PDA

View Full Version : art calendar gripes


Roderick Samuels
07-20-2000, 07:50 PM
why is it that the art calendar hot tub crowd hate this site so darn much?? is this a competition or are they jealous? this site is one of the best ive seen yet they seem to hate it any ideas?

cagathoc
07-20-2000, 08:04 PM
huh? Last issue art calender put out they reviewed this site and gave it a 95% rating.

cagathoc
07-20-2000, 08:07 PM
do you mean the forum posters at their web site? arlene came from there and I don't think she hates us???

c

Rod
07-20-2000, 08:26 PM
I would guess they are jealous of our family community that has built up here,
Rod

------------------
Rodzart from New Zealand (http://www.artistnation.com/members/paris/rodzart/)

arlene
07-21-2000, 12:19 AM
Actually there are quite a few of us who audit both sites gladly.

Linda Blondheim
Myself
Tim Guthrie
Keith Halanon
Ron {Crockett St. Gallery}
Sandi

I don't remember anyone making negative comments about this site.

The difference as I see it is this site is geared more towards those learning art skills and A/C is geared towards information on how to move your career forward.

Not to say that both forums don't do both, they do. It's a matter of degree.

I find both informative and useful to me. Also, Rod, we have quite a family there too. The Great Still Life Adventure grew out of our discussions over there and in October a group of us will be exhibiting {Sandi is part of the group} at the Kerr Cultural Center in Scottsdale, AZ.

I would be hard pressed to leave either group, as well as Sunshine Artist Magazine and The Crafts Report Magazine forums. All four have taught me alot, and given lots of new friends.

------------------
http://www.artdebut.com/arlene0.htm

[This message has been edited by arlene (edited July 20, 2000).]

kg7er
07-23-2000, 02:31 AM
I don't hate anybody over here; that's for sure. I hang out at AC and here and dArt and a few other boards. Everything's Jake, as far as I'm concerned!

(Well, there is a certain artist from Hanoi I have a minor problem with, but that's being cleared up, and I don't think he posts here, anyway.)

------------------
Ron Marshall
Crockett Street Gallery (http://csg-arts.com)

[This message has been edited by kg7er (edited July 23, 2000).]

arlene
07-23-2000, 04:31 PM
Sandi,
I think proportionately is what Linda meant. While AC has alot fewer members, 99% of them are professional.

Here, I would guess that the %is between 25%-50% are professionals. But considering the # of members here, the total number of professionals in each forum, are probably equal. LOL.

------------------
http://www.artdebut.com/arlene0.htm

blondheim12
07-23-2000, 11:23 PM
Sandi,
I meant no offense to anyone. Arlene is correct. Wet Canvas does alot of methods teaching and AC Does not. AC is more focused on career advice and marketing for pros. They are both outstanding forums.
Linda www.lindablondheim.com (http://www.lindablondheim.com[/URL])[/url]

[This message has been edited by blondheim12 (edited July 23, 2000).]

blondheim12
07-24-2000, 01:04 AM
Hi,
I really like this forum. I've been at the AC forum for about two years and it isn't that different except that most of the folks that post there are pros. I enjoy this one just as much. I don't know why anyone would say anything negative about this forum. Arlene is right. Many of us post on several forums.
Linda http://www.lindablondheim.com

blondheim12
07-25-2000, 03:31 PM
Hi Sandi,
I'd love to hear your thoughts about the landscape market in California.
Linda

cagathoc
07-26-2000, 09:16 AM
Why do you guys at AC call yourselves "the hot tubbers"?

4vincent
07-26-2000, 10:05 AM
Yea, I'd like to know that myself! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/wink.gif

arcitect
07-26-2000, 11:07 AM
We are talking about an official "Art Calender" forum, as in the journal? Sounds pretty cool, but you are all safe at AC -I barely have time for WC!

WC has a lot of beginners, and Art Calender (the Magazine) is trade magazine primarily geared towards working artists. The focus is on the business end.

The thing beginners have to understand is that BEFORE you get paid, you look at art and art making one way -when the money shows up, well things change. You look at it differently, for better or worse.

Example- your first group show you say, "YIPPEE, I AM IN A SHOW!". A little further down the line, you are saying, "I am in another group show and I BETTER get the POSTCARD!" (or brochure cover as the case may be). A certain innocence is lost, and this may sometimes make working artists seem a little callous -there are certain art world realities that change you.

arlene
07-26-2000, 11:33 AM
Hi Cindy,
The reason we are called the hot tubbers is somewhere along the line, to calm down a thread, someone suggested we all get in the hot tub to soak awhile.

That also led to each of us adding our own fantasies to the picture, moet, cavier, massages, etc.

When things get too out of hand, we have Nurse Ratchet who comes around dispensing medicine. And once in a while, when the children start acting up, teacher comes out and makes everyone go back to work.

Since moving over to a new forum layout, we all moved into the "offices" where everyone had fun decorating. Mine is the 60's with black lights, mod posters, and just to keep it interesting a black velvet elvis and a Dna encoded print by the big faker himself, TK.

And yes Arc, is correct that the magazine does deal in the business of art.

BTW: Since I sold my first piece of art when I was ten, I must have always been a bit jaded. LOL http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/eek.gif

------------------
http://www.artdebut.com/arlene0.htm

blondheim12
07-26-2000, 05:53 PM
Hi Arlene,
Yes, I know what you mean. I won my first prize in an adult show at 13 years old and I am 50 now. We've been arists a long time huh?
Linda

------------------
www.lindablondheim.com (http://www.lindablondheim.com)

CkA
07-26-2000, 08:00 PM
sounds like a wiiiilllllllddddd crowd. ;D

Keith Halonen
08-01-2000, 04:47 PM
I have 2+ to contribute. Perhaps someone has misconstrued different or simpler to signify hate. It's a leap, but distance seems easily obviated by cyberspace communications.

It is true that some folks at AC had a conniption fit when they first encountered the software package which AC settled on for their forum, the same software which WetCanvas uses. But that software is used by numerous forums of all types all over the Internet. It is very popular.

Some few went off the deep end comparing stars rankings to either kindergarten or Nazi death camps (take your pick, talking about stretching an idea), and if I live the rest of my life without seeing a happy face I won't miss them. But these things are not a foundation for hate, and since both forums are art forums similarities are inevitable, so the main thing I have stressed is that it ought not to be AC's intention to directly emulate WetCanvas.

This is particularly true with respect to the many forums here at WC. I can get easily get lost here and imagine that it must be a bit confusing (even time-consuming) at first to newcomers, but the solution is simple enough: if you paint in oils, the watercolor forum is probably not for you! You simply go where you will most likely fit in.

WetCanvas folks should realize they have almost 1400 members while AC Forum has fewer than 100 registered members! If AC had as many forums as WetCanvas there would be about 3 people in each forum. Yee-haw, what fun!

As AC Forum expands I would presume that the members there would begin crying out for subdivisions in their forum structure, and then it might be appropriate to take a hint from WetCanvas' lead. I doubt WetCanvas members ought to feel threatened in any way by anything said about this fine site at AC's Forum. There are a few cranky types who express animosity everywhere in this world, and cyber netizens are not exempt from this sampling.

If you've read anything overtly derogatory about WetCanvas at AC, be apprised that any such opinions must be from a distinct minority of our posters. I have openly stated that WetCanvas is huge and dizzyingly complex for me, but that is not exactly a hateful assertion. Nonetheless I contribute and try to be helpful where I can. AC drives me wild from time to time. And dART can be vexing as well. But let's remember that it's not the forums themselves, it's a few individuals here and there, an occasional personality conflict.

Besides, I subscribe to the sticks'n'stones school of communication. Basically, we're all on the telephone here, maybe even a step removed. I can take it just fine if I have to, and I can even dish it out if I'm really feeling pressed. But I just don't get much of a thrill from dishing it out.

I'm here to enjoy. And that's also why I'm at ArtCalendar and dART. My parade is rainproof.

annbaldwin
08-03-2000, 11:36 AM
I agree with whoever said that to a newcomer these message-boards can be confusing! After the age of 50 it can be hard keeping all those topics in memory, let alone following the meandering threads of a particular subject. But here goes:
(1)As a contributing writer to Art Calendar and WetCanvas, I do a see a difference in the 'readership'. Art Calendar's main focus is certainly career artists, whereas WC's is far more eclectic (I love that it is!) I once wrote an article for AC about art fairs which was considered too lighthearted and lacking 'meat'. WC published it immediately.
(2) It is absolutely true that once you start to make art your career, you can easily lose some of the excitement in making art. I remember the first group show I was accepted into, I leapt around the living room screaming my head off as if I'd won the lottery. Nowadays, if it isn't in New York, I simply start considering the schedule for getting the piece shipped or delivered. Sometimes I complain about the extra work.
(3) Linda asked about landscape painting in California. As an abstract painter who was once a landscape painter, I can tell you that there are THOUSANDS of landscape painters in the Bay Area. This makes the competition to sell landscapes very tough indeed. Not only that, but with the trademark golden hills, Golden Gate Bridge, and the Bay, it's hard to make your landscape stand out in a crowd. Unless you're a superb photorealist (which always seems to impress the public), or a luminist (ah, that golden light), or an exhibitionist/expressionist with a highly original style, you're going to have a hard time making it.
I definitely sound jaded! Didn't mean to...I still paint closet landscapes - how could I not when surrounded by all this beauty??

------------------
Un-Sensational Ex-Brit at www.annbaldwin.com (http://www.annbaldwin.com)