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jerrydreesen
09-25-2004, 03:05 PM
A new project has been announced in the WetCanvas! project system!

Title: Asian Brush Art
Project Leader: jerrydreesen
Relative Difficulty: Irrelevant
Type Restrictions: Any Type
Medium: Any Medium
Subject: Not Applicable
Days open for signups: Always
Maximum participants allowed: Unlimited

Description:

In response to comments made by a number of members on the New Member’s Forum I decided to offer a project that would give artists an opportunity to share in the wonderous world of Zen, Chinese and/or Japanese Brush Painting.

Chinese Brush Painting is an art form that has gained a great deal of popularity in recent years. Its emphasis on simplicity appeals to many who wish to explore traditional Asian art and the philosophy that fosters it.
There are two basic styles of Chinese Brush Painting, "Gonghi" or meticulous, outline or contour painting. The other is "Xieyt" or free style. This style is more spontaneous and lends itself to various interpretations of the genre. Although Chinese and Japanese Brush painting has origins from ancient times, modern techniques and experimentation such as digital enhancement and mixed media are giving the genre new life.

Procedures and Goals:

Post your brush painting
List what tools you used:
Brushes, Paints, Paper etc.
Did you use computer enhancement?
Critique other's work and discuss your own work with other members in this project.

I’m hoping that members will share their knowledge of this art form by posting their work and giving a little C&C to those of us who are learning modern brush painting.
I am relatively new to this and want to learn as much as I can about it.

The following are a few books I have that I recommend as an introduction to Chinese Brush Painting:

1. An Introduction to Chinese Brush Painting; Pauline Cherrett (ISBN 0-7607-5847-6)
2. Chinese Painting Techniques for Exquisite Watercolors; Lian Quan Zhen
(ISBN 1-58180-00-2
3. Chinese Brush Painting, A Beginner’s Guide, Pauline Cherrett (ISBN 0-8069-5509-0)
4. The Sumi-e Dream Book, An Impressionist Approach…; Yolanda Mayhall
(ISBN 0-8230-5023-8)
5. The Sumi-e Book; Yolanda Mayhall (ISBN 0-8230-5022-X

I invite traditional and experimental works here, including all interpretations of sumi-e as well as modern impressionist brush work.

Let’s see what happens!




Additional Information:

For more information on the project: Click here! (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_details&proj_id=748)

Remember, in order to help keep the discussions on projects organized, you should post your questions, suggestions, and comments on submitted work here in this thread. By doing this, we allow other non-project efforts to not get "pushed down" by a swarm of project-related threads.

AJR
09-26-2004, 02:38 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cateyes.jpg

Just love it! And brilliant for adding in how you accomplished the finished piece of work.
Alright, you have sold the project to me! I am signing up for it!
Could you give a brief description of the different type of forms of art work, like what is the difference between Chinese brush work and the work you have published. This has me still confused.

Amanda

hlee
09-26-2004, 03:36 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cateyes.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40111)

A leisurely pose for the cat, with a paw dangling. I particularly like the thick stroke suggestive of water just beneath, the way it varies in tone as would reflections. :)

AJR
09-26-2004, 06:14 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/5712/tn_haiga-warmup2.jpg

Thank you so much for including the detail of how you went about the drawings and the problems you have found. I am learning alot from it. :D
I have a book on Chinese brush painting and have the equipment (brushes, inks,paper) but found it hard to fully understand. But the way you are explaining it helps soooooooooo much!

Thanks once again :clap:

Will be trying soon.

Amanda

Godzoned
09-26-2004, 07:29 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/5712/tn_haiga-warmup2.jpg

Hlee you continually surprise me with your art skills. Awesome!
Also love your poinsetta.

Godzoned
09-26-2004, 07:34 PM
Jerry- :wave:
You work really fast!
You've only just joined WC and working this site like a real pro!

I've always liked this style...... I'll join up and have a go.... :clap:

Oh no another addictive project :D

jerrydreesen
09-26-2004, 09:26 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/5712/tn_haiga-warmup1.jpg

hlee
Thanks for sharing this haiga (flaws and all). I appreciate your detailed explanation of your effort. The red and black color scheme is very "fifties" IMO, which, of course, I remember fondly :) I'm curious if you applied the background wash first, then overlayed the petals. You could, in this instance, because they are the same color. By applying the wash first, your petal color wouldn't be lifted but rather more saturated. In my view, the petal outlines are OK as is, but I agree, thinner, a more delicate stroke, would have been better.
I'm curious,too, about your scanning.. Since I generally only display my work on-line, I scan my work and use photoshop often to enhance the contrast, compensating for the transparency of my paints. Is that what you did?

Cheers,

Jerry

jerrydreesen
09-26-2004, 09:35 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/5712/tn_haiga-warmup2.jpg

hlee

This is more in the sumi-e tradition using black ink and hand written text.
Did you use the traditional ink stone?
I will admit I am not that familiar with the names of brushes, etc. I need to learn that.

I very much like this.. your strokes are confident and have good movement.
I agree it's a bit crowded...White space is as important than that occupied by paint. I would like to see you write your haiku in the samr direction as the painting....

Thanks for sharing..

weckster
09-26-2004, 10:33 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkSpring1.JPG

You are a bit harsh on yourself Deb!!! I think this is quite beautiful. I particularly like the (untraditional) blue with the daffodil....there must be a lot of them out in your part of the world. I seem to remember masses of daffs in Christchurch in the spring....reminds me of them.

hlee
09-26-2004, 11:10 PM
Thanks AJR and Godzoned. :)

AJR -- I'm a complete newcomer, so take any lessons with a big pinch of salt. The mistakes I made - or at least the ones I know of - are subjective. Loosely, the term subjective here is like stepping back and following every line/wash again, and feeling their weight within the composition, within the scene. Example, in the poinsetta, the outline of the petals were two dark and thick, giving it a boldness (while others could argue a lyrical quality) that would be far from a petal's softness and delicacy. Come to think of it, it's not even a poinsetta, LOL.


Thanks, Jerry, I have much to learn from you indeed. :o

(Haiga 1) You're very right about the wash. Doing the wash first would've made life easier - just watercolour common sense - except silly me didn't anticipate it until after the red blobs for leaves. I was hoping to convey water through a few brushstrokes for waves, but then saw that would've cluttered up the space even more, so washed over it instead.

As for the scanning... my scanner usually outputs a brighter image than the original, so it was just a matter of adjusting the contrast level (specifically the midtones to make the image overall darker) in the scanning program. Of course, you could do that just as easily in PS.

(Haiga 2) lol I wish... just watercolours. I'm not familiar with brushes either, but have found a squirrel mop to be surprisingly good with broad lines (as you can load it up nicely with your wash), a small rigger brush to serve well for handwriting/thin lines until I can get some half-decent sumi-e brushes. Agreed -- surrounding space is essential to giving the right impact. Shouldn't have been so greedy with the tree branches. :rolleyes:

Interesting point regarding the haiku. As you probably know already, poetry in Japanese or Chinese traditionally went vertically and read downwards and across from right to left. With English and alphabets, that's not so easy to do, hence written sideways in the two practice pieces. I suppose writing horizontally would make for easier reading, but somehow also appears to take up more space. Just a personal preference thing, I guess... unless there's a rule dictating otherwise?


By the way, more links, the first seems to be an extensive tutorial, and the second another artist's gallery, hope they may come in handy: :)


http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/9679/lesson1.html (http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/9679/lesson1.html)

http://www.perspektiv.net/sumi-e/e_sumie.htm (http://www.perspektiv.net/sumi-e/e_sumie.htm)

hlee
09-26-2004, 11:52 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkSpring1.JPG
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40131)

Bold blue strokes there -- the third stroke to the right in particular smooth with lots of pigment. A jolly good idea having the lines of haiku curve gently with stem and leaves. A little tight, but then one can only fit so much into such a small thing as a bookmark. Keep experimenting! :D

hlee
09-27-2004, 12:05 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkLeaf1.JPG
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40136)

Much improved here -- even though "improved" sounds a little pretentious, as though there's a standard to compare with. :rolleyes: Digression aside, the brushstrokes flow smoother, and taper nicely to sweeping points too. :) Interesting counterpoise to the leaf. On one hand its face seems to "look" towards the right, but the stem is like a continuation of an 'S' curve (from the stroke that defines the left edge of the leaf) and hence like the supporting body.

Good job! :clap:

Godzoned
09-27-2004, 02:59 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkLeaf1.JPG
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40136)

Much improved here -- even though "improved" sounds a little pretentious, as though there's a standard to compare with. :rolleyes: Digression aside, the brushstrokes flow smoother, and taper nicely to sweeping points too. :) Interesting counterpoise to the leaf. On one hand its face seems to "look" towards the right, but the stem is like a continuation of an 'S' curve (from the stroke that defines the left edge of the leaf) and hence like the supporting body.

Good job! :clap:

Thank you

jerrydreesen
09-27-2004, 07:28 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkSpring1.JPG

Godzone

Well, we do tend to be our own harshest critics...

Actually, I like this...neat idea, the book mark. I've done that myself.

I think your brushsrokes are well placed and I really like the text mimicking the leaves... A very good start, IMO...go get it back :)

Jerry

jerrydreesen
09-27-2004, 07:37 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkLeaf1.JPG

Debbie

This, IMO, is the essence of the Chinese Brush techique. Simple but confident brush strokes with adequate white space. Quite nice.
I like also the color blending... :)

Jerry

jerrydreesen
09-27-2004, 04:24 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cateyes.jpg

...what is the difference between Chinese brush work and the work you have published. This has me still confused.

Amanda

There are three basic styles of Chinese Brush Painting. According to Lian Quan Zhen, uthor of “Chinese Painting Techniques” 1, Detail, which is careful executed, each detail finely painted in outline and then filled in with color. 2, Spontaneous, strongly influenced by Chinese Calligraphy and poerty (haiku) and
3, A blend of both styles, usually a finely painting object, like a bird, with spontaneously painting background. Traditional Sumi-e painting is another style, considered Japanese, that uses ground black ink stone in a careful but spontaneous style.
There is, today, a renewed interest in taking Chinese Brush Painting into the 21st Century, both in Asia and the western world. Creating abstracts, mixing media, experimenting with digital processing and multimedia.
This is what I do. I enhance many of my paintings with digital textured backgrounds, adding text and even repairing or erasing unwanted strokes . I do this because most of my work is for on-line forums such as this.
There are many traditionalists working today, but the modern Brush work is here to stay/

I hope that help unconfused you… :)

I appreciate your being here, Amanda….

AJR
09-27-2004, 05:34 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/49936/tn_cat1.jpg

OMG!!!!! I can not wait! Keep going! I am going to learn soo much from this! I will be having a go myself tonight hopefully, but no laughing at the result now! :D

Amanda

AJR
09-27-2004, 05:43 PM
There are three basic styles of Chinese Brush Painting. According to Lian Quan Zhen, uthor of “Chinese Painting Techniques” 1, Detail, which is careful executed, each detail finely painted in outline and then filled in with color. 2, Spontaneous, strongly influenced by Chinese Calligraphy and poerty (haiku) and
3, A blend of both styles, usually a finely painting object, like a bird, with spontaneously painting background. Traditional Sumi-e painting is another style, considered Japanese, that uses ground black ink stone in a careful but spontaneous style.
There is, today, a renewed interest in taking Chinese Brush Painting into the 21st Century, both in Asia and the western world. Creating abstracts, mixing media, experimenting with digital processing and multimedia.
This is what I do. I enhance many of my paintings with digital textured backgrounds, adding text and even repairing or erasing unwanted strokes . I do this because most of my work is for on-line forums such as this.
There are many traditionalists working today, but the modern Brush work is here to stay/

I hope that help unconfused you… :)

I appreciate your being here, Amanda….

Thank you Jerry, now I understand! :D
I was confused with people saying Haiku, then Sumi-e, then chinese brush painting! But you have explained it perfectly for me to understand!

BUT you might need to give me a hint when I post my first one later which it is, I will have a guess but let me know if I am wrong please. :D

Amanda

jerrydreesen
09-27-2004, 06:30 PM
Thank you Jerry, now I understand! :D
I was confused with people saying Haiku, then Sumi-e, then chinese brush painting! But you have explained it perfectly for me to understand!

BUT you might need to give me a hint when I post my first one later which it is, I will have a guess but let me know if I am wrong please. :D

Amanda

Amanda

Glad I could help a little...
Glossary :cool:

haiku traditional japanese poem...minimal, suscint, three lines usually...
an action or observation two lines, an AHA moment, last line.

Haiga: a haiku printed on a painting that illustrates or suggests the meaning of the haiga. Modern Haiga can use abstract painting to symbolize meaning.

Sumi-e, Japanese ink painting using traditional ink stone and sumi-e brushes.
Creating a sumi-e painting is often times considered a spiritual, meditative act.

Calligraphy considered an art form using sumi-e techniques. There are many styles.

Cheers.

hlee
09-27-2004, 10:17 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/49936/tn_cat1.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40177)

Good use of the ten strokes. Particularly like the central three strokes, they give a hint of roundness of the shape being developed. :) Looking forward to seeing how this progresses.

raian
09-27-2004, 10:45 PM
This looks fun. I'll try to get a couple done tomorrow. I reviewed the webpages you posted and got two ideas in my mind right off the bat :)

Black Pearl
09-28-2004, 04:25 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_RedMaple1.JPG

Nice work Godzoned.
Reminds me of a beautiful old chinese blossoming tree that is outside mum and dad's raised patio.
Makes me homesick :crying: , in a nice kind of way.
BP

Maygoblin
09-28-2004, 04:37 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkBamboo1.JPG

Wow Debbie!!! :clap: This is sooo pretty. Have you thought of doing this for the atcs? They'd be traded in a flash!

Maygoblin
09-28-2004, 04:39 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cateyes.jpg

LOL, I just had to chuckle when I saw this. :D I like the way you did the cat without actually painting its entire body.

Maygoblin
09-28-2004, 04:44 AM
Hi everyone, I think you've all done a really nice job on this project. I'd love to join because I've been inspired. :D But I've never done any Chinese painting before, so I think I'll just sit back, watch and admire. I'd love to comment on every single painting I've seen because they are just amazing, honestly, but that process would take me forever, I just commented on the first and the last. :D Did you all paint with a normal paintbrush? Hmm, maybe I should follow the links at the beginning of the project first.

weckster
09-28-2004, 09:22 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkBamboo1.JPG

Oooooohhhh yes!....I can see the progress, and I love this bamboo one. I love the light colours too. The blues and greens are so relaxing.

weckster
09-28-2004, 09:23 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_RedMaple1.JPG
Yes...yes.....have to agree....this flows beautifully. Very elegant card Deb.

hlee
09-28-2004, 09:53 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_RedMaple1.JPG
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40186)

Nice work, particularly in the spreading of the foliage across the card and the way the pot is rendered in only a few sweeping strokes. :p

What do you think of varying the thickness of the brushstrokes a bit in rendering the leaves, for more variation and slight hint of depth?

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 10:24 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkBamboo1.JPG

Debbie
A really good start....I like that you dove right in....

The bamboo stroke (stem or truck) is one of the four basic stroke groups in Brush painting:
Bamboo, Wild Orchid, Chrysanthemum and Plum Branch
The names given these strokes indicate what they can be used for, although they are used to paiont for many subjects.
Below is an example of the Bamboo stroke.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2004/49936-bamboo.jpg
The stroke used for the trunk is done by pushing the brush down on the paper moving upward and lift it STRAIGHT up at the end, repeating to the top. The space between strokes becomes the joint. USinga fairlydry brush gives the texture neededfor a bamboo stroke.
The bamboo leave stroke is done with a pendulum motion, starting above the paper, swinging down and lifting it up at the end.
THis takes a lot of practice.
Hope this helps.
I'll cover the other two strokes next time.

Keep going, Debbie!!!!! :clap:

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 10:55 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_RedMaple1.JPG

Debbie
Bravo! you're jumpimng right in. I like that!

You have a good eye for composition and a good start on your brush strokes.
Below I've attempted to show you one more stroke group, the Plumb Blossom.
I admit it is not the BEST example, my brush should have been drier, but it gives you the idea. This stoke is similar to the bamboo except it is made in one long stroke, changing directions as any tree truck or limb does.
Your red maple leaves are basic bamboo leaf strokes.. Starting in the middle of the leaf or the stem end, a short lifted stroke giving each stroke a pointed tip.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Sep-2004/49936-plumbranch.jpg

Note, the tree truck is realy incomplete. It needs more detail work...bark makings,etc

keep going, Debbie!

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 11:08 AM
Hi everyone, I think you've all done a really nice job on this project. I'd love to join because I've been inspired. :D But I've never done any Chinese painting before, so I think I'll just sit back, watch and admire. I'd love to comment on every single painting I've seen because they are just amazing, honestly, but that process would take me forever, I just commented on the first and the last. :D Did you all paint with a normal paintbrush? Hmm, maybe I should follow the links at the beginning of the project first.

Maygoblin
Please join us.... Take all the time you need, don't worry about never having done the ype of painting...Many of us, including me, are neophytes...

Cheers

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 11:10 AM
This looks fun. I'll try to get a couple done tomorrow. I reviewed the webpages you posted and got two ideas in my mind right off the bat :)

Great, raian!
Looking forward to it! :wave:

Maddie M.
09-28-2004, 12:30 PM
I haven't tried the project system before, but if a newbie can figure out how to lead one, I should be able to figure out how to follow along. It looks like I've already signed up... I clicked a link expecting to get directions on how to sign up, and it's already a done deal. Looks like I'm committed now. :rolleyes:

A year or two ago I picked up a copy of Chinese Brush Painting (http://www.lucywang.com/html/books.html) by Lucy Wang. I made a few attempts with children's quality watercolors on absorbent rice paper... a total disaster. That was before I joined WetCanvas, so I'm hoping the right materials will make at least some difference.

Maygoblin, many of us are trying this for the first time. Hope you'll join us.

Finally, for anyone else who is Haiku-challenged like me, here is a "Create your own pseudo-Haiku poetry" toy:
http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/poet/haicreate.html

-- Maddie

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 01:42 PM
I haven't tried the project system before, but if a newbie can figure out how to lead one, I should be able to figure out how to follow along. It looks like I've already signed up... I clicked a link expecting to get directions on how to sign up, and it's already a done deal. Looks like I'm committed now. :rolleyes:

A year or two ago I picked up a copy of Chinese Brush Painting (http://www.lucywang.com/html/books.html) by Lucy Wang. I made a few attempts with children's quality watercolors on absorbent rice paper... a total disaster. That was before I joined WetCanvas, so I'm hoping the right materials will make at least some difference.

Maygoblin, many of us are trying this for the first time. Hope you'll join us.

Finally, for anyone else who is Haiku-challenged like me, here is a "Create your own pseudo-Haiku poetry" toy:
http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/poet/haicreate.html

-- Maddie

Welcome, Maddie

Ya, I'm a newbie,alright. in more ways than one! Flying by the seat of my pants !

Just jump right in to the fray... :)
Cheers,

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 01:49 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cat2.jpg

One added comment...I want to use fewer strokes on this...
any comments are more than welcome!!! :)

Jerry

raian
09-28-2004, 05:17 PM
I posted a couple. Not real good compared to what you guys are doing. I'm not really sure what I'm doing :) But it's fun to keep it simple but try to make it elegant... although I've failed in the later part ;) I'll try again...

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 06:03 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/47179/tn_mouse.JPG

raian
It may not be what you wanted but you definitely have the essence of Brush Painting. It's a delightful painting. I love the blend of colors, that you used the brush with a simple touch (and twist)....

You got it.

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 06:09 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/47179/tn_bottlefly.JPG

Bang! and the winner is YOU! (that's what my mentor said to me once)
Wonderful color and touch. I did whatI often do, use the sharpie pen.

Question: I appreicate the blended two tone background...Is that digitally produced? A photoshop gradient layer and texture? It works!!!

thanks for this!

raian
09-28-2004, 06:36 PM
There is no background, it's my stupid digital camera, it makes things blue. So, technically the "background" is computer produced, by accident ;)

AJR
09-28-2004, 06:44 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cat2.jpg

One added comment...I want to use fewer strokes on this...
any comments are more than welcome!!! :)

Jerry

I feel a bit silly saying this as a newbie to this form of art, but on researching how to do this art form, the majority of the guides sugguest you always start with the face first because of the importance of it. Then followed by the head and downwards. I don't know if you have tried it this way before and have found your own method, but I thought I mention it just incase it is of any use to anyone.

LOL - I am gaining all this info and can paint beautiful flowing pictures in my head, but putting it on paper with confidence is a completely different matter! :p

Amanda

AJR
09-28-2004, 06:47 PM
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I just have to say.........that is just too cute!! :D

Amanda

AJR
09-28-2004, 06:52 PM
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I think it's great.
I know what you mean Maddie (newbie here too), last night I went through sooooo many pages with practice strokes and still don't feel confident with the **** brush! :D
Together we can hold hands and feel each others frustration as we learn, - hey, would that do for a haiku, sounds good!LOL

Amanda

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 08:23 PM
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Maddie

This so very nice....Clean, simple (as in minimal), well thought out composition.

as for backruns, just be careful how loaded your brush is, if it too wet on dry paper that happens.

Well done!

Let's see more like this!

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 08:27 PM
I feel a bit silly saying this as a newbie to this form of art, but on researching how to do this art form, the majority of the guides sugguest you always start with the face first because of the importance of it. Then followed by the head and downwards. I don't know if you have tried it this way before and have found your own method, but I thought I mention it just incase it is of any use to anyone.

LOL - I am gaining all this info and can paint beautiful flowing pictures in my head, but putting it on paper with confidence is a completely different matter! :p

Amanda

I've never heard that, Amanda, but I understand the thought behind it. So much of this art is spiritual...so that makes sense. I'll try that with my next cat.

ah, visualize the brushstrokes like a tennis player visualizes his/her forehand stroke...It may help! :)

So glad you're enjoying this!

jerrydreesen
09-28-2004, 08:29 PM
There is no background, it's my stupid digital camera, it makes things blue. So, technically the "background" is computer produced, by accident ;)

well, sometimes an accident is worth two on-purposes...

can you use a flash?

raian
09-28-2004, 09:17 PM
It does have a flash, that's why it turns so blue. I think it would be better to take the pic outside in the sunshine ;) I just have a little Fuji FinePix digital camera.

Interesting tip about starting with the face first. I'll have to think on that and try a couple more tomorrow :)

Maddie M.
09-28-2004, 09:22 PM
Interesting point regarding the haiku. As you probably know already, poetry in Japanese or Chinese traditionally went vertically and read downwards and across from right to left. With English and alphabets, that's not so easy to do, hence written sideways in the two practice pieces. I suppose writing horizontally would make for easier reading, but somehow also appears to take up more space. Just a personal preference thing, I guess... unless there's a rule dictating otherwise?
Interesting question. Another option is to print vertically, I suppose. It was easy to try in Photoshop. I've attached samples of both vertical and horizontal, side by side for comparison, and I can see that vertical does look more Eastern. But it seems like too much trouble to read the words this way.


I know what you mean Maddie (newbie here too), last night I went through sooooo many pages with practice strokes and still don't feel confident with the **** brush!
Together we can hold hands and feel each others frustration as we learn, - hey, would that do for a haiku, sounds good!LOL
:D Sounds good, Amanda. Thanks to you and Jerry for the encouragement.

-- Maddie

Maddie M.
09-28-2004, 09:57 PM
:wave: Waving to Alan – Glad to see you have signed up for this project. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Have you done Asian brush painting before? Did I read somewhere that you typically work with angle brushes? This should be interesting.
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AJR -- Nice color gradation in your flowers. The variegated petals make them much more interesting than a flat wash. The centers are also well done. It’s tricky to get the brush strokes to meet while still leaving some white of the paper and room for the center detail.
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Godzoned – Great choice of colors and composition on your bamboo. You’ve made definite progress within the scope of a couple of bookmarks. I also like the way your red maple bends around to the back of your card. Bonsai is an inspired choice of subject for this project.

-- Maddie

Maddie M.
09-28-2004, 10:28 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/5712/tn_haiga-warmup2.jpg

hlee – You manage to fill the composition area like a painting, rather than having a few floating brushstrokes. You’re working small, 8.5 x 5.5”. A suggestion… If you doubled that size, you might not feel so cramped for white space. Regardless, you have an excellent suggestion of the autumn wind’s movement in the upper third of this piece.
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Jerry – Expert choice of what to portray with this cat. This one really works: it’s clever, the Issa haiku is priceless, and the cat reads as a cat even in thumbnail size. Your orange tabby’s face is more subtle and is easily overpowered by its body. There’s no mistaking this cat’s face, especially with that bold forehead stroke to direct the viewer’s eye.

You’re doing a fine job leading this project and are a good role model for other newbies. Keep it up.

-- Maddie

Maddie M.
09-28-2004, 10:57 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/37194/tn_040928-Peace_elusive.jpg

Weckster – The more I look at this, the more I see.

- A peace symbol
- A 747
- Two heads in profile
- Two mice
- A ladybug
- A person with arms raised, holding a sword.

It’s deceptively simple and totally thought-provoking.

-- Maddie

Maddie M.
09-28-2004, 11:17 PM
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Raian -- Nice job on your bottle fly. You've made a jump between your first and second attempts. The mouse is adorable, but this one tends more towards the Asian influence we're after.

I sure do agree with your comment, "This is harder than it looks!"

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Ah! So THAT is what we are supposed to be doing. :clap:

Gudrun -- Methinks you have done this before. I hope you’ll jump in here and help us struggling beginners along. You obviously know what you’re doing, and I’d love to learn from your experience.

-- Maddie

AJR
09-28-2004, 11:58 PM
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Did you read my mind? I am having a go at bamboo too!
I will post the result tomorrow and you can then give my some pointers!

What is that writing down the left hand side?

Amanda

Gudrun
09-29-2004, 02:01 AM
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Did you read my mind? I am having a go at bamboo too!
I will post the result tomorrow and you can then give my some pointers!

What is that writing down the left hand side?

Amanda


It's my name:o)...in chinese signs

weckster
09-29-2004, 03:53 AM
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This is quite beautiful Gudrun....I love the bamboo. Do you find the rice paper wrinkles easily?

weckster
09-29-2004, 03:57 AM
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Cute...despite your not thinking it turned out right. I like its sense of plumpness.

weckster
09-29-2004, 04:03 AM
Oh....dear going to have to check out progress images, as I seem to be missing hlee, maddie etc...

weckster
09-29-2004, 04:25 AM
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I DOOOO like this....some warm up!!. Hey there h! :wave:

Know what you mean about calligraphy....hard to get that in....I think your idea of on the side was good....Cheers

weckster
09-29-2004, 04:27 AM
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Weckster – The more I look at this, the more I see.

- A peace symbol
- A 747
- Two heads in profile
- Two mice
- A ladybug
- A person with arms raised, holding a sword.

It’s deceptively simple and totally thought-provoking.

-- Maddie

Wow, maddie...I didn't know I put so much in!! I can see all of those except the two heads in profile. Should be easy, but still, I can't see it!

(Not sure about the 747 as a peace symbol)

jerrydreesen
09-29-2004, 09:57 AM
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Amanda

Well done! You used a side stroke for the petals, (that is, lying the brush partly on its side) I guessing. One or two strokes? I like the delicate purple overlay on the petals.
Your slender leaves are good, using the "wild orchid" stroke...
practice the "pendulum swing" as I call it, to get the delicate tip end. You can connect two strokes the 2nd in a slightly different direction to make a bending leaf.

I applaude you for using rice paper! Remember to stretch and tape it down to reduce the wrinkles...

Good work....

jerrydreesen
09-29-2004, 10:13 AM
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weckster

Peace! THe is certainly Zen inspired! You have both the Zen symbol of enlightenment (the circle) although it's broken (bad karma :wink2:)
and the 70's peace symbol...(or was it the 60's) I slept through those two decades. I like, too the red dots. Artistic touch...nice signature, too.

Well done, weckster

jerrydreesen
09-29-2004, 10:28 AM
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Gudrun

This is an excellent example of traditional sumi-e painting. I can see you are not a novice. Your strokes and composition as well as the white space you mentioned are all well done. That you use an ink stone indicates to me your dedication to the traditional Chinese Brush Painting. Thank you for sharing this work with us.


I agree with everything you said, Sumi-e painting, the practice of it is meant to me meditative, a spiritual exercise as well as practicing one's art.
You are right also, that one can paint one stoke again and again until it becomes automatic...Hard for a westerner to wrap his/her mind around.

I hope everyone has the opportunity to see your fine work.

vasilkadifeli
09-29-2004, 10:55 AM
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Gudrun, although I have no idea of Chinesse brush painting, just those paintings I have seen in some books, I want to say that this is probably a very good and representative one... well done :clap:...

AJR
09-29-2004, 02:53 PM
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Amanda

Well done! You used a side stroke for the petals, (that is, lying the brush partly on its side) I guessing. One or two strokes? I like the delicate purple overlay on the petals.
Your slender leaves are good, using the "wild orchid" stroke...
practice the "pendulum swing" as I call it, to get the delicate tip end. You can connect two strokes the 2nd in a slightly different direction to make a bending leaf.

I applaude you for using rice paper! Remember to stretch and tape it down to reduce the wrinkles...

Good work....


Confession time :( :(
I used a pointed wolf hair brush that I got as part of a Chinese brush painting kit my dad gave me years ago and never used or opened! This allowed me to use one stroke for the leaves but I like the idea of a second stroke to bend the leaves. I will try it. :D
Also I find when I try the pendulum swing technique, this is where I end up too soft and sometimes don't even get any paint on the paper!LOL. Just need to build confidence!

Second BIG confession :( :(
The paper used.........I do have rice paper but have not even unpacked it yet because I do not want to waste it until I learn the skill. The paper I used was a very cheap 70msg sketch paper! But if it looks like rice paper great!! (Oh I am so cheap!!)

The second lay of purple on the petals came about by putting the paint on the wolf hair brush and then rolling the whole brush (flat on it's side) around to make a petal, (this helped created the petal edges). With the bulk of the paint being on the tip of the brush, this created the darker layer of purple - so each petal was done with a single brush stroke!

The small amounts of black ink in the centre of each petal didn't come out right because I probably didn't grind sufficient ink with the water. :rolleyes:

I should have put all this with the picture!Oops

Amanda, about to have another go.

jerrydreesen
09-29-2004, 03:38 PM
Confession time :( :(
I used a pointed wolf hair brush that I got as part of a Chinese brush painting kit my dad gave me years ago and never used or opened! This allowed me to use one stroke for the leaves but I like the idea of a second stroke to bend the leaves. I will try it. :D
Also I find when I try the pendulum swing technique, this is where I end up too soft and sometimes don't even get any paint on the paper!LOL. Just need to build confidence!

Second BIG confession :( :(
The paper used.........I do have rice paper but have not even unpacked it yet because I do not want to waste it until I learn the skill. The paper I used was a very cheap 70msg sketch paper! But if it looks like rice paper great!! (Oh I am so cheap!!)

The second lay of purple on the petals came about by putting the paint on the wolf hair brush and then rolling the whole brush (flat on it's side) around to make a petal, (this helped created the petal edges). With the bulk of the paint being on the tip of the brush, this created the darker layer of purple - so each petal was done with a single brush stroke!

The small amounts of black ink in the centre of each petal didn't come out right because I probably didn't grind sufficient ink with the water. :rolleyes:

I should have put all this with the picture!Oops

Amanda, about to have another go.

Amanda
First of all, you did good! Your rollign technique works! I suppose the purists would wnat you flogged or something, butI say do what works...its the end result that matters.
If I understand you...you tipped your brush with the darker purple while the body of the brush was the lighter violet. Perfect!

I have often used sketch paper. I've never used rice paper so I'm not sure of the comparison. Just remember to stretch and tape it down.

And you grind your own black........I'm impressed!

Your doing everything right, Amanda...just keep practicing and go on the web and look at every thing Asian!

Cheers

weckster
09-29-2004, 03:45 PM
Peace! THe is certainly Zen inspired! You have both the Zen symbol of enlightenment (the circle) although it's broken (bad karma :wink2:)
Oooopppss. :eek: ...didn't know about the broken circle!....have to join it up next time. Thanks, jerry - it's a lovely project....I am madly trying to format things in my head....its very difficult, but I bought a book on Chinese painting yesterday, so I'll have to read up and start learning.

jerrydreesen
09-29-2004, 04:21 PM
Oooopppss. :eek: ...didn't know about the broken circle!....have to join it up next time. Thanks, jerry - it's a lovely project....I am madly trying to format things in my head....its very difficult, but I bought a book on Chinese painting yesterday, so I'll have to read up and start learning.

Now THAT excites me...that you and perhaps others have taken such as interest that you buy instruction books...that's great!

Thanks for that! :clap:

jerrydreesen
09-29-2004, 04:25 PM
I've posted a better yellow cat ...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2004/49936-yellow_cat.jpg

Tell me what you think!

Jerry

weckster
09-29-2004, 04:47 PM
I've posted a better yellow cat ...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2004/49936-yellow_cat.jpg

Tell me what you think!

Jerry
Wonderful!!! I see what you mean by wanting fewer lines.

This looks like a little kitten, about to jump on a woollen ball.

Hope I can attain the simplicity you achieve, Jerry.

jerrydreesen
09-29-2004, 06:11 PM
Great Blue Heron

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2004/49936-heronwc.jpg

I mopped(my term) the color on the paper. The face is the identifying element.

Godzoned
09-29-2004, 07:49 PM
Hi all
found some websites that maybe useful...

For galleries of chinese brush painting click here (http://www.the-gallery-of-china.com/) - gallery list to your left

three pages of awesome chinese brush painting (http://darlenekaplan.com/Paintings1.html)

FREE online art lesson in Chinese brush painting techniques! (http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/9679/lesson1.html)

Thought you maybe interested. I'm going to use these sites for help and inspiriation. :clap: :wave:

Godzoned
09-29-2004, 07:58 PM
Debbie
Bravo! you're jumpimng right in. I like that!

You have a good eye for composition and a good start on your brush strokes.
Below I've attempted to show you one more stroke group, the Plumb Blossom.
I admit it is not the BEST example, my brush should have been drier, but it gives you the idea. This stoke is similar to the bamboo except it is made in one long stroke, changing directions as any tree truck or limb does.
Your red maple leaves are basic bamboo leaf strokes.. Starting in the middle of the leaf or the stem end, a short lifted stroke giving each stroke a pointed tip.

Note, the tree truck is realy incomplete. It needs more detail work...bark makings,etc

keep going, Debbie!

Thank you so much for your encouragement. :D
And that is also ment for everyone that has commented on my art in this project. I like the free feeling of this type of art and the simplicity of it. :wave:

Godzoned
09-29-2004, 08:00 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Sep-2004/49936-yellow_cat.jpg


WOW awesome. Simple and yet so mischievious. (ugggh my spelling is so bad!)

:clap:

Godzoned
09-29-2004, 08:02 PM
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I like this. It would make a great illustration for a childrens book.

Godzoned
09-29-2004, 08:04 PM
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simple. Beautiful

Maddie M.
10-01-2004, 08:39 AM
Well... When I signed up for this project, I was hoping my prior brush painting failures were due to the wrong materials. But after stacks of practice sheets, I've sort of determined that I just don't have an aptitude for this style. I can see brush paintings in my head, but I don't have the technique to translate them to paper. Maybe I'll come back to it again later. Even so, I have enjoyed the process of trying it and seeing what others are achieving. It was fun to research and attempt writing a haiku, too.

Debbie, I agree with you about that second link you posted. "Awesome" is the word, all right. And thanks for your comment on my card. :)

-- Maddie

jerrydreesen
10-01-2004, 10:56 AM
Well... When I signed up for this project, I was hoping my prior brush painting failures were due to the wrong materials. But after stacks of practice sheets, I've sort of determined that I just don't have an aptitude for this style. I can see brush paintings in my head, but I don't have the technique to translate them to paper. Maybe I'll come back to it again later. Even so, I have enjoyed the process of trying it and seeing what others are achieving. It was fun to research and attempt writing a haiku, too.

Debbie, I agree with you about that second link you posted. "Awesome" is the word, all right. And thanks for your comment on my card. :)

-- Maddie
Maddie

Thanks for giving it a try, Maddie. Please pop in when ever the spirit moves you.

Jerry

AJR
10-01-2004, 12:56 PM
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Love the simplicity of the work, giving enough detail that we know what it is and yet leaving enough out that our mind adds the rest in (if that makes sense?).

Amanda

jerrydreesen
10-01-2004, 01:20 PM
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Love the simplicity of the work, giving enough detail that we know what it is and yet leaving enough out that our mind adds the rest in (if that makes sense?).

Amanda

Thank you, Amanda

It is "in the style of" artist Dai Ying, a modern Chinese Brush Artist. :)

Godzoned
10-01-2004, 03:53 PM
It does have a flash, that's why it turns so blue. I think it would be better to take the pic outside in the sunshine ;) I just have a little Fuji FinePix digital camera.

Interesting tip about starting with the face first. I'll have to think on that and try a couple more tomorrow :)

Hmm that sounds weird. I have a fuji finepix digital camera too. Its a S304 model and its fine with the flash.

Godzoned
10-01-2004, 04:40 PM
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This has the freedom of chinese painting but I agree on the bamboo stems.... they need to be thicker. Use a bigger brush perhaps?

The leaves are fantastic. I'm sure they will look like bamboo leaves accompanied with thicker stems. :)

jerrydreesen
10-01-2004, 06:46 PM
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This has the freedom of chinese painting but I agree on the bamboo stems.... they need to be thicker. Use a bigger brush perhaps?

The leaves are fantastic. I'm sure they will look like bamboo leaves accompanied with thicker stems. :)

Amanda

Yes, definitely the trucks need to be wider...I suggest you look on the web for examples...the leaves are too curly...I think you'll find bamboo leaves are as narrow as you have made them, nit they are straight, perhaps curved in some cases, but not curly.

Keep trying...you're very close... You have the touch

hlee
10-01-2004, 09:20 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/37194/tn_040928-Peace_elusive.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40189)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_yellow_cat.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40233)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/47179/tn_mouse.JPG
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40200)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_bambootry.jpg


(from left to right)

weckster:
This is probably one of my favourites so far. The brushstrokes are few but sufficiently assertive on the white surface. Simple, and probably with much symbolism too. Great job. :clap: :clap:

jerrydreesen:
Nice downward, slightly curved flow to the cat's form. :) Maybe slightly smoother strokes for the dark tail lines would give the piece more cohesiveness, as the whiskers were done in smooth, fine strokes.

raian:
Interesting style, the beige/peach colour blended softly with the grey. Kind of lyrical, actually. :) Reminds me slightly of work by a Chinese illustrator (http://shop.store.yahoo.net/ahchung/osmyzeyy-a-nhhg.html).

AJR:
Godzoned and Jerry have already made observant points regarding the resemblance to the traditional Chinese rendering of bamboo, so I'd have little to add to their expert advice. However, may I humbly suggest actually looking at bamboo (photo or live specimen) and drift off from there? One may find, for example, that bamboo stems are usually straight and many seldom branch out as say a plum tree would. They do, however, often sprout shoots at the joints.

Nonetheless, some lovely fine lines, and good use of space to define and emphasise the stems and leaves. :)


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Maddie -- Thanks. :) Good point there. I really shouldn't have "filled it up". It started with only a few branches, but had problems uniting them with the lower half of the composition, hence the mess.

AJR
10-01-2004, 09:56 PM
Thanks for all the advice everyone, I have taken it onboard and will try try again! This will be conquered....... or die trying too LOL!! :D

Question, the little seals you lot have, are they bought ones? Are there any 'rules' regarding them because the one I used is one I made from a rubber! :eek:

Amanda

AJR
10-01-2004, 09:59 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cat4.jpg

You have really got cats down to an art! It is amazing watching how you start with the 10 strokes in total and worked the number of strokes down and been able to retain the figure of the cat.
By the way Jerry, you dn't happen to be a cat lover by any chance?! :D

Amanda

jerrydreesen
10-02-2004, 05:12 AM
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You have really got cats down to an art! It is amazing watching how you start with the 10 strokes in total and worked the number of strokes down and been able to retain the figure of the cat.
By the way Jerry, you dn't happen to be a cat lover by any chance?! :D

Amanda

Thank you, Amanda...

I'm a lover of one cat at least :) Gibby, my 6 yr old tabby.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Oct-2004/49936-gibby_in_sunny_spot.jpg

Cheers!

AJR
10-02-2004, 08:45 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/5712/tn_luna2.jpg

Wow, she's lovely! :clap:
I didn't notice the eyes or the jaw problem because I was drawn to the beautiful hair! I agree, Mixing the ink is a right pain and every time I go to dip the brush in it for the next stroke, some little goblin has added more water I am sure! :D

Please post more!

Amanda

AJR
10-02-2004, 08:47 PM
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Love the brush work!

Amanda

AJR
10-02-2004, 08:56 PM
OK, I warned you I would keep trying, hence the 2nd and 3rd attempt at the bamboo! I think I might be getting there very slowly.. :(
Maybe I should move onto something else - never did enjoy plants! :mad:

Comments, advice, ideas or just throw me out!

Amanda

hlee
10-02-2004, 09:21 PM
Thanks Amanda! :D Yeah, the goblin is even more mischievous when you use watercolours, lol.

Don't give in though! You're definitely getting the hang of it, so keep them coming! Maybe practise the Four Gentlemen some more, refer to how-to books for examples on how they are applied, and try incorporating a variety of brushstrokes - broad, thin, long, short, etc.- in your work? ;)

jerrydreesen
10-02-2004, 10:19 PM
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I applaude you for this wonderful attempt... I agree...this is not sumi-e, but ukiyo-e "painting of the floating world" I think it means, used in theater posters and advertising during the reign of the shoguns.

I applaude, too, your use of rice paper...I've never used it because I'm a coward! Even with the problem eye and chin, you are to be commended.
The hair, btw, is terrific...well done!

jerrydreesen
10-02-2004, 10:22 PM
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You're painting outside the box, as it were! More Picasso than Chinese, but could fit in the contemporary Brush Painting scene. I like what you're doing!

hlee
10-02-2004, 10:59 PM
Thanks Jerry. :o I must say, your cats are quite playful and light too! :clap:

Guess I'm a coward too -- finding it too difficult to bring innovation to the more traditional motifs, and so, as you rightly surmised, turned to one or two modern Eastern brush paintings instead. A Jean-Paul Riopelle painting was also interesting food for thought. :)

Godzoned
10-03-2004, 06:32 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_firstgo1.JPG

My first painting in my bamboo study (copy masters) series.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_thirdgo1.JPG

my third painting in my bamboo study (copy masters) series.

All information on what techniques I've used to do these are included in the description of these pictures.

Godzoned
10-03-2004, 06:35 PM
Regarding these entries

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_bamboo2.jpg

Looking good!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_bamboo3.jpg

I like the texture on the bamboo stalks in this :clap:

hlee
10-03-2004, 07:03 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_thirdgo1.JPG
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40337)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_firstgo1.JPG
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40335)

I like the use of space in the first, and the variation in tones amongst the leaves in the second. They're definitely coming along nicely! :)

I pushed the brush down twisted then stroked up the page to get the bamboo stalk look and tryed the pendulum swing for the leaves.

You know... it's really not necessary to "twist" the brush, per se... just start and pull across a little horizontally before the working upwards and lifting off towards the end. You might find it easier to do this with the paper slightly tilted at first. Going to see if I can illustrate what I mean...

hlee
10-03-2004, 07:41 PM
OK, here's a rough mock-up:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2004/5712-stroke_sample.jpg

Of course, there's no right or wrong way of doing this. I'm just a beginner, with no clue about the various methods being taught by tutorials/how-tos, so I'm just sharing an interpretation. If this helps anyone at all, yay. Just as long as everyone finds a system that works for them. :)

Godzoned
10-04-2004, 03:12 AM
Of course, there's no right or wrong way of doing this. I'm just a beginner, with no clue about the various methods being taught by tutorials/how-tos, so I'm just sharing an interpretation. If this helps anyone at all, yay. Just as long as everyone finds a system that works for them. :)

Thanks for the pict. This may help :wave:
They were only copies of the masters. I had fun giving it a go. Maybe I'll try horses next. :D

AJR
10-04-2004, 06:03 AM
Regarding these entries

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_bamboo2.jpg

Looking good!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_bamboo3.jpg

I like the texture on the bamboo stalks in this :clap:

Thanks Debs, I did feel a bit of a cheat on the second bamboo because I used several strokes for the stem, but heck, I am learning! LOL

Amanda

AJR
10-04-2004, 06:11 AM
OK, here's a rough mock-up:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2004/5712-stroke_sample.jpg

Of course, there's no right or wrong way of doing this. I'm just a beginner, with no clue about the various methods being taught by tutorials/how-tos, so I'm just sharing an interpretation. If this helps anyone at all, yay. Just as long as everyone finds a system that works for them. :)


Thanks for this! You should see my practice sheets similar to this one! If the stroke doesn't look shakey, then I have been too apprehensive and light and the stroke vanishes in the middle! I suppose the more I do, the more confident I will get. I think what scares me is the idea that a single stroke is so important in the making of the whole picture, like with Jerry's drawings.

At least I can now try to get strokes similar towards your example. I do have a book that tells you how to do the strokes but it doesn't explain or show you how properly (or aleast to a level that I can do!).

Amanda

AJR
10-04-2004, 06:17 AM
Thanks for the pict. This may help :wave:
They were only copies of the masters. I had fun giving it a go. Maybe I'll try horses next. :D

LOL. That is what I am trying at the moment...horses! I thought instead of plants for now (which I struggle with in any medium), to try something that I know how to do in other mediums with my eyes closed!
Still scared though, how to convey the strength of the muscles, the fluidity of the horse is so few a brush strokes!
Oh well, I will have to bite the bullet and go for it........although...I have just found an old photograph of mine of two geese and their young-looks easy at a glance, but wait until I pick the brush up!!!

Amanda

weckster
10-04-2004, 06:33 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_bamboo2.jpg

Amanda ....ATTEMPT? This is beautiful!!

hlee
10-04-2004, 02:09 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_bamboo2.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40330)

I agree with Godzoned... this is great! :clap: Slender lines springing out of the joints, and the leaves are nicely shaped. The varying ink tones convey some sense of depth. :) Also interesting how the bamboo stem has been textured.

Thanks for this! You should see my practice sheets similar to this one! If the stroke doesn't look shakey, then I have been too apprehensive and light and the stroke vanishes in the middle! I suppose the more I do, the more confident I will get.

Just happy to help. :o -nods- Just keep practising the strokes until you develop your own way of doing it that you're satisfied with... you're getting there, if not there already! :D After all, it's really more about interpretation/personal style than pure imitation.

Some people might find it easier to work with an Asian calligraphy or paintbrush, as it's softer, more sensitive to pressure and the "twisting". I got myself a cheap one last week and it works suprisingly well for the price (under 3 USD.) It's even easier to control than the squirrel hair brush I'd been using for thick strokes, so I'll recommend getting one/a set and trying them out. :)

flawless_bone
10-04-2004, 02:37 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/47179/tn_mouse.JPG

Nice character! The thumbnail made me smile and the closeup want to kiss it. A naughty little cuddle animal come to life at night. cute!

flawless_bone
10-04-2004, 02:39 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cat4.jpg

Beautiful! Love your color choice!

flawless_bone
10-04-2004, 02:42 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cateyes.jpg

I like this too! Great stuff in this project! But would the fish really care about the cat? :cat:

ptantono
10-05-2004, 02:06 AM
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Jerry, I love your simplicity works.

jerrydreesen
10-05-2004, 11:19 AM
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Jerry, I love your simplicity works.

Thank you, Patricia...

I'm glad you like it :)

Jerry

jerrydreesen
10-05-2004, 11:26 AM
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Debbie

I like your leaves, the strokes are much better.

I really think you show practice making the bamboo truck with a stop pressure, pushing the brush down and stopping to make the joints. That;s the true technique. You can accent the joint later, but try to perfect the interrupt stroke . If you load the side or sides of teh brush with a darker paint you'll get the two tone effect in one stroke...The otehr way looks too stiff and not as natural.

Practice, Practice, Practice!!!

Jerry

jerrydreesen
10-05-2004, 11:29 AM
OK, here's a rough mock-up:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Oct-2004/5712-stroke_sample.jpg

Of course, there's no right or wrong way of doing this. I'm just a beginner, with no clue about the various methods being taught by tutorials/how-tos, so I'm just sharing an interpretation. If this helps anyone at all, yay. Just as long as everyone finds a system that works for them. :)

Very good diagram! Thanks for this!
I'm sooo impressed and pleased that so many people are so helpful.

You're a good group! :clap:

Jerry

jerrydreesen
10-05-2004, 11:33 AM
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Amanda

This is very good... You're getting the hang of it for sure.

My suggestion is, for bamboo, make the leaved a little narrower.

Bravo...

Jerry

jerrydreesen
10-05-2004, 11:35 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cateyes.jpg

I like this too! Great stuff in this project! But would the fish really care about the cat? :cat:

Thanks, flawless! Not sure about the fish....you'd have to ask Issa! :p

weckster
10-05-2004, 04:02 PM
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OOOOOO......talk about simplifying to make something..this is beautiful. I do like the way you have altered the direction of the lines for this.

weckster
10-05-2004, 04:05 PM
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I haven't seen the original....I like the depth of shading, and the red berries.

vasilkadifeli
10-06-2004, 12:31 AM
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I like this one Debbie... well done :clap:... it's only this curling line that bothers me, but the rest is wonderful... liked how the bamboo leaves are fading to create depth... and those red colored blooms/berries (?) are so attractive...

jerrydreesen
10-06-2004, 11:44 AM
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Good, Debbie

I like the juxtaposition of leaves, teh lighter in the bg and darker in FG..

The red berries are a nice touch...

jerrydreesen
10-06-2004, 11:45 AM
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OOOOOO......talk about simplifying to make something..this is beautiful. I do like the way you have altered the direction of the lines for this.

thank you, Erica

My tabby, Gibby, is a good model! :wink2:

Jerry

AJR
10-07-2004, 11:26 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/3559/tn_Hills.jpg

Love the sense of atmosphere and nature that you have managed to get into the painting!

Amanda

AJR
10-07-2004, 11:28 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/5712/tn_luna3.jpg

LOL! I can see a person walking along, one foot up in the air with a clog/shoe on! Am I supposed to see a person?

Amanda

jerrydreesen
10-07-2004, 01:00 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/3559/tn_Hills.jpg

WOW! We have a winner!!!
ptantono, this is fine work!
one of the best I've seen...

You must tell us how you accomplished such delicate work...and the water..

Bravo..!!!!!

Jerry

jerrydreesen
10-07-2004, 01:06 PM
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hlee
My goodness, this is very good. In the style of shodo, proving calligraphy is art itself... this with the strong voice of hlee

Well done

Godzoned
10-07-2004, 07:02 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/3559/tn_Hills.jpg

ohhhh ahhhhh!
So restful!

Godzoned
10-07-2004, 07:05 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_sparrowleaving.jpg

Love the red!
This is a very good piece.
lonely yet warm. :clap:

hlee
10-07-2004, 07:15 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/3559/tn_Hills.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40380)

Lovely... particularly like the use of mist to variate the detailed landscape and provide a bit of space for impact. The foreground links well with the background, to which the mist also gives the scene a feeling of depth. Something I found also interesting was the choice of looser linework applied to the winding path or gently sloping cliff (?) given the rest of the landscape is done with meticulous brushwork.

Well done! :clap: :clap:

hlee
10-07-2004, 07:27 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_sparrowleaving.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40442)

The vertical emphasis seems particularly appropriate here, the branches similarly stretch downward with a few wisps of leaves. This echoes the motif of oncoming winter that is also clearly expressed in the verse. Kind of touching, actually. :)

Good one! :p

jerrydreesen
10-07-2004, 08:12 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_sparrowleaving.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40442)

The vertical emphasis seems particularly appropriate here, the branches similarly stretch downward with a few wisps of leaves. This echoes the motif of oncoming winter that is also clearly expressed in the verse. Kind of touching, actually. :)

Good one! :p

hlee
you are probably already aware...if so, forgive me..this combination of art and haiku is called haiga...Modern English haiga is based on an ancient Asian expression of poetry and art using watercolor art as well as sumi-e technikues and calligraphy.

Cheers

hlee
10-07-2004, 10:23 PM
hlee
you are probably already aware...if so, forgive me..this combination of art and haiku is called haiga...Modern English haiga is based on an ancient Asian expression of poetry and art using watercolor art as well as sumi-e technikues and calligraphy.

Cheers

Ooh, thanks, Jerry! I learned something today. ;)

Actually, I don't think it's easy for the art to accompany the haiku without being wholly repetitive or irrelevant. Which was why I felt a distinction between visual and verse was necessary. There it is probably safe to say that the art and verse combine to offer the viewer an idea/a mix of emotions, without the art merely re-stating for the most part (in which case one might as well do without it.)

The verse adds a touch of the personal, a lyrical line in the form of a question; the visual of the small, solitary swallow on a semi-bare branch enhances - if not completes - the verse's suggestion of loneliness and onset of winter.

In short, the haiga was very successful. :D

hlee
10-07-2004, 10:35 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40378

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/5712/tn_luna3.jpg

LOL! I can see a person walking along, one foot up in the air with a clog/shoe on! Am I supposed to see a person?

Amanda


LOL... good for you! :D Didn't see it coming myself. Guess whatever you "see", you bring away with you. ;)


Thanks again Jerry! :o

AJR
10-08-2004, 11:32 AM
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This is beautiful! This is what I want to be able to do, it is not fair! :D

Amanda

jerrydreesen
10-08-2004, 11:45 AM
Ooh, thanks, Jerry! I learned something today. ;)

Actually, I don't think it's easy for the art to accompany the haiku without being wholly repetitive or irrelevant. Which was why I felt a distinction between visual and verse was necessary. There it is probably safe to say that the art and verse combine to offer the viewer an idea/a mix of emotions, without the art merely re-stating for the most part (in which case one might as well do without it.)

I agree with you, hlee, The effective haiga is one that eludes to the haiku, it's meaning rather than a direct illustration.
Many of my most successful haiga, IMO, are the abstracts that allow the reader to connect the dots...

Cheers...keep 'em coming!

jerrydreesen
10-08-2004, 11:49 AM
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This is beautiful! This is what I want to be able to do, it is not fair! :D

Amanda

Sure it is! :cat: You have the talent, Amanda....keep at it!... :clap:
You're doing very well!!!

weckster
10-08-2004, 05:31 PM
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Magic! Have you used outline pens with the red ink or is that brush work too???

I don't think cheating counts if you turn out something so beautiful! I'm scared to do more as my calligraphy is so dreadful. I'm trying to practice!

weckster
10-08-2004, 05:33 PM
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You could put this in the "Fog" project too! This attracted my eye with its sweeping brush strokes for the moutains. I didn't see the detail till I opened the large version. Fantastic

weckster
10-11-2004, 03:37 PM
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Sweeping hair...mmmm...lovely picture. I think I see the bits that you feel didn't work. ....Personally I think it's wonderful! Was this on rice paper....is this why you had problems with ink viscosity, or was it the ink??

hlee
10-11-2004, 04:54 PM
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Sweeping hair...mmmm...lovely picture. I think I see the bits that you feel didn't work. ....Personally I think it's wonderful! Was this on rice paper....is this why you had problems with ink viscosity, or was it the ink??


Thanks a lot, weckster :) ... yes, it was on rice paper. Well, the problem was really more a combo of the size, paper and watercolour viscosity (I only used nib pen/ink for the writing.) If the wc is too watery, obviously it'll bleed like crazy on the parchment-like rice paper... which is so not a good thing when you're trying to get some details in an area the size of a business card! :p

jerrydreesen
10-12-2004, 12:51 AM
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Magic! Have you used outline pens with the red ink or is that brush work too???

I don't think cheating counts if you turn out something so beautiful! I'm scared to do more as my calligraphy is so dreadful. I'm trying to practice!

weckster

Thanks for your kind words... I feel less guilty!
I use an outline pen here...Pigma, Micron 02, #1 archival ink
Your not alone....my calligraphy is bad, that's why I use digital fonts on m haiga.

Cheers...

Godzoned
10-12-2004, 03:16 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_tiger.jpg

Nice colours!
The tiger has a serene look on his face. (me thinks any way)

Well done.

AJR
10-12-2004, 02:50 PM
Thanks Debbie. I am contemplating whether to try the tiger or plants again or try something different to see if I can find something that likes me!

Amanda


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Nice colours!
The tiger has a serene look on his face. (me thinks any way)

Well done.

hlee
10-12-2004, 09:57 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_tiger.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40455)

At first glance the tiger's head seemed a little large in proportion to the rest of the body, but that's possibly an illusion from the water. :confused:

Nice variation to the fur colour though -- predominantly orange to catch the eye, but with some browns as well to give the body more volume. Also, interesting way of toning the rocks in the background, with a touch of alazarin crimson or pale red for a softer, more expressive feel.

Good work! :)

ptantono
10-13-2004, 01:20 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/3559/tn_Hills.jpg

WOW! We have a winner!!!
ptantono, this is fine work!
one of the best I've seen...

You must tell us how you accomplished such delicate work...and the water..

Bravo..!!!!!

Jerry

Thanks Jerry and thanks all for giving nice comments on work. In Chinese Brush painting, we usually start from the subject further away or from far to close, so I start the with the fog first, wet on wet. It is difficult to explain but after several trial and errors, everybody should be able to do it.
The moutain is done with dry brush stroke. I am not a winner, I see many more interesting works than mine in this project. :)

jerrydreesen
10-13-2004, 03:31 PM
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Amanda

Nice work....Ilike the dual technique of half detail and half spontaneous that you came close to creating. I think I would have gone frther with teh detail on the tiger, using the pen to outline the body and the stripes...
leaving the background in the loose, casual style...

all in all a good effort....I gotta be proud of that... :)

AJR
10-14-2004, 02:42 PM
Oh you lot, I might get too confident at this rate. :o
I am currently agruing with a piece of work for another project but tonight I will gain victory or aleast a truce! So tomorrow it will be Chinese brush time!!!!!!!!!!

Amanda, still determined to conquer this skill

AJR
10-16-2004, 02:13 PM
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He's great! You can tell what he is. I would have probably put a bit more detail in the eye (eye lids, if you know what I mean) - LOL listen to me giving advice! Great job

Amanda

Godzoned
10-16-2004, 03:52 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_rooster.jpg

love the simplicity in your work! Minimilistic! Must get on to doing some more.....and come cards for Christmas card project.... and some more ATC's... and some more bugs for bug project..... and some paintings for my friends..... hmmmm I maybe over committing.... Art Addict lol :D

jerrydreesen
10-16-2004, 04:41 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_rooster.jpg

love the simplicity in your work! Minimilistic! Must get on to doing some more.....and come cards for Christmas card project.... and some more ATC's... and some more bugs for bug project..... and some paintings for my friends..... hmmmm I maybe over committing.... Art Addict lol :D

Thanks!!!
I know what you mean! I just committed to the December swap on top of all the other stuff!

Cheers

jerrydreesen
10-16-2004, 04:43 PM
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He's great! You can tell what he is. I would have probably put a bit more detail in the eye (eye lids, if you know what I mean) - LOL listen to me giving advice! Great job

Amanda

Thanks, Amanda..Hey...I'll take all the advice I can get! :p

weckster
10-17-2004, 05:51 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_tiger.jpg

Great picture AJ, it's very striking (and I admire the way you can work on that type of paper!)....I like the watercolour effects on the rocks, but the painting doesn't really need that extra colour - could have done with just the oranges, blues and blacks.

AJR
10-18-2004, 01:00 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_tiger.jpg

Great picture AJ, it's very striking (and I admire the way you can work on that type of paper!)....I like the watercolour effects on the rocks, but the painting doesn't really need that extra colour - could have done with just the oranges, blues and blacks.

Thanks Erica, I know what you mean. I stuggle with not putting too much in and getting greedy with colours! LOL.
I have another tiger in mind (when I get the time) and will try to use only the orange, blue and black - that will be hard!!

Amanda

hlee
10-20-2004, 10:39 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_rooster.jpg
(http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=40741)

Nice idea of layering some strokes on top of one another, managing to work with varying shades of red/orange while arranging the strokes to create interest in the composition. Juxtaposition of thick brushstrokes with thin outlines worked out well too. :)

jerrydreesen
10-22-2004, 02:59 PM
thanks, hlee

I made a haiga with this, too
It's on my website...

Thanks...

Jerry

weckster
10-22-2004, 04:26 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/36282/tn_Bamboo.jpg

Gee....I'd be pleased with this two. It's a wonderful picture. Funny, isn't it, about the copying masters. It used to be the way to learn in Western Art too....go to the galleries and sit, or apprentice and copy. But there is so much to learn from others that copying can be very useful.

jerrydreesen
10-22-2004, 09:43 PM
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Inga...

Very well done. It's obvious you've taken lessons and practiced your craft.

Your brush strokes are near perfect...

Copying the masters is a learning tool that is important and, IMO, highly recommended. In the art of sumi-e , one's own style is less important than learning and bein g able to apply the rules of the art.
Your own "style" will develop over time within the parameters of the craft.
Keep copying, keep practicing....get that Zen feeling... :)

Jerry

jerrydreesen
10-26-2004, 01:35 PM
Hi, all

It appears ouir project has slowed down to a few brush strokes! :eek:

I'm wondering if, since the holidays are coming and everyone has other things to do, if we should close this project while we're still in a positive mode.

I want to thank everyone who participated in this forum for being so
generous with your time and your willingness to share your talents and your energy in this exciting genre of Chinese Brush Painting.
I have learned a lot and met some great people at the same time.

Let me know here or by PM how you feel about ending the project.

I'll wait until next Monday, November 1st, to decide whether or not to close it.

I think you're all terrific!!!!

Thanks!

Godzoned
10-26-2004, 03:56 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/36282/tn_Bamboo.jpg

Ohhh very nice!
I'm copying from the old masters too. From a book. I did most of my bamboo paintings from them. I really should do some horses now.

Sorry for the lack of participation Jerry. I have been busy painting for a gallery, and friends. Wetcanvas will have to wait a bit - this site doesn't generate money like the gallery does. :D but I am still here...... Commenting away to have a rest from painting.

Godzoned
10-26-2004, 03:59 PM
Jerry please don't close this project.

I am going to do some more.... I am, I am..... :D

hlee
10-29-2004, 11:29 PM
Agree with Godzoned -- it would be nice to leave the project open as most people are just busy at this time. Other people can then add to the project as well, building it up to a little knowledge and experiment base. There's bound to be a few avid Asian brush art inspired individuals who'd be interested in sharing their creations in the long run. :)

weckster
10-31-2004, 12:52 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_heronwc.jpg


How is it that I've missed this one? Silly eh?

Beautiful composition jerry - I've just been studying some herons for the ATC project, and thought they'd make great brush art subjects - just goes to show how it's done!

weckster
10-31-2004, 12:55 AM
Oh....don't close it. Jerry! It's OK slow. I pop in and keep an eye and I've been reading up!! Doing homework and trying to get my head into the right space.

Godzoned
10-31-2004, 02:48 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_red_koi.jpg

Nicely done!
So pouring watercolour is literally pouring it from the pallette?
I like it anyway.

Godzoned
10-31-2004, 05:16 PM
I have posted up 7 - yes 7 master studies.

Put the original on the right and my version on the left. I've mucked up in places but enjoyed the excersize.

I have also found some brown and black drawing ink in my art stash so used them. :clap:

hlee
11-01-2004, 12:41 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_Birdbranch1.JPG
(http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=41557)

Somebody's on a groovy roll, all right. ;)

This one is probably my favourite in the series. Angular but not stiff lines, the blossom nested solidly (contrasting its implied delicacy) between the forking branches. There's that sense of fragility in the mass of branches which is counterpoised by visual weight of the solemn black bird.

Wonderful efforts! :clap: :clap:

hlee
11-01-2004, 12:53 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_fish1.JPG
(http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=41560)

Think you've captured the essentials of the composition here, the down and outward sweeping motion. :) Maybe a smaller brush would've helped with the finer lines (e.g. the underside of the fishes' bodies, the mouth, etc.)

Just curious -- what kind of ink was it? Drawing ink? Maybe it's the digital conversion... but the ink seems more like a watercolour wash in one or two areas where a darker load of ink could give more contrast, and hence a little more tonal variety.

Please keep them coming! :D :clap:

jerrydreesen
11-01-2004, 02:16 PM
Oh....don't close it. Jerry! It's OK slow. I pop in and keep an eye and I've been reading up!! Doing homework and trying to get my head into the right space.


OK, Group! I'm convinced. Let's keep it open...I keep forgetting not EVERYONE is retired like me. :) I guess I assumed everyone had moved on.
Glad your all still here! I'd getting a little busy myself so we'll just do what we can.

Thanks for hangng in there... and let others know...

Cheers!

Jerry

jerrydreesen
11-01-2004, 02:20 PM
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How is it that I've missed this one? Silly eh?

Beautiful composition jerry - I've just been studying some herons for the ATC project, and thought they'd make great brush art subjects - just goes to show how it's done!
thanks, weckster
here's another verison, better IMO...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2004/49936-abstractheron.jpg

jerrydreesen
11-01-2004, 02:32 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_red_koi.jpg

Nicely done!
So pouring watercolour is literally pouring it from the pallette?
I like it anyway.


debbie

thanks! It was my first attempt at "pouring"....
First I wet the paper with a cloth, then mixed a very small amount of gouache
with water, so that the color was fairly dense. I slowing, carefully poured the liquid paint ( two different colors, two "pours") over the wetted area and moved it around with a mop brush.
In this case I let the painted paper dry overnight, then painted the koi over it. I also have blocked out an area with latex masking fluid to provide a clean area to paint. I did a original peacock ATC in that way for a trade last week. When I can afford to buy more watercolor paper, I hope to do a full sized version I'll post here.
Thanks for being here...

Jerry

jerrydreesen
11-01-2004, 02:42 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_Birdbranch1.JPG

I think this idea of posting our work with the original for comparison is just great.
You're working SO hard at this.

I suggest that you study the branch shapes a bit more. Most Chinese branch techniques give the branch the natural crookedness of the plum tree.

Using ink rather than watercolor or gouache is not easy. It's so dense and unforgiving. Difficult to be subtle with it.
GOign to check out the others now...!

Good work

jerrydreesen
11-01-2004, 02:50 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_fish1.JPG

I love doing fish, too! These are nice. You're staying in the traditonal sumi-e mode...
I encourage you to keep at it.. IMO, it's the most difficult of the Oriental painting techniques...
if you're so inclined, go to http://www.geocities.com/origaboston/ for some beatiful examples of sumi-e. She is a friend, born in Russia, living now in Michigan. She has been doing sumi-e seriously for about a year...

You're doing well..... :D

Godzoned
11-01-2004, 02:52 PM
Think you've captured the essentials of the composition here, the down and outward sweeping motion. :) Maybe a smaller brush would've helped with the finer lines (e.g. the underside of the fishes' bodies, the mouth, etc.)

Just curious -- what kind of ink was it? Drawing ink? Maybe it's the digital conversion... but the ink seems more like a watercolour wash in one or two areas where a darker load of ink could give more contrast, and hence a little more tonal variety.

Please keep them coming! :D :clap:

The inks:
Black - Pelikan fount india drawing ink for fountain pens
Brown - Parker writing link for fountain pens

I tried watering them down to get different tones. No such luck.

I'll try the different brush sizes. Thanks for the tip. :D (duh I should have known this one).

Godzoned
11-01-2004, 02:57 PM
I love doing fish, too! These are nice. You're staying in the traditonal sumi-e mode...
I encourage you to keep at it.. IMO, it's the most difficult of the Oriental painting techniques...
if you're so inclined, go to http://www.geocities.com/origaboston/ for some beatiful examples of sumi-e. She is a friend, born in Russia, living now in Michigan. She has been doing sumi-e seriously for about a year...

You're doing well..... :D

Thanks Jerry for your encouragement.

Any tips on how to use the drawing ink I have?
eg: how do you make is less dense in places in the painting?

Wow your friends art is very good!
She must have been doing this for a while.

pampe
11-02-2004, 05:55 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_RedMaple1.JPG

lovely

and I can hear the excitement in your voice!! :clap:

pampe
11-02-2004, 05:56 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_heronwc.jpg

SIMPLY beautiful :clap:

pampe
11-02-2004, 05:57 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/31227/tn_CrocusCard.jpg

Maddie, I think this is a super start!!!!!

vasilkadifeli
11-03-2004, 12:41 AM
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This one is so beautiful... :clap:

Godzoned
11-03-2004, 02:03 PM
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This one is so beautiful... :clap:

Thanks Pampe and Vasil for the comment. I gave it to a friend as a birthday card. She was speachless. (Very rare for her - not sure if it was the card or the fact that I actually remembered her birthday - lol) :D

weckster
11-06-2004, 01:27 AM
thanks, weckster
here's another verison, better IMO...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Nov-2004/49936-abstractheron.jpg

Have to agree with you jerry. I like the other one, but the roughness on this is very attractive. I prefer this one too!

(Glad you've kept this open....I look forward to retiring one day! but at the moment tend to work 12 hour days, and odd hours, so really have to stretch to keep myself going with the painting. But I love it! It's a wonderful project)

Godzoned
11-10-2004, 02:47 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/5712/tn_ascension.jpg

wow. Love the flowing effect of the branch.
You are a pro!

laudesan
11-12-2004, 02:13 AM
I have just signed up.. :) Looks like fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am having a real block at the moment so this is just what I need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have browsed the gallery of finished works, and I must say you guys are GOOD!!!!!!!!!!

I shall have a go this evening..

Gudrun
11-12-2004, 09:03 AM
I have just signed up.. :) Looks like fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am having a real block at the moment so this is just what I need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have browsed the gallery of finished works, and I must say you guys are GOOD!!!!!!!!!!

I shall have a go this evening..

Welcome JJ..I missed you..do you need some nice tea again? :) Oh I have lots of that..since my daughter is in Czech republic I collect the tea and send some bags to her every week..I miss her....But if you need some joy-tea...I have mountains...it will kick you to paint

hlee
11-12-2004, 12:53 PM
Thanks, Godzoned :D ... wasn't too happy with the way the tree branched out, but I did discover what washes were for, lol!


I have just signed up.. :) Looks like fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am having a real block at the moment so this is just what I need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have browsed the gallery of finished works, and I must say you guys are GOOD!!!!!!!!!!

I shall have a go this evening..


Welcome, laudesan. :) Hope you'll find this project inspiring, and a relaxing experience. Go for it! :clap:

laudesan
11-12-2004, 07:32 PM
Thanks guys..

Gudrun that last lot of tea you sent me was wonderful.. :)

laudesan
11-12-2004, 11:25 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/22284/tn_red_cardinal_chinese_brush_painting.jpg

Here is my first effort.. Critique away.. :)

Godzoned
11-13-2004, 10:55 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/22284/tn_red_cardinal_chinese_brush_painting.jpg

You've done really well with this. I love the colour of the cardinal and the way you did the bamboo.

I'm no expert.
Here's my 2c though... the bird probably needed to be coloured in less.
See attachment.... Hope you don't mind showing you what I mean. :)

I tend to find that less is more in Chinese brush painting so far.

laudesan
11-13-2004, 10:59 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/22284/tn_red_cardinal_chinese_brush_painting.jpg

You've done really well with this. I love the colour of the cardinal and the way you did the bamboo.

I'm no expert.
Here's my 2c though... the bird probably needed to be coloured in less.
See attachment.... Hope you don't mind showing you what I mean. :)

I tend to find that less is more in Chinese brush painting so far.

Don't mind at all, and I see what you mean.. Thanks..

hlee
11-14-2004, 02:54 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/22284/tn_red_cardinal_chinese_brush_painting.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=42006)

The bird seems to take on an expression of its own, with a subtle tilt its head. :) One could see too, that you were well aware of the importance of surrounding space on the subject matter.

Besides agreeing with Godzoned, a humble suggestion for the future would bea little more caution to composition -- the tree branch w/ bird seems to be floating in mid-air, being conceptually disconnected from the bamboo. The bird is also heavier, and while it may be the focal point, the bamboo to a certain extent roots everything within the composition, hence better if it were made to appear as though it could either support or frame the bird (e.g. by adding multiple stalks, making the bird smaller, etc. etc.)

laudesan
11-14-2004, 07:29 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/22284/tn_red_cardinal_chinese_brush_painting.jpg (http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=42006)

The bird seems to take on an expression of its own, with a subtle tilt its head. :) One could see too, that you were well aware of the importance of surrounding space on the subject matter.

Besides agreeing with Godzoned, a humble suggestion for the future would bea little more caution to composition -- the tree branch w/ bird seems to be floating in mid-air, being conceptually disconnected from the bamboo. The bird is also heavier, and while it may be the focal point, the bamboo to a certain extent roots everything within the composition, hence better if it were made to appear as though it could either support or frame the bird (e.g. by adding multiple stalks, making the bird smaller, etc. etc.)

Thank you for your indepth critique. Really appreciate it..

Shall paint another one today.. :)

KathyJB
12-01-2004, 11:51 PM
Great stuff Gudrun!!! thanks for the link.


Kat

jerrydreesen
01-11-2005, 11:15 AM
Hello All!

I deeply apologize for m sudden and prolonged absence here.

I have had many personal events and circumstances that have
kept me too busy to contribute.

I am, for the forseeable future, goign to be absent. I can see that there is still many good posts and critiques here. I am gratified by that.

One of the reasons I must be adsent is that I am going to assume the duties Editor of Modern Haiga for the on-line journal, "Simply Haiku"

Simply Haiku (http://www.poetrylives.com/SimplyHaiku/SHv2n6/)

I wish you well. Thank you for participating in this project and keep painting!

Jerry Dreesen

Godzoned
01-11-2005, 03:20 PM
Hello All!

One of the reasons I must be adsent is that I am going to assume the duties Editor of Modern Haiga for the on-line journal, "Simply Haiku"

Simply Haiku (http://www.poetrylives.com/SimplyHaiku/SHv2n6/)

I wish you well. Thank you for participating in this project and keep painting!

Jerry Dreesen

Congradulations! :clap:
I'll go and have a look now. :D

shadowcats
02-02-2005, 05:03 AM
i love the examples posted , im learning sumi my self, and have gotten as many books on the subject as i can,,,,,,,,,,,
im taking a class right now on gyuocku ,,,,,,,,,,,, im not sure how to spell that but its a japonese fish painting, using fish molded in latex ,,,,,,,,,,,
really georgous too,,,,,,,,,,,,, , if your interested ill expain my classes later as i progress in them,,,,,,,,,,,, , i think this is such a great ideas and learning board,,,,,,,,, i mostly lurk but i do learn alot here,,,,,,,,,,,
if you want the brushes for sumi ,,,,,,,,,, ebay has a great selection really cheap and i have another couple of sites that have sumi supplies cheap
just email me and i ll forward the links,
i find any subject will do for sumi from fish , to pets to even , human models , in a modern setting , it all just depends on what catches your interest , i ve done some works on the cranes in the area , and my cats ,
and a few of flowers , i dont have a scanner so i dont know how to post a pic, unless i snap a digital pic , have to get my hubby to do that for me,
being dyslexic is such a pain, but i get by,,,,,,,,,,,

i did find taking a pic of things that interested me help sharpen my focus on what i wanted to portray , and gave me and outline to go by also,,,,,,,,,,
and even little things like the shape of a delicate pottery shard gave me inspiration,,,,,,,,,,,,,
sharon :cat:

nitingram
03-09-2005, 09:02 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_fish1.JPG

What a nice job you did on your fish. I am impressed that you were able to get such a good effect on cartridge paper. Have you tried using oriental or 'rice' papers? I find that working on them is so much more enjoyable. Ann

Godzoned
03-09-2005, 02:35 PM
What a nice job you did on your fish. I am impressed that you were able to get such a good effect on cartridge paper. Have you tried using oriental or 'rice' papers? I find that working on them is so much more enjoyable. Ann


Thank you. No I haven't tried rice paper. I use what I have lieing around the house. I usually do watercolours and acrylics so this project was just a 'rest' excersize for me for a while to get to know how to use the brush differently. :D always into trying something new.

Cwmrugirl
07-31-2005, 12:56 PM
Hi there:
I just surfed in on this project. Several years ago I practiced Chinese brush painting using a book by Ning Yeh called "Chinese Brush Painting....An Instructional Guide". I used Winsor Newton watercolor paints because some of the Chinese paints faded.
The paints have to be of the right consistency (takes practice), the paper and brushes have to be excellent quality. You just practice, practice, practice the strokes. I mounted my work on watercolor paper.....90lb I think, but mounting larger paintings was difficult.....the paper "bubbled" and a lot of my paintings were spoiled. I believe there are places where you can get your work mounted but mine was too far away. I purchased all my materials from OAS P.O Box 6596, Huntington Beach, Ca. 92615 but that was a few years ago.
Sending you one of my paintings I was happy with.http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/31-Jul-2005/63626-brushpainting.jpg

Stushnov
08-01-2005, 12:34 AM
Superb!!! Your work is lovely! Thanks for sharing your info~~

Cwmrugirl
08-01-2005, 04:36 PM
Thank you Stushnov. Your comments are really appreciated.:cat:

Grunge
09-20-2005, 10:40 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/60457/tn_flamingo.jpg

Hope you don't mind if I wake up a sleeping conversation, but as I have joined the project and completed a couple of pieces...I just thought I'd butt in.

Grunge
09-20-2005, 10:42 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/60457/tn_yin_fish.jpg

Attempt #2

Grunge
09-20-2005, 10:44 AM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/60457/tn_berries_and_flies.jpg

.... and last.....

Godzoned
09-22-2005, 04:20 PM
cwnrugirl and Grunge your work is just fantastic!!!!

Thanks for waking this project back up. I've been a sleeping WCer lately but now I have mozilla firefox (makes internet move faster for dialup) I'll be on this site more often.

Grunge
09-22-2005, 10:02 PM
Thanks Debbie! You are too kind. Actually, I find Jerry's great blue heron quite inspirational. I might have to try my hand at that one. I need to think up a snazzy little stamper too. My pictures feel like they are missing something.

ruffiegirl
09-24-2005, 05:39 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com//Community/Projects/index.php?cmd=view_image&entry_id=50187

I'm happy to see this post reopened. I received a couple of Chinese Brush painting sets for Christmas last year. I haven't been practicing very much, but thought I would show this and get comments. Not great, but...

Grunge
09-24-2005, 07:07 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/24155/tn_scan0002.jpg

you've got nice texture going in those trees! I'm liking it!!

Grunge
09-26-2005, 12:36 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/60457/tn_lizards.jpg

finally i have left the book behind. this one is all me.

Grunge
09-26-2005, 12:39 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/60457/tn_birds.1.jpg

this one came out looking a bit similar to Jerry's heron but it was supposed to be a seagull

Grunge
09-26-2005, 12:40 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/60457/tn_birds.2.jpg

..and yadda, yadda, yadda..... another bird.

ruffiegirl
09-26-2005, 02:43 PM
I love this! Good work.

ruffiegirl
09-26-2005, 02:44 PM
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oops, was referring to this entry.

Godzoned
09-28-2005, 08:57 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/60457/tn_lizards.jpg

ohhhh nice!!! :clap:

Godzoned
09-28-2005, 08:59 PM
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The texture in these trees are very good.
I must really get back to this project myself. yOu lot are starting to inspire me again. :D

Grunge
09-28-2005, 10:19 PM
thanks Debbie. I think this one was the most relaxed. I knew I wanted lizards and they just seemed to work out. the birds I think were more forced.

wabbitt
05-26-2006, 05:04 PM
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Dog
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/76057/tn_wde_4-29_dog.jpg

Didn't know if this actually belonged in Progress or Final Entry, but I'm finished with it. I've got more to post, but I'm going to wait and see if anyone's watching this old thread. It seems the projects stay open long after they've started. I've been feeling like a Wetcanvas!Orphan when it comes to Chinese Brush style but I've been looking for subjects to apply the style to in the Weekly Drawing Event pictures. C&C welcome.

Grunge
05-26-2006, 09:27 PM
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Dog
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/76057/tn_wde_4-29_dog.jpg

Yep! believe it or not...I'm still watching this one. and I'm sure others are as well.

Love, love, love the dog. especially the variation in the tone of the line. This is really awesome!

KathyJB
05-27-2006, 12:49 AM
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Dog
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/progress/76057/tn_wde_4-29_dog.jpg

Wow wonderful completed painting, I am so glad you resurected the project thread, I never added one but i sure have enjoyed looking. Bravo on you!!!
I am still subscribed to the thread also so anything that is posted pops in "my WC"



Kat

wabbitt
05-30-2006, 06:34 PM
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http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/76057/tn_wde_5-26_turtle.jpg

Thanks for the replies, Grunge & Kathy, maybe I'm not such a WC!orphan afterall :clap: I uploaded several sketches from the past few weeks WDEs. Critique is welcome, don't feel obligated to every one. I'm here to learn. That said, I've got some I'm proud of (cows, lemurs) and some stinkers...I didn't even put up this week's bouganvillea attempt. I think I'm just rushing with the not-so-good ones.

Grunge
05-30-2006, 10:11 PM
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turtle
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/76057/tn_wde_5-26_turtle.jpg

what a cutie! the head is looking rather rounded. nice job!

wabbitt
09-29-2006, 12:26 PM
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Rooster & Bamboo
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HI everyone :wave: This week I attended my first of four classes in Chinese brush painting at the local community college (non-credit). I'm happy with how the rooster turned out, but I still need practice on bamboo. This is traditional Chinese Watercolors (tube) and (bottle) ink. It's not Sumi ink, but I can't tell the difference. The paper is bamboo fiber...quite different from watercolor paper, very thin and absorbant. That means no correcting by lifting and it dries really fast. Teacher said these things can be bought in Chinatown (I live 90 miles from Los Angeles) in bookstore-type shops. I hate driving in the city, so I may need to find a Chinese neighborhood in a suburb. Thanks for looking.

nancyw
10-21-2006, 02:06 PM
I just got the Lucy Wang book (from ebay cheap like new). It is so helpful and a joy to study.

KathyJB
10-21-2006, 04:51 PM
I agree, adorable !!!!
Kat


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Mouse
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/47179/tn_mouse.JPG

Delete this line then add your comments, but leave the links above intact, so others know what you are talking about!

wabbitt
10-24-2006, 03:40 PM
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Well, that's the end of the class. It was fun. All of these are Chinese Watercolors & Ink on 14x18 rice paper. I've got left over materials that I will try these paintings again...there are bits here and there that I think I could do better at. Thanks for looking.

mtv65
05-27-2007, 08:16 AM
I need help

Please does anyone know the rules for copying the old masters? I know that is part of what many do to practice but compared with copyrights rules etc. how does this work? I would love to use old masters to practice since this techniques is very much in getting the brush strokes right in the beginning but I do not wnat to break any copyrights.

Secondly do any of you know the best place to find such images to practice brushstrokes by copying?

trine

quaeredeo
05-27-2007, 06:19 PM
Definitely STRUGGLING with this new (for me) medium. First day's practice strokes were NOT impressive. The paper just CONSUMES the ink. Wow! What a difference from the paint I'm used to working with. This sheet is on a page from a sketch pad. The rice paper was even worse. Oh my! Much more practice needed.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-May-2007/102409-bamboo2.jpg

Donn
05-27-2007, 07:21 PM
Don't be discouraged. You have wonderful bamboo leaves there. It takes a while, buy keep at it.
Some of the Chinese brush paintings I did was using the Pentel Pocket Brush pen.
Donn
http:flickr.com/photos/waysidejourney

Donn
05-27-2007, 07:23 PM
Don't be discouraged. You have wonderful bamboo leaves there. It takes a while, buy keep at it.
Some of the Chinese brush paintings I did was using the Pentel Pocket Brush pen.
Donn
http:flickr.com/photos/waysidejourney

mtv65
05-28-2007, 12:14 AM
yesterday I found this project and I was very happy.

Hopefully it will be a nice place to be a part of while I explore the fantastic medium of chinese brush painting.

One thing the rest of you might help me find an aswer for is this issue I wonder about:
Copyrights and practicing by copying old or younger masters?
In the 6th canon of Hsien Ho it says "in copying, seek to pass on the essence of the master's brush and methods" and even though one bit by bit try to find ones own style, while learning the basics copying often is part of what students do.

Another thing is that western copyrights state that any use or copy of even a small part of a work is considered break of copyrights. Since it topicwise is very hard to paint or practice any of the 4 gentlemen without the results somehow resembling parts or any other work painting that gentleman it follows that any painting breaks the copyrights rule as it is defined in US and the western world. I have also noticed that to my untrained western eye even birds painted by very different artists even with many hundred years apart show some resemblance to each other to my untrained eye.

I do know that to a trained eye seemingly very similar paintings will not be similar, but that does not help my problem being a westerner ( Norwegian) wanting both to learn from masters but also not breaking laws.

Please help me. Where should the lines be drawn in connection with practicing and painting for example bamboo or plum flowers? Or birds on a branch or pandas or any of the usual topics in chinese brush painting?

and now two of my first clumsy trials.
unfortunately I have not yet got my proper brushes and papers. This is ink work using watercolor brush on watercolour paper.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2007/82589-ACEO_ATC_07-05-120_young_Crow.JPG

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-May-2007/82589-ACEO_ATC_07-05-121_bird_in_ink.JPG
Trine

mtv65
05-28-2007, 12:45 AM
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Tiger bathing
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/46063/tn_tiger.jpg

I think you are way too hard on yourself. I wish you would also point out the parts that you felt did work out well or at least OK. You were way too good at finding all possible flaws here in my opinion. Remember it is also about expressing there and then - not a watercolour to fiddle with. Each stroke is part of that moment you had with that brush and that paper.

mtv65
05-28-2007, 12:47 AM
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Cat
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/13186/tn_Don%27t_Bug_Me.jpg

This one I found totally adorable. I think you have used both the technique and your own style together very well. I fell for this cat.

mtv65
05-28-2007, 12:49 AM
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Spring
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_firstgo1.JPG

I think it turned out very well. I too wonder about using the old masters as patterns for practice

mtv65
05-28-2007, 12:55 AM
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Bamboo
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/29115/tn_bamboo.JPG

I really liked that calligraphy. What does it say? I think this brush painting is very well for a westerner who has not been doing this for a long time. I too like the style both for its excellence in simplicity of form and for its meditative effect when working it.

mtv65
05-28-2007, 12:58 AM
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Ascension
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/5712/tn_ascension.jpg

I like the spontanious style of it. It is like you got hooked into the mood there and then and creted a genuin piece of art not only a practice work. I really like the vitality. technically it looks like you load the brush with too little ink.

Is that your kanjiname by the way?

Trine

mtv65
05-28-2007, 01:01 AM
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Haiga - Issa watercolor and pen
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/49936/tn_cateyes.jpg

quasi or not, I must admit I fell for the image.

mtv65
05-28-2007, 01:14 AM
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Bamboo
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_BookmarkBamboo1.JPG

very nice improvement indeed. :clap:

mtv65
05-28-2007, 01:19 AM
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Japanese Red Maple
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/41633/tn_RedMaple1.JPG

This turned out real well. Very nice card indeed. Simple elegance. As you practice you will get more variation in the leaves

mtv65
05-28-2007, 06:29 AM
I think there are several good strokes there. You are too hard on yourself. Of course it takes time to adjust to a newm medium and style. You did well in my opinion. Give it time.

Trine


Definitely STRUGGLING with this new (for me) medium. First day's practice strokes were NOT impressive. The paper just CONSUMES the ink. Wow! What a difference from the paint I'm used to working with. This sheet is on a page from a sketch pad. The rice paper was even worse. Oh my! Much more practice needed.

quaeredeo
05-28-2007, 06:33 AM
Regarding copyright. I am not an attorney and relatively new as an artist, but this is what I have gathered from my reading. Copying for practice is fine (if it is a living artist it is good practice to ask permission first) and is called a "study". Just don't sell it. Also, I believe there is a statute of limitations although I do not know how long it is. Copying old masters is fair game. (Note that most museums allow non-flash photography, but galleries definitely DO NOT.) I would guess that if trying to sell a copy of an old master one would name it "Copy of Picasso's Young Lovers" but it probably wouldn't sell too well. I have also read that most celebrities have filed copyrights on themselves, so painting and selling a portrait of a celebrity is against this copyright. Of course, copying and selling photography from magazines is also against the copyrights. Most of what I am relaying here I have picked up from reading the "Artist's Magazine" -- check your local library. I have also read that it is TERRIBLY complicated. But basically, whatever we do for practice, and NOT for SALE, is fine.

mtv65
05-28-2007, 06:35 AM
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Birds & Plum Blossoms
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/76057/tn_brush2sm.JPG

It has a nice look with very good open space. It looks compositionswise good. I wonder, do you all get the red stamps and a calligrafi thing to add on such classes?

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Koi & Willow
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/76057/tn_brush3sm.JPG

I like the movements you created here. It has a nice meditative "feel" which I like. You worked rather big it seems, I guess your size is in inches??? remember to put that one because some of us use cm.

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Cranes & Pine Tree
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/76057/tn_brush4sm.JPG

Looks like you managed to get through many things during those classes. Birds or several kids and fish. Now you have several subjects to chose from when practicing more. You have come far as far as my untrained yee can see.

mtv65
05-28-2007, 06:36 AM
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Mouse
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/47179/tn_mouse.JPG

Kind of cute this one. I can't wait untill we really know how to control bleeding to create exactly the fur look we want. :-)) Nice mouse

mtv65
05-28-2007, 06:41 AM
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Rooster & Bamboo
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/76057/tn_brush1sm.jpg

I wonder how spontanious did you want to go for? Maybe we need to say something about that too when posting because that very much could determine the comments? If you wanted the more fine lined work or the combination then this is quite good, especially the feet look very good. If you wanted to go for a spontanious style I would recomment more variations of and less of the feathers - more indicating them. What did the teacher say? Posting that could teach us all lots and lots.

mtv65
05-28-2007, 06:41 AM
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turtle
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/Projects/lib/748/completed/76057/tn_wde_5-26_turtle.jpg

Very nice and loosely indicated. I really like this one

quaeredeo
05-28-2007, 08:54 AM
Okay. So day 2. Bamboo went a LITTLE better, still a LONG way to go. Need to figure out how the leaves are placed better. And still need to work on the brush strokes. But it's looking a little better.

So I tried a Flower. Not Plum. Don't know what this is. Anyway, a flower. Not too good.

Next I tried some fake calligraphy. I tend to make up fake characters. I do that with runic also. Use it quite a lot in some of my paintings. Anyway, the calligraphy still needs work also. Doesn't have the feel of real characters. No spacing between them, no rhythm.

By the way, whoever decided a black stone to mix black ink needs to have their head examined. I've got to find a white stone.

Also have to get a pad of newsprint. A large pad. Going through paper at an astounding rate.

361526

361527

361528

mtv65
05-28-2007, 12:24 PM
That bamboo is really getting somewhere. :clap:

Playing with fake calligraphy and non existent flowers has to be an excellent way to practice brush strokes. LOL I ended up adding a ton extra Shuan paper on my order - I think I will need it all. :)

Sassie2
05-28-2007, 12:26 PM
This is my first attampt participating in a project. I did my final upload last night. But I don't see it here in the forum. What did I do wrong???

I don't remember who asked the question regarding where to get brush painting supplies.....if you dont live nearby any big city, like NYC, LA, etc. it is probably just do your purchasing online type in 'Chinese Brush Painting Supply' you will find it.

G'day!!!

mtv65
05-28-2007, 03:51 PM
Regarding copyright. I am not an attorney and relatively new as an artist, but this is what I have gathered from my reading. Copying for practice is fine (if it is a living artist it is good practice to ask permission first) and is called a "study". Just don't sell it. Also, I believe there is a statute of limitations although I do not know how long it is. Copying old masters is fair game. ...

Yepp, This I knew, My question is how this apply for chinese brush painting since most of it IS always partly similar to other works due to the fact that all paint the same subjects (4 gentlemen) and since part of what is special is to learn to do the brush strokes as the masters do and did them. result will inevietably become similar to other works or part of other works. THAT is easily avoided in oils - not so in these techniques. Even the angle of the head of small birds are similar in works from the very old ones to the new ones.

In addition, part of the tradition from what I have read is that COPYING IS PART OF TRADIITONAL LEARNING OF THESE TECHNIQUES. In the end it is a culture crash between east and west. How do they think about this issue in China and japan for example? I'd like to know.

Curious me. Trine

lpb
05-28-2007, 05:02 PM
Whe you copy a master, I beleive it is appropriate to write "apres (name of master)" rather than signing your own name. "apres" means "after".

The 4 Gentlemen are brushstrokes. There is no copyright on brushstrokes.

ptantono
05-28-2007, 11:29 PM
This thread is still going on after 4 years. Thanks to Jerry who gives the inspiration to all of us though he has long been absent. :thumbsup: Love seeing more works in here. Keep painting :clap:

wabbitt
05-30-2007, 12:07 PM
Wow, guys! Thank you for reviving this thread :) I can't believe it's grown three pages this week alone!

Trine - that's a great start to your journey. Part of the battle in this technique is controlling the water in your brush. You can bleed off the water on a separate (cloth or paper) towel just by touching brush to cloth. It also gives you a chance to see how dark the pigment in your brush. If you can't get cheap rice paper, newsprint is close. If you can't get a pad of newsprint, my teacher had us practicing strokes on the local newspaper (pick a page without pictures) until we were confident.

Re your comments on my paintings: What I didn't like about this teacher I had was she would sit down at your painting and "touch it up." As much as I appreciated her calligraphy on my paintings, I thought her touch ups were a bit much, hence the rooster with too many feathers. Yes, I work in inches, sorry about that. And in the "traditional learning method" we copied our compositions from the sample teacher brought in. I'm sure hers was a copy too.

quaeredeo - your bamboo leaves are coming along very well. mine still hang like bunches of green bananas :(

donn - I'm glad to see you're still around wetcanvas :) As convenient as a penbrush is (I used it too) you really don't get the feel. Have you tried this style with a western brush with black watercolor yet?

sassie - I guess you figured out by now you uploaded to the other thread--no problem :)

lpb
05-30-2007, 06:04 PM
Re your comments on my paintings: What I didn't like about this teacher I had was she would sit down at your painting and "touch it up." Yikes! :eek: That would make me nuts!

Donn
05-30-2007, 07:34 PM
Wabbit,
True, you don't get the feel with the Pental pocket brush pen as you would a regular Oriental brush. But I hate setting up and taking down every time I do anything. The brush pen is quick, handy and I can usually use it anywhere.
No, haven't used regular watercolor brushes with black w/c paints. Guess I should. I do have a travel set of w/c, so I guess no excuse.
Donn

mtv65
06-01-2007, 10:32 AM
Trine - that's a great start to your journey. Part of the battle in this technique is controlling the water in your brush. You can bleed off the water on a separate (cloth or paper) towel just by touching brush to cloth. It also gives you a chance to see how dark the pigment in your brush. If you can't get cheap rice paper, newsprint is close. If you can't get a pad of newsprint, my teacher had us practicing strokes on the local newspaper (pick a page without pictures) until we were confident.

Re your comments on my paintings: What I didn't like about this teacher I had was she would sit down at your painting and "touch it up." As much as I appreciated her calligraphy on my paintings, I thought her touch ups were a bit much, hence the rooster with too many feathers. Yes, I work in inches, sorry about that. And in the "traditional learning method" we copied our compositions from the sample teacher brought in. I'm sure hers was a copy too. :)

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: today I got a huge package all the way from USA with tons of materials - including loads of Suan paper bot for practice and for the real thing. Thanks for the tip on checking the ink. I know I tend to use to dry a brush for my claligraphy so I will try to use wetter brushes for painting too. I got proper brushes too in the package. can't wait to try them out.

What I really really need to have in huge letters before me is "DO NOT TRY TO FIX A BAD STROKE!

As for an instructor working on the students paper or canvas, that seems to be a very common thing. I have a quite nice portrait from an class but what use is it for me since 50 % is the instructor's work. I want my bad ones so that I can see improvements along the way. If she made the feathers on that rooster, I am confused, because I am fairly sure as we progress the aim is to make it right with as few strokes as possible. Is he or she a good original brave artist herself? Some instructors follow patterns way too much.

mtv65
06-01-2007, 10:34 AM
So Jerry is not posting or commenting anymore? Who is in charge? I did not know this projects was that old. 4 years? let's make it flourish again

pilbrand
06-01-2007, 11:55 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jun-2007/44687-crane500.jpg

This is one of my first try, i tried to paint a lots of cranes before I made this one.

Ink and watercolor on chinese paper with gold flakes.

Pamela

pilbrand
06-01-2007, 11:55 AM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jun-2007/44687-crane500.jpg

This is one of my first try, i tried to paint a lots of cranes before I made this one.

Ink and watercolor on chinese paper with gold flakes.

Pamela

mtv65
06-01-2007, 12:40 PM
Pamela
That is so amazing. That crane looks to my untrained eye at least just right. Very good work for a beginner. :clap: :clap: :clap: I am very impressed.

I can¨t wait to see your next work. I got the Shuan paper today in the mail. I hope it is on the rought side we are to put the paint??? There, see how newbie I am with the proper materials. And none of the books tell you obvious things like that.

Trine