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majaya
05-22-2001, 03:13 AM
What exactly are conte crayons and has anyone every mixed them with watercolour. What should be first???

Leaflin
05-22-2001, 03:50 PM
majaya
I have absolutly no idea, but I will do a bit of researsh and get back to you http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Mavis Tompkins
05-24-2001, 04:49 PM
Hi Majaya, I like to use conte crayons on top of watercolour when its dry. These are narrow square sticks of hard pastel which don't crumble, but the ones I use are Faber Castell Polychromos pastels, they are firm, don't break but really smooth, and the colours are great. I use them to bring a watercolour to life, its amazing how the strokes of glowing colour lift the painting. I saw an article in an old 'The Artist' magazine about using gouache first for your underpainting,on a heavy watercolour paper, then using Conte Crayons on top, why not try Caran d'Ache oil pastels on top too, they are wonderful to use, and are not oily or sticky. Mavis. (Lynda's Mum)

VictoriaS
05-24-2001, 05:06 PM
Majaya, I do not believe they are exactly the same thing as pastels, although they are the same shape. From what I've seen at the art supply, conte crayons only come in various hardnesses of blacks and earth colors; paintings in books will say "Watercolor with conte crayon" or "Watercolor with pastel," so they do differentiate between conte and pastel. Maybe in practical use they are similar, though.

Leaflin
05-24-2001, 07:05 PM
I have absolutly no idea, but I will do a bit of research and get back to you http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif



I looked everywhere http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I am so glad Mavis and Victoria came to your aid. That sounds like an interesting combination.

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majaya
05-24-2001, 08:24 PM
Thanks Mavis and Victoria. I am thinking of having a go with them. I have a little box of six 'drawing pastels'(so called)that I purchased in an art supply in Halifax...brand name Gallery. They are all earth colours and I was wondering if the terracotta coloured one was a conte crayon. Anyway I will try and see what happens. Mary

Rod
05-26-2001, 07:49 AM
I think conte crayons are a bit waxy so watercolours would not mix , they would resist,
Rod.

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Roan
05-29-2001, 09:16 PM
Rod is correct, Conté contain wax. Soft pastels are just pigment and binder and the cheaper student brands contain fillers (such as calcium) as well.

Might get some interesting effects using Conté instead of wax for resist techniques.

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majaya
05-29-2001, 10:31 PM
Hey that's food for thought...using it as a resist....hmmm. Thanks Roan for your comment. Mary

Roan
05-30-2001, 12:03 AM
Not a problem, Mary. . .

Just a quick note from something you said earlier:

". . .brand name Gallery. They are all earth colours and I was wondering if the terracotta coloured one was a conte crayon."

I really hate it when vendors do something like this.

I just checked a few places on the web (not USA) that sell Gallery Drawing Pastels and many refer to them as "conte chalk pastel sticks" -- that's not right.

Conté is a brand name and not a type of pastel. Some vendors use the Conté name to describe pastel sticks that are similar in shape and size and that's very misleading. From what I've read about the Gallery ones, they are not the same make-up as Conté at all, but are more like Nupastels. Nupastels are very hard pastels that contain no wax at all. They just have a lot more binder than softer brands.

I'd give those drawing pastels of yours a quick test to see if they "dissolve" in water. Rub one over your paper and then apply water with a brush. If it "dissolves", then it's not wax at all and is pastel. If it doesn't, then it probably contains wax and is a crayon.

I put "dissolves" in quotes because pastel isn't watercolor and not 100% soluable, so don't expect a nice watercolor wash http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Hope this helps.

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