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DominicM
09-13-2004, 04:26 AM
Morning all, happy pastelling this week.

Last week's Scumble (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214342)

For those of you who don't know me, I am currently exiled from this forum on health grounds. Thought I would drop in and share the latest with you.

I see a specialist on Thurdsay about my breathing, I am hoping he will give me the all clear to resume a lot of things in life especially pastels.

My time has not been completely wasted, if you want to see my current WIP it is here (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=215124) (albeit in watercolor)

Will drop back in and let you know how I get on.

Kathryn Wilson
09-13-2004, 09:10 AM
Hi Dominic! :wave: Nice to see you posting in here and hope that your visit to the doctor goes well. It certainly is a serious health and safety issue that you are facing and that all us need to be aware of.

Have you tried oil pastels? A fair number of our OP'ers have migrated to oil pastels because of their dustlessness (is that a word?). Come on over to the oil pastel forum and take a look at what we are accomplishing.

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Had a great weekend - two birthday dinners and a movie - went to see "Vanity Fair" last evening and it was a wonderful romp through english society during the early 1800's. The costumes and scenery were breathtaking -

So, what is happening in your part of the world?

Deborah Secor
09-13-2004, 09:37 AM
Good to see you again, Dominic. Hope all improves or that you find happiness with another medium! The lighthouse is a challenge but I like what I see! :D (Except what do I know about watercolor??? Nada.)

I'm off to take care of mom today. She's moving across the hall (!) in less than a month and you cannot imagine the amount of flurry that can cause in her life. I mean, we figure all we have to do is pick it up and transplant it a few steps--quick, easy, done in four hours, tops. She, who can't lift a gallon of milk or a bag of sugar anymore, figures this is like a trip to the moon! She'll be so much happier when this is done--she'll have a fresh start and sunlight in her apartment, as it's south facing. Meanwhile, I'm helping her sort through her postage stamp sized closet (and NOT sorting the shed in my own back yard that's full of 70 years of her stuff for the yard sale I need to have. She's forgotten that all exists--than goodness.) Such is life!

Deborah

SweetBabyJ
09-13-2004, 01:29 PM
Cleanup house (again) do more laundry (again) avoid working on landscape (again) but procrastinate about packing up stuff for Kitty's workshop (still). I dunno- figure if I can get the landscape done, I won't feel so bad about NOT being able to paint for a few days (I have a whole lotta running around to do for this trip) but I am wary of touching the landscape 'cause this is where I start to screw it up. "Whoa" is me. Hahaha!!

Sunshine sounds nice, Deborah- hope your Mom likes it, and there'll be a new adventure for her to rummage over for weeks- always good. Garage sales are something else all together- I'll go to 'em some, but I ain't holding one my ownself- too much like work.

Rain rain rain here from now till next May or so prolly- might pull off an Indian summer- you never know.

Merethe T
09-13-2004, 02:10 PM
Hello to you all! Hope you're all doing well!

Haven't had much time for painting or posting lately - work has been crazy. Lots of planning to do - like it always is in august / september. But it's getting better now, wich means I have no excuses anymore for finishing a couple of portraits who's been put away for quite some time now. Never really done portraits before, don't know what I'm doing :D Well, will post in the SP studio, see if I can get some help on it later!

I feel bad because I haven't had time to participate in the forums lately, as it is the first place I visit whenever I'm online. This thread is a nice place to start, and I hope I'll have the time I wish for in the forums!

We've had stormy weather for days now,raining cats and dogs, and it's sooo cold - perfect weather to be inside! :D

Merethe

Kitty Wallis
09-13-2004, 04:31 PM
It's a typical Oregon October day, a month early, blustery, drizzly, bright and dull by turns. I guess we're getting a rainy fall this year.

Last year a psychic told me not to be surprised when it rains during my Sept class. I didn't believe her. Judging from the weather report today we aren't going to have our plein air day. Rain every day from Wed until next Tues. :(

Maybe it's wrong.

Oh well, we can paint in the studio from reference photos. Or maybe clear glass bowls full of water...with stems in them, or something else the water is distorting, maybe flowers in the water. Or maybe slightly colored water on colorful cloth to show the experience of the color shift when painting water scenes, reflections, glimpses of the bottom. Maybe rocks in the water and on the table... We'll need light sources.

BTW, I started that thread for all the little paintings done on my samples. It's in my forum. Only a couple of people have posted there. I'm hoping to see all of the pieces in one thread, starting back in April when I started sending them out to WC pastelists. I want to include the 9x12" ones from the Dakota sample packets as well. I think it will be interesting to see everyone's first tries on my paper.

Khadres
09-13-2004, 04:39 PM
Merethe, cooooold and rainy sounds WONDERFUL from here! We're suddenly getting the summer weather we DIDN'T get in August, I guess.

We met Mikki and John over at the Garden of the Gods visitors center, had a coffee and danish and headed out to find someplace to paint...was fairly cool and nice to START with, but by the time we made a circuit of the park it was OVEN time with that blazing sun cookin' us all alive. So she and John headed back to their RV for cooler clothes and a look-around over on the west side of town while Gary and I came home and put on cooler stuff and vegged out. Neither of us slept worth a darn last night (even the dogs were restless!) so G's gonna grab a good nap with the air conditioner on upstairs.

Anyway, I think they liked the Garden....we're going to meet them for dinner later this evening and see about sketching then or tomorrow when it's SUPPOSED to be cooler! All of us did get lots of photos tho. Will upload later and share.

Mikki definitely does have a shiny new truck that goes CHUGGGGGGG! Looks lovely and her hubby even lets her DRIVE! Can you imagine???

Chatted a bit with Monica (older daughter--post surgery, etc.) and she's trying to get back on her feet a bit BUT....now it looks like her entire family has caught the stomach bug....JUST what she needs, upchucking with those stitches! I hope she can manage to get by without catching it! At least she seems to be getting some of her sense of humor back, which is a good sign.

Anyway, here's hoping everyone has a good week! SBJ, enjoy that trip and don't worry about anything but that! Break out some of those new duds and have FUN!

Kathryn Wilson
09-13-2004, 05:02 PM
Hey, Dee - hope your Mom's move goes well. It will be worth it!

Julie! Jealous of your visit with Kitty, but I'm sure you come out of there with a few zingers! and wowzers!

Merethe - we're always here for some good chat, if nothing else. It keeps you current on what's happening with everybody. Glad you checked in!

Kitty - I've been hoping someone would start that thread. Hopping over there right now - it will be like a "miniatures" show!

Sooz - looking forward to those photos! Glad you got to get some painting in and dinner tonight - that'll be fun. Glad you daughter is feeling better - but stomach flu too - ugh!

Khadres
09-13-2004, 05:51 PM
Actually, haven't gotten to paint YET, but we will...hopefully. Was just to blazing hot with not available shade that time of day.

Here are some pics...I took lots more, but I have a hunch Mikki's got some real stunners of the same things, so will let her upload those.

This is Mikki and John climbing up toward the obligatory balanced rock thingy.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Sep-2004/34895-mjgog1.jpg

This one shows John actually made it to the rock itself...Gary and I had sense enough to stay by the car! :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Sep-2004/34895-scale.jpg

Both of them looking thrilled in front of the Balanced Rock in the Garden of the Gods park.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Sep-2004/34895-MikkiJohnbalrock.jpg

Just a shot of the ledgelike terrain...see the color? That's why they call it Colorado!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Sep-2004/34895-ledges.jpg

This last one's for SBJ...just to make her homesick a bit! :cool:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Sep-2004/34895-sbjshomenest.jpg

Anyway, that's all for now...I'm gonna go read in front of the AC for a bit! TTYL!

Kathryn Day
09-13-2004, 06:35 PM
Hi to all,
It is very warm here this week, in the high 80's. But fall won't be far behind. I was too busy with work last week to get any painting done, but am going to start a portrait of my niece this week and will post, maybe in the project, painting your weakest subject. Have only done one portrait and would like to get better at it.

dominicM: hope you get the ok from your doctor.
Kat: happy birthday from last week, missed that, sorry.

Deborah: Hope you have a good week and get your Mom settled in. My Mom really gets stressed over any new changes, so understand you will be dealing with a "rattled stressed" Mom.

Julie: Have lots of fun at Kitty's workshop, wish I could go! :envy: Maybe, next year Kitty.

Miki, Sooz: Great you guys were able to get together again. I can't wait to see all your photos. Just looked and saw your photos Sooz. I need to get up to Colorado, beautiful scenery.

Everyone have a good week, hopefully with lots of time for painting. :D

khourianya
09-13-2004, 06:35 PM
Well, my "mother-in-law" has gone back home and I will finally have some tiem to dedicate to painting again. Last week was kind of nutsoid with work and volunteering and visiting.

I ordered some pastels from Paul de Marrais this weekend. What a delightful guy! He's very passionate about his pastels and you can't help but be excited by his emails. I am so excited to be getting the chance to try them. i'm hooping he has the green I have been searching for my entire life! If you're curious, his website is www.pastelpaul.com

Other than that - my week looks like it will be the same old, same old. Get up, go to work, come home, paint, go to bed...start it all over again.

Hope everyone has a wonderful week!

bnoonan
09-13-2004, 09:19 PM
Trying something new today - I'm the model this time and it's been an interesting experience. a friend of mine is painting a portrait demo so this afternoon she did the drawing of me - apart from the group, and tonight I'll sit as a model for the actual painting. It's easy to model but it's also interesting to see how she goes about the process. Both of us have witnessed many demos by all range of folks so it will be interesting to see how this is perceived. With any luck I'll post her fine work tomorrow.

Later... Barb

PS - love the photos posted - they are stunning and make me wish I was in the land of red rocks!!!

SweetBabyJ
09-13-2004, 09:31 PM
Not fair Sooz! I wanna go hoooooo-ooome!!!

Get thee out there one morning early and shoot 'em at sunrise- it's absolutely mystical.

Paula Ford
09-13-2004, 10:42 PM
Hi All,

Just had a minute to stop by and tell you...

Delta, if you haven't heard, is moving out of Dallas/Ft. Worth, which means that my husband (pilot) has the choice to pick his new home base, Salt Lake City or Atlanta and he has chosen Atlanta. (He may have to go to Salt Lake just for a few months, but eventually he'll be in Atlanta.)

I've been praying and hoping to move back east for some time now. As you all know, I hate where I live!! (Though the community is wonderful.) We are planning to move to either the Tri-City (Kingsport-Erwin-Johnson City, TN) area or maybe Asheville, NC. Either way, that whole area is beautiful, mountainous, has plenty of lakes and rivers, hiking and fishing. It will be a dream come true if we get to do the move. My hubby assures me by this time next year we'll be settled into our little log cabin nestled in the woods. Plein Air here I come!!

Wish us luck and keep us in your thoughts.

Dominic, I wish you health, and everyone else, hope you are all well and happy.

{{{{{{{{{{big hugs to all of you}}}}}}}}}}}}
Paula

TSPoon
09-14-2004, 12:53 AM
I'm back from my vacation to Indiana, glad to be back where the weather is not so humid, the bugs are nonexistent and there are big fluffy clouds in the sky! I love the NW! And the green! Came home to grey skies and rain, tho. But today was lovely! I haven't been able to post any of my paintings up yet, things have been to hectic. But now that I'm settling back into my routine, I should have time to take pictures and post them. I painted plein air (I had planned to do pastels, but I couldn't seem to get interested and ended up painting with watercolors, which really surprised the heck out of me, I have been hating wc lately....but lo and behold, everything clicked and I am really pleased with my paintings) Now I don't know where to post them - here or on the watercolor board. I think I can cross-post, right? Or is that the wrong thing to do?

Kyle- the JRT is my ten year old dog Moe (my baby!) the picture was taken at the foot of Mt Si after a very long hike - while we were taking off our boots she disappeared for a few minutes and came back covered in #*@!. We were going "What's that smell?" She just looked so innocent, "Who, me?"....
(I love her)
Terry

Khadres
09-14-2004, 01:07 AM
Not fair Sooz! I wanna go hoooooo-ooome!!!

Get thee out there one morning early and shoot 'em at sunrise- it's absolutely mystical.

I keep meaning to do that, but it would mean going to bed at a relatively decent hour and I'm not too good at that! But I will, eventually! Was very pretty today with the trees beginning to change and LOTS of flowers blooming since we've had rain!

Mikki Petersen
09-14-2004, 01:43 AM
Hello from Colorado...hey! this is my own version of postcards from the edge, eh? We really enjoyed visiting witih Sooz and her husband today although we did not get to paint. Garden of the Gods is really spectacular and these lucky Colorado Springs residents get to enjoy it daily for free. No entrance fees and the park is well equipped and maintained too. Gorgeous to see those red rock formations in the foreground with Pike's Peak looming in the distance.

SBJ, my dear, I find it difficult to feel to sorry for you since you come from such a beautiful place and have moved to such a beautiful place. I could package a bit of red dirt and send it to you if you like? Katy, I can highly recommend a visit to Colorado. Gorgeous country and so different from Santa Fe yet so close.

Preston...a carry over from last week's thread. Have you solved your show dilemma? From 39 paintings, I would think you should be able to put together a fine show. I don't envy you though. My experience has been that I can be quite happy with my work until I begin to review it in terms of a show or entering a competition. At that point, all my proudest work turns to trash! Which is why, to date, only family and WC has seen my efforts...Anyway, I'm sure you will impress the heck out of everyone. You do good solid work and I'm so happy you are getting this opportunity.

So many weather changes from city to city...We've walked in to a heat wave here (I hate hot weather) but there has also been rain. Northwest has rain, Southeast has hurricanes and on and on...

Deborah, I hope your day with your Mom went smoothly. Poor dear! Moving is hectic for anyone but change seems so much more difficult for the elderly. Maybe it's because they have more time to sit and ponder the possible problems? Or maybe it's because there are so few things to get excited over?

Kitty, I hope you get some sunshine for your class but I'm sure you will provide a wonderful experience for all the students regardless. I'm going to visit the "sample" thread in a bit. My Wallis sample from the Dakota pack is half finished at home, but I'll cringe and post it when I get home.

Domi, it's nice to have you back and hope you are well.

Barb, I would think posing would be interesting...sort of wearing the other shoe. And you'll be famous as the subject of the demo.

Merethe, so nice to meet you and I look forward to seeing examples of your work.

Well, I'm worn out! Between meeting with Sooz this morning and dinner with Sooz this evening, John and I took a quick trip to the North Pole...North Pole, Colorado that is. Who knows what tomorrow will bring...and the next day we begin the trip home...hopefully more smoothly than the trip out.

Happy painting!

Kathryn Wilson
09-14-2004, 07:46 AM
Isn't it amazing that we can all sit down one-by-one and talk to each other across the country (and in some cases across the world) each morning when we rise. It never ceases to boggle me that I can chat with so many people at once - :wave:

Mikki's Postcards from the Edge has been a wonderful travelog - hubby and I miss Utah so and these red rocks bring back memories of our trip to Moab where the whole country is red rocks balancing upon each other.

Preston, I don't envy you the task of picking and chosing your "children" - each and every one of my paintings has a special meaning for me - but I think you know in your gut which ones you are most proud of.

Terry, that sounds so like a JRT - down and dirty makes them happiest. We took our Rerun on a hike to a river and discovered that if we wanted to get to the end of the trail we had to navigate a series of very steep stairs (over 100) that were overwhelming to me, but that little dog run down them and then up them pulling me along every bit of the way. The next day the little bugger slept all day - :evil:

Katy and Barb - good luck with the portrait sessions. We wanna see!

Khouryiana - I have to admire anyone who has the patience to make their own pastels - the colors look delicious. Tell us what green you have been hunting for - it probably is the same green I've been longing for too.

Paula! Asheville is wonderful and the artist community is alive and kicking. We might even be able to get together once in a while to paint together - I am about 4 hours east of you, but we get to Asheville every so often. My hubby lived in Kingsport for a bit - the mountains are very different from the Carolina mountains - hard to describe, but lovely nonetheless. I believe one of our Guides, Stoy, lives in that area.

khourianya
09-14-2004, 10:44 AM
I have to admire anyone who has the patience to make their own pastels - the colors look delicious. Tell us what green you have been hunting for - it probably is the same green I've been longing for too.

It likely is. I told Paul to send me an assortment of greens so, when they arrive, I'll have to make a report on them. It never fails, no matter how many greens I have, they are always completely wrong for what I need them for! Ah, such is the life of a pastelist! :rolleyes:

K Taylor-Green
09-14-2004, 11:47 AM
Oh dear, Now I have to play catch up.

Cori, I made one pastel. I ground up the darkest green I had, added some black, some alchohol, mixed, rolled, and dried. I wanted a deep forest green. It wasn't too bad, and I think I would like to try my hand at making my own. It could be a hobby in it's self!

Paula, I hope you get to move. That part of the country is sooo beautiful. We are going to Gatlinburg, TN the last weekend of this month, for a long weekend. My father-in-law is a WWll veteran. There is a reunion every year, the last weekend of Sept. I have seen quite a bit of the country in this manner, in the 5 years since I met my hubby. We got engaged in New Orleans!! :D I guess you never get too old for romance!

Barb, I'm dying to hear how your modeling session goes.

I know I'm missing people, not on purpose!!

I got my commission of Irish Raider finished. I'll post him later today. She cried when she saw the piece, so I guess I did my job. That reaction always touches me.

I have started a new piece, but I am watching the lane for the Fed EX guy. I ordered new toys!! A set of Giraults, earthtones, some darks from Blocx, and pastel pencils. Makes it hard to concentrate.

Later everyone.

khourianya
09-14-2004, 12:34 PM
Cori, I made one pastel. I ground up the darkest green I had, added some black, some alchohol, mixed, rolled, and dried. I wanted a deep forest green. It wasn't too bad, and I think I would like to try my hand at making my own. It could be a hobby in it's self!


I'm interested in trying it one day..but not where I am currently living. My curretn studio space is much too small to set things up properly. Once I have a real house again, and a nice big studio again, then I will attempt it. I love the idea of making the custom colours I need for anything!

bnoonan
09-14-2004, 01:08 PM
Hello all...
Mikki - safe trip home and have fun with Sooz. do take more photos and post them.

Paula - Asheville is supposed to be beautiful but any place other than where you are based now I'm sure has a good ring. It's difficult if you don't feel at home.

Khourianya & Kate - I'm impressed if you do make your own dark greens. the only one I've liked has been a Sennelier and it's so crumbly that i often have flecks of it around the studio and end up having it stick to my socks and end up marching it through the apartment. It's like oil paint - just keeps spreading and spreading.

Kat, I'm with you... I love the fact that we are all so connected if only by the computer and this common interest in color and art... oh and good stories too!

Katy - just heard my sister is going to be down that way and she's not so fond of heat - guess she'll have to find her way around. Keep cool!

Well my modeling session went went but it was sure more difficult than I had expected it to be. My neck still is a bit stiff - guess it's just the pain of holding still for hours at a time. I'm told I'll get the painting once the artist does some fine tuning on it - which will be great. It's amazing what she accomplished in just a few hours time. Wow! And the other good part was running into two other pastel artist friends at the demo and catching up with them.

Off to make heads and tales of my desk and studio space. I have to prepare for Open Studios the third weekend in October and I'm sharing with 2 other women. should be a blast!!!

Barb

emmachester
09-14-2004, 02:15 PM
I am enjoying a nice break in our weather. I 'm sitting at my desk at work, sunshine streaming through the window, Norah Jones on my headphones, occasionally checking the latest post on WC--yes, it's a pretty good day for me.

I stayed up too late last night working on a landscape on velour paper--okay--you guys have been holding out on me! This is my first experience with that little sheet of heaven called "velour paper." You should have told me! What other secrets are you withholding? I love the way the pastels feel as they slide across the surface. The image you get is very different from my usual Wallis paper--hmmmm, the possiblities.

I hope everyone has a good week.

Sherry

K Taylor-Green
09-14-2004, 02:27 PM
I am enjoying a nice break in our weather. I 'm sitting at my desk at work, sunshine streaming through the window, Norah Jones on my headphones, occasionally checking the latest post on WC--yes, it's a pretty good day for me.

I stayed up too late last night working on a landscape on velour paper--okay--you guys have been holding out on me! This is my first experience with that little sheet of heaven called "velour paper." You should have told me! What other secrets are you withholding? I love the way the pastels feel as they slide across the surface. The image you get is very different from my usual Wallis paper--hmmmm, the possiblities.

I hope everyone has a good week.

Sherry


LOL Sherry, Would we do that? :evil: Actually, there have been several threads started on velour paper. Just gotta dig for em! It seems to be one of those hate it or love it things. I happen to love it for my animal work. Then I tried Wallis and love that more. I bought a couple of small pieces of sueded matboard to try. Hmmm,what are the odds? Naaaah, never replace Wallis!

pjo
09-14-2004, 02:57 PM
Hi all, I wanted to make sure to say hi to everyone, cause I'm sure I'll miss talking to some of you.

Paula-It looks as thour your prayers are going to be answered in the way you hoped. I hope your move goes well, and you find the perfect home, your own "little bit of heaven on earth."

Barb-I've never modeled but can surely understand holding any pose for a length of time could cause some stiffness.

Preston-I will be thinking of you as you decide which painting to choose. Wow, 39 paintings, you sure are prolific!

Deborah-how was the move, and how is your mom adapting to it? I hope all is well with you. We are considering having a yard sale in a week or two, and some of my husbands family will bring stuff over for us to sell for them. It will only be a one day (Saturday) event, so... if you want to price and bring things over from your shed let me know, you are sure welcome to.

Kitty-I'm hoping for sunshine for your workshop.

Sooz-Loved you photos of Garden of the Gods, my husband and I were there last year for a visit, it's just beautiful. I hope your dinner went well too.

Mikki-what a wonderful experience to travel as you've been able too. Thanks for taking us all along for the ride.

As for me, my husband is doing ok, healing up a little at a time and quite restless. He will hopefully be able to start to drive this week, and is beginning physical therapy. I have recently, had a bit more time to paint and am enjoying a project, and Deborah's foreground thread and even have 2 other paintings started. This is very unusual for me to have so many different paintings going at once. I'll have to decide whether or not it works for me. Hope everyone has a good week. :clap:

emmachester
09-14-2004, 03:27 PM
LOL Sherry, Would we do that? :evil: Actually, there have been several threads started on velour paper. Just gotta dig for em! It seems to be one of those hate it or love it things. I happen to love it for my animal work. Then I tried Wallis and love that more. I bought a couple of small pieces of sueded matboard to try. Hmmm,what are the odds? Naaaah, never replace Wallis!

Kate--Would YOU do that? Probably not, you look pretty honest to me, but Preston might. What's with all those names??---timmybob......Jimmy......Timmy...hmmm....very suspicious.

Sherry

Khadres
09-14-2004, 03:33 PM
Barb, sorry you got stiff neck out of modeling...modeling has always looked like slow torture to me, so I can understand where you're coming from! Be sure and let us see the finished piece when you get it!

Paula, glad you're finally getting to move! You might also like the north Georgia...Lookout Mtn. area where my folks used to live....very reasonable real estate prices, just far enough from the big city to feel homey, and gorgeous, drop-dead scenery all around with hang gliding, hiking, fishing, etc. Lush and green too.

Well, poor Mikki called this morning to say she's not feeling at all well; Gary talked to her and said her description sounded a lot like altitude sickness, tho I can't imagine that being the case after she's spent so much time up high already. She may have picked up a bug somewhere, bless her heart. Everybody send her get-well wishes; I know she's eager to get the trip home done, but I hope she doesn't have to do it while sick! Hopefully, I'll get to talk to her a couple minutes before they leave tomorrow! We really enjoyed our visit with them -- they're just the greatest people! Just too bad this country is so huge and the distances apart so far. Thank goodness for WC! as Kat said!

Don't laugh but I got an order confirmation on the stuff I ordered from Curry's today...FOUR WEEKS til delivery due to holdups at the Canada/US border, so I think I'm going to need to go buy some charcoal locally after all...my figure drawing class will be half over already by the time I get the Curry order! The wonders of modern homeland security, eh! Thankfully, charcoal isn't marked up TOO high here like pastels and such.

Deborah Secor
09-14-2004, 07:20 PM
It never fails, no matter how many greens I have, they are always completely wrong for what I need them for! Ah, such is the life of a pastelist! :rolleyes:
Cori, I had to laugh when I saw this! I wrote an entire article for the Pastel Journal on the color green! (Dawn gave me the idea, whether she meant to or not! LOL) My opening sentence says it all: Red is intense, yellow is cheerful, blue is peaceful, pink is romantic and green is—a problem. I speculate that green is a tough one partly because it's made of warm yellow and cool green in some proportions, though it's complicated by the intensity of the yellow vs. the simple temperature issue. At any rate, I have a few pet greens I simply will not do without again. When I find a good one, I buy six of them!

PJ, my mom doesn't move until October 8-9. With mom's tiny little apartment I figure four strong boys from SOM will be able to relocate everything across the hall in about 4 hours--with breaks...but mom's approaching it like a moon shot. I may still talk with you about the yard sale! I have so much to get rid of that I should do it here, but having the added motivation of togetherness might make it really happen. I hoped to get a few neighbors together and do a multi-family one, but so far no one is interested...

Kate, did you get your Giraults? I LOVE them! That earthtone set is amazing... Tell us what you think. I don't know the BlockX brand, so fill us in.

Paula, it sounds like a good move for you! I don't know the area at all, but others say it's wonderful! :D

I just found out that my brother and sister in-law are evacuating from Mobile, AL. I think I mentioned they just moved there from Buffalo. They have nevereven traveled much, let alone lived anywhere outside of the greater Buffalo area. I'm so amazed when I meet folks who have lived in one place for something like 3 or 4 generations, having lived such a peripatetic life. (My husband broke the mold in their family. <whew>) The in-laws are in an apartment and I bet right now they're darned glad not to have purchased a house. I can't keep track of these hurricanes... Guess I need to dust off the TV.

Deborah

khourianya
09-14-2004, 07:33 PM
Don't laugh but I got an order confirmation on the stuff I ordered from Curry's today...FOUR WEEKS til delivery due to holdups at the Canada/US border, so I think I'm going to need to go buy some charcoal locally after all...my figure drawing class will be half over already by the time I get the Curry order! The wonders of modern homeland security, eh! Thankfully, charcoal isn't marked up TOO high here like pastels and such.

don't feel bad, I placed an order over 3 weeks ago and, due to a back to school backlog, it isn't gonna get here til this week (Well, it had better be this week - I'm patient, butonly toa point! :D)

Cori, I had to laugh when I saw this! I wrote an entire article for the Pastel Journal on the color green! (Dawn gave me the idea, whether she meant to or not! LOL) My opening sentence says it all: Red is intense, yellow is cheerful, blue is peaceful, pink is romantic and green is—a problem. I speculate that green is a tough one partly because it's made of warm yellow and cool green in some proportions, though it's complicated by the intensity of the yellow vs. the simple temperature issue. At any rate, I have a few pet greens I simply will not do without again. When I find a good one, I buy six of them!

Lol..it does seem to be a pretty big problem. I love that opening sentence. Is it in a past version of PJ or an upcoming? I'd love to read the whole article!
:)

Deborah Secor
09-14-2004, 07:42 PM
I think it was in the June 2004 issue--but I've lost track! It's called "It's Not Easy Being Green." (Loved the title. I don't write them...)

Funny thing, for the upcoming issue they asked me to write a little blurb from a personal standpoint about the article I submitted and I froze up. Just went blank. :confused: I can write thousands of words about other people, but not about myself! LOL

Deborah

K Taylor-Green
09-14-2004, 08:54 PM
No, no Giraults yet. (Long sigh) Since it is starting to get dark, I guess I can quit looking out the window!

Sooz, If I had to wait that long, I'd be a basket case. I'm still waiting for my first issue of Arabian Horse Times, that Jess got me for my birthday. You know how magizines are.

Khadres
09-14-2004, 09:18 PM
Kate--Well, there IS one bonus to such delayed deliveries...well, two if you count still having something to look forward to. The first, however, is that you'll likely forget you even ordered the stuff and when it does arrive, it's like a surprise package out of the blue! Ah, well, the prices were good and the shipping was free -- even if slowwwwwwww.

Hope you like your Blockx pastels and your Giraults, too. It's always fun trying something new. Be sure and show us what you do with the newbies when you finally get them!

I've been roaming in the plein air forum...just love looking at all their paintings! That's where I saw the Paint 100 thread, as it happens, and am wondering if we should try one here (well, in the soft or oil pastels areas anyway). But if we have it in here, both types could be included and those who do both could tally BOTH efforts in the same 100. Now, I know folks like Deborah and SBJ and Dawn and some notable others could do 100 in the blink of an eye almost, but slow coaches like me would benefit no end by having such a goal. I'd likely set myself a limit of one year to do it in, but there wouldn't HAVE to be a time limit at all, the real idea being to get GOING and be persistent and frequent with our efforts. Wouldn't matter if the paintings were small, large, totally finished, etc., just decent efforts. Couldn't help but learn, I think. Anybody else interested? Maybe we could include the challenge in the Weekly Sketch thread? Those participating could just add the painting number to the top of their posts...simple and fun...ya think?

Deborah Secor
09-14-2004, 11:29 PM
I've been roaming in the plein air forum...just love looking at all their paintings! That's where I saw the Paint 100 thread, as it happens, and am wondering if we should try one here (well, in the soft or oil pastels areas anyway). But if we have it in here, both types could be included and those who do both could tally BOTH efforts in the same 100. Now, I know folks like Deborah and SBJ and Dawn and some notable others could do 100 in the blink of an eye almost, but slow coaches like me would benefit no end by having such a goal. I'd likely set myself a limit of one year to do it in, but there wouldn't HAVE to be a time limit at all, the real idea being to get GOING and be persistent and frequent with our efforts. Wouldn't matter if the paintings were small, large, totally finished, etc., just decent efforts. Couldn't help but learn, I think. Anybody else interested? Maybe we could include the challenge in the Weekly Sketch thread? Those participating could just add the painting number to the top of their posts...simple and fun...ya think?

Sooz--GREAT IDEA!!! Let's do it! Why not? We could make it a thread in Pastel Talk, so anyone who wants to can join in. I think having it separate from the Sketch thread would be better, otherwise things get all muddled up. I'll mosey over to the plein air forum and see how they do things, but let's toss it around in here and see what comes of it. I could surely benefit from this challenge--who wouldn't??? But I'd love to hear from the others if they like the idea as much as I do...

So....whaddaya think???

Deborah

Paula Ford
09-14-2004, 11:33 PM
GREAT IDEA

LET'S DO IT!!

Paula

K Taylor-Green
09-14-2004, 11:34 PM
Well, it's a really good idea, but I have this feeling that by the time I do 100 paintings, I'll be stumbling into the next millinium!! :rolleyes: Even so, all we could do is grow. I know it would do me a world of good. I work like a snail.

Khadres
09-15-2004, 01:20 AM
Kate, you silly! You already put out more work than I do and this will spur you on! Like I say, there doesn't have to be a time limit and it's just a means of setting a goal that will be guaranteed to improve us. Let's face it....even someone who didn't TRY would HAVE to improve if they did almost ANYthing 100 times! :D

I agree in one respect tho...I'm pokey too and this would help me a lot, just knowing I was making progress. I figure if I set myself a year to reach the 100, that's really only about two paintings, any size, per week...SURELY I can manage that! Granted, some may not be great successes, but they'll ALL teach me something useful.

Deborah, I'm surprised you're interested since you do so much work already, but it would be GREAT to have you along with us! The more the merrier and we can help one another when we get stumped now and then. You may be right about a separate thread...I'll leave that to further discussion and we'll see what the consensus is. I just don't want to be the only one doing the sad little #1 painting all by myself! :eek:

Kitty Wallis
09-15-2004, 01:27 AM
I'm in.
This is just the thing to push my intended full time return to art. I've been waylaid by business, health and general miasma. Now I've found my way thru it all and I'm ready.

I don't want to count any charcoal sketches I do in life class. Although I wouldn't mind keeping a separate tally...

Khadres
09-15-2004, 01:36 AM
Cool, Kitty! Good to hear you're warming up your pastel arm afresh! I probably won't include my paltry life class drawings either, altho I might put some in the weekly sketch thread just to show I AM stickin' with it!

I think this will be fun and very productive for everyone involved! I know, for me, it will help do away with that old "ahhh, I'll try to get something done tomorrow" bugaboo.

Kitty Wallis
09-15-2004, 01:41 AM
Yes, I like this idea. It's supportive and I feel I have independent choice.

Deborah Secor
09-15-2004, 01:56 AM
I agree--we can work at our own pace with encouragement. I want to work to shift my focus and doing more work will surely help to accomplish that. The point was made in the plein air thread that it takes 125 paintings to make an improvement! I submit it takes at least 100 to change directions.

Deborah

Khadres
09-15-2004, 02:25 AM
Maybe we can have a "graduate" thread for the extra 25 paintings or something! Right now, I'll be real impressed with myself if I reach the FIRST 25! And it is nice because we can make the work anything we want to in any direction we want just so long as we keep working. I imagine everyone will have slightly different reasons for doing it...the pros especially because just doing that many would be no real problem to them all by itself. I'm trying simply to get in more work time to achieve some headway in mastering the medium and improve my picture-making skills in general. Hopefully, I'll expand on that as I go along!

What are we going to call this new thread? And do we set a start date or just jump in? Who do we need to clear this with, if anybody? Deb, you know all the ins and outs...? Oh, also....should it be a weekly renewable thingy like the scumble and sketch threads? It would get too big if we just let it run forever, wouldn't it? I dunno.

DominicM
09-15-2004, 07:06 AM
Can I just say that I disagree with "it takes 125 to make an improvement", 100 or 125 seems so many/so much work to some one who is fairly novice to see an improvement.

I have now done 79 pictures (pastel/watercolour) since I started in May.
I would say you notice the difference after every dozen or so..

Can I also encourage all who can to partake, and if I get the all clear from the medical folk, I will be joining you, too.

My theory so far is "you get better by "doing", so if you can join in - do...

Khadres
09-15-2004, 08:35 AM
Can I just say that I disagree with "it takes 125 to make an improvement", 100 or 125 seems so many/so much work to some one who is fairly novice to see an improvement.

I have now done 79 pictures (pastel/watercolour) since I started in May.
I would say you notice the difference after every dozen or so..

Can I also encourage all who can to partake, and if I get the all clear from the medical folk, I will be joining you, too.

My theory so far is "you get better by "doing", so if you can join in - do...

Dominic, you're a case in point! 79 painting in less than six months! LOL I've probably done maybe half that since Jan.! No wonder you've improved so much!

I figure anyone wanting to get GOING in their artwork needs to be consistent in their PRACTICE of that art in order to get anywhere....and I'm one of the world's worst about dragging my feet sometimes. I think a good old goal will do me the world of good! I'm one of those folks who can pick up a BAD habit in two hours and keep it forever, but when it comes to a GOOD one....well, you get the idea! And the really rotten part is that I ENJOY painting! Why do I resist doing something I LOVE as often as possible? I'm not afraid of putting in the work to get better, but it's a question of kick starting myself, I guess. I don't know, but I'm going to fix that if it kills me!

And please do join us, if your health allows you to! We'd love to have you!

Kathryn Wilson
09-15-2004, 09:47 AM
I think this is an excellent idea Sooz, and it has worked really well for lots of folks wanting to get a kick start. Let Dee and I get with Carly to see how best to implement this in the forum so that people can find the thread easily when they having something to post to it.

Sooz, are you volunteering to host it each week, or just leave it open for anyone to start it up? Do we want an announcement made? Do we want to make it a weekly thread, so it doesn't get so cumbersome? Is this for soft and oil pastels? Do we want a people to announce they are participating - not sure how this is done in the other forums. Some things to think about.

DominicM
09-15-2004, 01:45 PM
Sooz,

Apologies, I wasn't having a go at you, I notice on reading this again my tone was a bit confrontational.

Yes I have been painting a lot lately, as I have said previously, for me is is theraputic, so I do it to relax and unwind after work, so I try to do a painting each night (doesnt always work that way though :rolleyes: )

I see the specialists 1.30 BST tomorrow, so hopefully they be able to give me some answers.

Khadres
09-15-2004, 02:09 PM
Kat, I can start it each week or we can leave it to whoever....I think it would be good to have a lead-in message like we do for the scumble and sketch weeklies...explaining about it and yes, I think it would be beneficial if each person stated their personal goal and then we should have a method of titling or whatever that tells what the current effort number is out of how many (our goal) so we, as well as others, can see our progress as we go along. and YES BOTH oilie and dusties should be in! I never thought we needed separating anyway! :( And folks like you who do BOTH should certainly get credit for both.

What we need is a catchy thread title which we can add the week's date to and so on. Everybody get their thinkin' caps on!

Khadres
09-15-2004, 02:11 PM
Sooz,

Apologies, I wasn't having a go at you, I notice on reading this again my tone was a bit confrontational.

Yes I have been painting a lot lately, as I have said previously, for me is is theraputic, so I do it to relax and unwind after work, so I try to do a painting each night (doesnt always work that way though :rolleyes: )

I see the specialists 1.30 BST tomorrow, so hopefully they be able to give me some answers.

NO apologies needed....I understood where you were coming from! Let's just hope your doctors give you a green light now! Would be such fun to see you take part in whatever capacity you're allowed to! Good luck!

Khadres
09-15-2004, 02:14 PM
On a different note, I had a nice email from Mikki last night; she really has come down with one of those awful bugs that kinda makes one wish they were....if not dead, close! I hope they actually got to leave for home this morning...like she says, being sick is bad enough, but worse when you're away from the comforts of home!

I'm just hoping that have a safe and speedy trip. Gary and I had such FUN visiting with her and John and really hope they get to visit again next year. Two really wonderful people!

Anyway, let's wish her a big GET WELL QUICK, MIKKI!

Kitty Wallis
09-15-2004, 08:48 PM
I've been thinking about how to help people be experimental. I think the worst fault of the early years of artistic development is the overwhelming urge to make each piece good/finished/admirable. People have a hard time wasting materials, making mistakes, editing out the not so good ones; giving themselves a break and playing.

I knew a ceramics teacher in the hills of Santa Cruz who ran intensive workshops. People came for long periods and were allowed to choose just one piece to take home. The rest were destroyed.

I'm not suggesting anything like so stringent an attitude. But the anecdote serves to make my point. I have often told my life drawing students not to cherish their drawings, but to forget about keeping them. To regard them as shavings on the floor of the woodshop. What's turning on the lathe is our developing ability. THAT is to cherish. THAT is important enough to waste reams of paper, make hundreds of mistakes; to do whatever it takes to find our way thru the unknown to our inner voice and our trained ability.

Any ideas for implementing this further 'point of excellence'?

SweetBabyJ
09-15-2004, 09:50 PM
Yes, more "victim paper"


Really- it's so much easier on your paper because if we screw it up, well, we screw it up- no loss, just hose it off and try again, or something new. And after a long session and lots of works, it's not so wrenching to say "Not this one, or this one, and this one is weak here" and set them aside, because we know we can either a) rework it, or b) hose it off and try again.

But then, I don't really understand getting attached to the paintings. While working, I am involved- intimate- but once it is done- it's done. Then I can say "Hey! That's really good!" or the opposite, but either way, I'm no longer intimate with it.

I dunno- maybe it's because I had to find my way on my own for so long- it's been easy to say "Well, I see what I was trying to do, but I surely didn't do it" and let it go. And those that succeeded in some way, shoot- I gave a lot of those away: "You like that? Here- you can have it". Those I sold were a nice bonus- gravy- "Wow! And I got money, too!" Possibly that's because I felt it fell short of what I *should've* been able to do (I kinda hold a high standard up for myself) but also because I was done with it- it needed a home now.

I guess I just feel like a steward to these pieces- not a parent, not a spouse- just someone who brings 'em out and then lets them go into the world.



How do you encourage that attitude? HellifIknow. S'pose a few twenty years of having to say "Hello/Good-bye" helps, though.

Khadres
09-15-2004, 09:59 PM
Kitty, this is exactly what I'm after with our Goals project (I use the word project for want of a better word, but I don't mean the WC type PROJECT project but rather a recurring monthly thread where we post our progress pieces, good, bad and indifferent WITHOUT fear of ridicule, but WITH the assurance that it's all part of learning and the others in the group will put forth the effort to see, if at all possible, the positive outcome of each endeavor. After discussion with several others here, I've decided that this new thread will be a NON CRITIQUE area....participants are more than welcome to make supportive comments...and are encouraged to do so, but unless the artist ASKS for a critique and copies the work in question to the appropriate Studio for this purpose, let's try our best to keep the negativity at bay. I want everyone in the group to feel free to try ANYTHING and FAIL at it without fear of failing. Does that make sense? This is to be a self-challenge situation, not a place anyone will be judged.

That being said, I agree with Kitty that this could be the very place to try new techniques, new ideas, new subjects, etc. and be willing to leave them as experiments we learned from. So they might even wind up in the trash bin; so what? Paper and pastels aren't THAT expensive that we can't use them to stretch ourselves a little! I've been one of the world's worst at wanting everything I do to be a "success". I hate to waste paper or canvas, but hey! I have plenty of Wallis now and I can wash the last mess I made down the sink...won't cost me a thing! I'm hoping to have a lot of fun and hope others do too! Just be aware, some of what I post will be pretty bad from time to time...but this thread won't be for those whose work is always perfect. Forgive me my lopsided dooblehatchet and I'll forgive you that poor man's outsized ears!

I'll be REAL happy if I do make 100 ptgs. in a year, but I'll also be REAL happy if maybe ten are worth keeping! I, for one, am tired of always playing it safe!

ANYWAY....stay tuned! The new adventure is about to begin! Warm up your sketch books, dust off your pastels! With luck, we're about to go where none of us have been before!

SweetBabyJ
09-15-2004, 10:01 PM
ummmm... I gotta add something here, though

For me, it isn't simply about "practicing" and turning out pieces by the numbers just to fulfill some goal which is geared at practice. Please understand, I am not saying practice is not necessary- quite the opposite, but I think doing a piece just to fulfill some goal of "practice" is rather like reading a book just to write a book report. The goal has to be to GAIN from each piece, even if all that is gained is "Don't try this at home" or similar.

Plus, there is technique, artistry, involved in the work- and it is that technique, that artistry, which needs to be "practiced"- and before one can practice, one must study a bit. *shrug* Those still lifes I've done had to be done IN THAT TECHNIQUE, in the way I did them, or they'd've not have the impact. No one can do a "Barb Noonan-type" portrait using blending by finger or tool- because that isn't the technique which yields those results. So having some kind of idea in mind, some kind of syllabus for yourself, will only help you reach your goal of "gain" out of all that "practice".

Why'dya think I'm "practicing" landscapes?

Khadres
09-15-2004, 10:23 PM
I suppose I should've mentioned all that before but sort of assumed it was understood. Obviously, just cranking out junk to be satisfying a goal would be a waste of time. It would also be boring and of little use to the artist. But perhaps I should've explained...the number is just that...an arbitrary yard stick we each set for ourselves. My personal problem has been making the time to WORK, hence I have much less to show for this past year than some of you. But, no, I wouldn't have gained much by running down to my studio and frittering away an hour on some doodle or another. The goal of 100 I set for myself is meant to include true efforts to learn something I don't already know, to expand my techniques, and polish what skills I do have. That doesn't mean a good many of them won't wind up dross washed away in the back yard, tho. Sometimes it takes me a few tries to achieve what I'm after. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that those tries are worth noting too.


ummmm... I gotta add something here, though

For me, it isn't simply about "practicing" and turning out pieces by the numbers just to fulfill some goal which is geared at practice. Please understand, I am not saying practice is not necessary- quite the opposite, but I think doing a piece just to fulfill some goal of "practice" is rather like reading a book just to write a book report. The goal has to be to GAIN from each piece, even if all that is gained is "Don't try this at home" or similar.

Plus, there is technique, artistry, involved in the work- and it is that technique, that artistry, which needs to be "practiced"- and before one can practice, one must study a bit. *shrug* Those still lifes I've done had to be done IN THAT TECHNIQUE, in the way I did them, or they'd've not have the impact. No one can do a "Barb Noonan-type" portrait using blending by finger or tool- because that isn't the technique which yields those results. So having some kind of idea in mind, some kind of syllabus for yourself, will only help you reach your goal of "gain" out of all that "practice".

Why'dya think I'm "practicing" landscapes?

prestonsega
09-15-2004, 10:53 PM
"People have a hard time wasting materials" - Kitty

This is so true...I have to remind myself that it is only dead trees and dirt! :D

prestonsega
09-15-2004, 11:00 PM
"Really- it's so much easier on your paper because if we screw it up, well, we screw it up- no loss, just hose it off and try again, or something new."-SBJ

While this is very true, I can see this as a draw back ......particularly to the new artists ( No offense Kitty),...I wonder how many great works of art will never be seen or how much learning will not occur, simply because an artist gets frustrated at some point and "hoses off" the support when the going gets tough and won't face the challenge head on.( Someone's got to play devil's advocate :evil: )

SweetBabyJ
09-15-2004, 11:07 PM
Good point- I've got some ratty Canson around somewhere- full-sheets- you want 'em?

Kathryn Wilson
09-15-2004, 11:18 PM
Kitty - you hit the nail on the head - and I for one am guilty of all those things and I intend to work on stopping those blocks to creativity.

I think Sooz has an excellent idea - that we need to just be able to post our work and not fear criticism. If we want to go off into totally new territory, then we can. We certainly cannot grow without failure or practice to see what works and what doesn't work. This Thread will not be about #'s - it will be about goals - to get us to work consistently. Each one of us will set a goal and when we reach it we can share it with others through this Thread.

I still think of each of my paintings as something of myself - how can I give up or destroy something that is of "me" - do I need to get over that? I did get brave a few months ago and went through my collection of paintings that I did over the last year and threw out the trash - but there were still others I did not have that hard a heart to destroy - I remember some of the struggles and the learning that went on in doing them, so I think of them as references.

Khadres
09-15-2004, 11:20 PM
LOL...so right, Preston! Back years ago when I worked in oils, I used to literally seize up in front of a nice pristine canvas. Granted, I was on a tighter budget then, and stretched canvases were never all THAT cheap, but it took a long time for me to get over the worry about "wasting" supplies. Then one day I was digging through my supply closet and realized I had MASSES of new canvases just sitting there taking up space! How dumb was THAT? LOL

Khadres
09-15-2004, 11:23 PM
Shoot, SBJ, I was hoping to send my Canson stash to YOU! :evil:

prestonsega
09-15-2004, 11:23 PM
Heck yes!!!!! Send them to me!!!l My address is
1234 SE Same Street :D

Unlike many of you, I had the luxury of learning pastels on a sanded surface...LaCarte, Ersta, and Wallis. For a workshop with Wendy Caporale, I needed Canson, so I ordered many sheets in a variety of colors. Now I am learning to appreciate it. It does force me to think out each stroke, pre-plan, re-think, and look and study the work in progress rather than build up layer on layer blindly...Don't get me wrong...Wallis is definately my favorite support, and the only one I would use for a commision work...but I am simply saying, other supports have their place in the pastel world also.

Khadres
09-15-2004, 11:38 PM
Heck yes!!!!! Send them to me!!!l My address is
1234 SE Same Street :D

Unlike many of you, I had the luxury of learning pastels on a sanded surface...LaCarte, Ersta, and Wallis. For a workshop with Wendy Caporale, I needed Canson, so I ordered many sheets in a variety of colors. Now I am learning to appreciate it. It does force me to think out each stroke, pre-plan, re-think, and look and study the work in progress rather than build up layer on layer blindly...Don't get me wrong...Wallis is definately my favorite support, and the only one I would use for a commision work...but I am simply saying, other supports have their place in the pastel world also.

LOL...I agree...I've seen BEAUTIFUL work done on all sorts of paper...even brown grocery bags! I've used my share of Canson, and still do for sketching out ideas...but I figure I'm gettin' along in years here and why should I fight with the paper I'm using when I don't have to? Trouble is, I still have tons of the stuff from when I had my art supply shop eons ago...I suppose I'll finally use it all up, but.... would that it was nice juicy sheets of Wallis, instead!

SweetBabyJ
09-16-2004, 12:45 AM
You know, I don't wanna rain on y'all's parade, but we already have a weekly sketch thread which is TERRIFIC for trying out ideas- no one said a piece had to be completed, or that you couldn't show one hour blocks of work, and we definately encourage works to migrate out to the wider forum for more comments if that's merited.

Plus, Deborah's ESP threads are all about practicing and learning- new techniques, new ways of seeing, new things to try- and there's no reason such "practicing" and learning cannot be done through that thread. In fact, that thread seems to me to be THE place for what you're talking about. It's a pastel course, given for free, by a premier pastelist.

Just seems you're maybe starting yet another "sticky" thread (whether it is "stickied" or not), which, no matter how many people say "Yes! Let's do this!" are going to soon let slide, rather than participate- just like the weekly sketch thread.

Kitty Wallis
09-16-2004, 01:04 AM
I disagree, Julie, this is different. I can get behind this but hesitate to participate in the sketch thread, I don't know why. Also, I realize Deborah's lessons are not meant for me. They are very good for people getting familiar with the medium and with composition concepts, not my cup of tea.

This idea, of the 100 paintings, means I can wholeheartedly participate with folks on all levels and remain true to my own path at the same time. I don't care of this sounds elitist. It's true.

No matter how far along we are in our development we all have to keep working. That's one thing we all have in common.

SweetBabyJ
09-16-2004, 01:24 AM
Understand- and I see the good which can come from this- but, unless things pick up a whole lot again in the winter, I think it will become another "weekly sketch thread"- and some weeks, no one will bother with starting it at all...


Your reasoning doesn't sound the least bit elitist- while your path may be different, it's as valid as mine: hour long sketches don't do much for me but make me wish I'd taken my time. The ESP threads give me a kind of confirmation and terminology, and sometimes let me see there's a "fix" for what I thought of as a problem with an idea. But, landscapes just don't trip my trigger (or, at least, not the one I want tripped), so I have to twist all of the information to fit my style, my vision.

Be nice to see your work in this context, though- and nice to see the journey everyone takes.

Kitty Wallis
09-16-2004, 02:00 AM
This may be part of it:

I'm working very hard right now to rekindle my art passion. I've begun to see that I lost it by straying from my path. I think I've found the way to get back. To become more inner-directed. This 100 paintings idea supports that. I can dig around in my own soup, looking for the stuff that means the most to me.

Other projects here on WC have all seemed more outer-directed, not what I need right now. I've wished for some way to participate in the part I want, Support to paint. I like this one.

Deborah Secor
09-16-2004, 02:08 AM
You may end up being right, Julie, the new goals thread my die a natural death, and if so, so be it. However, I have to agree with Kitty--none of us is in the exact same place but we still share the road. I say let's give it a try.

All day today I've been thinking about what I want to do...what goal I'll set for myself...what I think may need to begin to happen in my pantings now. I'd love to share that experience with my friends, people who will urge me to keep going, or, better yet, INSPIRE me with what they're doing. I need the motivation of this idea. For now. Maybe just for a push start. Maybe for a while.

You know, there's a time when turning out those 100 practice pieces is very instructive. I know one painter whose teacher remarked in class one day that you have to do 100 paintings before you improve and she decided right then and there to do it! Months later I walked into her studio and she had a whole wall full of 10x10" paintings, in sequential order. The increase in technique, thought, variation and finally focus was amazing! Her last 10 were far more successful paintings than her first 10. I don't know if she would get that much out of doing this same exercise now, but at that point it was wonderful for her to churn out paintings. She needed the practice! That goal was her motivator.

So I wouldn't dismiss making 25 actual practice paintings as a legitimate goal for some, any more than I'd dismiss making 25 paintings in a particular style or taking them to a particular degree of quality for others. (One man's junk is another man's treasure...) :wink2:

Deborah

Khadres
09-16-2004, 02:19 AM
I think Kitty and Deborah have understood the intent I had for this very well. This is all about PERSONAL achievement without time limits, and without worrying about someone else's judgements about what one's doing. I hope it will be a thread where we CAN enJOY what we're doing without so much regard as to "will it sell?", "will so and so like it or not", or "what awful thing did I do wrong this time", etc. I hope it's a place to play and experiment and find the spark it's so easy to lose sometimes. The weekly sketch thread is great for one-off sketches and ideas done quickly and occasionally, but I'm after something a bit more ongoing...a kind of journey, I guess, that connects from one week or month to the next. The idea of sharing that journey with others is based on the fact that it's always more enlightening and just plain fun to have a few companions along on a trip!

Obviously, this will NOT be a mandatory participation thing; folks who don't believe in its value need not apply and there'll be no hard feelings either way. And if it withers away....well, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Kathryn Wilson
09-16-2004, 07:19 AM
You know, I don't wanna rain on y'all's parade, but we already have a weekly sketch thread which is TERRIFIC for trying out ideas- no one said a piece had to be completed, or that you couldn't show one hour blocks of work, and we definately encourage works to migrate out to the wider forum for more comments if that's merited.

Plus, Deborah's ESP threads are all about practicing and learning- new techniques, new ways of seeing, new things to try- and there's no reason such "practicing" and learning cannot be done through that thread. In fact, that thread seems to me to be THE place for what you're talking about. It's a pastel course, given for free, by a premier pastelist.

Just seems you're maybe starting yet another "sticky" thread (whether it is "stickied" or not), which, no matter how many people say "Yes! Let's do this!" are going to soon let slide, rather than participate- just like the weekly sketch thread.

Sorry Julie, I disagree with this also. I don't see those threads as being a place to accomplish the goals being sought here. The sketch thread is for one hour sketches - so what happens if you want to spend more time, say a week on a painting, then the sketch thread doesn't fit. The ESP thread is for specific assignments to be done - it's not a practice thread and not an experimental painting thread - so I don't think this goal-oriented project would fit there either.

If people participate in this "project" (want for a better word), it will be a long on-going thread with monthly updates. The only way it will slip is if the people who are participating in it drop it themselves. So, I say give them a venue to share what they are doing and it may inspire others to do the same.

prestonsega
09-16-2004, 08:06 AM
I can see how this new project could support the sketch thread...prepatory sketches .ideas on paper, thumbnails, meet the criteria of the sketch thread if they are under an hour. ...a symbiotic relationship if you will ( you know I am goint to advertise!!! :evil: )

pjo
09-16-2004, 11:29 AM
I've been listening in here and am ready to add my two cents worth too. I personally would like to participate in a 100 painting thread. As someone who for the last 5 years typically produced only 4 or 5 paintings a year, and since joining WC about 5 or 6 months ago, have increased that to maybe 20 paintings in a much shorter time, have seen my work grow and I hope mature more.

Part of the reasons I like the WDE's is that I just plan to paint for a set time and plan to really try to complete the painting or close to. I think this has helped me to really "see" what is important and to focus on what I want to communicate in my paintings. I've participated in a sorta similar concept where I try to read thru the Bible in 1 year, usually it take me longer than 1 year, more like 1 1/2 years, but I've set a goal to strive for. It gives me direction, commitment and places importance on the things I believe are important. Often in life we let so many other things take precedence over the important things, and goal setting helps me to focus. I personally don't quite know where I'm going with my art and am hoping this ongoing thread will help me see my works in a different way. I really like the idea of keeping the paintings (either in digis or IRL) and seeing the difference between the first 10 and last 10, and to look back to see the paths I've taken and observe others at the same time. Sooo, count me in too.

Mikki Petersen
09-16-2004, 12:13 PM
Hello from the edge...of Colorado and Utah...heading home with what appears to be a sinus infection.

I think what makes the hundred paintings idea different is COMMITMENT to doing it. Some will fade because that is what they do. Some will fade because they loose interest. Some will fade because of life intrusions. BUT, some will stick it out and grow. Since October, 2002, I have over 250 paintings (most of them uuuggglllyyy!) and I believe I have really learned a lot. My committment is to paint every day, even if it's only for a half hour. On the road, it's been more like sketching but even that has been great learning. I also find that by committing to sitting down and doing something for even a brief span of time, it becomes a habit that is greatly missed if skipped.

The sketch thread requires no commitment. Drop in if you wish...but it could be of value to people who decide to commit to that. I, personally, am put off by the time restriction since fast painting is no goal for me...I savor the journey and am in no hurry. It is a good place to explore and do exercises and get the feel of the pastel medium for newbies.

I think just sitting down to paint frequently in whatever capacity is going to create growth. More importantly, it pushes me, anyway, to get back to work when I am in a slump. It's interesting how I can DRAG myself into the studio with no more interst than fulfilling an obligation and emmerge hours later with a feeling of satisfaction with what I accomplished.

I was invloved in the "one Painting a Week" project where many people dropped out (over 100 signed up). The problem with that project was more trying to keep up with all the paintings and comments in one single thread. With slow dial-up access to the internet, it reached a point where I can't even load the entries! The idea of a monthly thread seems much more manageable.

What I'm saying here, in my long winded way, is DO IT!

Now for my travel log: We drove the scenic route yesterday through the most sensational fall colors! Then when we got on Hwy 70, we drove through a section called Glenwood Canyon that was simply spectacular...like driving through the bottom of the Grand Canyon. Literally since this canyon is also made by the Colorado River. Unfortunately, the experience was at 75mph with NO scenic overlooks and only one rest stop so we have very few photos. :crying:

Happy painting!

Mikki Petersen
09-16-2004, 12:27 PM
BTW, I was concerned as I read all the comments about the references to "non-threatening place to post paintings". I'm not sure what people are worried about. Is the critquing getting too intense? If so, simply state you just want to show your work and would prefer if there were no critique. I love the critiquing and consider it part of the learning experience but I take it with a grain of salt.

Anyway, that led me to think there sould be guidelines for this 100 paintings thread. It's already been mentioned that participants should state a goal...one goal for the year? one goal each month? What about the comments? Should we limit them to comments that fit with the participant's goal? I'm sure there are other considerations but we need to address people feeling "threatened" as that is not conducive to a healthy growing environment.

DominicM
09-16-2004, 12:31 PM
I have just got back from the hospital after seeing the specialist, he was saying if I had polyps in my nasal cavity as my doctor suspected they have shrunk in the time I have been waiting (or by prayer), which is good news.

The down side is that he has no idea why my breathing appears still to be declining :confused: :confused: :confused: , and when I cited a recent London trip as example, he checked some things on the computer and has changed my medication again, and has advised me to not use soft pastels for a further 2 months. ( :mad: :mad: :mad: :evil: :crying: )

He said he doesn’t really expect the new medication to make a huge difference, which was disappointing, but he has referred me to another specialist using some fancy Latin names I did not understand, hopefully the letter when it arrives will make more sense...

Whilst not happy, and feeling again like the proverbial guinea pig, at least this leaves a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.

As before I will continue to lurk in the background, and pop in from time to time.. Dont rule me out of the 100 painting challenge yet though.. if you will be accepting late entries

Khadres
09-16-2004, 12:40 PM
Wow, glad to see so much enthusiasm for the goal-focused thread! I'm happy others can see its potential and look forward to trying this concept out. I'm doing the intro now and when I open the thread, I hope those taking part will let me know if we need any fine-tuning done right away. We may just want to let it ride for a month or two and then we can fine tune; I know every new project has glitches and I'm SURE we'll find out what they are pretty quickly! :D

Mikki, I'm glad you enjoyed the sights...and yes, Colorado is the worlld's WORST about giving the visitor places to stop and enjoy the view! Did you get a chance to stop at the Firefighter's Memorial at Storm King Mountain in Glendwood Spgs.? That is quite a place, dedicated to all those young forest fire fighters who died about ten years ago fighting a big fire near there. A beautiful memorial on the banks of the Colorado. I hope that sinus infection thing gets better SOON and I know y'all will be happy to make it HOME at last! We sure enjoyed our visit on Monday! Hurry back!

Pjo, I think you definitely have the right idea...goals are good...even if one doesn't quite meet the goal in the allotted time, the accomplishment is worth the effort! Or even if one doesn't make it to the total goal, the impulse can't help but support growth. Glad to know you'll be joining the adventure!

prestonsega
09-16-2004, 12:41 PM
Not to change the subject but......I forgot to mention that the I have an appointment tomorrow with the local newspaper editor to be interviewed for an article about me and my upcomig show!!!!....with so much going on, that sorta slipped my mind.......and folks are still telling me they saw me painting in the park Saturday!!!!! I love the fall...things seem to fall into place easier at this time of year.

SweetBabyJ
09-16-2004, 12:43 PM
Y'all can disagree with me- s'okay- I disagree with you, so we're even. I think what you want to do is admirable, more than that, I think it laudable- but I also think it's like joining a gym en masse: Everyone starts out hip-hip-hooray, and by the second month, the group is half-size, by the third the last two stubborn holdouts are beginning to look at each other in embarassment because they're still wondering what happened to the others but no one wants to say anything and so soon they just stop going, too.

I think just this discussion has merit- that people are thinking now about a goal, about what they want of themselves as an artist; I know it's been peeping out of the corners of my mind for a few weeks now, waving at me, and then going back into its safe place. Sometimes it seems like I make split-second decisions, but really what I've been doing is letting my mind do its job without me interfering, and presenting me with its demands- works for me, anyway.

But- here's where I get stuck on this idea: Right now, everyone is enthusiastic, flushed with the positive vibes, determined to see it through. And others will be nurtured off that enthusiasm, and their own will grow. And right now there's people saying "I'll do it- we'll take turns- we can have a round robin of hosting" and all- which is GREAT! But what happens in a month or two when people start dropping out (because they will- it happens, it's life), and the enthusiasm quotient goes down, and the support each person was getting wanes to the same level seen in weekly sketch thread now? NOT meeting a personal goal can be very difficult on the ego- there is a sense of failure which can cripple a person. How committed is everyone to this so that others who are depending upon this camaraderie to help them reach their goals don't fail? S'pose I'm saying watch what it is you promise others, too- especially those who are floundering a bit in the first place.

Well, a personal goal is just that- personal- and if you really want to meet your goal, you will, no matter how much or little cheering you get. But, I think it is sad, kinda wrong, when individuals are given an idea based upon support, and then that support falters. And how does a "no critique zone" make you grow? How do you know if you were successful in this growth if you refuse to hear where you missed the mark?

It isn't that I don't want to have goals, or that I don't think others should; quite the contrary. I suppose I'm saying make sure you know exactly what your goal *is*- and that whether people here support it or not cannot matter to you. It's your goal, and with or without a "thread", you have to reach it yourself.



Welp, I'm doing one last load of laundry and busily "packing" in my mind- constant little "don't forgets" (remember to take the ThermaCare heating thingies- like that) and leave late this afternoon for Vancouver. Mapquested from the RV park down to Yamhill Street- have to hope a.m. traffic isn't as bad as I fear and that what *should* be a 15 minute trek doesn't turn into a 90 minute nightmare. Have a few water pics in case, but none are clamoring "paint ME!!", which may or may not be good. Keeping a weather eye, can't be sure yet what'll happen since once it starts raining, all prudent weather people here forecast rain on general principles and then if it's sunny, people feel blessed and surprised. (Don't forget the d*mned dog's collar- he hates it, but you'll never be able to drag his fat butt back into the RV without a logging chain attached).

Y'all be well, please understand I am not trying to be discouraging, so much as give people an opportunity to really THINK before they jump on this bandwagon- what is being discussed takes a whole lot more commitment than simply saying "Sure- I'll do it!" you know? See you next week- with LOTS of pics (I hope), a whole bunch of new pastel colours and another 27 pounds of Wallis paper and prolly a split palette of moist pastels....


Bye!! :wave:

(geeeez! Remember the camera battery recharger thingie!!)

Khadres
09-16-2004, 12:48 PM
As before I will continue to lurk in the background, and pop in from time to time.. Dont rule me out of the 100 painting challenge yet though.. if you will be accepting late entries

You're ALWAYS welcome, in active OR lurk mode! I'm just so sorry you're still having so much trouble! I, too, have breathing problems and I know it's very distressing at times. I just hope the doctors find a successful way to treat your problem and restore you to full health! It's not like breathing is optional, huh?

One thing I've been wanting to try and haven't gotten around to yet is watercolor underpainted oil pastels. So far, I haven't had much luck with OPs, but had thought that perhaps underpainting might help. If you get the chance, you might give that a try, just to keep your hand in the pastel pie a bit. Also, maybe you could take part in the challenge with watercolor sketches you PLAN to do one day in pastels? We could live with that, I think! That would meet the criteria of setting goals and working toward them, after all!

Take care of yourself! We worry about ya!

Kathryn Wilson
09-16-2004, 12:54 PM
Dominic - that is not good news! But it sounds like there is a glimmer of hope.

May I make a suggestion? Try oil pastels while you are waiting for the go ahead on soft pastels - at least you will be doing something. A goodly number of folks in the OP forum are using them for the same reason - their health could not tolerate the dust.

Just a thought!

Khadres
09-16-2004, 12:59 PM
Well, SBJ, like I said before, nothing ventured, nothing gained! I'm trying NOT to expect too much of the others who join me, but I'm hoping I can stick it out...I need this commitment for myself and will enjoy having others along for the ride who feel the same as I do. If they all fall by the wayside due to various issues, I certainly won't hold it against them! I just have a problem with what WAS my usual outlook on things same as you....don't venture into this things because it MIGHT not work! I've done that far too often in my life and I need a change in my thinking. Had I made this kind of commitment years and years ago, heaven only knows where I'd be now. Life's short and I gotta begin getting the good stuff out of it NOW!

And yes, take LOTS of pictures on your trip and make LOTS of gorgeous new pastels! I'd love to be there too! You'll find Kitty a true inspiration, too. Just wish I could've taken her color class at Santa Fe as well as the pastel making one! And here's a HINT: Take every apron/coverup you own with you so you can change 'em out between pigment shifts and do NOT wear clothes you'll mind ruining too much! I did manage to get the yellow pigment out of my blue T shirt, but it wasn't easy!

More importantly, have fun!

bnoonan
09-16-2004, 01:11 PM
I personally love the idea of anything we propose… 100 – 1000 paintings ! Or sketch threads or whatever encourages us to paint, draw, sketch or indulge our art love. Participate if you want - don't if you don't... but here's something that has helped me for years.... It's as good as WC!

This was a gift from a friend when I wasn't sure how to start in art...

The book is “Art and Fear” Observations on the Perils (and rewards) of ARTMAKING by David Bayles and Ted Orland

The chapter is Fear about Yourself and the section is “Perfection”

“The ceramics teacher announced on opening day that he was dividing the class into 2 groups. All those on the left side of the studio, he said, would be graded solely on the Quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its Quality. His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would bring in his bathroom scales and weigh the work of the “quantity” group: 50 pounds of pots got an “A”, 40 pound of pots got a “B”, and so on. Those being graded on “quality”, however, needed to produce only one pot – albeit a perfect one – to get an “A”. Well, came grading time and a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the “quantity” group was busily churning out piles of work – and learning from their mistakes – the “quality” group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end, had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay.”


So I say... paint and play and choose whatever method makes you work!


Barb

Khadres
09-16-2004, 01:18 PM
Great insight, Barb! And you've summed up what I'm hoping for in a nutshell! We don't get anywhere except by DOING whatever it is. So far, all that's gotten ME is a big rear end! I'm determined to change that!

PS: That sounds like a wonderful book for the Book and Video Reviews thread! (heaven knows where that's buried now, but a search will turn it up.)

Kathryn Wilson
09-16-2004, 01:55 PM
BTW, I was concerned as I read all the comments about the references to "non-threatening place to post paintings". I'm not sure what people are worried about. Is the critquing getting too intense? If so, simply state you just want to show your work and would prefer if there were no critique. I love the critiquing and consider it part of the learning experience but I take it with a grain of salt.

Mikki, I think we were thinking along the lines of - if the artist is experimenting with new ideas and new paths to explore, and the critiquing gets too heavy, that can be discouraging to those who have been too timid to try new things. This way they can post whatever they come up with and not worry about how it looks to someone else. If they want a critique, they can cross-post it in a new thread in the applicable forum.

Khadres
09-16-2004, 02:53 PM
Not to change the subject but......I forgot to mention that the I have an appointment tomorrow with the local newspaper editor to be interviewed for an article about me and my upcomig show!!!!....with so much going on, that sorta slipped my mind.......and folks are still telling me they saw me painting in the park Saturday!!!!! I love the fall...things seem to fall into place easier at this time of year.

Wow, Preston! You're becoming quite the local celebrity! What fun! Remember we knew you back when....and be sure to let us know when you're going to be on the Today and/or Jay Leno shows! :clap:

DominicM
09-16-2004, 03:00 PM
THanks for your thoughts/prayers

Try oil pastels

Am considering this, will be in Sacramento in October, so might wait until there and buy, will save $$$$$ in paying US prices.

Failing this, I think Sooz Idea of underpainting and a bit of pastel might be a good idea, I need to see what $ price is, or wait for Santa... :D

Kathryn Day
09-16-2004, 03:20 PM
I think, for me, having a goal of completing 100 paintings would give me the motivation to paint more, whether it be good, bad or ugly. I find myself always fearful to start the next one and it takes days to talk myself into getting started. I think I need to read that book, Barb. lol. Once I start, I love the process, and am not so worried about the end product. I guess it is an age thing, but I will not give up my art now. I will follow it wherever it will lead me. So, add me on.

Khadres
09-16-2004, 03:37 PM
Katy, glad you'll be along! I agree, having a goal seems to help motivate me a lot. I've got my first life drawing class tonight (yikes!), something I've wanted to do for years but never got around to. That's part of my goal too...to start working on my drawing skills again (I had a portrait type "head" painting course way back when and that's been it so far). I think it was watercolorist Joe Bohler (sp?) who once told us that he gets up every single day, rain or shine, and DRAWS from life for at least a half hour, sometimes more, while he has his morning coffee....and it sure showed in his work. If it wasn't him, I'm sure he'd agree with the sentiment, in any case...has been so long ago and my memory for faces and names is just AWFUL at best!

I won't be counting my class efforts as part of my 100 since they won't be paintings, but I'm determined to pursue this chance at a class.

The name of the Goals game is GROWTH...and I really don't see how we can fail at that, whether we reach quite 100 or not! Just trying is worth a lot.

prestonsega
09-16-2004, 04:19 PM
and be sure to let us know when you're going to be on the Today and/or Jay Leno shows!


lol..I would settle for the morning farm report!!!!!!! :D

OH incase you haven't already done it..check out Sooz submission to this weeks sketch thread!!!

Khadres
09-17-2004, 01:15 AM
Wow! I just got home from my first life drawing class and I'm totally EXHAUSTED!!! Nobody told me what a workout DRAWING can be! I felt like I was in FOOTBALL practice or something! ONE minute poses! TWO minute poses! FIVE minute ones (which by then seemed three hours long after the shorter ones!) TWENTY minutes ones where you find yourself digging a deeper and deeper hole in your newsprint and hoping you'll disappear into it! Holy Toledo, I'm AWFUL at this! We had this gorgeous golden Aphrodite type model and I kept makin' her look like a TOAD with a bun! WHAT have I gotten myself into!?!?!

Somebody tell me I made a mistake and don't need to go back next week! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

prestonsega
09-17-2004, 01:44 AM
Somebody tell me I made a mistake and don't need to go back next week! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Wow..who lit a fire under your pallate???? I can tell you are a fall person like me ...Yes..you made a mistake because you waited so long to go )(this from someone who has been finding excuses not to attend weekly live model drawing sessions on a town 45 mi away for a year now)

...I got a challenge for you,,but it has to wait till mid october.....I will go if you will go and we can secretly share our experiences,,,,,when I was in school back in the dark ages here in the bible belt,,our models wore bathing suits....hard to see the female body through a black one piece... and to be honest I think the male model stored his socks in his...lol

Kitty Wallis
09-17-2004, 01:49 AM
Right on! :clap: :clap: One, you are exhausted, Perfect, you are doing it exactly right! Two, you found the time dilation right away.

Have you seen Nicholaides' 'Natural Way To Draw'? It's eloquent and has something for everyone, no matter how much they already know. It's a text book for life drawing.

Wow! I just got home from my first life drawing class and I'm totally EXHAUSTED!!! Nobody told me what a workout DRAWING can be! I felt like I was in FOOTBALL practice or something! ONE minute poses! TWO minute poses! FIVE minute ones (which by then seemed three hours long after the shorter ones!) TWENTY minutes ones where you find yourself digging a deeper and deeper hole in your newsprint and hoping you'll disappear into it! Holy Toledo, I'm AWFUL at this! We had this gorgeous golden Aphrodite type model and I kept makin' her look like a TOAD with a bun! WHAT have I gotten myself into!?!?!

Somebody tell me I made a mistake and don't need to go back next week! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Deborah Secor
09-17-2004, 01:51 AM
LOL Sooz! Hang in there. You'll improve...with practice! You haven't made a mistake and you need to go back next week. :p It is mentally exhausting doing something so unfamiliar, isn't it? I know it isn't exactly the same, so forgive the analogy, but when I used to teach my horse something new he always sweat tons more than when I ran him through what he already knew. I could work him twice as hard on the old stuff and he'd never get as worked up as he did learning the new things... It's hard work using parts of the brain.

Preston, an article--wow! That's great. You will soon be (if you aren't already) the locally famous arteest! Today the local paper, tomorrow the Pastel Journal... :wave:

Sorry to hear you aren't all set to dive back into pastels, Dominic, but I hope the new meds help even more! If not, you might try OPs, as Kat suggested. Keep touching base with us, nonetheless.

My brother- and sister-in-law live in an apartment right on Mobile Bay. I saw footage and it doesn't look good. They evacuated, thank goodness, but I wonder how bad it will be when they return. It brought back memories of driving along the Gulf coast in 1969 right after hurricane Camille hit. Boats tangled in fallen trees, big empty lots with nothing but a foundation and a splintered building littering next door, that kind of thing. :crying: All those beautiful trees!

Betcha Julie's gone already but here's hoping she has a blast and learns a ton with Kitty! I'm green with envy!! :envy:

I painted today--three little ones that I did as a demo in my class on how different ground colors affect paintings. I did some yellow aspens, one on yellow, one on dark red-violet, and one on the split complement, a bright red-orange. Fun and fast. I'll stick them into the sketch thread tomorrow sometime, Preston!

Off to bed. For the last two nights I've stayed up till midnight--on Tuesday painting that dratted still life <mumble, grumble..> which tied me in knots and kept me from resting, and last night I painted and hung out here too long! So now I'm actually hitting the sack. Less than 6 hours sleep each for two nights is NOT ENOUGH for me. <yawn>

Deborah

Khadres
09-17-2004, 01:56 AM
Right on! :clap: :clap: One, you are exhausted, Perfect, you are doing it exactly right! Two, you found the time dilation right away.

Have you seen Nicholaides' 'Natural Way To Draw'? It's eloquent and has something for everyone, no matter how much they already know. It's a text book for life drawing.

This is the way it's SUPPOSED to feel? OMG...I'll see if I can round up that book right away...I can use ALL the help I can get! And what's time dilation? The thing that made the class seem ten hours long???? LOL

Khadres
09-17-2004, 02:10 AM
Wow..who lit a fire under your pallate???? I can tell you are a fall person like me ...Yes..you made a mistake because you waited so long to go )(this from someone who has been finding excuses not to attend weekly live model drawing sessions on a town 45 mi away for a year now)

...I got a challenge for you,,but it has to wait till mid october.....I will go if you will go and we can secretly share our experiences,,,,,when I was in school back in the dark ages here in the bible belt,,our models wore bathing suits....hard to see the female body through a black one piece... and to be honest I think the male model stored his socks in his...lol

LOL...well, by golly if I can do it, YOU can too! This little gal was awesome...a dancer, so she was a natural with lovely, graceful poses. The lady next to me and I were the worst of the lot, by far, and skulked out together at the end of the class before the model could ask to see how we did! The teacher is very earnest, a true believer in the classical methods of teaching and keeps telling me I let my brain think too much! LOL You can count on that being the first time anybody ever told me THAT!

I dunno who we'll have as a model next week, but I'm kinda hopin' it's someone old and droopy so it won't be quite so obvious how bad I am! I truly never realized I can't even draw a reasonably coherent line without it wandering off on its own!

prestonsega
09-17-2004, 02:30 AM
Betcha Julie's gone already but here's hoping she has a blast and learns a ton with Kitty! I'm green with envy!! :envy:


She called me about 2pm her time..her hubby running late due to job....she was all packed, loaded gased...and yes she did break down and clean her pastels. I had origoinally registered but changes in family dynamics made me cancel...I was very disappointed .but at that time I didn't know I would need to be here getting my self and art together....So iI promised her if I had time I would get depressed :) (isn't it amazing how the universe works for us if we quit fighting it!)

I painted today--three little ones that I did as a demo in my class on how different ground colors affect paintings. I did some yellow aspens, one on yellow, one on dark red-violet, and one on the split complement, a bright red-orange. Fun and fast. I'll stick them into the sketch thread tomorrow sometime, Preston!


Deborah

ha..you knew I would catch that "sketch thing, didn't ya! :evil: I'm looking forward to it!

Kathryn Wilson
09-17-2004, 07:24 AM
Sooz, we ain't gonna let you off the hook that easy! It will get better as you go along and from what I have been hearing from others, they actually would miss it if they didn't go. Sounds like you had fun, really - :wink2: I only wish we had something like that here!

Dee, I'm hoping that your family weathers this well - it sure doesn't look good. Atlanta got hit yesterday and not sure how Carly made out. It's headed our way today and I am looking at one real nasty band that has tornados in it - :(

Kitty, have fun with Julie today!

Preston, if we stop fighting the Gods, miracles can happen - :D Sometimes fate really smiles on us.

Khadres
09-17-2004, 09:39 AM
OK, after a few hours' sleep, I guess I can look back on the whole class experience with a little less angst, but geez. I KNEW I've never been good at drawing people and that my drawing of all kinds is a little rusty, but ... wow! Doubtless this will be good for me, but it's definitely gonna be a slow go! I hope that teacher has a LOT of patience!

Deb, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for your gulf area relatives and everyone else down there! The whole thing look awful, and Kat, you make sure you batten down the hatches where you are too! I was kinda glad that my folks no longer live in northern Georgia since the whole mess went right through there too. I love nothing more than a good storm, but only when they don't do real damage or take lives! I can't imagine how those poor folks down there are ever gonna get that all cleaned up and back to normal!

Well, I only slept five hours, but it was a good solid five, so with a nap later, I should be good to go. Except for going in for a periodic blood check (good ole diabetes, ya know) I don't HAVE to do much of anything but some laundry today, so maybe I'll get back on track and get some PAINTING done! Yippee!

K Taylor-Green
09-17-2004, 12:01 PM
Sooz, It really does get better, and just tell yourself, you are there to learn, not produce masterpieces.

Speaking of life drawing classes, I have a story.
When my mother-in-law was a girl, she painted, in pastel, no less. She gave it up after high school to marry and raise a family (4 boys and 1 girl), as so many of us do. When Jess and I met and married, she was thrilled to find out that I was an artist, and we developed a closeness that goes beyond in-law status. So much so, that she decided to get back into art after 50 years.
With my encouragement, she joined a class. She did very well. Which leads me to the life drawing class. The Chillicothe Art League sponsers a life drawing class at the Ohio University. I wanted to go, and I invited Mom to go with me. She didn't have a clue, and actually I wasn't sure, if the model would be nude. Well, she was, and Mom had never, never, if you know what I mean. I was so proud of her! My 70 year old mother-in-law sat down at a desk, opened her drawing pad, and acted as though she did this every day!!
Her drawings were quite good, but she didn't go again. She gradually slipped away from art again, due to family. I think she was only doing it to please me.
Her very large family is her passion, and that makes her happy. And if she is happy, then so am I. Just wanted to share that.

Preston, Congrats on the interview!! I want to know how it goes.

I guess all any of us here can do, is pray for all our friends in the South.

bnoonan
09-17-2004, 12:58 PM
Preston - I had to explain to my DH why I was laughing out loud at your comment about body suits on the models... Wow - I grew up in Boston - remember the Puritans landing there - and it wasn't that bad. Let's just say it's not like San Francisco models.

Sooz - oh I'm so excited for you!!! I'm clapping my hands together with glee... :clap: :clap: :clap: The book Kitty recommended is great!!! Also my other favorite on the body is a Dover Publication that's only about $7.00 and available through Barnes & Noble... THE HUMAN FIGURE Life Drawing for Artists by John H. Vanderpoel . when I started with life drawing, I'd copy these drawings direct from the book and learned to love this.

Oh and you may want to visit a museum and draw from a statue - I'm actually planning on doing that a bit myself. those models don't move and let you sit there for quite some time. By the way - we all make them look goofy at first and then it slowly improves - and doesn't again... etc. Have fun!!!

Kate - loved your story and I'm sorry it didn't work out more with your mother-in-law.

Feeling some jealousy about Julie but I guess we can't all have the fun.

So... I'm in the midst of checking out studio spaces to rent in the city - in lieu of the tiny space I have in our apt. bedroom. It's exciting and scary but I'm really hoping to go through with it. It may mean less time on WC by the looks of it - but more serious time painting.
I'm also planning a trip to be away for 2 weeks and it's just 1 month left till Open Studios. It's thrilling and busy and hopeful a time for me.

You know what's really cool - is sharing all of this with you. It's like having a group hug all the time.

More later... Barb

Deborah Secor
09-17-2004, 01:12 PM
I can relate, Preston. At one life drawing class I attended back in 1970 (in San Diego, California--not the Bible belt!!!) the males had to be 'clothed', but not the females! Some of those guys got awfully creative with their 'dress'. I noticed that most of those in the class seemed far more comfortable drawing the clothing than the figure--something I've taken with me into drawing ever since. You can't draw what you can't see--but you can choose not to draw what isn't important to express! (i.e. Drawing arms and legs and faces is far more vital than drawing swimming suits!)

Barb--a REAL studio? :envy: So exciting! When you find one, we need pix!!!

Okay--I'm gonna go photograph my sketches now...

Stay dry, everyone. Pastels and rain don't mix.

Deborah

Khadres
09-17-2004, 03:29 PM
Wow, Barb! A real studio with just you and your stuff in it??? This school I'm going to rents studio space and they're doing very well in supporting the school that way...some really nice spaces, too, but I kinda enjoy being at home...I can (if only I WILL) just bop down a half flight and work awhile when I want to without having to go out. If I had a separate space, I'm afraid I'd find every excuse in the world not to go there. That being said, I'm thrilled for you, though! You're obviously at that point where you NEED space! See if you can find a place that has high speed internet hookups! LOL

Kate, your mother-in-law sounds very cool indeed! This is the first time I've actually had a full-body life drawing class, clothed or otherwise, but I can certainly see where a clothed model would be less useful for study. As it happens I HAVE the Dover books (there are several...can't remember the other author's name for the one series tho...they're vintage, but wonderful). I'm not sure we have a local museum with even dressed statues in it locally...I could go up to Denver but I'd be worn out by the time I got there!

What I'm finding most difficult....and always have for all drawing, really, is the PROPORTIONAL thing and how to SEE it properly and the ANGLE thing. I'm just totally awful at figuring out how long a lower leg is in comparison to a an upper arm, etc. And wouldn't you know it...I was almost late getting there and got a seat at the extreme side of the room so that virtually every pose was FULL of foreshortened arms and legs tucked or stretched in odd angles which drove me WILD trying to catch. I could see the negative spaces and all that, but couldn't reproduce them either...I DID however get the kid's blonde hairdo down pretty good! Ohhhh, to be that svelte and flawless skinned again! I think the young guy that did the best drawings might have fallen in love on the spot! :D

Dark_Shades
09-17-2004, 05:26 PM
Just a quick pop in......... peeps were asking after Luvy ..... well I got an email out of the blue from her the other day...... she's fine..... busy, but fine

Khadres
09-17-2004, 05:55 PM
Great to hear Luvy's okay...I always hate to lose touch with people online!

OK, I'm offa here for awhile...gotta get some STUDIO time in!

pjo
09-17-2004, 07:21 PM
Preston-how'd the interview go? You will have to share the article when it comes out with us somehow. Way to go.

Doninic-So sorry about the health issues, I'm praying for your recovery and for wisdom for the docs, so they can figure out whats going on. Even if you can't do softies now, do something, sketch, watercolors something you enjoy.

Barb-Congrats on looking for your own studio space, and I loved loved loved the quote from "Art and Fear" I've copied it and am going to post it in my art area.

Sooz-It sounds like quite a challenge you've signed up for in your drawing class, I bet it will become easier with practice and as time goes by.

Deborah-How'd your brother and sister in law do thru the storm?

I just signed up for the goal posts thread and am very excited. I'm hoping to get a little more focused from setting a goal. It does seem that life keeps interfering however. My brother in law had a pretty major heart attack last night, they tried to do a cath on him this a.m. but the blockage is too big, so they have him on major blood thinners for the weekend and will try again on Mon. The doc said she had not seen arteries this bad in quite a long time, his arteries look like a 90 yr old man who has been smoking for most of his life, the problem is my brother in law is only 46. He will probably be moving in with us eventually for his recovery, first things first though, to get that blocage cleared up. This has been quite a wake up call for my husband too, he is a smoker also. Any prayers are appreciated.

Khadres
09-17-2004, 09:54 PM
pjo, hope your brother in law's health improves swiftly! Seems like it's always something, doesn't it?

Kat, how did you fare with Ivan? Hoping he passed you by really...you don't need visitors like him!

Thought I'd mention, if no one else has seen it, but Aaron Brothers is having a half off all their already marked down stuff sale through Oct. 11. This sounds like junk, doesn't it? But it's not...not always anyway. lol This is often a darned good time to pick up some frames for rock bottom prices. I did this last time they had a sale like this and got some, complete with mats, for less than $10. You just never know what they might be closing out! Well worth a look-see.

Someone else mentioned Hobby Lobby having a sale on foam core, too. We need a What's on Sale thread! LOL

prestonsega
09-17-2004, 10:16 PM
PJ...The interview went very fast....sort of like the old TV show ,Dragnet....pad and pencil in hand..."..just the facts, mam', just the facts."

The editor is going to do this article for PR on the show,,times,dates, me, opening, demo times, etc...... and then another one after the show has been open for a week, probably with a pic of me doing demo painting.

Barb....I have done diffferently than you..I downsized...left the freestanding house and condensed my necessary items into one room ( northern exposure)in the home and just use the old studio building for storage, framing, etc.. Interesting, but I can manage to keep everything neat and organized in this small space where as I could trash the entire 5 room studio by myself in 30 min,,,,,and was constantly losing things. Congrats on the new studio...as a portrait painter, you'll really need it.


Kitty...The Natural Way to Draw was recommended to me also a while back so I bought a used one. I thought it interesting that it was origonally copyrighted in 1942. I understand that for me to get any good out of it I actually have to open it...and then read , of all things :eek: ( too bad we don't have a lazy smiley face)

Deborah Secor
09-17-2004, 10:46 PM
My brother in law had a pretty major heart attack last night, they tried to do a cath on him this a.m. but the blockage is too big, so they have him on major blood thinners for the weekend and will try again on Mon. The doc said she had not seen arteries this bad in quite a long time, his arteries look like a 90 yr old man who has been smoking for most of his life, the problem is my brother in law is only 46. He will probably be moving in with us eventually for his recovery, first things first though, to get that blocage cleared up. This has been quite a wake up call for my husband too, he is a smoker also. Any prayers are appreciated.

PJ--Tell me this ISN'T your brother-in-law who's my neighbor!? I know your hubby has other brothers, but... Maybe this is one of those good things in disguise, especially if it motivates your hubby and his brother to change their lifestyles and habits. I'll keep this all in my prayers, but you keep us posted, too!

We haven't heard anything about my hubby's brother and his wife and son yet, but I looked up the location of their apartment on the internet last night and it's smack on Mobile Bay, just about 10 miles up along the edge of the bay from where they say the worst damage occurred at Gulf Shores. They live on the second floor, which we thought was good until we saw some footage of a taller building with the top floor completely blown off! They evacuated to Arkansas, got the last room in a seedy hotel somewhere and were darn glad to get it. I have no idea where they are now. They literally moved to Mobile in July, and decided on an apartment because they wanted to get to know the area before buying. I'd suggest buying a house INLAND--like inland from Alabama... I won't be at all surprised if they feel the same way.

Deborah

Kathryn Wilson
09-17-2004, 11:23 PM
Sooz, we spent a wicked afternoon in front of the TV watching the local weather channel churning out tornado warnings all around us. The dog was in his crate in an inner most closet (so I didn't have to catch him at the last mo) and we were ready to dash if need be to join him. It was like Ivan had one last long tail to take out a few more people.

Dee, I pray that your family is okay and that a miracle happened and their apartment sustained no damage. Unfortunately with hurricanes like this, being inland and in the mountains does no good. The mountains of NC got hit pretty bad with more rain than they know what to do with - and the beautiful Blue Ridge Parkway has sustained major damage AND I-40 was closed due to landslides.

Barb, I know you will love your own studio, and especially if it is in an enclave of other artists - that's the only way I could have a studio away from home - to be with others doing the same thing I am doing.

Dawn, thanks for letting us know about Luvy - I miss her

pjo
09-18-2004, 01:14 AM
Kat-I'm glad to hear you and your family are ok after Ivan's visit. Good idea to put the dog up early, in case.

Deborah-I hope you hear from your brother soon, and even though it is just "stuff", I sure hope after their move all their stuff made it through Ivan ok too. It was another brother that had the heart attack, not your neighbor, this brother lived with us for awhile a few years ago, and poor thing we actually asked him to move out cause he kept smoking in the house, even my hubby smokes in the garage or mud room, (asthma on my part). I am hoping and praying he comes thru o.k, and that all the brothers who smoke will be prompted to stop. Thanks for your prayers.

Khadres
09-18-2004, 02:13 AM
Gosh, the destruction from that storm is just AWFUL! Kat, I'm glad you seem to have gotten through it okay! And Deb, I sure do hope for a miracle for your brother and family! It's just crazy the footage I've seen looks like a massive tidal wave just wiped everything out! Those poor people who've lost everything and they had a thing about folks trying to rescue stranded animals...the critters have NO idea what's even happened to 'em, poor things, and no place to run. Breaks my heart to see it all, so I've stayed away from the news this evening...chicken that I am!

Here's hoping everyone down that way gets a BREAK now!

bogbeast
09-18-2004, 09:26 PM
Well, it's the tail end of the week, so I don't know if anyone is still reading the scumble, but I'm finally back from the land of Cleaning! and Oh My! what a lot there is to catch up on!

the short of it from here is that the house duly sparkled for our home study, which took place this past Wednesday and yesterday--have you ever noticed how it FEELS cleaner after a major all-out top-to-bottom scrubbing, than after just the normal weekly "clean the tub and vacuum the fur balls"--even though it really doesn't LOOK all that different?

The home study turned out to be relatively small potatoes after all the horror stories--we each spent 1 1/2 hours or so telling her our life stories individually, and then spent another hour or so together talking about what kind/age/brand etc. kid(s) we want, problems we would or wouldn't be willing to deal with, etc. She never asked us a thing about our relationship, wasn't concerned about the animals (tried to make friends with Katie both days, who would let her scratch her chin for 10 minutes and then back away because the lady would LOOk at her! silly dog!) Basically, we are already approved! and should be ready to go into the "matching" process with the area counties within a month!!!

Wow...

so it all feels rather strange right now--the pressure is off, so I am very tired, and can't seem to figure out what I am supposed to be doing! Unlike my partner, I don't have to go diving into schoolwork and write and deliver my first sermon in the next 2 weeks--thank goodness! But I can't really go shopping for kid stuff, either, because we still don't know age or gender and probably won't untill a couple days before he/she arrives! It is a rather surreal situation. So, I guess I will try to find the sewing projects that got hidden somewhere "Before", and then sign up for the 100 paintings project--just what I need to try to get into an art routine, although if things with kids happen fast, I may only have a monthof painting time!

Hope all with health concerns (Dominic, Mikki, who am I missing?) are feeling better by now--I'll try to stay a little more on top of the news next week!

Khadres
09-18-2004, 11:38 PM
So glad to hear everything went well and now you can breath a sigh of relief, Libby.

And the Goalies is a lot more flexible than you think! You can set whatever number, type, etc. you want to to meet your needs. I just picked 100 ptgs. in a year because it sounded impossible enough that it sort of appealed to me. We've got all sorts of goals goin' and will doubtless adapt and tweak 'em as we go along anyway. So jump right in when you're ready!

I'm wondering if anyone's heard from Mikki? I haven't heard since Thurs. and am a bit worried since she was still sick and not home yet. I hope tlhey made it home okay! Anyone hears anything, let me know!

It's been a fun weekend with lots of arty stuff goin' on...nice for a change. The hubby watches his football games and I natter around on here a bit and then scribble a little at the easel. Nice and restful but fun too.

With luck, the folks back east are getting a break in there weather finally! Here's wishing them all the best in their cleanup efforts, etc. I can't imagine where some of those poor folks are even gonna START! Deb, any word yet from your brother and family?



Well, it's the tail end of the week, so I don't know if anyone is still reading the scumble, but I'm finally back from the land of Cleaning! and Oh My! what a lot there is to catch up on!

the short of it from here is that the house duly sparkled for our home study, which took place this past Wednesday and yesterday--have you ever noticed how it FEELS cleaner after a major all-out top-to-bottom scrubbing, than after just the normal weekly "clean the tub and vacuum the fur balls"--even though it really doesn't LOOK all that different?

The home study turned out to be relatively small potatoes after all the horror stories--we each spent 1 1/2 hours or so telling her our life stories individually, and then spent another hour or so together talking about what kind/age/brand etc. kid(s) we want, problems we would or wouldn't be willing to deal with, etc. She never asked us a thing about our relationship, wasn't concerned about the animals (tried to make friends with Katie both days, who would let her scratch her chin for 10 minutes and then back away because the lady would LOOk at her! silly dog!) Basically, we are already approved! and should be ready to go into the "matching" process with the area counties within a month!!!

Wow...

so it all feels rather strange right now--the pressure is off, so I am very tired, and can't seem to figure out what I am supposed to be doing! Unlike my partner, I don't have to go diving into schoolwork and write and deliver my first sermon in the next 2 weeks--thank goodness! But I can't really go shopping for kid stuff, either, because we still don't know age or gender and probably won't untill a couple days before he/she arrives! It is a rather surreal situation. So, I guess I will try to find the sewing projects that got hidden somewhere "Before", and then sign up for the 100 paintings project--just what I need to try to get into an art routine, although if things with kids happen fast, I may only have a monthof painting time!

Hope all with health concerns (Dominic, Mikki, who am I missing?) are feeling better by now--I'll try to stay a little more on top of the news next week!

prestonsega
09-19-2004, 12:39 AM
Hey Libby..I was just thinking about you today,,was going to pm you tomorrow if you hadn;t posted by then.....
Looks like its down hill from here on out...I am sure it was stress inducing to be so scrutinized but it sounds as if ya'll passed with flying colors.

Sooz......Yes, we down here were missed by Ivan in S E GA. At least the storms have provided firewood for weenie roasts now that is cooled down at nights...

Kat..seems like ya'll got bad weather from all 3 storms this year. I haven't watched the weather channel for fear of finding out another one is on its way.

Khadres
09-19-2004, 12:45 AM
I haven't watched the weather channel for fear of finding out another one is on its way.

Ummmm....ok, I'm NOT gonna be the one to mention Jeanne...oops!

prestonsega
09-19-2004, 01:21 AM
WHAT????????????????????? (moaning and groaning can be heard through out the village)

Mikki Petersen
09-19-2004, 02:07 AM
Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls. We are sitting in Moab, Utah holding our trailer down. We got stuck between a warm storm front coming north from Baja and a major cold front coming down from Alaska. The result is high wind, thunder and lightning, sand storms and rain????? Bottom line, we are not comfortable trying to travel with the trailer in 50mph winds. Anyway...Arches and Canyonlands National Parks are not to be missed...but now we have to worry about SNOW??? in the mountain passes between us and home on Monday when the winds are supposed to die down. Think God is trying to keep us on the road?

Libby, congratulations! I knew you would do just fine. CPS is desperate for loving homes to place these kids in. And your partner is in the Seminary...who could ask for more?

Preston, glad Ivan left you alone.

Deborah, I hope your relatives are okay. They sure are not getting a good warm welcome to the South.

Kat, geesh! Who'd of thought these hurricanes would wreak such havoc so far inland? I'm getting a first hand look at how the weather can really mess up your day :rolleyes: .

Sooz, sounds like you've found a satisfying outlet for your desire to make connections with artists. Can't think of a better way than by getting involved in a class. And you are such a warm, friendly individual that everyone will be vying to be your friend in no time. As for the stress, now that you've done it once, it will get easier and less stressful.

Pjo, sorry to hear about your brother-in-law. I can sympathize with his struggle to quit the coffin nails. It's the toughest thing I've ever failed at.

Barb! Wow! Your own studio space. I think you will be so much happier with a dedicated space that will give you room to spread out a bit. I personally think a studio away from the house would be great. Going there would set the tone for working on art without all the home distractions. On the other hand...I often paint at 3AM and going out then would not be so cool. But that's just me. YOU GO GIRL!

Happy painting!

khourianya
09-19-2004, 03:24 AM
Ummmm....ok, I'm NOT gonna be the one to mention Jeanne...oops!

me neither...what about Karl?

oh darn...well, that's still a ways off, maybe it'll work itself out by the time it gets across the ocean...

Khadres
09-19-2004, 08:39 AM
Mikki, glad to hear y'all got to see stuff on the way home, just not the wind and SNOW stuff! This IS a really chameleon time of year. Some years back HERE you'd have been caught in a dandy blizzard by now! Just take care and don't hurry if you don't have to! I'm hoping you're feeling better too!

Cori...shhhhhh! I think maybe Karl has whirled on off into the shipping lanes...not that the SHIPS will be happy to hear that! :D

Kathryn Wilson
09-19-2004, 11:26 AM
WHAT????????????????????? (moaning and groaning can be heard through out the village)

The western counties of North Carolina really caught he__ from Ivan - a whole town of houses was swept away in a huge landslide down a mountain. So devastating to see this happen to folks not expecting hurricanes to visit them 2 times in a row. We fared pretty well so far from all 3 hurricanes (actually 6 have gone through the area this years), but it's been mainly rain and tornados. Tornados touched down in a county just north of us and destroyed homes. :crying:

We ain't gonna think about Jeanne.

Kathryn Wilson
09-19-2004, 11:32 AM
[QUOTE=1mpete]Hello Ladies and Gentlemen, Boys and Girls. We are sitting in Moab, Utah holding our trailer down. We got stuck between a warm storm front coming north from Baja and a major cold front coming down from Alaska. The result is high wind, thunder and lightning, sand storms and rain????? Bottom line, we are not comfortable trying to travel with the trailer in 50mph winds. Anyway...Arches and Canyonlands National Parks are not to be missed...QUOTE]

Awww, Mikki, now I really am envious! We vacationed in Moab this last spring and just loved the area, but I do suspect it could get rough there - we stayed in a canyon setting along the Colorado and one night had a storm that I thought was going to take the roof off the building the wind and rain was so strong. Arches and Canyonlands, indeed, are not to be missed. Grand Canyon is for visiting - Arches and Canyonlands are for real exploration in the environment. We watch a live web cam from the place we stayed at to watch the weather change every 60 seconds - it's fun to watch the sun come up and the sunsets - we are seeing a very cloudy day today.

Stay safe!

bnoonan
09-19-2004, 12:37 PM
Mikki - I'm sorry you are off your scheduled plans.... NOT!

I love Moab adn couldn't think of a more magnificent place than Arches to go visit and explore. Oh you lucky folks.

We have rain today in SF and they talked of snow in Tahoe - but are also talking about a warming trend again on Tuesday so you should be completely safe in this area after a little while.

reminds me of the old song of Charlie on the MTA... did he ever return... no he never returned and his fate is still unlearned... poor ol Charlie....

Oh and if you get to Arches again - ask about a friend of mine who was a park ranger... Murray Shoemaker. We worked together in Alaska - he may remember me from being from Seattle. It's a smaller world down there - he may still be around.

Barb

Deborah Secor
09-19-2004, 02:08 PM
Yikes! This nationwide weather report is veeeery interesting... Here we've had RAIN for over 24 hours!!! :clap: (Deborah does a happy dance in the rain!!!) I woke up to drips and plops-- :music: such sweet music. :music: It's the remnants of some storm that came up from Baja, bringing with it this nice rain. I have so much energy today as a result.

I still know nothing about my in-laws. I haven't talked to my mom- and dad-in-law yet, who are the keepers of the information. My hubby's family is a smidgen different from mine--we would be on the phone to each other every day! They just seem more laid back, taking a 'no news is good news' approach to things. I mentioned to hubby that he should call but he figured they weren't back to Mobile yet... (mumble...seems like it would be worth calling to FIND OUT!)

Mikki, :wave: I would think Moab in the rain could be at least passingly spectacular! You're wise not to drive, though--my neighbor came home with the top ripped off his pop-up camper! Y'know, a camper with no top is no longer a camper.... Take care in the wind, rain and snow--and yes, it seems God wants you on the road!

Okay, I'm gonna go out and play in the rain. We just don't get puddles often enough! The birds are gonna be loving this...not to mention the squirrel who keeps coming up on my back porch. I just looooove all the gray skies. :D (Can you tell how neat this is??? LOL)

Deborah

Khadres
09-19-2004, 02:22 PM
Well, lucky you, Dee! That moisture sure has NOT made it all the way up here! Haven't had any rain to speak of since before the Expo, so it's the old garden hose and sprinkler deal again tonight, our assigned watering nite of the week. At least the lawn is slowing down for the fall anyway and it isn't as critical to water more often.

At least our temperatures have levelled off to more normal numbers...had really begun to feel like high summer again for a while there. And I've spent a half hour poring over the Sunday ads in the paper and since I didn't see any good deals on ANYthing, my wallet is safe for another week! Today is planning day for another couple paintings I've been ruminating about for awhile...not sure which will be first, probably the EASIEST...or at least the one that LOOKS easiest. We'll see.

Y'all take care, wherever you are, and let's hope for another good week ahead!

prestonsega
09-19-2004, 03:25 PM
"Here we've had RAIN for over 24 hours!!! (Deborah does a happy dance in the rain!!!) I woke up to drips and plops"

Dee...The image of you wearing your pearls and dancing in the rain with Fred Astaire popped in my mind...Thanks for the laugh!!! :D

Just goes to show those old sayings...like "one man's trash is another's treasure" "everything is relative". Enjoy it while it lasts....and get some rare New Mexico puddle pics!

Hye Mikki,,,glad you are staying in touch.....I tend to worry when folks stay offline too long. Have fun wherever your travels take you!

Deborah Secor
09-19-2004, 04:54 PM
Dee...The image of you wearing your pearls and dancing in the rain with Fred Astaire popped in my mind...Thanks for the laugh!!! :D


Hahahahahaha! I was thinking more along the lines of... Snoopy!

Deborah

Deborah Secor
09-19-2004, 10:03 PM
Nothing like the tail end of the scumble... but I just wanted to let you all know that sis-in-law called to report ALL IS FINE in Mobile!! The got home yesterday and the power came back on soon after they arrived. No damage other than a few trees and signs down nearby. It sounds as though Ivan went farther east then Mobile Bay. (Not to hear the press talk, but then consider the source...am I sounding cynical???)

Sooooooooooooooooo...<whew>

Deborah

Kathryn Wilson
09-19-2004, 10:26 PM
Wonderful news Dee! I'll bet they were scared out of their boots that they didn't have a home to go to.

It's been nicely cool all day here with a brisk northly breeze - such a relief to our hot and humid summer. I thought I was turning into a mushroom or a piece of fungus. :eek:

Khadres
09-19-2004, 11:00 PM
Great news, Deborah! And I'm glad you got that first fall "norther", Kat! We used to wait for those down in Texas like waiting for Xmas! We'd run out just as soon as the horizon darkened and the cold wind picked, with jackets and sweaters and have a picnic/party in the park just to enjoy the chill. We called 'em "blue northers" down there and they rather abruptly marked the end of the summer heat and the beginning of a nice Indian summer type weather.

E-J
09-20-2004, 04:10 AM
Hello everyone - I'm back from my pastelling holiday near the Pyrenees!! Haven't had a chance just yet to catch up with how everyone is doing but I will do that when I've managed to post up my pictures and stories from the unforgettable week I've had. There is so much to tell that I'm despairing of ever getting my thoughts together enough to share it all with you. It was a surreal, joyful and somewhat emotional week of clowns, retro camping, mountains and market towns, great food, plenty of wine, plein air pastelling, mixed media and sketching ... I will make myself a strong coffee, throw all my dirty clothes into the washing machine and upload my digital photos and see if I can get my act together and post! :)

prestonsega
09-20-2004, 05:42 AM
Good morning E J..sounds as if you have had quite a holiday,,,one that was well deserved,......I am up late,,,can't sleep so I thought I would see if my British friends were up....Hopefully Kat will place this in the new weekly scumble when she gets up...check out the sketch thread too, from last week,,,,,lots of interesting stuff going on!


Welcome home!

pjo
09-22-2004, 07:09 PM
Hi everyone, I've been remiss in visiting lately, and hope everyone is doing good.

Deborah-I'm glad you heard from your in-laws and that all is O.K. The rain was wonderful wasn't it. I heard we have a freeze warning out for tonight, and me still in shorts.

It seems whenever I set a goal, stuff just keeps coming up. But, I'm still striving to keep and meet those goals anyways, both in my personal life and artistically. I finally was able to post the first of my 50 paintings, Hooray, and have started on the 2nd one. My brother in law who had the heart attack on Thurs. had a Catherization on Fri. which was unsuccessful, so they put him on mega blood thinners, and did it again on Mon., now we hear the need to go in again on Thurs. I'm not sure why yet, there has been a bit of a communication problem between the hospital and family, all this stuff about the privacy act. He's so doped up, he sees the docs and can't tell us what's going to be done. And there is a team of Docs working on him, so we don't really know who to call even, and they won't answer the families questions anyway because of the privacy act. So, he is going to sign a release form so we can find out info. I've been trying to clean out the guest room for him when he does get out, he will probably stay the winter with us. Other than that I have some exciting news, two of my painting were accepted into the PSNM 13th annual pastel painting exhibition. I'm very excited.

Khadres
09-22-2004, 07:17 PM
Glad you're back EJ!

Pjo, I hope your life settles down a bit soon. Congrats on all the painting headway! And hopefully your bro-in-law will soon be much better!

Deborah Secor
09-22-2004, 07:27 PM
Hi everyone, I've been remiss in visiting lately, and hope everyone is doing good.

Deborah-I'm glad you heard from your in-laws and that all is O.K. The rain was wonderful wasn't it. I heard we have a freeze warning out for tonight, and me still in shorts.

It seems whenever I set a goal, stuff just keeps coming up. But, I'm still striving to keep and meet those goals anyways, both in my personal life and artistically. I finally was able to post the first of my 50 paintings, Hooray, and have started on the 2nd one. My brother in law who had the heart attack on Thurs. had a Catherization on Fri. which was unsuccessful, so they put him on mega blood thinners, and did it again on Mon., now we hear the need to go in again on Thurs. I'm not sure why yet, there has been a bit of a communication problem between the hospital and family, all this stuff about the privacy act. He's so doped up, he sees the docs and can't tell us what's going to be done. And there is a team of Docs working on him, so we don't really know who to call even, and they won't answer the families questions anyway because of the privacy act. So, he is going to sign a release form so we can find out info. I've been trying to clean out the guest room for him when he does get out, he will probably stay the winter with us. Other than that I have some exciting news, two of my painting were accepted into the PSNM 13th annual pastel painting exhibition. I'm very excited.

{Hey, PJ--I'm copying this and moving it to the current scumble... Hope that's okay with you! We're in next week already! Come see us over there...........>>>>>> :wave: Deborah]