This will mean that each will have different angles to the picture plane.... thus different VPs

If you have multiple buildings along a street, lined up next to one another. Those most likely will have the same VPs, since they are all facing the same way. There are certainly exceptions here, especially when you have a creative architect.

Does that make sense?

Yes, this does make sense! ..now. :) Thank you so much Robin. :)

For the lesson, I have done everything with the same vanishin point, so I hope its still ok.
I have never done glass before, so I am not so happy with my first attempt, but will keep trying.
I also hadnt yet learned to do grey scale so well, and not happy with my outlining. But was trying to focus on the perspective, so have left my lines in so they could be judge as right or wrong.


Robin Neudorfer
09-27-2008, 11:46 AM
Your clock is not to the same VP, and the left side of the glass is not going to the same VP as the brick. My eye tells me that right away because the lines do not move in the same direction. See how the bottom of the glass is closer together with the brick as it is closer to us, and further away at its back edge. That is the first indication. It would be following all the other lines of the brick wall toward the left.

I am not sure where the Eye Level is.
Take a look at this:


09-27-2008, 12:05 PM
Oh I Seeee!:o (its so hard being blond)
Horizon was supposed to be just below the 3rd brick from the top...
I think when I drew over my lines i drew skew...
Cos my initial sketch was really accurate... well i tried to be.

This was a helpful exercise, I definately understand vanishing points better.

Do I need more practice?

Thanks again for the help, this is such a wonderful opportunity to learn.

11-12-2008, 10:50 AM
I'm finally starting with CUBES!

The last one is something that I posted in the perspective forum 'cause I wanted crits on that.

Since Iíve already posted a barn in 2 point, I decided to try one in 1 point.

11-12-2008, 10:54 AM
Cubes/ Dicehttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Nov-2008/137265-scan0009.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Nov-2008/137265-scan0010.jpg

11-12-2008, 11:04 AM
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11-12-2008, 11:53 AM
Pippa - Gorgeous drawing!

Robin - Thanks for the wonderful explanation!

Pippaís drawing seems to be looking like a 3 point perspective. Wasnít the this a 2 point perspective exercise. Itís so easy to mistake the different types of perspective when you are looking at a drawing.

Amit - Great job! Those dice look great!


11-19-2008, 11:17 AM
Heres another take on the barn-
one with full pers. The 2nd one is a trace of the 1st -but only the cubes.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Nov-2008/137265-scan0031.jpghttp://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Nov-2008/137265-scan0032.jpg

11-19-2008, 12:57 PM
Hi Amit - Your drawing looks good.

Some of the lines seem a little tilted but, I think that is a result of the vanishing point being really close to the final drawing. But, having the drawing and the vanishing point close together makes it easier for beginners, so it's better not to worry too much about that right now.

You've really done a nice job of breaking down the basic shapes!


11-19-2008, 10:46 PM
Hey Barb
Thnx for this.

But what exactly do you mean by tilted?:confused:
Could you plz plz pinpoint the lines you are refering to? I'll correct them.

11-20-2008, 12:17 AM
Amit - Don't worry too much about your drawing! It's fine. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

You're drawing looks great. And the perspective is as it should be.

It can just have an effect of "tilting" when the vanishing points are close. I'm thinking that it's me.

Try drawing a simple house in 2 point perspective. Just make a real
quick sketch. Draw it once with the vanishing points really close to house sketch and then draw it again with the vanishing points as far away as your paper will let you get. You will see what I mean about "tilting". Cartoonists sometimes use this for effect.

I think that my poor old eye's are playing tricks on me!:D :o :o

I'm looking forward to your next one!


11-27-2008, 07:25 PM
I began this class in Sept. 2005 and posted Lesson 1 & 2 and just could not get past Lesson 3. Since then I have tried a couple more times and just froze up at this 3rd lesson. So now I have review Lessons 1 & 2 and finally I at least have something to post for Lesson 3. Is this sufficient for this lesson and can I please move on to Lesson 4 before I spend another year in this Lesson 3 void. PLEASSSSSEEEEEEEEE.

11-27-2008, 07:30 PM
Oh dear, my precious pictures did not attach. I used the little landscape icon at the top. Do I need to do something different?

11-27-2008, 07:34 PM
Try the upload advice in my signature!:)

11-27-2008, 07:49 PM
Thanks Deirdre
I will try again.

11-27-2008, 08:11 PM
I'm not the perspective guru...but it's looking good to me!! You might have cracked it this time!! 10 out of 10 for perseverance:clap: !

Robin Neudorfer
12-06-2008, 03:34 AM
Hi Intrigued...
Looking good but do look at the right side.
Are you attempting to put the door centered on the side?
The door should be centered where the diagonals cross.

Then you can make the windows symmetrical by finding the centers of the two halves of the wall... or use the rectangle shapes on either side of the door (from the doors edges) and find the center of those rectangles, like you did on the left side.

12-06-2008, 12:40 PM
Intrigued - Looks great! Good job! Very nicely done! It's so good that you stayed with it!:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


12-15-2008, 05:25 PM
Thanks Robin and Barb. Robin I do see what you are saying and no I didn't try to center the door, I put in the windows and then just put the door between them. Now that you pointed it out, it doesn't look like it would be difficult to fix but I had already started working on Lesson 4 and wanted to finish it before I got bogged down in Lesson 3 again.
Thanks Vicki

12-18-2008, 09:57 AM
Posting my stuff after a long time. Been really busy - and lazy:(
2days ago I was like "I must get back intoit....." and started drawing whatever I could - hence the rough drawings (on the back of my campanys storyboard print outs:wink2:)
I have only 1 finished drawing right now- of the watch glass set. The others are rough planning stage drawings I wanted to share.

*this 1st one seems to have been cropped and tilted(scanning mistake).It also had the cube on which I based the monitor.


12-18-2008, 10:07 AM
The watch glass set

I had a very hardtime finding the horizon line here. I must admit that I caught this post by Deirdre (Thanks!:)) where she explained how in this case the HL will be where the bricks seems to be in a stright line although they are at 90 deg angle to each other.


12-18-2008, 10:12 AM
I still dont understand this part and how tobuild this with proper perspective.
What I did right now was with my own judgement.
My difficulty here was how to draw the objects on top of each other. Should the line nearest to us be in a straight line like I've drawn?


12-25-2008, 09:54 AM
Not even a single critique :crying:


!!!!Merry Christmas!!!! :grouphug:

Heres the tower:


Can I move onto 101-4?

12-25-2008, 02:47 PM
Merry Christmas, Amit!

Iím glad to see that you are working so hard!

In the first set of drawings, you did pretty well. (Youíve said that they were rough sketches.)
Be careful that the ďverticalsĒ that make the sides of the boxes stay straight and donít angle slightly. It tends to happen when you are sketching. The line for the back of the computer monitor tends to angle out at the bottom.

Iím not sure if the bottom of the top box in your second set of drawings with the office chair.
The horizontal lines for the top of the box and the bottom of the box should both be horizontal. The bottom angles. If you want to keep the bottom going at an angle, then, the top should angle with the top set of guidelines. Either way would be fine. The bottom box and the chair are great.

I like the ďsteepleĒ drawing. The vertical lines are angling back a little, but, as you said, itís a rough sketch.

In the final for the still life, itís very very nice. Beautiful draftsmanship!

Ok, if this is in one-point perspective, then, the vertical lines like the corner on the grandfather clock), should be vertical. The sides opposite will also be vertical. It can be confusing because with 3-point perspective the verticals will slant so that the drawing gives an impression of height. But, 3 pt. should be used for big things like buildings. Not smaller things like furniture.

I like your final drawing for the tower, but the right hand side seems lower than the left. If it tilts at all, it should be lower on the left.

You probably could move on, but, you may want to practice a bit with perspective. Donít forget to just try to identify the major perspective lines in rooms and buildings that you see everyday. One pt persperspective is really noticeable if you look at a really long hallway. Try to find the vanishing lines, the horizon line and the vanishing points. Remember to use the vanishing lines to help you find the horizon line and vanishing point. They will ďpointĒ to the vanishing line.

Great job!


12-26-2008, 06:01 AM
Hello Barb
Thanks for this :)

Iím glad to see that you are working so hard!

Working hard? :(
I wish! Just been too busy with my J.O.B. and when its not that, its my adhd which keeps me away from practice.
Quote Be careful that the ďverticalsĒ that make the sides of the boxes stay straight and donít angle slightly. It tends to happen when you are sketching. The line for the back of the computer monitor tends to angle out at the bottom.

Iím not sure if the bottom of the top box in your second set of drawings with the office chair.
The horizontal lines for the top of the box and the bottom of the box should both be horizontal. The bottom angles. If you want to keep the bottom going at an angle, then, the top should angle with the top set of guidelines.

They were draftsmanship mistakes I assure you. I knew this, but evidently made a mistake while communicating with my hand.

In the final for the still life, itís very very nice. Beautiful draftsmanship!
Thank you!


Ok, if this is in one-point perspective, then, the vertical lines like the corner on the grandfather clock), should be vertical. The sides opposite will also be vertical. It can be confusing because with 3-point perspective the verticals will slant so that the drawing gives an impression of height. But, 3 pt. should be used for big things like buildings. Not smaller things like furniture.

Iím not sure I understand this. Are you referring to the zoom in scan of the watch?
If so, sorry about the confusion. I shouldíve made my q a bit clearer.
I understand that the verticals should be straight in 1 and 2 point. What I really meant to ask is if the objects are on top of each other, will the vertical lines be diretly aligned over each other like in my drawing or will they be separate?


I like your final drawing for the tower, but the right hand side seems lower than the left. If it tilts at all, it should be lower on the left.

I donít understand this point. Could you plz give me a detailed explanation?
I wanted to do this in 3 point- but if I had done that I wouldíve have to place the vanishing points very very far apart. Hence I just drew the cubes with parallel lines.

Thanx again.
Will be parcaticing a bit more.......

Robin Neudorfer
12-26-2008, 07:21 PM
My difficulty here was how to draw the objects on top of each other. Should the line nearest to us be in a straight line like I've drawn?

All verticals will be vertical.
However just because that edge is closest to you doesn't mean that the line will be perfectly straight.

How to draw the objects on top of each other...
Consider them to be individual shapes. Draw them through. Show the back, sides and hidden lines, but draw those much lighter so you don't get confused by the lines that will be visible.

12-26-2008, 07:56 PM
All verticals will be vertical.
However just because that edge is closest to you doesn't mean that the line will be perfectly straight.

How to draw the objects on top of each other...
Consider them to be individual shapes. Draw them through. Show the back, sides and hidden lines, but draw those much lighter so you don't get confused by the lines that will be visible.

Thnx for replying back Robin....and i'm feeling so guilty again.
I havent used the right words to describe my doubt.....
you know what, I'll just make another drawing or two and hopefully be able to ask what i'm really trying to ask.......

01-12-2009, 12:18 AM
I've been looking for cubes all week in my daily sketches.


01-12-2009, 12:28 AM
Great job, Blade! :clap: :clap:

Your sketches are wonderful! I love the details!

Be careful with the perspective the sides of a couple objects are not quite at the proper angle. The farthest side should be narrower.

Still, your doing a great job! Keep up the good work!


01-14-2009, 12:11 AM
Thank you, Barb

I think perspective is the bane of any aspiring artist. That's going to take a lot of practice! ;)

01-18-2009, 12:09 AM
Here's my pippley cubes :cat: Heater is narrow on top and
wide on the bottom