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dcorc
07-01-2004, 05:38 AM
This month we are looking at the work of Abbott Handerson Thayer (1849-1921)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-thayer.jpg

and are painting Roses 1890 56.69x79.55 cm - 22.32x31.32 inches

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jun-2004/7568-MOM-roses-July.jpg

Oil on canvas, Museum of American Art, Smithsonian Institution, USA

BIG version here (http://www.dcorc.co.uk/roses.jpg)

Biography
Thayer was born in Boston in 1849. His introduction to classical ideals began with academic training in Paris under Jean-Leon Gerome at the Ecole des Beaux Arts.

Returning to New York in 1879, he established a successful career painting society portraits. Later portraits, however, develop beyond likeness into the psychological examinations that would increasingly occupy him.

In the late 1880s, as the tuberculosis and depression of Thayer's beloved wife, Kate Bloede, worsened, he began painting their three children in classically inspired compositions that depict them as embodiments of perfection, influenced by Ralph Waldo Emerson's transcendentalist writings and the concept of an ideal world existing beside the material world.

Thayer stated to paint large-scale angelic protective figures "guardian angels" usually winged The first of these, in 1887, "Angel," was a luminous portrait of his eldest daughter Mary

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-angel.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-enthroned.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-virgin.jpg

In "Virgin Enthroned," painted in 1891 after his wife's death, Thayer's daughter appears as a Madonna-like seated figure watching over her siblings. A further painting, "Virgin", similarly shows his children again (note, in this, the way the clouds suggest wings).

In 1901, Thayer moved his family to an artists' colony in Dublin, New Hampshire, cultivated a rough persona and became disdainful of social conventions. He and his family slept outdoors and kept wild animals as household pets. However, he remained connected to the world of art and ideas, maintaining a lively correspondence with contemporaries such as Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain), patron Charles Lang Freer and President Theodore Roosevelt. His homage to the writer Robert Louis Stevenson, titled "Stevenson Memorial" (1903), features a pale brooding figure enveloped by darkness, seated on a rock marking Stevenson's grave.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-stevenson.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-peacockcamo.jpg

While living in New Hampshire, Thayer's interest in the natural world expanded to include scientific observations of animal camouflage, or "protective coloration." "Peacock in the Woods" (1907) illustrates Thayer's ideas of nature as an artist using color and shadow to disguise animals in the environment. With his son, Gerald, Thayer published his theories in Concealing-Coloration in the Animal Kingdom (1909), According to this theory, " animals are painted by nature darkest on those parts which tend to be most lighted by the sky's light, and vice versa" Thayer's concept was based on his observations of the ways in which nature "obliterates" contrast. One is by blending: the colorations of animals, he said, mimic their environments. The second is by disruption: strong arbitrary patterns of color flatten contours and break up outlines, so creatures either disappear or look to be something other than what they are.

He studied how this might be applied to, and promoted the idea of, military camouflage. Ultimately Thayer’s law of obliterative countershading did receive official acceptance, and during World War I, both the Allies and the Germans made use of his theories in their efforts to camouflage military personnel and matériel.

After World War One, Thayer helped establish a bird sanctuary on the New England coast, and "Monadnock Angel" (1920-1921) commemorates his active role in Mount Monadnock's preservation as a state park. Mount Monadnock had been threatened with commercial development, and the preservation of its forests became a personal cause for the artist. He became a staunch conservationist. To support that work, he founded the Thayer Fund which, through the National Audubon Society, paid for wardens to protect bird sanctuaries up and down the east coast.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-monadnock.jpg

Thayer began exploring less traditional methods, leaving areas of the canvas exposed. Increasingly, he created heavily brushed, almost abstract areas of paint, sometimes using a palette knife. He used unconventional means to manipulate paint including a common broom or applying it directly from the tube. He might work on a single canvas for years, adding paint and scraping it away until he achieved the essence of his subject. Thayer's deliberately unfinished canvases - such as "Monadnock Angel"-- allow the viewer to experience the painting's creation. Thayer was working with the modern notion that the key to understanding his paintings is in the process of their creation. Thayer died on the 29th May 1921, having suffered a stroke.

(Discussion of the painting technique for "Roses" follows!)

Dave

Zarathustra
07-01-2004, 05:43 AM
Thanks Dave! I'm looking forward to this one.

Can I just mention this thread for anyone new joining in. It appeared in the oil forum last month and discusses Thayer's painting amongst us WC members.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196786

Biki
07-01-2004, 05:53 AM
influenced by Ralph Waldo Emerson's transcendentalist writings and the concept of an ideal world existing beside the material world.

I LIKE this guy, Thayer.

I do really hope i can find the time to join in again this month.
This is a wonderful painting by & much admired (by moi) artist.

dcorc
07-01-2004, 07:02 AM
Hi Z, Biki

I was just about to mention that discussion thread :) - there are some great suggestions there for palette choices and working approaches.

Looking at some areas of the painting in detail (bottom left hand corner here)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-rosesan1.jpg

we see what appears to be a toned ground, with thin paint loosely, brushily applied over that, in mainly horizontal strokes here. We see little evidence of canvas texture, but some areas show paint applied in a dy-brush way, picking up raised areas within previously applied brushmarks.

Looking at the vase:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-rosesan2.jpg

we see the main part of it is indicated in various fairly dull blue-greens, as dabbed, straight, and sometimes curved strokes, with occasional hatching , as over on the left - all painted on top of a thin reddish-brown underpainting whch shows through in many places. Thayer seems to have reserved the area for his highlight; and places this in with short more heavily-loaded strokes of an intense blue and white which seem to have been picked up together on the brush.

The flowers:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-rosesan3.jpg

The edges of petals and leaves seem to have been indicated in a reddish-brown underpainting - different areas appear differently coloured though, with some a lighter reddish brown, and others a duller darker brown - then painted in fluid paint, possibly in a couple of layers - the flower in shadow (bottom left, here) is barely suggested.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-rosesan4.jpg

One or two areas in the petals show soft blending - a wide range of muted blue-greens through to olive greens are used for the leaves, with occasional touches of stronger blues and yellows.

The background is a welter of greyed-greens, with touches of pinks browns and blues - the paint appears thicker centrally than on the periphery of the painting, where more underpainting/toning shows through.

suggested palette (personal opinion here, other good suggestions in the discussion thread referred to above) :

for toning and underpainting:
white
yellow ochre
burnt sienna
burnt umber

for main painting:
white
cadmium yellow light
alizarin crimson
veridian
chrome oxide green
cobalt blue
burnt sienna
burnt umber

Hog Bristle brushes are the weapons of the day for this one, flats for coverage, and perhaps the odd round will come in useful for a few areas, such as the sightly impasto highlights on the vase. I'll also have a softer blender, which I will try to be restrained about!

The painting is fairly large 22x31 ins - I'm working smaller than that, 16x22ins.

Dave

Zarathustra
07-01-2004, 07:56 AM
Apologies for jumping the gun on you Dave.

Thanks for the extra info. Very informative.
I'm going to have to take a bit of a Zorn approach and try a more direct effort as I'm pushed for time, and since taking myself further away from the alkyds, the oils take considerably longer to dry.

dcorc
07-01-2004, 08:10 AM
Z - it's great that people are so keen to get going on it! :)

It is a bit Zorn-like in some ways, so that would be a good approach to take, I'd guess.

Biki - I thought you'd like Thayer's spirituality - he's a fascinating and complex character, I think.

Dave

Zarathustra
07-01-2004, 09:06 AM
I think the background, vase and two or three of those flowers cry for an alla prima approach. One or two of the more detailed flowers could benefit from a layered approach. Hope to get started this weekend.

dcorc
07-01-2004, 09:20 AM
I think the background, vase and two or three of those flowers cry for an alla prima approach. One or two of the more detailed flowers could benefit from a layered approach. Hope to get started this weekend.


Agreed - when I talk about a brown underpainting here, I don't necessarily mean to imply that he let it dry before proceeding to the main colours - it's just a turpsy preparatory sketch, rather akin to the blue one in the Cezanne, but done with rather more facility, I think. It's certainly not a full-scale griseille-type approach in browns as some of us used for the Caravaggio (though if people wanted to do that, that's fine too by me - I'm not a purist, in these things, by any stretch of the imagination :) )

Dave

artbabe21
07-01-2004, 09:39 AM
Oh, those flowers! :crying: :crying: :crying: !!!

Hey, my fave finally arrived and yet it's so complex...AND it will be my first. I look forward to the challenge... :eek:

I hadn't know til several weeks ago that he was the one who painted the beautiful angelic children I have admired for many years!! What a guy! :angel:

Thanks Dave for posting this & I just stuck it...:)

bjs0704
07-01-2004, 09:39 AM
I can't wait to get started! It looks like a good one! Thanks for posting it Dave!

Barb Solomon :cat:

WV.Artistry
07-01-2004, 10:48 AM
This month we are looking at the work of Abbott Handerson Thayer (1849-1921)

Dave

A well presented introduction.

'mind if I join in?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_Sketch.jpg

artbabe21
07-01-2004, 10:57 AM
welcome Hamlin to WC and the oil forum!! :)
what an excellent start!! good to see you joining us on this journey!!

Zarathustra
07-01-2004, 11:00 AM
Greetings Hamlin - welcome to wetcanvas, and great to have you join in the project. You've got a great start on this one - you'll have to tell us a little about yourself. ;) Have you been painting in oils for long?

artbabe21
07-01-2004, 11:08 AM
OK, my rough quick sketch...this one is really going to be exciting...:)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/7568-Thayer_roses_sketch.jpg

artbars
07-01-2004, 01:02 PM
Welcome Hamlin to WC!!! :)

dcorc
07-01-2004, 02:14 PM
Good starts there, Cath and Hamlin (welcome, by the way! :) )

I've made a start too - using my usual board rather than canvas - 16x22.6ins. Acrylic primed a few days ago. I've decided to use a 50/50 mix of Michael Harding Flake White and W&N Titanium White Alkyd for this (looking to keep the brushstrokes and build a slight impasto - I may use straight Flake White for some areas, later, haven't decided yet.) other colours all W&N alkyds.

Toned yesterday with White, plus a little Yellow Ochre and Burnt Umber.

Today, drew a rough underpainting sketch using Burnt Umber and Burnt Sienna, with a couple of no.1 hog bristle rounds (and a certain amount of erasing :p , with a no8 flat and mineral spirits)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-dcroses1.jpg

Dave

Rosic
07-01-2004, 02:39 PM
Hamlin... Welcome and glad you joined in on the fun.
Dave and Cathleen... You guys are sharp as ever! ;)

I am basically at the same stage Cathleen is with mine.
I am working on 20"x16" gessoed masonite.

You guys won't hear anything from me till the 12th... going on another vacation to the mountains (leave late tonight). I may start this one when I get back... kind of intimidated to work this one alone with out my pards to hold my hand! ;)

Hope to see a ton of entries when I get back! :)

Bernie

artbabe21
07-01-2004, 02:43 PM
Bernie, thanks....looking forward to some learning here. Have a wonderful time with your family!! :) Anxious to see how we all do :confused: :angel: :evil:

Dave, I certainly like where you are going with this...I'll stay right behind you!!

dcorc
07-01-2004, 03:09 PM
Bernie - another holiday?? :p

Cath - thank you!

Since I last posted, ~50 mins ago, :evil: I've just scrubbed in the background - it looked a bit too rough and ready so I dug out a really old badger-hair blender and softened it a little with that.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jul-2004/30792-dcroses2.jpg

Dave

artbabe21
07-01-2004, 04:29 PM
Oh...DAVE!! you're killin' me...I can't keep up...LOL... :eek:

but wow, what a difference 50 minutes can make...wooooeeeeeeee! Lookin' really good!

Biki
07-01-2004, 06:26 PM
Welcome Hamlin :) - cool name :cool:

oh - i DO want to do this one..... and i WILL - even if i have to wait until August.!!

at least i can enjoy watching. :D :clap: :clap:

dcorc
07-02-2004, 07:06 AM
Next stage - colours, Cobalt Blue and White; plus Veridian, and Chrome Oxide Green - and to get the near-black, Veridian, Cobalt Blue, and Alizarin Crimson - Permanent (which is really Anthraquinone, PR177)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2004/30792-dcroses3.jpg

and a closup on the pot, to show the brushwork (no 6 long filbert, and a no 1 round for the Cobalt Blue and White highlights).

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2004/30792-dcrosescu1.jpg

Dave

artbars
07-02-2004, 09:04 AM
Dave -You the remarkable guide! Both on knowledge and on practice.
At everyone beautiful start!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well. I also today of beginnings...... 16-24 inches a canvas... It is complex(difficult) to me while to support specific conversation (about paints and methods of this perfect artist).... I simply shall try to explain that I do(make):)

H. -note:The mistake in colour is not terrible - mistake in tone worse!!!
In the beginning I think of tone of -70 percents and only 30 percents about colour and textura. At the end of work 50 on 50

The large flat brush - I am a lot of paint a box on a canvas. This first layer of a paint is the best ground:)
That's all... Bleached( White) it is desirable less... It is better to decide with the help of contrast of colour

dcorc
07-02-2004, 11:25 AM
Pavel - Thank you! (the cheque's in the post for saying such nice things about me! :D )

It's great to have you join us on this! I think you give excellent advice - at the start, getting the (brightness) values approximately right is more important than getting the exact colours.

You're making rapid progress there! (Cath, take note! :D )

Here's my next stage (I'm at home today :) )

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2004/30792-dcroses4.jpg

Yellow roses are Cadmium Yellow light + White + a little of the "grey mud" scraped together from the mixing area of the palette from yesterday (I'm keeping the paint under clingfilm on the palette) Pink roses are some mixes of Alizarin Crimson Perm. + White, along with the pale yellow mix and occasional touches of Cobalt Blue. Leaves are in yesterday's greens plus a little blue and white, or yellow in places. Mostly painted with no 1 bristle rounds - though occasional sharp edges and points of leaves are with a softer synthetic round.

Here's a closeup to show brushwork:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2004/30792-dcroses4cu.jpg

All paint is being applied at the consistency as it comes out the tube - no medium, no thinning.

Dave

Zarathustra
07-02-2004, 12:48 PM
Gees, people are getting through this one at a pace aren't they! Must be all that previous MOM project experience!
It's interesting to see everybody's individual style's coming out in their reproductions.

Artbars - you've got a nice start on this and I see your favourite violets are making an appearence!

Dave - very painterly, I should think you're about ready to sign it aren't you?! Colours are very vivid, I presume this is your style and was an intentional decision?

Looking good!

I'm hoping to get going this weekend.

dcorc
07-02-2004, 01:06 PM
Thanks, Z - it's turning out a bit more vivid than I had intended, actually :D - I just seem to be mixing a bit more saturated than I should be, perhaps - possibly a fear of ending up with mud, resulting in ending up going in the opposite direction and making it gaudy :rolleyes:

I certainly am not fond of hog-bristle brushes - they force a certain ham-fisted style (perhaps because they are porcine :p ).

Dave

Zarathustra
07-02-2004, 01:33 PM
Hey Dave - this is acquired knowledge, but I have read that there's no such thing as mud, just incorrect colour temperature. ;)
I hope to get a few transparent oxide pigments into mine to try and get closer to the Thayer tone, but ideally you need 100+ years to let a few layers of paint fade slightly. :D

I'd never really used the hog brushes until Zorn, but now it's hard to imagine painting without them!

I certainly am not fond of hog-bristle brushes - they force a certain ham-fisted style (perhaps because they are porcine ).

lol!
I wonder how many brushes they can make out of one pig?

Was it Chamelion who made a brush from his own hair?!! Maybe that's why he only has the beard!! lol... Actually I think it was probably another chap on this forum - I forget the alias.

artbars
07-02-2004, 02:05 PM
Dave Some details are already remarkable!
Yes! I have learnt many congratulatory words:) And now I shall apply them:) Friends be protected!!!
Zar Violet:) Wanted as better, but it has turned out as always!:) And you see there was a time when I did not use a violet in general!

WV.Artistry
07-02-2004, 02:24 PM
Palet A

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_Palet_A.jpg

WV.Artistry
07-02-2004, 02:58 PM
Palet A

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_Palet_1.jpg

bjs0704
07-02-2004, 04:59 PM
It’s great to seeing how busy everyone is with this painting! I have a drawing and my Grace copy to finish up before I start this one! It looks like a good painting to try - I can’t wait to get started!

Dave - Your close ups for this painting are wonderful! Thanks!

It looks like he would have made an outline sketch in burnt sienna on a brownish toned canvas for his first step.

Hamlin - What a nice start!

Cathleen - Good job!

Dave - It looks lovely! Your vase is looking fantastic! The flowers are also looking so beautiful! It’s going along great!

Bernie - I hope that you have a happy vacation!

Pavel - It’s nice to see that you have joined us for this month’s MOM!

It’s coming along beautifully! The combination of colors in the background are lovely! The vase has a really nice iridescent look to it!

Hamlin - What a nice start! Your underpainting is lovely! I love the brownish tones!

Barb Solomon :cat:

guillot
07-02-2004, 07:40 PM
Wow - remarkable guys!!

Great starts everyone !!!!!!

I won't be able to participate in this months, immediately anyway - I'll be gone 3 weeks this month. But definitely plan on tackling it when I get home. Had to get a new computer monitor - I blew it up, LOL :D So, my computer should be new considering everything I've had to put into it lately! blasted thing is only 2 years old anyway!!!

Every chance I get I'll peek in!! I can't wait to see how everyone does this one.

I can't believe you guys have already done SO MUCH!!

((Cathleen))

Later guys,
Tina

WV.Artistry
07-02-2004, 08:24 PM
How's it coming Richard????? I believe your experiments will pay off in the completed version !!!!!

Tina

Let's hope so. This is a humble beginning. My intent is to make it "glow", and though Dave uses the word "illuminosity", I've suspicions he has a synonymn tool :)

I have a new user ID. I needed to shave, bury some baggage, and put a divorce in the past. This piece is a good place to begin, or start over, to do whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing in art. The avatar is "Shepherd Piper" by Sophie Anderson (I look younger without the beard, ey?), same era as Thayer.

Hamlin was a name I created for myself as a child . . . long story short.

Have a safe and happy 4th,

Richard

dcorc
07-02-2004, 08:34 PM
Let's hope so. This is a humble beginning. My intent is to make it "glow", and though Dave uses the word "illuminosity", I've suspicions he has a synonymn tool :)

I have a new user ID. I needed to shave, bury some baggage, and put a divorce in the past. This piece is a good place to begin, or start over, to do whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing in art. The avatar is "Shepherd Piper" by Sophie Anderson (I look younger without the beard, ey?), same era as Thayer.

Hamlin was a name I created for myself as a child . . . long story short.

Have a safe and happy 4th,

Richard

Good! again, welcome to the new you! :) - actually the word I used was "luminosity" (just to be a pedantic pain :) ) - it's true, I do have a synonym tool, which is stored between my ears. :D

The painting has a wondrful richly-patinated look at this point Richard - looks like your studies in the "Thayer" thread are being applied to good effect!

Dave

WV.Artistry
07-02-2004, 09:51 PM
. . . actually the word I used was "luminosity"
Dave

I stand verbatim'd :)

Thanks for the comment. It's something to remember if carrying the bread at the Eucharist, which is, I suppose, in line with the etheral quality of Thayer's work.

If you painted over it, I'd like to see a detail of your lower left corner. It appeals to me.

artbabe21
07-02-2004, 09:59 PM
welcome Pavel, thrilled you'll be joining us for Thayer!! You're off to a terrific start...:)

Richard, you could have fooled us all with this new ID....you could have changed the existing one instead of beginning over but it looks like you wanted a new start! Nice job btw!!

Dave, bravo! I will follow you.....but not til I sort out the mess in my studio! :)

Hey (Tina) glad you are here in spirit & will miss you when you are off on your trip.

Barb, I sure hope you can join us at some point!! :)

Annick
07-02-2004, 11:14 PM
Hello again to all of you masters in painting! Quite intimidating the progress all of you have already made on the July MOM - and it's only the 2nd of July! My fingers are tingling with the urge to follow all of you...

Richard, I particularly like the greenish/earth tones you started... I think I would just as well frame it just the way it is! WOW! I think I see some of that sap green in there... Might follow in your footsteps and benefit from your study of it. Barely starting in oil - u know. 14 months old, barely walking... but trying!

DAVE _ you are a Thayer encyclopedia! I read all of the pre-July info on the Thayer piece (and all comments by everyone here). Must say that I'm looking forward to starting tomorrow... Will buy the canvas in the morning and start in the afternoon. This forum (MOMs) is so much fun... Vraiment (really)! How did you come to know all those pigment names anyway!?

So much to learn... such a challenge! :clap: Looking forward to it! :clap: :clap:

To all americans, have a great 4th of July! :D I'll be at the Montreal Jazz Festival in the meantime... :music: :music: :music:

Annick
Montreal, Canada

artbabe21
07-02-2004, 11:35 PM
Must say that I'm looking forward to starting tomorrow... Will buy the canvas in the morning and start in the afternoon. This forum (MOMs) is so much fun... Vraiment (really)! How did you come to know all those pigment names anyway!?


Good for you Annick!! :clap: So glad you are joining us! Best to jump in & just say you CAN do it....heck, I don't know IF I can, but I tell myself I can.

We all have our doubts, our difficulties. That's why doing it together is so beneficial! :D It is a pretty fun forum....that's our aim, to learn & have sum fun as well! ;)

I'm just following Dave, and will add whatever else I see...:)

Pigment numbers & names are on the tubes and there is a list some where... :confused:

guillot
07-03-2004, 02:44 AM
I have a new user ID. I needed to shave, bury some baggage, and put a divorce in the past. This piece is a good place to begin, or start over, to do whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing in art. The avatar is "Shepherd Piper" by Sophie Anderson (I look younger without the beard, ey?), same era as Thayer.Richard

Well, my goodness. "tis OK..... Richard .... the lion hearted" Find your path my friend ... don't understand why this piece gives you direction, but we've all had to one time or another find ourselves - I think.... you've always been there anway. Hope that you find your direction in art - let it go........ We'll always be here for you..... :angel:

Thank GOD for you Dave :angel: Your are truly a blessing.

Wish I could get going with it ............ :p

Tina

Zarathustra
07-03-2004, 02:58 AM
Let's hope so. This is a humble beginning. My intent is to make it "glow", and though Dave uses the word "illuminosity", I've suspicions he has a synonymn tool

I have a new user ID. I needed to shave, bury some baggage, and put a divorce in the past. This piece is a good place to begin, or start over, to do whatever it is I'm supposed to be doing in art. The avatar is "Shepherd Piper" by Sophie Anderson (I look younger without the beard, ey?), same era as Thayer.

Hamlin was a name I created for myself as a child . . . long story short.

Have a safe and happy 4th,

Richard

You know, I had a sneaking suspicion that Hamlin was a new identity for somebody we already knew! Great to have you with us - you've got a wonderful start on this.

And good luck on your new journey.

artbars
07-03-2004, 09:03 AM
Barb YOU find kind words for everyone! A thank to you!

Tina Successful to you of rest! And good monitor:)

Richard Good luck to you in new life!!! The good new name (what it means?). Earlier I could not remember those figures:)
Good beginning!

Cathleen A thank to you!

Step 2. I have passed on a round and soft brush.
I want to tell that really enjoyed this painting. Earlier I copied Mishail Vrubel. It is very similar in some aspects. A fantasy and mosaic.

Zarathustra
07-03-2004, 09:54 AM
50cm by 70cm on cotton canvas. Not finished yet, and I'm getting glare trying to photograph it at the moment, which is why I had to photograph at an angle. Perhaps I'll scan it when it's complete and dry.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2004/9583-thayerroses-repo1.jpg

I started with a gesso and acrylic yellow ochre/ultramarine undertone, then added a slightly turpsy mix of paint for the background, and opted to try a direct painting method as I thought the Zorn project was fun. :)

At the moment the sky's turned so black that I can't see my colours very well, so I might leave it for tomorrow or next week if I'm busy.

artbabe21
07-03-2004, 10:54 AM
wow, Gavin.....a home run! Here you were worried you were so behind & you jump to the finish...how long did this take you give or take? It's quite soft lovely!!

Pavel...I like what you are doing on yours, between you, Dave & Richard there is a lot of help for those who were uncertain about where to start & how to proceed...thanks so much, it makes this project more approachable by breaking it down...:D

artbars
07-03-2004, 11:55 AM
Cathleen Thank to you! This forum the really large and remarkable place! To spy as other artists always work there was mine favourite occupation:). Not having education it is a way quickly to go.
I remember as earlier I ran on Arbat (Moscow) to see as the artists write. And now I have pleasure to see as it the artists from all world do(make) :)

Gavin Really remarkable beginning! :clap:

Zarathustra
07-03-2004, 12:10 PM
Thank you Cath and Artbars.
Artbars, I was chatting to another WC member today (alyona100) and I believe she is from Siberia.

dcorc
07-03-2004, 01:57 PM
Barb, Tina - looking forward to seeing you both tackling this in due course.

Cath - having a go across this weekend?

Annick - don't be intimidated, have a go - it's actually much more straightforward than I thought it was going to be.

Artbars - great progress there! :clap: (For the less-experienced, note Pavel's very well-organised approach to the order in which he paints this - vase and background, then leaves and stems, and then the flowers.) I agree, Pavel, - it's great fun, and very informative, watching others as they work!

Hamlin - looking forward to your next update, Richard!

Zarathustra - it's looking very painterly too! - good to see we haven't lost you to the pencil-pushers! :D (and don't fight with the coloured-pencil folk, now ;) - scribbling away for hours and hours and hours serves to keep them off the streets and out of mischief :p - and I'm sure they'ed come into their own, armed with their sharpened prismacolors, if we need any vampires staked! :D )


Next stage:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2004/30792-dcroses5.jpg

Just continuing to work up leaves and flowers - no.1 hog bristle rounds - putting in highlight areas on petals, I'm using two no.1 brushes - one to lay down the paint, and a second dry brush to blend and soften the back edge of each petal.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2004/30792-dcroses5cu.jpg

Looking at the photo of the original, I'm struck by the way the painting is impressionistic and how much of it gives a feeling that it doesn't quite come into focus (like a Schmid still-life) but swims in and out slightly, as if one's wearing spectacles with the wrong lenses :) - but occasional edges are rendered sharply (as if to give one something to hang on to) - those are getting the soft-brush treatment, using a round synthetic, such as the points of leaves here:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jul-2004/30792-dcroses5cu2.jpg

However, blending on that flower is still all hog-bristle!

Dave

Zarathustra
07-03-2004, 02:29 PM
Haha, I take it you read that thread. :) They're a crazy die-hard bunch - only when they understand the joys of oils will they see! :evil: :angel:

Like the development on your flowers Dave, and you're right - this painting is all about edges there's few sharp edges in Thayer's work.

artbabe21
07-03-2004, 02:49 PM
Haha, I take it you read that thread. :) They're a crazy die-hard bunch - only when they understand the joys of oils will they see! :evil: :angel:


Do point me in the direction please....I was looking at CPs as I can't use pastel pencil, for travel...then I found out you layer it for hours :crying: so I decided oils were the only way...even for travel....or I'll just draw:D

Beautiful job Dave!! You've found your groove. Thanks for the close ups...no painting for me, still cleaning the studio!

WV.Artistry
07-03-2004, 03:33 PM
I'll post in a couple of days. I'm working through the first layer of background. My painting wants to run off into a rendition, rather than a copy. We are debating, and the painting is winning the argument :)

Pavel
I watch with great fascination. Thank you for study of Mihail Vrubel.

Zarthrusta
I can only repeat myself, that you have a superb eye for color.

Dave
Any compliment I attempt falls short of the target.

bjs0704
07-03-2004, 08:13 PM
Richard - I love Your new name and the avatar is wonderful. You had me fooled - I should have know that it was you! :)


Cathleen - I am thinking that I may start the charcoal drawing today.:angel:


Pavel - Thanks! It’s going to look great!

Who is Mishail Vrubel? It sounds like his paintings would be beautiful! It would be neat to see something!


Tina - I’m sorry that you won’t be able to join us this month! I hope that you will enjoy yourself while you are gone!

Oh no! - Your monitor bit the dust!


Annick - I hope that you give this one a try! It would be great to have you join in.

Are you asking how we knew which paint colors were used to do this painting?

The Montreal Jazz Festival sounds like a great place to be. I hope that you have a great time.



Gavin - Your painting is looking wonderful. The combination of colors in the background are really incredible and the flower petals are beautiful!


Dave - It’s just beautiful! The flowers have a wonderful texture!

What’s the advantage of using a hog bristle round? I have used hog bristle flats, filberts and brights, but I have never quite known what the rounds were good for.

Barb Solomon :cat:

Praire Rune
07-03-2004, 08:14 PM
Okay, I thought I would dive in and give this MOM a try. Here's my charcoal sketch. My sketch is a bit large for my canvas, but that doesn't bother me. I might add a single blossom somewhere in the lower right corner. I might not. For some reason, those roses are intimidating :crying: Since this is my first time to send an image, would some one let me know if it comes through? Heidi

bjs0704
07-03-2004, 08:28 PM
Heidi - Your drawing came out really small, so I didn’t get to see it as well as I would have liked. It looks like you have made a good start though.

Barb Solomon :cat:

Praire Rune
07-03-2004, 09:35 PM
I hope this isn't too large, but I'm trying again. Please bear with me as I am learning as I go. Thanks, Heidi

bjs0704
07-03-2004, 10:07 PM
Heidi - How are you posting this? Maybe one of us can be a help!

Your drawing is really good! It's going to be a good painting! :cool:

Barb Solomon :cat:

artbars
07-04-2004, 05:10 AM
Dave Such great work is going!!!
Gavin Thank to you large! She the very interesting artist!
Hamlin Thank to you ! I today have a rest. Many other businesses have collected:)
Heidi Greeting!!!! Good work!
Barb Thank to you ! M.Vrubel Per 95 years I copied these works two. In the Internet I have found bad quality of a photo.
It should be seen in Tretiakovskoj gallery

Princess-swan, Demon

dcorc
07-04-2004, 10:27 AM
Gavin - yes, I did read that thread :p

Cath - If I tidied my studio/workspace, I'd never get round to painting! :eek:

Richard - :o (thanks!) Looking forward to seeing your next stage - don't let the painting win the argument, show it who's boss! :evil: :)

Barb - the no.1 bristle round is just a bit smaller - used in just the same ways as the flats - just think of it as a flat that's about 1/8th inch wide :)

Heidi - which graphics software are you using for your images? There ought to be an "image size" option somewhere there - the max width should be 500 pixels, and the max height 600 pixels.

The drawing looks a good start!

Pavel - thanks! Resting? - I thought you never rested! :)
The Vrubel paintings look very interesting!

............................

Final stage of my version:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jul-2004/30792-dcroses6.jpg

Put in stems, added and reworked a few leaves, put in some shadowing here and there, and off-white along the bottom edge. Done, I think, probably about 12 hours painting time in total.

Dave

loop
07-04-2004, 10:28 AM
Hey guys ... it's only the 4th, and here in the US it's a holiday weekend. These are really great already, give us a chance to catch up, are you sure you didn't start early :evil: .

I gotta say that underpainting by Hamlin is just plain wrong, I am so jelous, it is so delicate looking I just can't wait to see what's next.


Dave, yours is looking good as EXPECTED, very bright and clean

Artbars, I think the colors on yours really add some excitement to this somewhat "somber" painting

Gavin, I had the same idea about doing this direct, ever since the Zorn, I have really been into that style, I see yours worked out great

here is what I've been doing, It's 22"X28"

sketch
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jul-2004/6307-roses_a.jpg

this pic is really crappy, the background is really thin, lots of the ground showing through
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jul-2004/6307-roses_b.jpg

here's where I stopped for now. Just about all of the yellowish color on the vase is just the toned canvas showing through
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jul-2004/6307-roses_c.jpg

loop
07-04-2004, 10:33 AM
Hey guys ... it's only the 4th, and here in the US it's a holiday weekend. These are really great already, give us a chance to catch up, are you sure you didn't start early :evil: .




see what I mean, as I post Dave is Cross posting with his "Final stage" which kinda looks done. :angel: :evil:

artbabe21
07-04-2004, 11:12 AM
see what I mean, as I post Dave is Cross posting with his "Final stage" which kinda looks done. :angel: :evil:

It's OK... LOOP...we still have the whole month! Here I was going to begin last month & have it done by now but life interferred again!

Dave, how extraordinary! Love yours!! It's so GOOD!:D Yes, I agree on the studio, but honestly stuff on the floor grew out to meet each other & I could hardly walk in! It was major! So I got some shelves & that's what I am doing organizing & throwing out 11 years worth of accumulation in this studio! It's all my other mediums that are getting in the way! :crying:

Today is barbecue day & holiday! We'll cook a salmon on the grill... ;)

Welcome Heidi...terrific drawing...remember you CAN edit your first photo at the time...you don't have to go to another post unless too much time has passed, I think it's an hour that you can go back in & edit.

Pavel, enjoy your day of rest...:)

Barb...thanks for staying with us, even though you aren't ready to paint yet!

Zarathustra
07-04-2004, 12:19 PM
Heidi - I like what you have so far. Hope you've sprayed the charcoal with fixative so it doesn't end up in your paint! :eek:

Dave - very nice, vivid and distinctive - I like your leaves too.

Loop - love that vase, it's radiant! Looking very promising.



I got a chance to scan mine today, though I've added nothing further to it since yesterday, but the colours are more accurate on the scan, although it's a little bit darker than it should be. I also grabbed a couple of close ups because my camera is not very good at photographing art.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jul-2004/9583-thayer-zarathustra1.jpg

Just to run through my palette.
Viridian Green (Rembrant), Cobalt Blue Light (Rembrant), Yellow Ochre (Beckers), Transparent Oxide Red (Rembrandt), Madder (Old Holland) - for the roses, Cadmium Lemon (W&N alkyd - very small amount used in some of the flowers).

I used Robert Simmonds hogs hair brushes, and virtually no mediums asides from the slightly turpsy background. Like the Zorn, you begin to realise just how talented these artists were - Thayer's style is stunning, it's quite a humbling experience trying to paint it. Give me another decade or three. :)

guillot
07-04-2004, 02:25 PM
Artbars, Heidi, everyone - good going so far!!!

Dave and Gavin - MY GOODNESS!!!!!!!! :clap: you guys are quick. Both beautifully done!!!

Tina

WV.Artistry
07-04-2004, 02:29 PM
I gotta say that underpainting by Hamlin is just plain wrong, I am so jelous, it is so delicate looking I just can't wait to see what's next.



LOL

Hooded bat faery of death . . . ugh!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_bat_faery.jpg

WV.Artistry
07-04-2004, 02:31 PM
Palet B (w/i/p)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_Palet_B1.jpg

guillot
07-04-2004, 03:12 PM
Holy smoke Richard - it's gorgeous and so warm. Brilliant!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

WV.Artistry
07-04-2004, 03:44 PM
Richard, I particularly like the greenish/earth tones you started... I think I would just as well frame it just the way it is! WOW! I think I see some of that sap green in there... Might follow in your footsteps and benefit from your study of it. Barely starting in oil - u know. 14 months old, barely walking... but trying!


Annick
Montreal, Canada

Merci Annick,

1) Commencez, aucun vert . il illusion de gris. 2) Maintenant, l'umber est vert, petite quantité.

I don't know French. Please accept my apology for the butchery of your language.

My approach may be a little different :) For me, the importance here is light and depth of the composition. I'll use that approach with the background, flora, and then, the vase will be last. At this point, I've only used transparent paints.

Richard

Annick
07-04-2004, 10:07 PM
Richard, thank you for the hint about colors and the absence of green... I sooooooo love where you are going with this painting. I wish I was that good right now. How long have you been painting? And your french is definitely not that bad, since I understood quite well. Thank you for this kind gesture. You are generous. And I see you know a bit of Pavel's language too. You are "polyglote" (don't know the english word for that)? Talents do not stop at painting, I see!

And to all of you of this forum : chapeau! (I tip my hat)
I'm so humbled at seeing everyone's painting... Sometimes, the best word is just WOW. I wish my english was a little more rich in other amazing terms to describe my appreciation. I am learning so much just from the privilege of watching all of you as your work progresses.

I see so much precision in what you've done, Dave! You have amazing drawing skills... I'm so jealous. This might be my hardest stage to work through... Thank you for the encouragement.

I like Pavel's painting as well... Pavel, I think you say you haven't studied painting??? :) I could have been fooled. :p

so many renditions, so many different approaches. I love the diversity. :clap: :clap: :clap:

And Cathleen - you are a great encouragement to all newbies. Thank you for your kind spirit. Gives me much energy to "just do it" (I'm not endorsed by Nike).

So... I haven't started yet. I haven't found the right size canvas. I went to three different small art supply stores, the first didn't have large canvases (!) and the two others were closed on weekends for the summer (owners out painting plein air? Good for them!). So I postponed to Monday. :o

Thanks to all - please continue detailing all you do in order to obtain such great results. I'm writing everything down in a special "etude de Thayer". I pasted everyone's before/after shots to remember where and how to get from 1 to 4... Layers... I mostly studied alla prima so far, but I'm ready to tackle the task... Just wait and see!!! Later, gators...

Annick ;)

artbabe21
07-04-2004, 10:44 PM
Annick...I applaud YOU and your great enthusiasm & zeal to forge ahead.

My secret is I don't know that I can't do it...lol...I just 'do it' as you have said. There IS something to that!!

Have you thought of using masonite wood panel for your painting? I use duron the king of masonite & love it. Much less expensive than stretched canvas. You can either gesso over the wood panel or adhere canvas from a roll (or duck canvas from fabric store & gesso it) but I got a roll of pre primed so I just add another coat of gesso. They are easier to store too...:)

Richard I really like what you have done....it glows. But you have me wondering if the purpose of this project has gotten completely lost. The idea was to copy it like the master did to learn about how each master worked. Of course each person won't get it exactly like the master, since we aren't very good forgers. But I just wanted to bring that up since that was the seed that this project came from. I guess some will always have their own idea of how they want to do this project and that's OK too...you little rebel!! LOL :D

bjs0704
07-05-2004, 12:03 AM
Pavel - I am really glad that you let us know about him. His work is so wonderful and imaginative! They are incredible!

Dave - I have been wondering what I am supposed to do when a #0 flat is too big!

Thanks for explaining the whys for me.

Your finished painting is beautiful! I love the texture and color of the leaves of the roses. It is neat to see the way the color balances itself in the total composition. Good work!

Loop - You have a great start! The background looks good and your vase has really got that iridescence

Cathleen - Did you say salmon on the grill? Can I come over?

Gavin - It looks wonderful! Your version has a warmer feel to it! The flower petals are particularly well done.

Richard - As always, you have found a way to put a bit of youself into your copy! You have created a really beautiful mood in this painting! Great colors!

Barb Solomon :cat:

Praire Rune
07-05-2004, 01:28 AM
My son came over today and helped me work out the kinks on my computer. The next time I post an image, it should be standard size. Thank you for all your kind comments on my drawing. I'm looking forward to painting, although those roses still look scary. :(

Yes, Gavin, I sprayed those roses with fixative. Thanks for the reminder! Your painting is lovely btw! warm, soft...

Dave, love those roses...now if I could get my roses looking like those....

Cathleen, how did the salmon turn out? We burned our brisket...oh well...

Annick, once you get your canvas, I'm looking forward to seeing your rendition...

Richard, incredible energy and color...

Loop, great vase. What colors did you use?

Artbars...wonderful painting!

I am impressed with everything that I am seeing. It's exciting to see the varied color choices among you all. I am definitely going to need to do this painting with a color copy of the original, in hand. I'm not going to attempt to do it "cold turkey" like I did the Cezanne painting.
Heidi

dcorc
07-05-2004, 03:52 AM
I think this is proving to be one of the most interesting months - because this painting really does not lend itself to a tightly painted copy due to the loose nature of the brushwork in the original, it is bringing out the diversity of our approaches.

To some extent, a painter's style might be defined as the set of appearences that are characteristic of that artist even when they believe they are painting photorealistically :) Unless one's ambition is to be a photorealist, this style is something to be cherished (and is distinct from the affectation of a consciously chosen "style").

I think we are all bringing out different facets of this painting, which say as much or more about our own personalities, as about the original painting. I'm intrigued to note, for example, that despite (or because of :p) my best efforts to paint as close a copy as I can, even choosing to use those instruments of Satan the hog-bristle brushes :D , my own has still come out looking both too "tight" and focussed, and too bright/saturated and contrasty (which are all characteristic of the way I paint currently, and not susceptible to easy correction, I'm finding). I'm not displeased with it, don't get me wrong - on the contrary - but I can see so many ways in which it falls short of the original. As Gavin said, it's a humbling experience, trying to paint Thayer's style. :)

Dave

Biki
07-05-2004, 03:59 AM
wow - just look at you guys go.!!!

Dave, Pavel & Gavin - you are absolutely rocking my socks off.
they are SOOOOOO beautiful> !! you even got the transparency of the petals.
I bow to you guys.

Richard, yours is wowing me also. You have once again gone your own inimitable way - that is bleedin' fabulous.!!

It is breaking my heart that i cannot join you. I actually feel quite depressed as the days go by & still yet more packing to do. I am going as fast as I can so i have a little time left over to paint before we move. (sob) :crying:

possibly a good thing tho - coz i will not come close to you lot.

bravo everyone. this is a beautiful painting - and you have done it justice.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

artbars
07-05-2004, 08:13 AM
LOL Football..... Football....:) I was sick for the Greeks, but did not trust that they will win. And they have won!
And our command has left by first, but before it having won at the Greeks:) So was ridiculous

Richard Really interestingly it turns out! Beautifully! As at the old masters

Dave Very beautifully it has turned out! Pleases of an eye colour

Annick Thank to you! Certainly I studied painting - I read the books:)Other education unfortunately is not present

Barb Thank to you! he the artist, very known at us, as Shishkin, Polenov, Kramskoi...... And others


Well!!!!!!!!! 15 or 17 hours on it. The third day. Already begins to like:)

artbars
07-05-2004, 10:03 AM
LOOP The large start!
Gavin As a water colour! That rose so is beautiful in a detail

artbabe21
07-05-2004, 11:49 AM
Pavel...wow...gorgeous finish! :)

This one must be too easy...LOL...you guys have done them so beautifully so quickly!

Please let me set the record straight, I was certainly not criticizing Richard's Thayer, I was merely teasing him about doing something different & fabulous. I think those of you who know me, know I am forever encouraging to everyone OR I wouldn't volunteer the countless hours here on WC that I do... If it came off sounding like I was saying anything else I apologize to you Richard as you have done a fantastic copy of Thayer!:D

Sometimes in trying to make a point, words fail you, that is what happened in that case.

WV.Artistry
07-05-2004, 05:10 PM
Richard Really interestingly it turns out! Beautifully! As at the old masters


Пауль

По-английски, мы имеем фразу, "bass ackwards". Это неправильно записано ради юмора. Это - подобный стиль старым живописцам. От света, в темноту. Тогда, живопись начинается.

There are hints (clues), so I use the style of icons (old masters). But now, I scrape my painting with knife, the highest flower. Because I don't understand these flowers :)

Your flowers are correct drawing. I envy a little :)

It's interesting to watch your development of light, diffusion, and texture building. Thanks for sharing your progress.

Ричард

WV.Artistry
07-05-2004, 05:27 PM
Richard, incredible energy and color...
Heidi

Hello Heidi,

Originally, I had thought about going your direction with a truncated canvas selection :) But I let the painting choose the canvas, and "it" wanted the skew in the opposite direction, with too much side. I've had to compensate a little for compositional purposes. "It" wanted linen too, with lead primer, but I have to draw the line somewhere, ey?

I'll be curious, after you've worked on it, if you find a similar compositional tweaking is in order.

Looking forward to seeing your post.

Richard

Praire Rune
07-05-2004, 07:34 PM
Hi Richard, as soon as I am able to start painting, I will show my progress, but then again, maybe I won't! I am still nervous about those roses! I am just hoping that my roses will at least be somewhat recognizable. I probably won't be able to start painting until the end of the week....which will make this a long week. :evil:
Heidi

bjs0704
07-05-2004, 07:48 PM
Pavel - It turned out beautiful! I love how you made the roses! Your choice of colors is great! :clap: :clap:

I'm going to have to get busy! It isn't going to be easy to catch up to all of you! :cool:

Barb Solomon :cat:

Praire Rune
07-05-2004, 10:45 PM
Pavel, I love the colors in your background! Which colors did you use? By the way, I don't read or write Russian but I do speak a very little bit, "Kak de la?" (Does that make sense?) Have you ever been to the Kaliningrad region of Russia on the Baltic Sea? I've visited there twice. :p Heidi

DLGardner
07-06-2004, 12:56 AM
a late bloomer I am

Dave, thank you for all the detail you have provided. I hope to get to my easel perhaps in the morning to give this a go and get back into painting again. Its been quite sometime.

This is such a beautiful painting. How can flowers look so passionate?


sigh

Hope I do it justice.

Dianne

WV.Artistry
07-06-2004, 01:49 PM
w/i/p

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_Palet_B2.jpg

WV.Artistry
07-06-2004, 02:15 PM
w/i/p

Blue Ochre

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_Palet_B3.jpg

loop
07-06-2004, 03:01 PM
you know I was thinking... I know...I'll try not to hurt myself

work with me here now Master of the month, master of the .... MONTH, hey there's twelve of them therfore the master of the MONTH happens once a month (for most of us, at least in MY time zone, not sure about the rest of you) so at the end of the year we will have [6+3-5 carry the 3-7+22.-11 it's leap year, so divide by the golden mean-4]=12 Mabey one of the mathmatitions here can verify this for me. so at the official end of WC's first annual master of the month ceramony we will have 12 different copies done in a bunch of styles by a bunch of artists.... hmmmm 12 that number seems to ring a bell, what is it,,, it it my birthday ??? nope.. let me check my calendar, yup , just as I suspected..... 12... it's a magic number it seems to repeat itself every year !!!!! EUREKA... did you guys know this all along ??? why didn't you tell me. You know, if we knew someone who could work these computer thingies, they could create us a Master of the month Calendar. with ... pictures of what we did the previous year, mabey even a thumbnail of what is going on in this current year, some major "art interest" dates..... justa thought :angel:

Carey Griffel
07-06-2004, 04:31 PM
:clap: Yea! Here I am!

It's been interesting seeing everyone's progress...they all look so great! I'm excited to join in on this month's for once. I've never been successful at painting flowers (never tried all that hard, either), so this will be cool if I manage to pass this off. :D

Hopefully I can finish this one this month :rolleyes: I haven't been painting much the last little while and I'm excited to hit it full force this month, at least I hope! The benefit of starting the MOM a bit late is that I can "cheat" and learn from you all! :evil: :angel:

Here's my sketch done with charcoal. Already I'm pleased with it, let's hope that opinion stays. ;) My version is 16x20.

~!Carey

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Jul-2004/32203-roses_1sm.jpg

guillot
07-06-2004, 06:05 PM
You know, if we knew someone who could work these computer thingies, they could create us a Master of the month Calendar. with ... pictures of what we did the previous year, mabey even a thumbnail of what is going on in this current year, some major "art interest" dates..... justa thought :angel:

Hiya loop - three steps ahead of you. Mentioned this at the beginning of the year, and the best we could come up with is a separate "subforum" if you will (coming soon). I wanted to put together a gallery, like the HOF, but just with all the pictures of everyone's completed works. I could still do that :D and just make it closed threads in the new upcoming subforum. Can make a little calendar as well. Good idea!!

Pavel - beautiful background !!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm suprised at the speed of you guys :D For something that looks so complicated, you are all doing wonderful !! :clap: :clap:

Tina

Ruth
07-06-2004, 06:10 PM
Ohh! This is one of the MOMs I want to do. How did it get here so fast? Just get distracted for a minute, and another month has started. Y'all have done some amazing work, leaving some of us in the dust. Cough, splutter, cough! :D

I still have some time left, if I try not to get distracted again, maybe I can get this one done before August sneaks in. Am I getting old?

I'll be back.

Ruth

Praire Rune
07-06-2004, 06:49 PM
Richard, your painting glows. . . .warm and rich! Heidi

WV.Artistry
07-06-2004, 10:51 PM
Richard, your painting glows. . . .warm and rich!
Heidi

Thanks Heidi, and you shouldn't be afraid to post -- in fact, I endorse failing as miserably as possible, and as much as possible in the quest. They didn't get the Gaza pyramid built because they had a lot of talent. There are collapsed pyramids all over Egypt and South America, elsewhere, and who knows -- maybe Stonehenge was a pyramid failure too, "Billy Bob, I told you it don't work like this!".

You've got 3 talented artists coming in. Look over their shoulder. D_Garden has wonderful flow and an entire aura of colors, Carey Griffel paints beautifully, structured, and is very methodical, and Ruth paints murals. I'm going to enjoy watching their works in progress because it will be three different approaches. It will be like eavesdropping on a visual conversation.

So find the twinkle in your eye and let the paint be paint.

Personally, I am beginning to hate this painting -- it's really hard!! Some things are okay, but some things I just botched all to hell!! I scraped off the highest flower, repainted it, scraped it off again, and repainted it again this morning -- I had to make one up that I could understand (sigh). And I don't understand the background (yet). Then, if I can't figure out the foreground, I've decided to finish the piece off very aggressively with a putty knife :) Which from the looks of it, is exactly how Mr. Thayer felt about it too.

Have fun.

artbabe21
07-06-2004, 11:35 PM
Carey, Dianne & Ruth....welcome to the project! This is getting to be quite exciting with so many joining in!! :) Good to learn from each other.

I've only completed my drawing so far & will take this on my trip to paint in peace away from home...:) I have most looked forward to this Master & I am certaily blown away by the wonderful finishes we already have!! :) I may well change my mind once I get into it!!

loop
07-07-2004, 08:31 AM
Hiya loop - three steps ahead of you. Mentioned this at the beginning of the year, and the best we could come up with is a separate "subforum" if you will (coming soon). I wanted to put together a gallery, like the HOF, but just with all the pictures of everyone's completed works. I could still do that :D and just make it closed threads in the new upcoming subforum. Can make a little calendar as well. Good idea!!

Tina


ah-ha... only three...last time is was 10...I'm catching up. If "we" do decide to put something together I can convert to PDF for distro.


Glad we have some fresh "MOMers" this month, and hey it's only the 7th.... lotsa time

artbars
07-07-2004, 02:15 PM
Heidi The large thank! Yes I have understood:) There is no I was not in that area.
I can not while write colours in English: (It is a pity

Carey Greeting!

Tina The large thank!

artbars
07-07-2004, 02:17 PM
Personally, I am beginning to hate this painting -- it's really hard!! Some things are okay, but some things I just botched all to hell!!
Have fun.
I sometimes also feel it to the pictures which I do(make) :)

Praire Rune
07-07-2004, 04:49 PM
Okay, okay, okay. . .I'll do it! I'm diving in! I'll start today and block in my painting with washes. By the way Richard, did you say Blue Ochre? Is there such a color? Or did you make it up? :D Carey, Diane, Ruth: welcome! I can't wait to peek over your shoulders! :p Heidi

dcorc
07-07-2004, 05:25 PM
Pavel - :clap: :clap: :clap: Wonderful (as I knew it would be - hope you're going to continue to do MOMs )

Loop - I see I'm getting subliminally volunteered :eek: - managed to take yours on at all, yet - it's looking great so far - you've got the vase beautifully.

Richard - just keep on - I'm intrigued - I think most of us always feel like we are botching at least parts of a painting - courage, my friend. :) The foreground on the original is odd, isn't it - remember that Thayer got into this idea of showing "process".

Carey, Dianne, Ruth, Heidi - great to have you all joining in too!

Cath - I know how much you've been looking forward to this one - I'll look forward to seeing it in due course.

Biki - hope you haven't packed the paintbrushes away yet. Sounds like you'd benefit from finding a bit of time for yourself, to have a go at this (or at least a start - do a charcoal sketch, or a brown wash-in, perhaps, and if you're pushed for time, pick it up from there as soon as you're installed), take a break from organising the logistics of your move :angel:

Annick - got your canvas yet? :)

Tina, Barb - look forward to seeing yours, when you get the opportunity to settle down to them, too, of course :)

Z - you give the impression from a couple of comments that you might develop it further - but it looks done now, painterly and beautiful.

(Hope I haven't forgotten anyone :o )

Dave

bjs0704
07-07-2004, 06:49 PM
Dave ( and all the rest of the MOM gang ;) ) I am still here! I have been working on my charcoal sketch of this. I promise that I will post it when its outlined in oil.

Everybody has been doing such wonderful work!

Barb Solomon :cat:

IMNRTST
07-07-2004, 09:17 PM
Dave....Artbars....Hamlin....Zarathustra....Loop
Outstanding job! Love all of your different color schemes and feel to each different piece.

Here's the start of mine.....about 18"X13" on gessoed masonite
Not sure where i'm going with this yet...but having fun experimenting along the way

rough sketch with a turp wash on top (kinda hard to see)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jul-2004/39999-PDR_0627.JPG

a few layers on the background
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jul-2004/39999-PDR_0636.jpg

Mike

guillot
07-07-2004, 10:28 PM
Thanks Dave - I wish I could take my painting stuff along with me, but unfortunately for the next three weeks - there will be absolutely no time to paint. Taking my sketch book with me though :) Do want to tackle this one though :D You guys are so inspiring.

Mike - I like the direction you are taking!!

If I fail to ever mention anyone's name - please forgive me, it's not intentional - there's so many folks getting involved now, and everyone is just doing a beautiful job so far!!!

Tina

bjs0704
07-07-2004, 10:28 PM
Honest, I AM going to do this one this month! Honest! :D

Here's the outline.

Barb Solomon :cat:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/07-Jul-2004/11410-thayer1.jpg

artbabe21
07-07-2004, 10:58 PM
Mike...welcome to the project!! terrific drawing! :)

Barb...good you are joining us!! :clap: look forward to your progress! :)

Annick
07-07-2004, 11:59 PM
I'm still here, guys. Checking every night where everyone is at... and oooh the progress... I'll be a late bloomer this time. Lots o' work at home (I have a translation contract due in 2 weeks... and I'm BEHINDDDD... feeling the pressure!!!). Since I'm taking my vacation from the 19 to the 31st, I'll probably be doing it then... But Saturday will be my day to catch up a bit (I'd like to be able to AT LEAST do my sketch and 1st wash for the background. You are all so good!!! I don't want to be left in the dust... And I'm eager to learn a thing or two.

I HAVE MY CANVAS - Yeah!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
It's an 18 x 24. It'll have to do. Did not find a 20 x 28, they were out. It is so easy finding the 16 x 20s... Oh well.

Will post on Saturday when something is begun (at the very least...). Until then, keep posting everybody! --- I'm addicted to this forum and I keep coming back for more! :D

Annick

artbabe21
07-08-2004, 12:11 AM
Terrific Annick!!! Glad you will be joining us!! I will be a straggler myself...:)

WV.Artistry
07-08-2004, 02:42 AM
Or did you make it up?
Heidi

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jul-2004/45375-p_vivianite_md.jpg

No. I didn't make it up :)

It's also called Vivianite, which can be improperly identified as natural Prussian blue. Its biggest deposits are mined outside of Moscow.

In the upper region of the pot, I thought it might be a combination of blue ochre and then highlighted with smalt. I was testing it. Mine is darker than this picture -- like the deep eyes of the Atlantic without a shore.

Interesting stuff.

Not right.

Praire Rune
07-08-2004, 10:03 AM
No. I didn't make it up :)

It's also called Vivianite, which can be improperly identified as natural Prussian blue. Its biggest deposits are mined outside of Moscow.

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Very interesting. Prussian Blue I know, but just never heard of Blue Ochre. I have used Prussian Blue with watercolors, but not often enough to make it a favorite color. Blue Ochre makes me think of earth. Blue earth. Do you mix your own paints? Heidi

Praire Rune
07-08-2004, 10:24 AM
Mike, I like what's happening on your painting. It will be fun watching it develop. I especially appreciate your initial color choices.

Barb, I'm glad you are doing the painting, too! I'm looking forward to watching over yours and everyone else's shoulders.

True to my word, I made my first attempt of laying down the thin washes. Notice, how I am avoiding the roses :rolleyes: Heidi

IMNRTST
07-08-2004, 10:58 AM
Thx Tina....Wish i knew which direction it was going myself :D
Thx Cathleen....I'm glad to be here for this one, it's quite the challenge
Thx Praire Rune....Hopefully once a few roses are established i'll be able to decide if my background stays or gets covered, right now i think it's a mess, i crave brighter pigments :p

What a nice start to yours, i can already feel a sense of depth in your painting and your colors work well together :)

see yas
Mike

WV.Artistry
07-08-2004, 11:24 AM
Very interesting. Prussian Blue I know, but just never heard of Blue Ochre. I have used Prussian Blue with watercolors, but not often enough to make it a favorite color. Blue Ochre makes me think of earth. Blue earth. Do you mix your own paints?
Heidi

Blue Ochre is definitely not Prussian Blue, and you are correct, it is Earthy. Don't quote me, but depending on which picture version you look at, it might be described in Vermeer's "Milkmaid".

Except for shaving the rust off of unused garden tools into linseed oil, I don't make my own paints yet. I will probably learn, eventually, because there's a particular color I'm looking for that is my holy grail.

I'm using a Red Earth (an Ochre) in my roses. It transitions from dark purply to light pinkish -- it's an ambassador color :) the twighlight between Yin and Yan.

I like the turp washes you and Mike have done.

Praire Rune
07-08-2004, 11:25 AM
Ooops, my painting is flipped! :D I'll get those kinks worked out, next time! Heidi

Carey Griffel
07-08-2004, 04:03 PM
Thank you for the welcomes and kind words, everyone!

A few progress shots...I had an absolute blast working on this yesterday. What I absolutely LOVE about the original painting is the combination of painting techniques...most of the roses are realistically protrayed while the vase and background are more "impressionistic" (or whatever you want to call it)...your eyes are fooled into believing that the vase is sitting on a table, but of course the table is only barely suggested. I LOVE that. It gives a lot more interest, I think, than can be found in many other paintings where, in a similar set up, the background, etc, is painted in painstaking detail. And in attempting to copy this, I gain a better appreciation of the painting as a whole...and I've only started!

Of late, I've been doing a couple of paintings with verdaccio underpaintings. I find that such a method can help me in regards to values, etc, but it also takes a long time. While I'm not opposed to taking time, I've found that I'm rather stuck when it comes to using color. Working on this yesterday helped me to free that up a bit, I think.

The first picture here is somewhat poor due to the glare on the wet paint. Sorry about that. I began with a mix of white, burnt sienna, burnt umber, and a tad bit of yellow ochre and cobalt thrown in there. I'm not sure that the yellow ochre made any difference as I put so little in, but I had laid it out and mixed some in, anyways. I also am not sure that I greyed it down as much as I had intended to, although I don't think that matters much. I had a great time slapping this layer on with a bit of turpentine. I use mediums very rarely, but when I do, it's usually just to add a bit of turpentine (well, OMS) to the first layer or a bit of oil to a top layer that needs a bit more flow.

I had intended to stop there, wanting this layer to dry. But I just couldn't help myself! :) So I added a bit of oxide of chromium and a bit more cobalt blue and some more white, I think.

I stopped here yesterday because I didn't want to go too far. My own interpretation of the original painting (which could be entirely wrong, but this is how I'm doing it...) is that there was a dry brownish underpainting that was allowed to dry and then successive layers were added. It doesn't look like a *lot* of layers were added, except perhaps with the roses.

I basically obliterated my sketch, but it wasn't detailed in the first place and was intended to give me a place to start and to get the proportions more or less correct. Plus, I've found that, if I draw something out first and then cover it up partially, I can still remember it...the important thing was for me to do it myself once, then (hopefully :D ) I can do it again in paint. The thing is to get it in my head. That's the theory, anyways...

~!Carey

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jul-2004/32203-roses2sm.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jul-2004/32203-roses3sm.jpg

TauCetiV
07-08-2004, 05:21 PM
Everyone has such wonderful talent doing this project... I have enjoyed watching all of the progress! :clap: What do you all do with these project paintings when they are done ?
Terri

Ruth
07-08-2004, 08:15 PM
Here goes! :D

I'm using a 12x16 masonite panel with canvas glued on, because it's what I have available. I did a charcoal sketch (forgot to take photo, sorry :o ) and then blocked in with acrylic (burnt sienna and blue) very thin, leaving the light areas white. I like to establish the big blocks of light and dark right at the beginning. To me, this is the most important step, because I can see the major relationships and the overall look of the painting. If it doesn't look good now, nothing I can do later will improve it. When this dries, I'll begin working with the oil paints. See you later...


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jul-2004/887-acrylicblockin.JPG

Ruth

guillot
07-08-2004, 11:30 PM
Hey Ruth :clap: :clap: beautiful start!!!!!! Looking forward to your version.

Hi TauCetiV (Terri) - well, I believe some have sold some of theirs. Mine are so far all hanging on one big wall, and I'm proud of my wall so far!! It's up to you what you want to "do" with them, I'm painting these to learn from them as close to the actual processes and colors as I can - a lot can be learned. Hope to see you joining us in the future.

Tina

DLGardner
07-08-2004, 11:47 PM
Well Ruth, here we paint side by side again. Brings back fond memories. :)

Everyone is doing so well at this and I just love to see how we each tackle the same painting.

I alas, I don't draw with a pencil. I find it just as easy to draw with paint, much more forgiving and it just seems to make sense to me.

I already had a canvas painted in burnt umber and rose so I thought I would use it. I used green oxide, burnt umber and ultramarine mixed, and permanent red and naples yellow. I see that Thayer like to mix his colors and he pretty much seems to have a minimum palette here. Anyway, here's my start.

It took me awhile to find my instructions for my camera online and then to reset the lighting but I made it. I need a pat on the back for that one. I'm not much of a tech person so I always feel really accomplished when I jump one of those hurdles.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/08-Jul-2004/8002-Roses3.jpg

Florian
07-09-2004, 07:14 AM
He, how many beautiful works here, it’s interesting to see everyone’s progress. Now I started too, using a canvas 45 x 60 cm. This is what I’ve done so far. I used burned Umber, burned Siena, yellow Ochre and Flake White.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jul-2004/39426-Roses_004.jpg

guillot
07-09-2004, 07:39 AM
Hi Dianne - good to see you back and about. Lovely colors you have going on there!!

Florian - great start too!!! So good to see so many new faces.

Tina

Ruth
07-09-2004, 07:46 AM
Hey Tina, thanks! Hey Dianne, yeah, isn't it fun? Yours looks good!

Here's the next step, working on background. I used chromium oxide green, ultra blue, and white to get that aqua color.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jul-2004/887-backgrnd.JPG

Next step was painting in the shadow areas of vase and flowers. I must have jiggled the camera, because it came out all blurry. I went on to painting the middle/light areas before I realized it. So here's the two steps combined in one picture. Shadow areas indicated first, then light areas added. This is all done with big brush and VERY loose.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jul-2004/887-addinglights.JPG


R.

RhiannonJ
07-09-2004, 09:46 AM
Now that I'm finished Rivendell it's looking like I'm just gonna HAVE to jump in on this one! I'll be doing mine on an 18x24 linen canvas. Will post my sketch once it's done.

Rhi

DLGardner
07-09-2004, 02:41 PM
I worked on it a little more, correcting some shapes and all. I just love the fact that Thayer clarified the one rose to make it a focal point and the rest are all impressionistic, fading them out. That's one of my goals in this painting. I'm also having trouble getting the colors right because my computer is in here and my studio is in another building, but I see I need to throw in some more Naples and yellow it up some. Had to re adjust some of the flowers also, but I thought I'd post this progress.

Ruth I love yours. But you are a flower queen anyway. :)
Florian, you have a wonderful start also.
I know I've missed some, sorry, but I'll comment on all of them later when I'm finished.
This is a fun painting, isn't it??
By the way, I'd love to do his portrait. What a great photo of the man, Dave.
Dianne

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jul-2004/8002-Roses4.jpg

RhiannonJ
07-09-2004, 02:52 PM
Looking good, Dianne! Everyone is off on a great start and then Dave, being a show off is already finished! :evil: :angel: Awesome work, Dave!

Pavel, you always have such a lovely palette. Excellent!

Ruth, lovely, beautiful work!

Richard, your painting is stunning and you haven't even started laying down any colour yet!

I just toned my canvas so I'll get started on a rough underpainting sketch.

Rhi

WV.Artistry
07-09-2004, 03:49 PM
Richard, your painting is stunning and you haven't even started laying down any colour yet!

Rhi

I'm working on it . . . maybe post after the weekend.

WV.Artistry
07-09-2004, 04:51 PM
By the way, I'd love to do his portrait. What a great photo of the man, Dave.
Dianne


I think you would do a much better job than Thayer did with his self-portrait :)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_Self_Portrait_2.jpg

bjs0704
07-09-2004, 05:06 PM
I worked on my background. I not that sure about - I may touch it up later.

Barb Solomon :cat:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jul-2004/11410-Thayer1.jpg

DLGardner
07-09-2004, 05:13 PM
I think you would do a much better job than Thayer did with his self-portrait
Wow, what a complement!
Now I'm challenged. Ok for my next project....!

:)
Dianne

bjs0704
07-09-2004, 05:56 PM
Richard - Your blue ochre is lovely. I knew a landscape painter who liked using it. She said that it was great for the blue shadow areas. Since it is grayed, it would look more realistic.

Mike - Your starting out great! I love your choice of colors!

Annick - It’s going to look great!

Prairie Rune - The blues and pinks in your background are lovely!

Carey - Great start! The colors do have a very similar feel to Thayer’s.

Ruth - Your brushstrokes are lovely! Your colors look wonderful. The flowers are turning out great!

Diane - It looks lovely. Those plums are beautiful. It has turned out really well! Having one flower more focused and blurring the others is a really interest “trick”.

Florian - Great start! Your flower pot looks really good.

Rhi - It’s great to see you! I am looking forward to seeing your painting!

Barb Solomon :cat:

WV.Artistry
07-09-2004, 07:40 PM
. . . your eyes are fooled into believing that the vase is sitting on a table, but of course the table is only barely suggested. I LOVE that.


I have a 8"x10" printout taped to the top of my easel, and when I go to the other side of the room, I see the table and light clearly. I can see definitions -- but when I get closer, it all goes away, and I see different colors, shapes, and techniques.

I'm trying to leave some of my roses narrative, and let some stay in illusion, ditto the leaves -- so I'm actually spending a lot more time at this stage thinking about what "not" to do :)

Richard - Your blue ochre is lovely. I knew a landscape painter who liked using it. She said that it was great for the blue shadow areas. Since it is grayed, it would look more realistic.
Barb Solomon :cat:


I'm almost done with my version of the vase -- the Blue Ochre is visable on the top part only with Smalt highlights, seques to Ultramarine in the middle to darkness with a minute' highlight of Cobalt next to the White, green wash Viridian. The underpainting is allowed to show through and transitionional colors are Green Umber and Asphaltum. Garnished with Gold Oxide, and served at room temperature.

Barb, I love that pink and green in your background.

Where's Loop?

Annick
07-09-2004, 09:08 PM
Well, that's a start anyway!

Annick :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jul-2004/45141-Annick_Thayer1_sketch.jpg

Praire Rune
07-10-2004, 02:27 AM
This thread is becoming very exciting!

Annick, I'm so glad that you you got the canvas and have a nice drawing to show, too.

Carey, Ruth, Diane, Mike, Florian, Barb: I know I am going to be learning lots from all of you. I heard one painter say that in order to paint roses, one had to purchase them, then tear them apart petal by petal. I don't have to do that do I?

I absolutely love all the various color schemes!

Richard: I can't wait to see what you've been working on. I thought the golden roses were perfect as is!

Heidi

bjs0704
07-10-2004, 10:39 AM
Annick - Good work! I can't wait to see how it goes!

Richard - Thanks! The "pink" turns out to be burnt sienna greyed a bit with burnt umber. The green was chromium oxide green grayed with burnt sienna.

I was looking at one of Thayer's figurative paintings and realized that the "pink" was very similar in color to the skin tone of the figure. Burnt Sienna and white is a good combination for skin tones.

Barb Solomon :cat:

Praire Rune
07-10-2004, 12:35 PM
I was looking at one of Thayer's figurative paintings and realized that the "pink" was very similar in color to the skin tone of the figure. Burnt Sienna and white is a good combination for skin tones.


That reminds me of what another artist said, "If you can paint the human figure than you can paint flowers, and vice versa." :) Heidi

TauCetiV
07-10-2004, 03:11 PM
Hi TauCetiV (Terri) - well, I believe some have sold some of theirs. Mine are so far all hanging on one big wall, and I'm proud of my wall so far!! It's up to you what you want to "do" with them, I'm painting these to learn from them as close to the actual processes and colors as I can - a lot can be learned. Hope to see you joining us in the future.

Tina

Thank you Tina I hope to try to do some of these too--my skills are not as advanced as yours and the others-- I will have to practice practice. I am learning though, seeing everyone's progress. It is very interesting to watch! I did a copy of a painting called SowThistles and Grasses by Brian Bennett that is up in my gallery but it is not even close to the original in detail. The roses are very beautiful I love every ones renditions Paint on people !

RhiannonJ
07-10-2004, 03:12 PM
Here's my underpainting sketch. Done with #2, #6 and #14 mongoose filberts (don't have any hog brushes) using Burnt Sienna and Burnt Umber.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2004/32418-roses_underpainting.jpg

Rhi

WV.Artistry
07-10-2004, 04:02 PM
Palet C: W/I/P

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_Palet_C1.jpg

DLGardner
07-10-2004, 04:10 PM
Hamlin, that is so lovely.

Praire Rune
07-10-2004, 05:17 PM
:clap: Wonderful painting Richard! I agree with Dave it glows with luminosity :) Heidi

Ruth
07-10-2004, 07:17 PM
Hi y'all!

Hamlin, that's lovely. I like the golden cast it has. Rhi and Annick, good starts! Eager to see more! :D

Here's mine, pretty much done. I enjoyed this very much. It was an exercise in restraint -- had to keep slapping my hand to stop it from smoothing and blending. Put a stroke down and leave it alone! Sounds easy ;)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2004/887-Thayerrosescopy.JPG

Closeup of strokes:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2004/887-Thayerrosesclsup1.JPG

Ruth

Praire Rune
07-10-2004, 07:27 PM
I love it Ruth! It sings with color! Heidi

RhiannonJ
07-10-2004, 08:44 PM
Darn Richard, I like your's better than Thayer's!! I didn't expect to see anything from you for a few days! Way ta go!

Ruth, as always, your flowers are rich with colour and have such fluidity... (is that a proper word ?). :D

Rhi

Praire Rune
07-10-2004, 09:29 PM
I'm biting the bullet and am going to show you all what I worked on today. It's not finished as I need to still work on the vase and foilage and of course details. I know it needs a lot of work! But I'm done for today! :) Heidi

WV.Artistry
07-10-2004, 10:30 PM
Darn Richard, I like your's better than Thayer's!! I didn't expect to see anything from you for a few days! Way ta go!

Rhi

It changes colors outside, inside, etc., I needed to look at. Some of it, is surprisingly different than what I thought I was painting.

I've been thinking about these paintings getting posted, because some of them, at different stages, have that reminder of what a deep breath feels like, of countryside, with a few trees lining an unpaved road. And I know they're about the roses, but maybe, in some way, they're just a keyhole to peer through -- into lives, or something about what we can't put into words.

Thanks for letting me play too :)

RhiannonJ
07-10-2004, 10:46 PM
It changes colors outside, inside, etc., I needed to look at. Some of it, is surprisingly different than what I thought I was painting.

I've been thinking about these paintings getting posted, because some of them, at different stages, have that reminder of what a deep breath feels like, of countryside, with a few trees lining an unpaved road. And I know they're about the roses, but maybe, in some way, they're just a keyhole to peer through -- into lives, or something about what we can't put into words.

Thanks for letting me play too :)

Whoa... you sure do have a way with words! That sure does give me something to ponder before I start on the roses. I'm beginning to think you're one of the masters reincarnated. ;)

Rhi

RhiannonJ
07-10-2004, 10:50 PM
Looking good Heidi! Lots of vibrant colour and love the brushstrokes. You're way ahead of me. How do you guys paint so darn fast? It may be awhile til I post an update. I haven't been able to print out a decent print of the ref photo yet because my printer cartridge is running low on yellow and it looks all purple. Will probably start putting in the background though.

Rhi

bjs0704
07-10-2004, 11:26 PM
Heidi - Your flowers look lovely! I love that blue with the brown vase. Good job!

Ruth - What a soft and beautiful painting! Very nice! Your vase really has the iridescence that Thayer’s had!

Richard - I love that warm glowing colors. Your painting really turned out special!

Rhi - Great start!

Barb Solomon :cat:

Annick
07-11-2004, 12:10 AM
Finally got two more hours done on my Thayer copy. Got way more done than I expected. It was my first time using a sienna wash on a background. It sure dries fast!

Since this is my 8th painting, I hope I did not skip a stage. I outlined my sketch with burnt sienna, but it looks weird. I guess once I put more washes it'll change... And the background is a lot more reddish/yellowish than Thayer, but since I liked the earth tones Richard used, I decided to give it a try. Hope in the end, everything will be ok. My canvas is a 20 x 24.

I used Terre Verte (Terra Verde) and Cobalt Blue for the vase. I think it looks a lot like Thayer's color (with a bit of the natural sienna showing through).

Will continue on Monday (day off).

Any suggestions to help me improve it before I do some damage? I'm a bit insecure about it all. And those flowers are ******scary********

I guess I'm beginning to be a night owl. Each time I paint, I always start at around 10 pm... ? I'm getting inspired when my brain switches off or somethin'.

Have a good Sunday, everyone!

Annick

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2004/45141-Annick_Thayer2_1ststage.jpg

bjs0704
07-11-2004, 01:31 AM
Annick - While your colors are exactly what Thayer used, I love the colors in your background! It has such a lovely warm feeling to it! Your vase is really well done!

Barb Solomon:cat:

Ruth
07-11-2004, 09:29 AM
It changes colors outside, inside, etc., I needed to look at. Some of it, is surprisingly different than what I thought I was painting.

I've been thinking about these paintings getting posted, because some of them, at different stages, have that reminder of what a deep breath feels like, of countryside, with a few trees lining an unpaved road. And I know they're about the roses, but maybe, in some way, they're just a keyhole to peer through -- into lives, or something about what we can't put into words.

Thanks for letting me play too :)


Richard, you honor us by playing with us. I think that we put something of ourselves into our paintings, no matter how carefully we copy or try to be perfect. Sometimes I think I have revealed way too much of myself in my paintings. They're more than a keyhole, feels like a wide open window for anyone to look through. I look at something I've painted and think I can not show this, it tells too much about me. There are some debates going on about what "art" is, and I think you've just hit on the answer.

Thanks for playing!
Ruth

artbabe21
07-11-2004, 02:04 PM
I've been thinking about these paintings getting posted, because some of them, at different stages, have that reminder of what a deep breath feels like, of countryside, with a few trees lining an unpaved road. And I know they're about the roses, but maybe, in some way, they're just a keyhole to peer through -- into lives, or something about what we can't put into words.



Richard, how beautifully put! :)

Annick! Good going girl!! Congrats!

Ruth, how soft & lovely...our own signature comes out, no matter that we're trying to copy a master!

If I missed anyone it's because I am on a borrowed computer I am trying to use that is so different from mine!
:eek:

dcorc
07-11-2004, 03:35 PM
Carey - I agree that it seems to be a brown underpainting then a layer or two on top, more on the roses - even where one does obliterate sketch and underpainting, they can act as a rehearsal for the final, help to think through one's approaches - hoping for a further update :)

Ruth - Looks great! well done! It's really tricky trying to resist the temptation to blend, isn't it? :D

Terri - errm.. my MOM paintings are sitting against a wall in the corner currently :o

You should just join in, you know. It's not a competition - the quickest way to learn is to do, and discuss, rather than to just watch! :)

Dianne - Looking good - you said you wanted to make some changes - do you have a final version yet? A lot of this painting is about playing with focus/edges.

Rhi, Barb, Annick, Florian - all good starts :) Annick - no need to be insecure about it!

Richard - developing splendidly!

Heidi - keep going, it's looking good, nice and loose. Don't be tempted to tighten it up too much with detail, just the odd edge here and there will pull it together. :)

Dave

WV.Artistry
07-11-2004, 04:14 PM
Richard - developing splendidly!

Dave

My painting has been claimed, so I guess that post makes it my final version.

<<shrug>>

"Fleur, au revoir . . . Votre fantôme n'est pas celui que je cherche.

:)

Next month, we have an annual juried portrait exhibition here, so I'm going to devote some time to getting a submission done. But I'm looking forward to seeing the in-progress developments here -- thanks for the comments.

Richard

RhiannonJ
07-11-2004, 07:34 PM
Worked on the background today. Brushes used were #10 flat bristle, #14 filbert, #12 & 14 flats. Palette is white, mars yellow, burnt sienna, burnt umber, veridian, terre verte, alizeran crimson, ultramarine blue (out of cobalt at the moment). I'll let it sit for a day or two and then go in with a dry brush and put in some more colour. I've got some cobalt blue on order so will wait til that comes in before starting on the vase.

The colour in this photo isn't accurate. The colours are more muted and for some reason the right side in this photo is showing up lighter than it really is.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jul-2004/32418-roses_background.jpg

Rhi

bjs0704
07-11-2004, 08:31 PM
Richard - Good luck with the upcoming juried portrait exhibition! I hope you do well!

Rhi - I really like the mixture of different colors in your background!

Barb Solomon :cat:

RhiannonJ
07-11-2004, 10:09 PM
Rhi - I really like the mixture of different colors in your background!


Thanks for the comments, Barb. This painting is totally out of my league so it's pushing me in a lot of different ways and .. Ooohhh! ... what I'll learn from this! It's giving me the opportunity to focus on more of an impressionistic style of painting rather than realism which is what my paintings usually focus on. I'm having a blast so far. I just went crazy with that background and I'm not done yet. :D

Does anybody have any comments about which brush is the best to use for "dry brush" techiques?.. i.e... sable, bristle, etc. etc. I'm still experimenting but I would think that a soft sable would be best.

Rhi

Florian
07-12-2004, 05:06 AM
Dave, Pavel, Zarathustra, Hamlin - excellent works they are looking very painterly. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Loop, Rhi, Barb, Ruth, Annik, Mike Carey, Heidi, Dianne, everyone is doing such a great job, it is very interesting to see the different styles and use of colours. :)

The last week I didn’t have so much time to paint, hoping it will be better next time to be able to finish until the end of the month. :(

Florian

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jul-2004/39426-Thayer_Roses_P_2.jpg

loop
07-12-2004, 07:55 AM
Where's Loop?


ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzz...snork.... huh....PRESENT !!

I plan on having to scrape off some bad flower attempts, so I'm letting my background get nice and dry.

you guys are really whooping it !! :clap:
I can't wait to get into those flowers.
you know that funny light patch where the table and vase meets is bothering me, it SHOULD be a dark shadow, I find it is throwing off the form of the vase on mine, Hmmmm.


I really can't belive it but I have a small commision that I will be working on... a blue heron :rolleyes:, so I prolly won't get back to this till the weekend.

.

artbars
07-12-2004, 12:14 PM
Remarkable painting at everyone! It was very interesting to see your continuation and new works. A thank by all!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Florian Your completed portrait is perfect. And it also is going to be great!

I have brought in the small amendments. I hope it is completed. Though who knows:)

bjs0704
07-12-2004, 01:01 PM
Rhi - You aren’t alone! I am going slower than I usually do because I haven’t ever painted a vase of flowers before. This is also very different from how I usually paint!

I always presumed that a bristle brush would be best for a dry brush look. People usually use the softer brushes to avoid the look of bristle marks. But I would want to hear what others would say about brush choices.

Florian - Your painting is going along so well!!! The leaves of the flowers are looking good! :clap:

Loop - Are you meaning the “white streak” in front of the vase?

Congratulations on your commission! Way to go!! :clap: :clap:

Pavel - It looks lovely! The flowers are really beautiful! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Barb Solomon :cat:

RhiannonJ
07-12-2004, 01:24 PM
Pavel, your painting is beautiful! You sure do have a way with colour. :clap:

Rhi

loop
07-12-2004, 02:15 PM
Loop - Are you meaning the “white streak” in front of the vase?



that would be it, looking back at others, I see some have decided to omit it altogether, I would like to make it work and I would also like to figure out WHY he put that there.... any ideas ??

ARTBARS... LARGE finish...VERY NICE

TauCetiV
07-12-2004, 02:45 PM
Terri - errm.. my MOM paintings are sitting against a wall in the corner currently :o

You should just join in, you know. It's not a competition - the quickest way to learn is to do, and discuss, rather than to just watch! :)
Dave
I know... I know... can we do a cat in the hat picture ? lol! I know its not a competition and ALL of you are wonderful painters from what I can see ! I promise I will do one soon!

WV.Artistry
07-12-2004, 04:31 PM
that would be it, looking back at others, I see some have decided to omit it altogether, I would like to make it work and I would also like to figure out WHY he put that there.... any ideas ??



It could be a football jersey number, or perhaps the year he graduated :)

CLASS OF 74'

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_74.jpg

I really did try to paint the 74', but I couldn't make it work. In hindsight, I should've substituted some other meaningful emblem. The numerology, rune, or whatever emblem that is -- fought me and won. And I have suspicions, it's one of the Chinese languages for duck, because I got hungry for Peking Style Duck every time I worked on this painting.

Ѽ×Ó

Florian
07-12-2004, 05:09 PM
Pavel, your roses are really beautiful and thanks for the comment. :clap: :clap: :clap:

Barb, thank you!

A little progress.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jul-2004/39426-Roses_P_3.jpg

Annick
07-12-2004, 07:22 PM
Florian, I love everything you've done so far! :clap: Love the green of your leaves and your vase!

Ruth : magnificent colors! I just love your painting style.

Prairie Rune : bravo! You've made it your very own. Your style is so free!!! You seem like someone very positive from your palette choice. Just love it!

Dave : you are such an encouragement! You give wonderful advice.

Richard : No wonder your painting was claimed. It is just WONDERFUL. You are very gifted. And thank you for the encouragement. The number 74 : love your humor. Makes this forum that much more fun. And the duck, I just love good thai or oriental cuisine. Montreal is just full of wonderful ethnic variety. Un réel plaisir à vous lire, cher ami.

Pavel : you have a very soft palette and I love it. I visited your website. You have wonderful photos. Some of the landscapes look a lot like the Laurentians... and we have so many rivers and lakes in Quebec... I would love to see Siberia one day. So many places to see!!!


I wish I were not that busy and that I could just paint, paint, paint! And play music... that would be a "wonderful world" indeed. Will post my progress later tonight as I will do a bit later. Did not get a chance today.

Welcome back, Loop. Thought we'd lost you to a vacation time or something.

Annick

Annick
07-12-2004, 07:30 PM
Taucetiv : just join in! I'm a beginner as well and would love the company!!! Just wait for those flowers - will tackle them later... Up to the fight! They won't win, I promiss. Or is it the opposite : they should win??? Anyway, I think they'll look ok. I'm sure I'll learn something. Or die trying. :angel:

Barb, Rhi and artbabe : can't wait to see your progress too!!! :clap:

ripper4
07-12-2004, 08:24 PM
Hey All!
Sorry I bailed last month, I had the good fortune of a couple of out of town commissions. I am in this month...(Really) (Honestly)

Loop Congrats on your commission
Richard You rock! I think we will all get rich on this painting!
Artbars Nice Tone
Dave So good so fast what are you going to do with the rest of the month?
Biki I miss you.

I know I left out a few greats. I hope to catch up soon

I am painting 18 x 24 inches on canvas. so far with venetian red and french ultra marine and raw sienna.

Cheers,
Don

bjs0704
07-12-2004, 09:37 PM
Don - It good to see that you are back! :cool:

You have a really nice start! I love the "drawing"!

Barb Solomon :cat:

loop
07-13-2004, 07:10 AM
It could be a football jersey number, or perhaps the year he graduated :)

CLASS OF 74'

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jul-2004/45375-2004_07_74.jpg

I really did try to paint the 74', but I couldn't make it work. In hindsight, I should've substituted some other meaningful emblem. The numerology, rune, or whatever emblem that is -- fought me and won. And I have suspicions, it's one of the Chinese languages for duck, because I got hungry for Peking Style Duck every time I worked on this painting.

Ѽ×Ó

haha that's good, I did not even notice that :eek: . I was more talking about the light area where the vase and table meets, usually a dark area grounding the vase
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jul-2004/6307-tableclose.JPG

artbars
07-13-2004, 09:06 AM
Barb,Rhi,Loop,Annick,Florian,Don -The large thank!

Don I congratulate with the good beginning!

Annick Thank for visiting of my site. I am glad that to you was interestingly. I also would love to visit Canada!

RhiannonJ
07-13-2004, 09:59 AM
Don, excellent start! Can't wait to see how you progress with this one. Btw, we're practically neighbors. I live up in Deale, MD... about 30 minutes or so north of you. :D

Annick, know whatcha mean about being busy. I don't know how some of these people paint so fast! :eek:

Rhi

Florian
07-13-2004, 10:22 AM
Annick, thank you for the comment! :)

Dan welcome, great start.

ripper4
07-13-2004, 10:34 AM
Hey Neighbor (Rhi)
I am going to up in your beautiful town this summer painting scenes at a client’s house. I can't wait. I have never been there before, but I hear it is wonderful!

Don

NHyde
07-13-2004, 12:27 PM
I'm not joining in (yet) as I feel this is all above me right now being a beginner painter. But I really wanted to let you all know what an inspiration you all are.

All the paintings are just wonderful and I am amazed by each and every one of you.

Well done gang!

Cheers eh,
Nicole

artbars
07-13-2004, 12:55 PM
I'm not joining in (yet) as I feel this is all above me right now being a beginner painter.
Nicole
Nicole I do not think that you the beginner in painting:) Force and intuition give improbable results. Only mine of half-cent:)

NHyde
07-13-2004, 01:17 PM
Pavel, you are such a gentleman! Thank you!

:)

~Nicole

artbars
07-13-2004, 02:07 PM
:) ;)

WV.Artistry
07-13-2004, 03:15 PM
Don --
I enjoy being intimidated by your work.


Pavel --
"Only mine of half-cent."

This is my 0.58280 Russian roubles? = My two cents?

:)

RhiannonJ
07-13-2004, 06:52 PM
Got to paint for awhile today... woo-hoo! Don't tell my boss. :D ;) I'm really having a lotta fun with this one. Totally different than what I usually do. I want to get started on the roses hopefully tomorrow. They're gonna take me awhile. Unfortunately I only get to paint an hour or two during the week. My "real" job tends to get in the way. :(

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/13-Jul-2004/32418-roses_backgroundvase.jpg

Rhi

Annick
07-13-2004, 10:27 PM
So beautiful Rhi!

Great going. Your background is just fab'. And the sketching of your flowers is already so nice. Can't wait to see the next stage.

As for me... well, a bit discouraged after an hour caught up in my leaves last night. Un fiasco total. :( I'm such a perfectionnist and to find out I'm worst than I thought is... humbling. I have to roll up my sleeves and try again! The color mixing is what I'm finding most hard. Can't get that harmonious feel to it that I'd like to get...

Thayer's leaves are so "realistic" looking. Mine looked like a crayola rendition of the Thayer! Yuk! :( And if there are Crayola lovers out there, did not mean it as an insult! ;) I thought the roses were gonna be tough... Did not even get to the roses...

Again, nice job Rhi! I'll keep my eyes out open for your next post!

Annick

RhiannonJ
07-13-2004, 11:40 PM
Annick, don't you dare get discouraged girl! :) I too tend to be a perfectionist and have to slap my hands at times to stop myself from fiddling so much. I'm just basically "winging it" with this one because it's totally out of my league and those roses are scaring the bajeebees outta me.... but I'm just gonna go in there and "just do it".

The one good thing about oils is if ya don't like it either wipe it off or paint over it and try again. Forget Thayer's painting and make it your own. This is a learning experience for all of us and I'm SURE I'll be wiping away a LOT of paint when I get into thoses roses. :D

(((( HUGS ))))

Rhi

Florian
07-14-2004, 04:34 AM
Hey Rhi, it`s beautiful the background and the vase are great what color did you use?
You are really a perfectionist, can´t wait to see your progess! :clap:

RhiannonJ
07-14-2004, 09:38 AM
Hey Rhi, it`s beautiful the background and the vase are great what color did you use?
You are really a perfectionist, can´t wait to see your progess! :clap:

Hi Florian,

Thanks for the comments. For the background and vase I used titanium white, mars yellow, alizeran crimson, ultramarine blue, veridian, burnt sienna and burnt umber. The vase was heavier on the veridian.

Rhi

artbars
07-14-2004, 12:21 PM
Rhi Background really very beautiful! Well that you find time for painting. Your works so are beautiful and are interesting!

Hamlin Yes!!! For me two cents are matches or package or only mine opinion :) :) :) :p

WV.Artistry
07-14-2004, 03:50 PM
Hamlin Yes!!! For me two cents are matches or package or only mine opinion :) :) :) :p


It is cultural phrase, "My two cents worth". I don't know begininning.

When I was a boy, the .02 would buy the 2 candy pieces. 1 for me and 1 for little brother, or friend. But today, in my country, it buys nothing except taxes. Before me, it bought coffee or beer. And it explains a little: The opinion is worth a conversation. So we drink now and talk.

Inflation is bad for conversation. Your opinion is worth more than .58 rubles :)

В Москве, стоимость кофе 4.00USD для чашки (потому что я являюсь американским). Так, мнение стоит 29.0 рублей?

<< :D >>

Вместе, американские и российские ученые, спутник потерпел крах на Марсе. Были ошибки перевода.

Я уверен, российский ученый использовал много интересных слов.

" Force and intuition give improbable results. "

R

p.s. Thanks for painting this piece together -- I enjoyed.

LadyJane65
07-14-2004, 05:39 PM
I'm not joining in (yet) as I feel this is all above me right now being a beginner painter. But I really wanted to let you all know what an inspiration you all are.

All the paintings are just wonderful and I am amazed by each and every one of you.

Well done gang!

Cheers eh,
Nicole

Nicole, If I can do it, you can do it. This will make oil #4 for me!! It is an amazing learning experience.

LJ

loop
07-14-2004, 05:40 PM
As for me... well, a bit discouraged after an hour caught up in my leaves last night. Un fiasco total...... :(


I have recently found the out the joy of "interruption" I too have that problem of getting caught up in stuff. Not long ago I did some work from life with a human, so I set a timer for 20 min to give a break. I soon realized it forced me to stop, walk away, and view from a distance, to re-asess the direction I SHOULD be going, and plan a next step. Now I try to do this all the time, I like realizing I am spinning my wheels after only 20 min, instead of hours. I really think that I am actually saving time by stopping freaquently like this

RhiannonJ
07-14-2004, 07:24 PM
Rhi Background really very beautiful! Well that you find time for painting. Your works so are beautiful and are interesting!


Thanks Pavel. The right side of the background still needs some work but I decided to get started on the roses today. What fun!

Rhi

Biki
07-14-2004, 07:57 PM
Hey All!
Sorry I bailed last month, I had the good fortune of a couple of out of town commissions. I am in this month...(Really) (Honestly)

Loop Congrats on your commission
Richard You rock! I think we will all get rich on this painting!
Artbars Nice Tone
Dave So good so fast what are you going to do with the rest of the month?
Biki I miss you.

I know I left out a few greats. I hope to catch up soon

I am painting 18 x 24 inches on canvas. so far with venetian red and french ultra marine and raw sienna.

Cheers,
Don

Thanks Don,

I miss you all too. :crying:
But i am watching along with you all, and applauding. :clap: :clap: :clap:

RhiannonJ
07-14-2004, 08:31 PM
Hey Neighbor (Rhi)
I am going to up in your beautiful town this summer painting scenes at a client’s house. I can't wait. I have never been there before, but I hear it is wonderful!

Don

Wow! Really? Does your client live on the water? Sounds like it. You'll love Deale. Quiet little laid back town. PM me when you know when you'll be coming up. Maybe we can get together for lunch or something.

Would love to peer over your shoulder too. ;) :D

Rhi

artbars
07-15-2004, 01:56 AM
Hamlin
Moscow very expensive city. It is the obviously overestimated price for coffee.

Now mine the opinion costs 1 cent in the evening and 3 cents in the afternoon
It is cost 1 minute of the Internet, It is expensive enough here,

In my childhood one candy cost 5 cents (if 1 rouble = 1 dollar per 75 years)
The coffee was not in general It there was a deficiency and only one kind, In general all was deficiency,
Now on one dollar I can buy 6 bread of 2 litres of milk, 7 trips by the bus:) or 100 grammes of bad coffee

The Russian scientist probably put other sense in the English words:) I also do it

ripper4
07-15-2004, 12:06 PM
Richard, you crack me up.

Loop, When I smoked (long ago) that process of stopping and thinking was automatic. 10 min of good painting and stopping is much better than wandering aimlessly for hours on end. I think that is why many painters work better standing up, simply because it is harder to get too comfortable.

Thanks for the nice words everyone.

Today I put in 45 min with mostly Venetian red and viridian. I am setting the stage for a rose petal showdown!

Don

artbars
07-15-2004, 02:06 PM
Hi Don! I with interest observe your work! You have original style in balance of colours (remarkable portraits of children on your site:clap: ) And it also is going interesting

WV.Artistry
07-15-2004, 03:45 PM
Loop, When I smoked (long ago) that process of stopping and thinking was automatic. 10 min of good painting and stopping is much better than wandering aimlessly for hours on end. I think that is why many painters work better standing up, simply because it is harder to get too comfortable.
Don

You're beginning to catch the light quite wonderfully, and with no smoking? Most impressive :) I was trying to say something like this to Rhi, that I spend a lot of time figuring out what "not" to do. The hard part, is when I get something right, to leave it the hell alone.

ripper4
07-15-2004, 08:56 PM
Amen Brother.
Thats the hard part. It gets easier to leave things alone and move on when you have clients breathing down your neck, and two little kids tugging at your shirt.

Thanks for the super kind words Pavel. I can't wait to update the website with some fresh work.

Don

RhiannonJ
07-15-2004, 10:38 PM
Hamlin, the thing is... what NOT to do shouldn't be a thing to do at all. HA!! Gotcha. Just do it! Sometimes when I lay down a stroke and I think... Ohmygawd!... and then I look at it again and well, it looks just like it WAS the thing to do.

The way I know when to leave it alone is... I take a few steps back... fiddle with my brush in my hands, hmmm.... haahhh... well, I DON'T know what to do!... I put the brush down, clean my palette, pour myself a glass of Merlot and call it a night!... and maybe take a puff on my pipe... a nice blend, mind you. ;) :D

Rhi

NHyde
07-16-2004, 12:52 AM
Ssssssshhhhhhh!!!! :)


Nicole, If I can do it, you can do it. This will make oil #4 for me!! It is an amazing learning experience.

LJ

Zarathustra
07-16-2004, 07:40 AM
Haven't posted for a while, but I have been following with the updates. So many styles; it's been great to follow and watch them all develop.

Rosic
07-16-2004, 02:24 PM
I feel like the neighborhood kid sick in bed watching everyone else have fun outside. :crying: Sorry I haven't been able to jump in and join you guys yet... been quite busy playing catch-up since my vacation. Hope to come out and play soon! :D
Bern

PS... Everyone's work deserves a :clap: :clap: :clap:

dcorc
07-16-2004, 05:54 PM
Just to mention that, in the same way as we initiated a "Thayer" thread midmonth in June in preparation for this July MOM thread, I've just done the same with Frans Hals (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203084) to initiate discussions on that painter, who will be the subject of our August MOM, in a fortnight. :)

Dave

RhiannonJ
07-16-2004, 06:53 PM
Here's an update. Been working on the roses. Lots of fun! I may have to wait to paint the yellow ones on the right side. My printer cartridge ran outta yellow ink while I was printing out the reference photo and that side of the photo is purple! :eek:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Jul-2004/32418-roses_flowers01.jpg

And a close up....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Jul-2004/32418-roses_flowers01closeup.jpg

One flower at a time. :D

Rhi

ripper4
07-16-2004, 09:53 PM
Rhi, Your flowers are looking great! super color!

here is a bit more I did today (too blue for my taste)

Don

RhiannonJ
07-16-2004, 11:30 PM
Rhi, Your flowers are looking great! super color!

here is a bit more I did today (too blue for my taste)

Don

Thanks Don. I think I'm gonna add a bit more peach to those two roses at the top and some more yellow to the ones on the left. I really need to print out another ref photo but my printer cartridge hasn't arrived yet. :mad:

Yours is coming along great! Can't wait to watch how it progresses!

Rhi

tubbekans
07-17-2004, 12:55 AM
Well, all you people are just ridiculously good painters. I think if I watch the way you proceed I will learn something eventually. And if not, I sure enjoy seeing how you all do the paintings.

So, to prove I have managed not to learn, I will post my painting so far. :)

It really is great to see all your progress shots and descriptions of painting process. I guess I will place my progress as a call to some of the other newcomers to painting. As you can see, I have a way to go. Maybe we will learn together? I am still a beginner myself. If I can do anything 50% close to some of yours I will be happy. I really like the blue "z" on the vase.

Oh, and who needs leaves anyway? :evil:

tubbekans
07-17-2004, 12:58 AM
And the photo might help?
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jul-2004/32632-mom1_jul04.JPG
:rolleyes:

IMNRTST
07-17-2004, 02:45 PM
Nice work everyone!
I just called mine done today as i keep spinning my wheels and going round in circles with it. In the previous months i had told myself that in the light areas of the painting i would only sketch lightly. Well....um....i forgot again, now like 5 layers later on the white roses and my under drawing can still be seen!
How many times does the rat get zapped again before he learns? :p lol
Was still a fun project and learned TONS.

Also...out of curiosity, do most of you work from a printed image or from your computer screen as reference?

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jul-2004/39999-WC1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jul-2004/39999-WC2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/17-Jul-2004/39999-WC3.jpg

Mike

ripper4
07-17-2004, 03:06 PM
Nice job Mike... great leaves!

I work from an 8" x 10" photo

Don

IMNRTST
07-17-2004, 03:36 PM
Thx Don....i appreciate it
I just checked out your website...all i can say is wow!....i love your style...your work is awesome
can't wait to see what you do with this Thayer piece
Mike

RhiannonJ
07-18-2004, 11:55 AM
Mike, I love it! Great job on those roses and leaves! I too work from an 8x10 print image. I also make the reference photo of whatever I'm working on the wallpaper on my PC. Wish I could work from my computer but my easel is downstairs and the computer is upstairs. Do you work from your computer screen or print out?

Rhi

IMNRTST
07-18-2004, 12:50 PM
HI Rhi
thx for the compliments
I work from a series of different zoomed windows in Photoshop, my computer monitor is aligned to the left of my easel, and i only need to shift my eyes slighty to view the references.
I'm thinking of printing some high res images for future projects as well to help me out....but i own a lexmark printer...and they're quite the vampires when it comes to sucking ink :p
Love the realism and color in your version btw.....your vase is outstanding
see ya
Mike

artbars
07-18-2004, 01:00 PM
Hi Mike! Remarkable work!

I wrote from the monitor:)

Florian
07-18-2004, 01:15 PM
Don, I like what you have so far, looking forward to see your next updates!

Rhi, your flowers and leaves are looking great! Looking forward to see your progress.

Mike, great job I like the flowers and leaves. I do my work from a printed image.

Here is an update. Today I worked on the leaves and roses, have to work on the background and vase.

Florian


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Jul-2004/39426-Thayer_Roses_C3.JPG

artbars
07-18-2004, 01:27 PM
Florian :clap: :clap:

IMNRTST
07-18-2004, 02:20 PM
hi Artbars.....thx so much!
hi Florian.....thx alot!...nice work on yours...skillfully done with nice effects
Mike

ripper4
07-18-2004, 04:16 PM
Mike & Florian, looking great!
Looks like you are headed to the finish line.

I did a bit more today (still avoiding the flowers)

Don

Biki
07-19-2004, 05:27 AM
waaa!!!

i do SO want to play. :crying:

you are all doing SO marvellously. :clap:

Ripper - yours is gonna be a ripper too.!!! :D

Florian
07-19-2004, 04:08 PM
It’s finished! It was really fun to do this MOM and to see the progress of the different works! :)

Florian

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Jul-2004/39426-Thayer_Roses_C5.JPG

RhiannonJ
07-19-2004, 04:38 PM
Florian, great job! I love your roses! I worked on my leaves a bit more yesterday and played with the roses on the left a bit more. I'm hesitant about starting the ones on the right until I get my printer cartridges. That guy on ebay sent me the wrong ones and won't send me the ones I ordered until he receives them back! :mad:

Biki, how's the move going? I miss ya girl! Don't worry, these Roses aren't going anywhere so you'll have plenty of time to play. :D

Rhi

artbabe21
07-19-2004, 11:46 PM
Beautiful job Florian!! Love those roses! :)

DLGardner
07-20-2004, 01:24 AM
Florian, this is beautiful, so clean and crisp.

I suppose I should go finish mine.


Dianne

Florian
07-20-2004, 05:51 AM
Rhi, Cathleen, Dianne, thanks for the comments!

Floriang

ripper4
07-20-2004, 08:34 PM
Super Job.

You can almost smell those petals!

dcorc
07-20-2004, 08:57 PM
Florian, Mike - :clap: :clap: :clap: both of you! - well done!

It's great to see so many people active in this thread, and making splendid versions of this painting (particularly as we thought it's one of the trickier ones for this year!!)

Dave

RhiannonJ
07-20-2004, 11:46 PM
It's great to see so many people active in this thread, and making splendid versions of this painting (particularly as we thought it's one of the trickier ones for this year!!)

Dave

This was one of the trickier ones? And what do you call next month's MOM with that drunk guy with that frilly collar around his neck, eh? :D :evil: :angel:

Btw Dave, is your new avatar more of a reflection of who you are? Okay, will the "real"(tm) Dave PLEASE stand UP!! ~~~ come out ... come out ... wherever you are ... ~~~ :p

Rhi

P.S. I'll be posting another update tomorrow. Should be getting those new frelling cartridges in for my printer by Thursday I hope. I need a decent image of that right side .... right now the one I have is shaded with purple! <grrrr>

artbabe21
07-20-2004, 11:53 PM
This was one of the trickier ones? And what do you call next month's MOM with that drunk guy with that frilly collar around his neck, eh? :D :evil: :angel:

Btw Dave, is your new avatar more of a reflection of who you are? Okay, will the "real"(tm) Dave PLEASE stand UP!! ~~~ come out ... come out ... wherever you are ... ~~~ :p


Rhi...I agree completely with the 'trickier challenge'....huh??????????? I thought this one was the dreaded one and look how many quick finishes!! :)

Yep, Dave is lookin' REALLY cool now, but I loved the kid in him too!! ;)

Anxious to see your progress!!

RhiannonJ
07-21-2004, 12:08 AM
Yep, Dave is lookin' REALLY cool now, but I loved the kid in him too!! ;)


Yeah... there was something about that young "Cool Dave" avatar that really grabbed at my heart. Wonder when he's going to reveal his "true" self? :D

Lots of folks seem to be changing their "image" lately. Biki's gone from I think two different faces and now cute feet! Dave's now gone to a more punk image. Think I'll stick with flowers around me for the time being. Suits me since I use to be a floral designer. :D

dcorc
07-21-2004, 06:56 AM
Rhi, Cath - thanks! :)

All the avatars I've chosen reveal aspects of me :p - this one isn't "punk" :rolleyes: -

It's an isolated man with a disobedient computer :D :D :D

"Open the pod bay doors, HAL" - it's Dave Bowman - from "2001: A Space Odyssey"

Dave

LadyJane65
07-21-2004, 06:58 AM
Sorry for the late posting, but have been swamped lately, and not much time to even lurk.

First is my toned board, 16x20, with drawing:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jul-2004/41872-June_new_stuff3_001A.jpg

And this is the block in:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jul-2004/41872-June_new_stuff3_005A.jpg

Have managed to go further, and of course, ruin an otherwise soso start, but haven't had time to take a pix. Will probably bin it!!

:(

LJ

RhiannonJ
07-21-2004, 10:07 AM
Another update. Was able to lay in the base colour of the white/yellow roses yesterday. Will start adding the details to them hopefully later today. Need to add highlights etc to the leaves as well but it's nearing completion.

The only thing that somewhat bothers me is it's a bit more close to the top of the canvas than I'd like it to be. Oh well. :p

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jul-2004/32418-roses_flowers02.jpg

And a close up

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/21-Jul-2004/32418-roses_flowers02closeup.jpg

Rhi

RhiannonJ
07-21-2004, 10:10 AM
Rhi, Cath - thanks! :)
It's an isolated man with a disobedient computer :D :D :D

"Open the pod bay doors, HAL" - it's Dave Bowman - from "2001: A Space Odyssey"

Dave

Aaahhh... I KNEW I recognized that face from somewhere!! :D :D I LOVE that flick. Haven't seen it for ages.

Rhi

WV.Artistry
07-21-2004, 11:33 AM
"Open the pod bay doors, HAL" - it's Dave Bowman - from "2001: A Space Odyssey"

Dave

Goodmorning Dave.
732,150 days have passed since the arbitrary Year 0. You have existed for approximately 16,215 of them, 235 more than my being.

On topic, this painting really brings out some of the best -- Rhi, I'd love to get your recipe for making leaves, if you don't mind sharing.

R

RhiannonJ
07-21-2004, 01:47 PM
Goodmorning Dave.
732,150 days have passed since the arbitrary Year 0. You have existed for approximately 16,215 of them, 235 more than my being.

On topic, this painting really brings out some of the best -- Rhi, I'd love to get your recipe for making leaves, if you don't mind sharing.

R

Richard, you're asking ME how to paint leaves?? I am flattered. Your painting is awesome! Leaves are simple. I just load my brush with a number of different colours and stroke away. I use the Langnickel royal sables... either a filbert or round. Then when it's dry I'll add some shadows and highlights.

Rhi

artbabe21
07-21-2004, 01:55 PM
Rhi, your update is drop dead gorgeous! wow! I have such a long way to go yet...sob...

RhiannonJ
07-21-2004, 03:39 PM
Rhi, your update is drop dead gorgeous! wow! I have such a long way to go yet...sob...

Thanks Cathleen. I'll probably be posting another photo later today. I changed the colour of some of the roses on the left to better match the white/yellow ones. Those white ones are still a bit too tacky so may not work on them again until tomorrow.

Get going on it girl! You'll have a blast! Course, I know how life gets in the way at times... tell me about it! ;)

Rhi

WV.Artistry
07-21-2004, 09:18 PM
Richard, you're asking ME how to paint leaves?? I am flattered. Your painting is awesome! Leaves are simple. I just load my brush with a number of different colours and stroke away. I use the Langnickel royal sables... either a filbert or round. Then when it's dry I'll add some shadows and highlights.

Rhi

Anybody even attempting this painting has my respect. No flattery necessary.

:)

Leaves may be simple for you . . . but for me, it's like trying to have social skills :) Something that needs lots and lots of work.

I didn't really paint mine. I kept "not" painting them, and in some absurdity, they began to resemble leaves. I try to avoid flora because I don't understand it.

My approach was probably bass-ackwards to yours, establishing my highlights and shadows, and then painting the middle into them.

I use Isabel, a brush made in France. They're a little pricey, but have the two necessary words: "absolute control." They are unfortunately, easy to destroy. One push and they're gone. Since I usually paint holding two or three brushes at the same time, I forget and . . .

My cheap brushes, for some reason, are very forgiving about the abuse I give them.

More specifically, I'm interested in the palets of leaves. whatever any of you want to share, brands and colors and methodology.

Thanks.

R

p.s. Can you post a picture of your Langnickels?

Florian
07-22-2004, 06:52 AM
Hi Rhi, beautiful job I love your roses and leaves, can´t wait to see your finished work! :clap:

Florian

loop
07-22-2004, 07:27 AM
"Open the pod bay doors, HAL" - it's Dave Bowman - from "2001: A Space Odyssey"

Dave


"I'm sorry dave I can't do that" ... I like how you can increase each letter in HAL's name by one and get something.

that's it for me, no update, have not done a thing on this since session 1, ...time's running out...ahhhhhhhhhhh... "I'm sorry dave.... bzzzt...zzzt. fssssssssssssphs"

Praire Rune
07-22-2004, 12:27 PM
Everyone's paintings look great :clap: :clap: :clap: I've been soooo busy, but here is my latest version. Still need to work on a few areas. Just knew that I could not do a Thayer's painting like a Thayer... :rolleyes: Heidi

RhiannonJ
07-22-2004, 12:55 PM
Anybody even attempting this painting has my respect. No flattery necessary.

:)

Leaves may be simple for you . . . but for me, it's like trying to have social skills :) Something that needs lots and lots of work.

I use Isabel, a brush made in France. They're a little pricey, but have the two necessary words: "absolute control." They are unfortunately, easy to destroy. One push and they're gone. Since I usually paint holding two or three brushes at the same time, I forget and . . .

More specifically, I'm interested in the palets of leaves. whatever any of you want to share, brands and colors and methodology.

Thanks.

R

p.s. Can you post a picture of your Langnickels?

My pallette for the leaves was Sap Green, Burnt Sienna, Cadmium Yellow Light (just a tad), Yellow Ochre (for highlights) and a bit of Titanium White if needed. Sometimes I would just pull up some previously mixed paint on my palette and just add some sap green or whatever I needed to it. I use a variety of brands... Rembrandt, Grumbacher, DaVinci, Windsor Newton. I usually lay pick up the mid tone on my brush, and then sometimes I'll pick up a lighter variation of it. I start at the base of the leaf and just fill it in. Sometimes I get lucky and highlights appear right off since I have my brush loaded with different colour tones.

Below is a picture of some of my Langnickel's. I have mostly filberts... then some rounds and brights. Some people don't care for the newer version of them. They've had problems with the brush hairs flying loose. I didn't seem to get any like that. You can get them from Jerry's Artrama. What I need to get are some bristles. I have one Isabey. It's a filbert... very soft brush.

You only hold THREE brushes in your hand? I sometimes hold five or six! :p :D

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jul-2004/32418-langnickels.jpg

Here's a photo of my pallette. That's some really nice mud there in the middle! ;)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jul-2004/32418-rosespalette.jpg

Rhi

RhiannonJ
07-22-2004, 01:03 PM
Worked on it a bit again yesterday. I'm still fussing with the flowers.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jul-2004/32418-roses_flowers03.jpg

That blown out rose on the bottom left has given me fits but I think I'm gonna leave it alone now.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jul-2004/32418-roses_flowers03_cu1.jpg

I want to add some more yellows and greens to the roses on the right.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Jul-2004/32418-roses_flowers03_cu2.jpg

Finally decided to bring my Julien plein air easel upstairs and sit it by my monitor as I STILL haven't received my printer cartridges and the colour is off on the right side of my print out.

It's pretty much done. I'll post the final as soon as I stop fiddlin'. :D

Rhi

RhiannonJ
07-22-2004, 01:07 PM
Good job, Heidi!! Love your choice of pallette. Nice and bright! Good on you for taking this one on! You did a great job! Way ta go!! :clap: :clap:

Rhi

artbabe21
07-22-2004, 01:27 PM
Heidi....terrific job on yours! I like your flowers very much!! You've done well!!

Rhi...Your palette is a work of art!! All those yummy colors mingled. I have many of the Langnickels from 10 or more years ago and when I ordered new ones I got the 'fly away hair' ones & returned them. Glad you got some good ones for they are a superb brush! :)

I think you can stop fiddling, you've done a beautiful job...thanks for the close ups!! :) This week end I am locking myself up to paint mine. :eek:

RhiannonJ
07-22-2004, 03:08 PM
Heidi....terrific job on yours! I like your flowers very much!! You've done well!!

Rhi...Your palette is a work of art!! All those yummy colors mingled. I have many of the Langnickels from 10 or more years ago and when I ordered new ones I got the 'fly away hair' ones & returned them. Glad you got some good ones for they are a superb brush! :)

I think you can stop fiddling, you've done a beautiful job...thanks for the close ups!! :) This week end I am locking myself up to paint mine. :eek:

Nope, not done fiddlin' yet. I'm fiddlin' right now at this very moment. Have my painting right next to my computer. This is actually pretty cool! I don't have to squint at the print out. Have my nice large monitor to look it. :D It'll be done by later today. Then I'll sign it and take one final pic. ;)

Rhi

ripper4
07-22-2004, 09:50 PM
RHI, I love your pallet. I wish I could frame it and hang it above my fireplace.
It looks like you two have spent a long time together.

2001 ....I have seen this type of thing come up before, and it has always been due to human error.......Why don't you take a stress pill and think about this tomorrow.

I love that movie

Hamlin, I also use Isabel (bristle) brushes, and they are delicate.

Don

Annick
07-22-2004, 10:00 PM
Hello everyone!

Am on vacation right now - I brought all my plein air gear with me but haven't found the time to sit down and paint yet... Vacation with my husband is soooo busy! He fussed about me bringing that big 18 x 24 (and a couple more canvases), saying I wouldn't have the time... He has been right so far! But I'm not despairing yet.

Prairie Rune : I love your rendition! Those flowers are so feminine. :) I love your leaves too! If I can't do it like Thayer, I might decide to just have fun with it and do it "my way" --- whatever that is! Don't know yet... will eventually find out. :D Great job!

Rhi : simply gorgeous, your flowers are so close to Thayers. Putting your easel next to your PC's screen is a good idea since you can also do close ups much more easily. And thank you for putting the pic of your brushes. I was wondering if someone could answer this question I have... I use "silver" Winsor & Newton brushes... but they don't let the paint flow very well. They are recommended for both oils and acrylics, and at the time I wasn't sure if I would go towards oil or acrylics. Now I've decided to stick with oil. Is sable (like your Langnickels) any better? I have hog and those silver brushes with white synthetic "brush hairs". But if I need to switch to sable to enjoy painting a little more... 'Mind sharing your experience with me?

As for me, I've printed a 18 x 24 printout (multiple sheets stuck together) to help me on my way (balck and white) and an 8 x 10 color pic on photo paper. I find that having both helps me...

*Sigh*

I might have a bit of time before this vacation is over. Sure hope so. :rolleyes: We've been having fun on boats with friends and visiting little towns along the way. Very fun. But no time to paint. Will catch up with you all next week sometime (or before, if I have time to paint).

Later y'all! Have a great weekend,

Annick

WV.Artistry
07-22-2004, 10:13 PM
Below is a picture of some of my Langnickel's. I have mostly filberts... then some rounds and brights. Some people don't care for the newer version of them. They've had problems with the brush hairs flying loose. I didn't seem to get any like that. You can get them from Jerry's Artrama. What I need to get are some bristles. I have one Isabey. It's a filbert... very soft brush.

You only hold THREE brushes in your hand? I sometimes hold five or six! :p :D

Rhi

Thanks for the colors (and teaching me how to spell "pallette").

I think my leaves would have been: Pallete A) WN Raw Sienna, ? Burnt Umber, ? Naples Yellow Light, Gamblin Asphaltum, and Turpentine Mud . . then Pallette B) Doak's Medium Olive, Beckers Yellow Ochre, and Beckers Raw Umber. Pallete C) Doak's Lead-Pin-Yellow, and Doak's Medium Earth.

I was concerned you'd think it was a quirky pickup line, "Show me your Langnickels!"

:)

My problem is I can't get the paint out of them. But it does looks like you have something different than my Langnickel's.

Yeah, I only hold two or three brushes because I drink coffee, hold the medium, and know eventually I'm going to drop the palette if I don't pay attention. But what I really hate is when the coffee and medium get confused.

R

RhiannonJ
07-23-2004, 11:12 AM
Well, I'm finally finished! Honest! :D See, there's my little sig in the right hand corner.

This one was SO much fun! Thanks so much for letting me play with you all!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jul-2004/32418-roses_final.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jul-2004/32418-roses_final_cu3.jpg

I think those last "fidddles" really make those flowers pop out!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jul-2004/32418-roses_final_cu4.jpg

Rhi

RhiannonJ
07-23-2004, 11:17 AM
I was concerned you'd think it was a quirky pickup line, "Show me your Langnickels!" :)

Ha-ha!!! Woulda been a good one though!

My problem is I can't get the paint out of them. But it does looks like you have something different than my Langnickel's.

Have you tried soaking them in something like Master's Brush Cleaner
and Preserver? I've been able to save really old brushes that were caked with paint. Works great.

Yeah, I only hold two or three brushes because I drink coffee, hold the medium, and know eventually I'm going to drop the palette if I don't pay attention. But what I really hate is when the coffee and medium get confused.

R

I was thinking about you yesterday when I was up here painting and was juggling five brushes in my hand. :D I rarely use medium so I don't have to worry about mixing my coffee with it, but I hate it when one of my cats decides to tip toe across my pallette and leaves pretty coloured foodsteps all over the carpet!

Rhi

artbabe21
07-23-2004, 11:27 AM
Beautiful!! I'm in awe.....now I have to paint mine so you've given me courage!
Fiddlin' does pay off! :)

RhiannonJ
07-23-2004, 11:33 AM
Beautiful!! I'm in awe.....now I have to paint mine so you've given me courage!
Fiddlin' does pay off! :)

I think the fiddlin' really paid off too. Maybe some people wouldn't notice the difference but I can. :D You can do it, Cathleen! Was hoping maybe some of my close-ups might help. :D

This painting is DEFINITELY one of my favourites!

Rhi

bjs0704
07-23-2004, 01:05 PM
I haven't been able to join in as much as I would have liked this month. Day to day things have distracted me. But I finished my version! I found the roses far trickier than I would have thought!

Barb Solomon :cat:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jul-2004/11410-Thayercopy.jpg

artbabe21
07-23-2004, 01:17 PM
Barb...this is absolutely lovely!! It's good to see so many people joining in on this one!! :)
PS, I know what you mean about life interferring!!

Carey Griffel
07-23-2004, 01:29 PM
Everyone has done such superb work. I love the different takes on the same picture. Awesome!

Well, this is the sage I've been at for a while, but I've neglected to take a picture. Hopefully I'm going to get more done today. Maybe I'll even have this done by the end of the month...haha. Somehow, an extremely excruciatingly painful swollen mouth has kept me down the last week, but I'm up and running again, even if trying to ignore the last bit of pain. :rolleyes:

I've only worked about four hours total on this so far, I think, and, as you can see, haven't touched the flowers, but those are next. Yikes!!

Thanks for all the comments, everyone, and the courage!! :)

~!Carey

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jul-2004/32203-roses4sm.jpg

bjs0704
07-23-2004, 03:30 PM
Rhi - I have really enjoyed seeing your process! Your “Thayer” looks really wonderful. I love the colors in your roses! It looks SO GOOD!!!! Good job!

Annick - What colors did you use for your greens? I used a combination of viridian and yellow ochre. Some of Thayer’s leaves seemed to be an olive color that was more yellow ochre that viridian. In some places, he shaded with browns and in others he shaded with a bluer green. There are some very thin “white” highlihgts on the edges of the leaves (I used a green lightened with white).

Loop - The timer idea sounded really interesting.

Biki - How’s the new house going?

Don - Your brush marks look great! Your leaves look really good.

Paul - Your vase looks great! Keep up the good work!

Mike - I like the quiet cool colors in your version. Your roses are really lovely.

I usually print out my reference. Sometimes, I print out close up sections of certain tricky parts.

Florian - You have a nice sense of space in your background. I like how you handled the light and shadows in the background. Your roses and leaves look really lovely. The colors are quiet and lovely.

Dave - You may be right. I think that this is the trickiest painting that I have done with the MOM’s this year. It went fairly quickly, but it was tricky.

Prairie Rune - Your flowers are wonderful and cheery. I love your choice of blue and pink! It has a lot of character. The browns add a lot.

Cathleen - How is your version coming along? :D Thanks for the kind words and I hope your painting is going well.

Carey - Good start! Your background looks really good and you have done really well with the colors in the vase!

Barb Solomon :cat:

DLGardner
07-23-2004, 03:52 PM
Rhi, your piece is so clean and beautiful. Everyone is doing so well. I'm envious. I had had a rough start because my printer was not printing well when I started and I was using much darker colors than Thayer did. But my husband bought me a new printer for the digital camera/computer and I was able finally to get a better image to take with me to the studio.

So I've been juggling painting along with the awesome chore of manure moving (garden beds) and its been extremely hot so I haven't been able to spend too much time on it and it needs a lot more time for sure...but here is where I am at. Ignore my excuses please. I'm full of them.

Maybe the roses that I grow will be as lovely as Thayer's or Rhi's. :D
At least I have a new printer out of the deal!

Dianne
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Jul-2004/8002-Roses2.jpg