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Jet
06-14-2004, 04:41 AM
................... Glimpses of the Past !!

Since a few days ago i have been receiving several PMs, and most of them ask about the same topic.
I replied to a few, and then more new messages arrived, plus some of the ones i had replied to came up with new questions...then i thought in a solution....

....I remember back in 1972, when i first arrived to the states at a military academy, and right after school had started , i noticed that i was added to a group of foreigner students and assigned extra classes on American History.
I asked to the teacher why did we have to take american history classes, and what for ? the teacher pointed to his assistant and he said : so you get to feel America as one of us !! Wham !! that was it, and never forgot it...

Back to the present ...and thinking about the PMs i decided to go looking deep into the archives of WC for some articles or topics in the form of threads that could teach us some WC history ...About the history of the digital forums in WC..

The purpose of this History thread is to tell a story on true events with original documents, just like watching a movie or reading a book, real history which doesn't need further comments nor side explanations. Just plain food for Thought.

I will be diving into the Huge WC archive and will be gathering -every now and then- some articles that show us:

................... Glimpses of the Past !!

Sit Back, Relax and Enjoy !!

Lights please! ><
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..........................In The Beginning !! (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35830)

...............The inspirational thread (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35893&goto=nextnewest)

--to be continued--

Jet
06-14-2004, 12:02 PM
..
...it was at those times that one of the finest manipulators i know of, made his appearance and things started cooking faster...

............. Master Trimoon enters the scene (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35208) ,Some friends started having fun (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36115) with PS tools; An it went on Toward photo manips. (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36001) for a while....

Jet
06-14-2004, 02:00 PM
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....And while these guys were doing their first photo manipulations, there were some Debates about digital Art (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31271) that had been going on for some time .....

...and some direct debates as those Real vs Digital (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81132) were pretty common .......

...At that time too some digital artists started to Reveal themselves (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32856) before their fellow artists....

Rose Queen
06-14-2004, 06:02 PM
A very cool thread, Jet (not to mention that it got me to download some stuff for messing around with my photos!)... :D

Say, where do I get this "buzz" thing? :evil:



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Jet
06-14-2004, 06:15 PM
Thanks Diana,
it's a small history documentary so new members get to know the feel of the whole scene, and getting to know the hows and whys of the forums .
Most of all its purpose is to ease some of the confusion among new members, explaining that this is a cyclic situation that repeats itself everytime there's a change in members' idiosyncrasy, and there's nothing to worry about, as everything will settle down once again when we all know the true facts and know where we're standing today after all these past events.

Link to Buzz Pro plug in & Tutorials (http://www.skydancers.com/_fo2pix/buzz_tutes.html)

Thanks a lot for reviewing and positive comments.

Regards
:cool:

Michael
06-14-2004, 07:18 PM
True, it is a cyclic event, however, with each cycle there are little changes. This is the growth and the continuing acceptance of digital art. As anybody that does Digital Art knows, there is quite a bit of work and imagination involved. This is not a click of a bitton here and a filter here, it is a true, talent orinted medium.

Jet
06-14-2004, 07:53 PM
Michael, Thanks for your words .
Maybe in some scene, all those words and thoughts are going to be mentioned by me too, let's wait and see how i went about all those concepts and convictions...no telling more...you'll have to wait...
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Don't be impatient, please Let the story be told by itself....stay away from the fast-forward button.
I am not trying to label or push anyone's convictions here, these are true facts that have been archived intact, through the years. I am undusting them and showing them to you as is, so everybody gets to see the big picture, one that was done, way before we arrived here, so it's news to me too, and way too early in the story to start drawing conclusions; Let's each one draw his/her own conclusions when the last scene unveils...

I won't mix my personal point of view right now, not until the end where are some episodes in which, we (you and i) are the main characters and our opinions, and convictions are going to be shown to our fellow members, among those of the ones that were present at that time....
....those are crucial scenes and are left at the end on purpose, as they're considered best for a grand finale. ;)

(and don't spoil it, telling about the ending either) :mad:

Sit back, relax , enjoy !! here, some thorazine (lobster, lobster)

Stay tuned :cool:

***Lights please ><
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Michael
06-14-2004, 08:26 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jun-2004/31740-this.jpgwelllll...if you insist. Pass the melted butter please? :evil: http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/14-Jun-2004/31740-this.jpg

lemonbird
06-14-2004, 09:11 PM
This is a very interesting thread. Getting a bit miffed by reading some of these posts though. Digital is just a different medium.... no different imho than any other medium... just less cleanup! ;)

Red... better share! Mmmmmm... love lobster!

Michael
06-14-2004, 09:16 PM
April...I make an excellent Lobster..Crab legs too...Any seafood...Yummy!!! :p

lemonbird
06-14-2004, 09:24 PM
MMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMM
Lobster AND snow crabs! My two favs! :)

Michael
06-14-2004, 09:26 PM
Heheheh..I am still stuck on "everything" Where is that d**n blush emoticon? :confused:

lemonbird
06-14-2004, 09:29 PM
(((gives hug))) Awww...'Tis okay, just having fun. :angel:

Jet
06-14-2004, 10:44 PM
This is a very interesting thread. Getting a bit miffed by reading some of these posts though. Digital is just a different medium.... no different imho than any other medium... just less cleanup! ;)

Red... better share! Mmmmmm... love lobster!

These characters are speaking their minds off back in 2002, maybe some of these people don't think like that anymore...maybe there isn't any more people who thinks this way anymore.... yeah ! dream on >!!

As people has been talking during the movie, the management has decided to take a forward leap to spice the story a little...this story is happening closer to our times, ...
....with some characters you think you know already,...well,.. you're in for a couple of surprises...yuk, yuk, yuk... :evil:

>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<>>>>>The Foe to Graphic Art is Back (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154244)

-----><***********

Michael
06-14-2004, 11:36 PM
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How odd it is to read my opinions from way back, and to realise they have not really changed.
Photography really is my first love, always will be. Admittedly I gave been shooting Less and doing more renditions, but those renditions are a vision, a look into the true Picture as seen from the PHOTOGRAPHERS eye. When I shoot now, I not only look at composition, clarity, DOF, and the myriad othe factors that make a good Photograph, but am also looking at what I feel, and what could be done with the scene, what feeling I can convey with the photo, and what feelings I can pull from the photo.

None of this can be done by punching a few buttons or just applying a filter here and there. To get a good, meaningful, and ARTISIC rendition takes work. I have renderings that have taken weeks of solid work to do.
it is this level of passion and work in a piece that I feel makes it Digital Art.

On the other side of the Digital Art argument, the blank canvas, Takes more work and intensity than the style it is being painted in at many times. Mixing mediums, pulling a canvas across four or five different programs at times, the knowledge required to even go beyond simple filters, and knowing what interacts with what can make Digital Art far more intensive at times than other mediums.

An arguement often heard is "I like to see, and touch the REAL thing, not look at it on a screen". Well, so do we as artists, even Digital artists. There are many ways to put our work on different paper, canvas, cloth, wood, metal and on and on. Most of these ways are near, if not, archival now.

Another argument is,"But it can be copied and reproduced by anybody". This is emphatically NOT true. Every single piece is unique, every rendition is its own. Every one of us has, or is developing a unique style. Once the work is transfered to canvas, paper, or what have you, NO one is duplicating exactly as it is. You can scan with the best there is, but there will be differences. The texture and grain of the paper, the relief of the canvas, the shape of the wood. In short, once it is "archived" that is the artists passion saved as his own for all time.

For all of these reasons and more I believe the Digital Arts and fallowers of the field will continue to grow and gain exceptance, more and more every day.

Jet
06-15-2004, 01:00 AM
Michael, i know what you mean..

same goes here, i still think exactly if not stronger about it, and that's one BIG surprise to many who thought otherwise...

..yuk, yuk..believed i was a traitor, ignoring i have been fighting these battles from A to Z with no mercy..:evil:

..I know you were always aware of this, but i have received some PMs asking me questions, with the answer included...as why do you think a manip is not art?...
..SAY WHAT? ...so maybe my position wasn't very clear here, i hope that perception will change in the next few days, when we continue shocking the community with more fierce battles ..
..............from... Glimpses of the Past....

..But this is not about me..it's about the ongoing false notions about every digital art trend there is out there....
Still prevalent all around this tiny planet !!... i'll crush their little tiny heads.. crush,..crush 'em like lobsters..mmhmheh heh

:rolleyes: Lights Please :D ************* :cool:

Jet
06-15-2004, 04:20 AM
We have to be aware that there is some people that certainly don't help Digital Art in gaining respect among the art community, and that has nothing to do with the art/no art issue.

............This is about Honesty !!....

This is the kind of crap that just stinks up the place.
......................................http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Aug-2002/coffee_bad_lg_wht.gif

This is the first case i knew about it in WC...

Read Part #1 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56448) and Part #2 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57468)

....All it takes is to tell the truth about a procedure !! how hard can that be ?.. :rolleyes:
--to be continued--

cadence57
06-15-2004, 09:08 AM
This is the first case i knew about it in WC...

Read Part #1 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56448) and Part #2 (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57468)

....All it takes is to tell the truth about a procedure !! how hard can that be ?.. :rolleyes:
--to be continued--

So, what this person should have said is:
"Hey guys, I did something neat - I took Susan Dey's photo and overlayed it with my daughter's features and made a painting out of it..." Because, in essence, that is what she did. Interesting thread though and it shows how vulnerable this medium is to con artists...

annja
06-15-2004, 09:37 AM
I am glad you started this thread, it is so nice to know. Art is art. And if there is not art in a piece, then even using traditional techniques doesn't help. Matisse used a pair of scissors, yet he did art. Digital art reminds me graphic art (serigraphy, litography and so on and so on (who says that graphic art is not art?)), they both can be printed out. Just digitally you have got wider possibilities. If we feel like using them why not to use them?

Michael
06-15-2004, 01:59 PM
Digital art reminds me graphic art (serigraphy, litography and so on and so on (who says that graphic art is not art?)), they both can be printed out. Just digitally you have got wider possibilities. If we feel like using them why not to use them?

This is a quote to remember! :clap:

Jet
06-15-2004, 11:43 PM
The Photo manipulation forum was urgently needed as a lot of Manips (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92399) started flowing in the photography forum.

Everytime a nice photo came up, the guys wanted to put it through some kind of Manipulation (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138187)

...until it was decided to do it in a democratic way...and they started the Poll that changed it all (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89648)

--to be continued--

marilyn h
06-17-2004, 07:21 AM
A very cool thread, Jet (not to mention that it got me to download some stuff for messing around with my photos!)... :D

Say, where do I get this "buzz" thing? :evil:

Lucky you that you still have Buzz. I don't remember how we got it. But I do know that I don't have it anymore. It was such a fun plugin. Oh well!

Jet
06-17-2004, 08:17 AM
Marilyn, Hi!!
You still can download the last version you had, then ask for your password and you'll be up and running in no time !
Link to Buzz Pro plug in & Tutorials (http://www.skydancers.com/_fo2pix/buzz_tutes.html)
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About the confusing rules in WC, regarding digital works i had my share (big share) of mistakes as well.

I went on and posted a thread about a new policy or something like that , and received a not very merry welcome, as you might sense next when i suggested a New Netiquette (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154486) or trying to enforce the existing one.
You'll see how rules clearly state something, and there is people that 'see' different...

This was my first incursion in WC at suggesting a democratic solution for something that
was already aproved and written as a rule !!
** all it was needed was to go ahead and do it by the book !!

Who won ? :mad: [not the rule]....did i cry? ....Yes....:crying: .........but no ranting nor whining ....


Did i learn the lesson ?....H3ll no!!

that was just the beginning !! :evil:
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:angel:

jsr88
06-17-2004, 09:46 AM
Jet, you certainly dug up some great old threads in your digs through the archives. You also brought back some memories of the "Good Old Days" here at the WC that I still hold quite dear. Isn't it strange how things change as they apparently stay the same?

sherloc
06-17-2004, 11:51 AM
thanks for the trip down memory lane. It was a grand hour spent.

Jet
06-17-2004, 11:55 AM
Hi Julie !
One of my first friends in WC and a main character in the battle for getting
the manips forum alive and kicking, :clap:
as history 101 can teach us

Nowadays there's people who would like the manips forum disappear and have just one ALL digital forum,
Ok Julie, are you ready for the answer at the count of 1,2,3, NO WAY !! :clap: :music: :D

Nice you stopped by
you still owe me that try at the chalk technique, yuk yuk yuk

Regards

Jet
06-18-2004, 07:16 PM
Sherloc, thanks for your words of appreciation. :) i'm glad that brought some memories and i am grateful you're coming over and taking your time for leaving your comments.It means so much to me, but more important for the relevance of this thread as you are among the ones who were present at that time, not many of us.
Besides you are being of great help for getting the new members "believe" that these forums have a history as told in this thread, based on hard evidence, enriched with comments from those who starred in that adventure. :clap:
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--------------History 101 continues.....................

---------------------------Rare Stuff and Oddities--------------------
One of the things i found different here was the 1 hour time limit for editing your posts,and started a POLL (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157168).....
...i found out many things from all the kind people who took their time and replied at that time..thanks again !!

there's people who complain they don't get enough replies to their threads......
...A real warm and friendly thread was started wishing a Happy Valentine's (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167530) to all members, and i was overwhelmed by the response to that thread..
.................... :D ...that's what friends are for !! :cool:

See what happens when a portrait (digitally manipulated) was sent to the Digital Art Forum (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168165) then that same thread was placed at the Portrait Forum (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168230) and compare the number of replies......very subtle let the author know that digital works are a no-no there........so this author who happens to be a brat and loves to study the human behavior, went on with this plan... he changed the subject and told everybody there that it was sort of a manipulation ..and ...Surprise !! so many and nice replies were received...
...............maybe it was because the subject of the portrait was Mr. Scott Burkett --The Big Kahoona (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171154)-- founder of Wet Canvas...... :D

:angel: :D :D yuk, yuk, yuk, maybe it's all in the subject, and not in the method , i thought !!! mmhmmm.....

Thanks for your kind attention.......
...............I'll see you later in another episode of Glimpses of the Past
:cool:

Jet
06-18-2004, 11:06 PM
Thanks for the advices, suggestions and requests...I agree with you that it should've been placed at the beginning of this thread, but these glimpses are in no chronological order whatsoever, so everything goes..

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Jet
06-25-2004, 03:43 AM
I have this self assignment...where i need to go digging up the archives at WC's dungeon and i have been going in chronological order to get a feel of how and how much the Digi Manips Forum has advanced since its creation...

Now i've got a pretty good idea of its evolution.
It has had its ups and downs, a couple of strong periods, and a period of quiet "letargic hybernation" coming almost to a total halt....

meanwhile many digital manipulations (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113932) were constantly posted at the DAF (Digital Art Forum), with the known and ongoing....... :music: :rolleyes: :music:

.........At that time, many fine manipulators bailed out and are now at other sites going on strong.
-their motives are hard to know, although i could just go and ask them, as they are now good friends of mine, i'd rather leave this stone unturned-for the time being...

-----Next are some general conclusions i've come to, after going through 100s if not 1000s of posts and replies read and pictures analyzed.

Disclaimer: And yet, there might be a chance i were wrong on some of my assumptions.
So, i will leave open that possibility for anyone who could pinpoint any inaccuracies in this investigation, to please come forward and enlighten us with links on where it's held the info that i unintentionally could have missed and would change the percepetion of my point of view, so the readers can be confident on the info displayed here.

a) Most of the works at that time were simple stuff , that could be well defined in 2 general categories: photo montages, and straight filtered stuff.

b) The threads didn't stay on top for very long.

c) i believe it was due to the lack of information or details on procedure,as the artists were not willing to share, even when asked openly about it.

d) there were no innovators in the field at that time, and most the works were just photographs with minor tweaks and adjustments that rarely strayed far from the look of the original photograph.

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Once in a blue moon, there was a burst of geniality (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117140) in a thread, that "challenged" members into trying new methods or techniques applied to a chosen photograph.

However it didn't last long, and after the initial euphoria everything came back to the usual:....
..."nice work-keep it up-how did you do it?-i don't remember stuff....same old ...same old...:rolleyes:

........To be continued.....
:cool:

Jet
06-28-2004, 10:48 PM
History is written all over WC..
....And as usual there were some open discussions at the Digital forum, about The "old/new" -and sometimes heated to the max- Proverbial Debate (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81132)
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:rolleyes:
one of my earlier attempts (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=163504) to post methods for attaining painterly effects at the Digital Forum, and the reactions of members at that time......mmhm, i guess you'll find it interesting, to say the least!!

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Now, do you want to look at what happens when a rule is long forgotten and some thug comes out of nowhere, and grabs A can of worms (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157172) .... :mad: ...such is life...

:angel:

kptad2
06-29-2004, 02:08 AM
pretty cool thread JET .. i will be looking forward for all the things you dig up.. almost perfect timing too there have a few threads here where not justhere in this area but through the site where it seems to be gettinglost some of the littelthings about all of us here.. thanks for makingthis it sure has made a difference for me.. thanks again

Jet
06-29-2004, 11:29 AM
You're welcome Kim...you're right at how some concepts get lost in time .
.This thread is for acknowledging everyone who took part in the process, and to inform those who weren't here at the time. :cool:
--------------------------------

On this thread members exchanged comments (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81274) about the debate posted earlier.

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Let's rewind and go to DigiManips and see what's cooking about what goes and what not (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68187)..Just when a member posts an 'infamous' manipulated drawing (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68050) at the Digital Manipulations Forum.......Outrageous !!..mmhhmm, interesting !!

Confused to the max, and in the need of urgent help, started a thread where i recognize I had been wrong, all along (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162746), this brought some ease to the brain of the author.

..But, there was still one line left to cross, just to prove everything was cool among both sides; What could happen if....
So, finally the author (a real brat), couldn't resist the temptation and there he went to get a taste of instant ketchup http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jun-2004/27782-tomato.gif when posting NOT a photo manip (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157351) at the asylum.
*Please notice the words on the last post in that thread.

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And the icing on the cake is, this thread that starts as any other ranting thread, and everything seems to go on the right direction, just when an obscure character comes out from backstage and makes his 'unwanted' appearance and the topic goes on , but now with a new meaning... Dealing with arrogant artists !! (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165739) turns into who's the arrogant now ? !!

I love the bizarre turn this thread takes, after our friend cuts in, and the whole meaning of the thread gets severely compromised, if not vanished for good !....perfect timing !!..

Congrats Buddy you're making history BIG TIME !! LOL....let's play the kazoo...http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Jun-2004/27782-Tarby-0.jpg

To be continued------

Chiers
06-29-2004, 12:25 PM
This has always been a pleasant place to stop and visit and I see no benifit to dredging up old disagreements/debates, that should have been put aside a long time ago. The debate over "what is/what isn't" will not be solved for a very long time to come.It will continue to rise its head occasionally, but I see no value to sticking links to old posts on top, and making them a constant reminder.

If I were a newcomer to this group I might wonder after reading it if this forum was about art, or about debating it. LOL, and there is a separate forum for that.

Jet
06-29-2004, 01:18 PM
This has always been a pleasant place to stop and visit and I see no benifit to dredging up old disagreements/debates, that should have been put aside a long time ago. The debate over "what is/what isn't" will not be solved for a very long time to come.It will continue to rise its head occasionally, but I see no value to sticking links to old posts on top, and making them a constant reminder.

If I were a newcomer to this group I might wonder after reading it if this forum was about art, or about debating it. LOL, and there is a separate forum for that.
A very cool thread, Jet (not to mention that it got me to download some stuff for messing around with my photos!)... :D

Say, where do I get this "buzz" thing? :evil:

How odd it is to read my opinions from way back, and to realize they have not really changed.
For all of these reasons and more I believe the Digital Arts and followers of the field will continue to grow and gain acceptance, more and more every day.
So, what this person should have said is:
"Hey guys, I did something neat - I took Susan Dey's photo and overlayed it with my daughter's features and made a painting out of it..." Because, in essence, that is what she did. Interesting thread though and it shows how vulnerable this medium is to con artists...
I am glad you started this thread, it is so nice to know. Art is art. And if there is not art in a piece, then even using traditional techniques doesn't help. Matisse used a pair of scissors, yet he did art. Digital art reminds me graphic art (serigraphy, litography and so on and so on (who says that graphic art is not art?)), they both can be printed out. Just digitally you have got wider possibilities. If we feel like using them why not to use them?
Jet, you certainly dug up some great old threads in your digs through the archives. You also brought back some memories of the "Good Old Days" here at the WC that I still hold quite dear. Isn't it strange how things change as they apparently stay the same?
thanks for the trip down memory lane. It was a grand hour spent.
pretty cool thread JET .. i will be looking forward for all the things you dig up.. almost perfect timing too there have a few threads here where not justhere in this area but through the site where it seems to be gettinglost some of the littelthings about all of us here.. thanks for makingthis it sure has made a difference for me.. thanks again
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Thanks all for your comments on this thread :clap:

Kathryn8
07-01-2004, 09:59 AM
Now, do you want to look at what happens when a rule is long forgotten and some thug comes out of nowhere, and grabs A can of worms (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157172) .... :mad: ...such is life...

:angel:
I JUST DON'T GET IT!!!
Ahhhh Jetson, I knew you would get around to this thread....there is an old saying that one should "Let Sleeping dogs lie"....but with your *HISTORY* you are dredging up hurt feelings all over the place....I just couldn't let this go without saying something....I know you will probably contend that you are just teaching, but I, for one, don't see it that way.

Oh, BTW...I need to change my signature to:

The Thug/Kathy

Jet
07-01-2004, 10:19 AM
Kathryn,
...I would never picture you as 'that', pretty lady!!
.......you might have opened it, but.....

...... I am the thug who grabbed the can of worms here. :D




note: Wherever you see 'Thug', 'Brat', 'infamous', 'dark character' or any other "names",
i'm either talking about Michael or myself. :rolleyes:


Regards
:cool:

Michael
07-01-2004, 11:44 AM
note: Wherever you see 'Thug', 'Brat', 'infamous', 'dark character' or any other "names",
i'm either talking about Michael or myself. :rolleyes:


LOL...True enough :D

grahamrj
07-01-2004, 04:58 PM
See what happens when a portrait (digitally manipulated) was sent to the Digital Art Forum (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168165) then that same thread was placed at the Portrait Forum (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168230) and compare the number of replies......very subtle let the author know that digital works are a no-no there........
I think your interpretation is wrong. The portrait forum is MUCH quieter than here. It is easy to find portraits in non-digital media with 0 replies there. You got 1 reply (a good one IMO) in the portrait forum. I don't think that should be interpreted as anti-digital bias.

Jet
07-01-2004, 05:38 PM
Graham,
thanks for your reply...

It happens that there was the misconception that digital was not supposed to be at ANY forum..but at the digital forum...it has been like that on and off...so it's not a constant behavior....

Ii'll get some threads for you, so we can get some updated info, and we can comment about them with more confidence...
.......Please stand by...
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Meanwhile , let's warm up with this interesting question about Photomanips (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=197652) ...and a more interesting answer..!!
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---Stay tuned......

Jet
07-02-2004, 06:24 AM
**** Intermission for a Quick 'heads-up' on "History 101" ****
note: Wherever you see 'Thug', 'Brat', 'infamous', 'dark character' or any other "names",
i'm either talking about Michael (RedWater) or myself. :cool:
LOL...True enough :D

******* History 101 general observations *******

*It can be a Bummer topic or a real Stunner, it depends solely on the reader's opinion.
**Any opinions in expressed here by anyone, DO NOT define the author's convictions, but only the poster's point of view -.
*** Any replies to the topic in turn WILL NOT be discussed here- unless they are questions related to a SITUATION that requires a short NEUTRAL answer.
****As anyone else, the author is free to express his mind on this thread, BUT ONLY the characters starring IN the topic in turn are responsible for their dialogs.
*****Everything we SAY (write) in Wet Canvas stays recorded for posterity, for ANYONE to open and see what was like Wet Canvas since its foundation, way back in the 20th Century. Bear with it !

History happened, it was real then, also, it was the beginning and to a great extent, responsible for what Wet Canvas is Nowadays.
In real life we have a bit too many re-enactments (http://www.privateanthony.homestead.com/Reenactments.html) of painful situations, nevertheless we even support those as part of tradition.
Maybe due, to the great truth encased in the popular saying, passed around as wise quote:
Those Who Do Not Remember History, are Bound To Repeat It

We have to understand that history is not a series of isolated events that have nothing to do with each other and as result what we have now here at Wet Canvas.
This thread is not about people -per se- but to the events those people were responsible for. Besides, the reader , generally is more interested in HOW it happened than WHO was involved in the process.

Let's not change the meaning of words here, these threads might have human mistakes, they can be funny, shameful, ridiculous, ranting, childish, grumpy, senile, out of place and the like, but, painful... are not.

If, anyone can be judged by those threads it's me -The Brat-, be it, by my past rants, mistakes, apologies, stupidities, opinions, bad judgements, and plenty of ridiculous situations i was involved in, during the short time i have been here;
***But, I won't selfishly hide those threads from anyone just to let others think i am not capable of such behavior.
I don't regret one tiny bit of what i've done here, the only thing to be done now is to be careful of what i write from now on, as i only have ONE hour to regret and edit or delete what i have written, or bear with it and learn from past mistakes as a mature adult. -as far as that can be from being real for me.

I truly believe that there is a connection to events, and the impact of these events can be seen in our actual beloved Wet Canvas megasite; Let's come to understand the bigger picture of our history;
.. And, that we all can shape, and impact our current history, as those results are a direct product of our actual behavior and decisons we are taking, which are going to be here to be seen, by anyone, for years to come. :)

**********HAPPY 4th. of July************

Those Who Do Not Remember History are Bound To Repeat It

*********Look for History Re-enactments on your area********

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/02-Jul-2004/27782-rights-sm.jpg

Have a nice one.. :confused: whatever that is !

Elvira
07-03-2004, 12:46 PM
Jet this new Flame Warrior of Mike Reed's made me think of you and this thread.
http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame92.html
:D
Edie

Jet
07-03-2004, 02:45 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/25-Dec-2003/27782-rofl2.gif Thanks Elvira...now you've become one of us ..mmooouuuhahahaha .. http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Jun-2004/27782-asthanos.gif

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Kidding aside-
..You know it's curious, i can remember reading Necromancer's stuff ever since i came in contact with the web.....
And yes, you could relate some analogy as we both dig articles up from the archives, with some differences on the goal and intention of this act.

I have passed on many topics that, in spite of having something to do with WC's digital history,also there were some nasty fights, so bad that some of them had to be closed by Moderators.
They were of such bad taste that i decided against placing them here for everyone to see; there are others that get so out of topic that the original theme gets lost in endless personal fights, and they were gone too.

It's next to impossible to find a thread where a discussion takes place and everybody is right the topic...there's got to be someone doing a mistake, and it's only human and understandable.
That frequently reminds me of the fact that i'm looking for facts that tell me a story as in History not a as a fairy tale...

Nevertheless, if someone feels that his/her performance on any of these threads is truly painful or pathetic by his/her standards, just PM me and we can have a Moderator taking that link out for them...
If this person prefers talking personally to a Moderator, it can be done that way too; just let me know as common courtesy that something is being censored by the offended part and that's being clipped off by their request.

It's funny how we act sometimes in the heat of the moment and say or do things that later regret; so far so good..
- What's funny is,.. that I print those and have them on a board on the wall just to remind me of how i looked there, so next time -hopefully- i would act differently;
I really don't mind anyone who enters my 'LAB' go to the 'Dummy Board' and read all my mishaps, and i love the face they have after reading them...they have that look ..and say..Did you really do (write) that ? or.. why did you say that dummy ? then i remind them, that's why they're at the dummy board and that they're looking at the 'Dumb' aspect of their friend.

There's nothing wrong in acknowledging our dumb side once in a while...
.....it needs a pat in the back too, and not to be hidden away out of shame.

Regards