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oleCC
05-21-2001, 07:02 PM
watercolor on 140# cold press.. 18 x 25
Not sure if I want to enter this one in an upcoming show...any suggestions welcome !
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol
PS: Now, after seeing it on screen I see the back wall needs straightening....Grrrr

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taghera
05-21-2001, 07:08 PM
Yes I have a suggestion, <FONT size="5">ENTER IT</FONT s>
Carol its great, like it lots. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Katee
05-21-2001, 07:20 PM
Definately enter it Carol.

Let us know what you decide.

Take care

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fink
05-21-2001, 07:39 PM
Superior work! Definately enter it and chances are, you will win.

People are so hard for me to do. I guess I should practice more but never know quite where to start.

majaya
05-21-2001, 08:32 PM
Smooth and clear.....go for it.

TMoore
05-21-2001, 08:44 PM
Hi, Carol. Ditto the entry. I absolutely feel compelled to study the boots and the grass. The art student in me I guess. I love these textures.

oleCC
05-21-2001, 10:14 PM
Thanks y'all...but...it is that back wall that is bothering me, and also - the shadow under his arm on the right needs to be as dark as the face, but when I do that it looks like a cape over his arm !?! ...
Don't hesitate to be hard on me here my friends... need to hear it really.. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Carol

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Sister Mary
05-21-2001, 11:44 PM
I agree with you Carol, but, the shadow under the arm is fine. The shadow on his face looks like a hood.
your devoted student,
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majaya
05-21-2001, 11:51 PM
Carol, I though you meant to enter it after you sorted out the wall. Yes, I do agree it pulls your eye away from the subject. I don't know why the shadow under the arm needs to be as dark as the face. The face is totally blocked by the hat. But wouldn't his arm be affected by reflected light? There is one thing though.....the cigarette, and I hope this doesn't sound judgemental but we are now in an age where the majority are health conscious and therefore doesn't the cigarette make the painting in a way controversial....if you intended to sell it it would narrow your receptive audience. You asked for it! As I said I am very much an amateur but that is what came to mind. Mary

Leaflin
05-22-2001, 08:05 AM
I love this Carol and wouldn't change a thing, Except...
I see what you mean about the wall. The wall on the right side is fine but behind him...is that a step? If so when you look at the two brown horizontal lines behind him on our left, could you lighten the one in the foreground, (closest to his back) to match its continuation to the right side? Leave the other as is looks like a shadow under a door. I tried to copy and paste last night to show you what I meant but to no avail. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Hope this helps.
What Show are you entering this in?
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Leaflin
05-22-2001, 08:18 AM
After I said all of that I forgot to tell you how much I like the area around his shoes, and the way you have done the curb. I like the cigarette,it in itself tells a story.

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oleCC
05-22-2001, 08:51 AM
Thank you, thank you...that is the kind of feed-back I need!

Mary, I agree the shadow on his head looks like a hood..and the actual painting shows impressions of his features (barely).

Majaya, Yes..after I sort out the wall. The cigarette issue is one reason I wanted to paint this one...it is a real issue for me right now..(hehehe)...and many others too.

Leaflin, You are right about those horizontal lines behind him..will lighten the one. It is a step there but needs more definition. The original photo had a red door with a white brick wall...was awful...not so sure I improved it all

Lordy, are we not fortunate to have this site
for needed help? I appreciate all the suggestions http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Carol

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Leaflin
05-22-2001, 09:15 AM
Carol
I hope you post this when you get it to your liking.
When is it due?

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oleCC
05-22-2001, 09:24 AM
Yes Leaflin...will post after it is fixed. It is due in June, but have a heavy duty commission to get done first....thanks again
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ameliajordan
05-22-2001, 04:32 PM
Carol, what show are you going to enter it in? Perhaps the face shadow is not so dark in person; otherwise, if you're going for realism, I think you could lighten it some because of the reflected light from the blue shirt. However it makes a neat design as it is.

oleCC
05-22-2001, 09:11 PM
Amelia... the show is in King George - they only have one every two years, and it is the only one I enter anymore. I have the paper work here if you are interested..call me eh?
(804) 448-2423
The reference has that face shadowed that dark and I did lighten somewhat..maybe will do some more though http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Sandi
05-23-2001, 01:09 PM
The wall doesn't bother me at all. In fact, it's common to have the wood on either side like that, in ranch country. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
The only part that I question, is his shadowed face, which Amelia already mentioned. I feel the shadow falls a bit too solidly. I'd like to see the many different planes that shadows create, and the reflected lights as well. I was hesitant to say anything, not knowing if it were just the monitor or jpg.
Even so, it's a remarkably well-done painting, that you shouldn't hesitate to show.

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carly
05-23-2001, 05:21 PM
I have to agree with the shadowed face, Carol...its too dark to show any definition of jawline. Sometimes photos will do that to shadowed areas. Try having someone sit in a strong light with a hat to recreate the scene and take a look at the reflected light areas that occur in shadows.

You caught the wall as soon as you posted...I do that too sometimes with perspective lines! Overall this is very effective...especially the lighting! I'd like to see a bit more of the story...why is he sitting there? Shelling peanuts? That's what my hubby would be doing!
carly

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Sandi
05-23-2001, 05:49 PM
PS. I have to disagree about the roll your own cig being an interference.
Collectors are going wild over cig paraphanellia(sp).. and there are always cowboy collectors already.. This is a wonderful cross-over collectors find. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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oleCC
05-23-2001, 06:08 PM
I lightened the shadow a bit but the scanner didn't seem to catch it at all. The painting does have a hint of nose and chin - and the shirt collar isn't that dark either...oh wellll.....I will post again in a couple days.

Colleen... I hadn't even thought about the grass and legs etc.. the actual photo is like the painting but will have to give that another look! thanks

Carly... why is he sitting there? He is rolling a cigarette or at least sitting there looking at one. There is a pack in his pocket so maybe I should title this one "my last cigarette" ... ? ! OR "decisions, decisions"....lol

Sandi..thanks..hadn't thought about that either! Like I said, this smoking is an issue for me presently too...grrrrr
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

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Mary Kay
05-23-2001, 11:21 PM
Carol, You have a good painting going! I think the center of interest is his hands...that's where he is looking and that's where our eyes will go. The contrast is at his hat and face, but directionally we are pointed to his hands.
And his hands are bothering me. maybe it's the scan, but they look flat...with the amount of shading on his sleeves, I think there should be more shading on his hands. the fingers that are turned away from the light source on his left hand are the same value as those in the light. darkening from the knuckle to the fingertip would also increase the contrast next to the cigarette. I didn't even notice it until I read it in one of the posts.
another thought, maybe the shadow side needs to be cooler in temperature, but not too much darker. such decisions! I'm glad it's you and not me! at least this time!

It's a good piece, post the final version for us. good luck in the show.

Mary Kay

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cmorrow05
05-24-2001, 12:30 AM
Perhaps I'm being nit picky here, since I don't think anyone else mentioned it, but the grass bothers me. Actually, not so much the grass, but rather the way neither of his boots extend past the grassline. It almost makes his legs look tight and cramped, rather than relaxed. Or, maybe it's just me. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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BJE
05-24-2001, 12:30 AM
Carol, this reminds me somewhat of my Dad when he rolled his own smokes, back in the old days, with his western hat on. If I could do as well as you, I'd do one of him.
Jean

oleCC
05-24-2001, 08:18 AM
Jean..you could do your Dad with no problem at all...your confidence is only thing lacking, the talent and knowledge is all in place!

MaryKay..yup...hands do look flat here - know that old saying -"can't see the forest for all the trees" ? Guess that is me at this point.. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/eek.gif
Carol

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lonie
05-24-2001, 10:32 AM
This is excellent. How did you get the texture of the grass by the man's feet?

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BJE
05-24-2001, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by oleCC:
Jean..you could do your Dad with no problem at all...your confidence is only thing lacking, the talent and knowledge is all in place!

Carol




Thanks Carol, but you know how little patience I have for detail! Hmmm...wonder if there's a pill for patience?
Jean

Rod
05-26-2001, 08:02 AM
Yes , you must show Carol.Great Painting,
The only part I was going to comment on were the shadows. I too would like to see the shadows follow every up and down of the material, and show the angle as the shadow goes onver the 90 degree angle on the pavement. The shadow of his little finger may be a shade too small,
Rod.

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rsmak
05-26-2001, 02:04 PM
It is very nice,please enter it.
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carly
05-26-2001, 11:43 PM
LOL...I had to go back and look to find the cigarette! Now it makes more sense...maybe the title should be...
"One for the road...."
or
".... tomorrow..."
or
"...life is a drag..."

Either way...its a great painting!
carly


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Leaflin
06-04-2001, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by oleCC:
[B]Yes Leaflin...will post after it is fixed.

Am I being pushy http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/angel.gif
Just want to see http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

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