Hello Everyone

[guillot]

I just wanted to come in and say Hello to all of you beautiful people - I promise I will do my best as a co-mod to help you guys out. I remember when this forum was in it's beginning stages (classical vince :D ) and how much I was somewhat astranged by the idea of the forum because no "guidelines" where made clear for what was to become "The Classical Art" forum. It's a very broad subject that crosses many mediums - this is true. I'm still to this day trying to understand this particular forum (no, I am not biased) - and please don't get me wrong - I'm an avid lover of Classical Art! - but I would like some kind of clarification as to what subject matter should actually be discussed in this forum - because I'm seeing a little bit of "everything" in here - some things that do NOT pertain to classical art, or what this forum was "invented" for to begin with. Can you guys help me out - so that I can better help/serve you?

Thanks for all that you guys do!! You're all wonderful,
Tina

[JamieWG]

Hi Tina! The official forum description is:

Classical Art Come discuss classic techniques, share tips, post work and enjoy the fellowship of like minds working in various mediums. Contemporary, traditional and romantic styles are all welcome.

So, it seems clear as a bell to me that....anything goes! LOL There are a number of threads about it that reach an equally clear consensus. ;)

(FWIW, I'm totally confused as well. 'Seems most anything could qualify under one criteria or another.)

Jamie

[guillot]

Hi ((jamie)) - hope all is well with you. I know what the description says, and that's where I guess I'm a bit "aloof". It is too vague and encompasses just about "everything". I just want to make sure that for (1) - I don't step on anyone's toes here; and for (2) - I don't upset anyone when I move their threads to the respective forum it should be placed in to begin with.

So - I just don't want to upset anyone mainly - but I'm a bit confused as to what should be here and what should not, LOL :D

When I think of "Classical Art", as for this forum - it would seem a "discussion" of those techniques - applying those techniques, learning from those techniques, understanding those techniques - the things that "evolved" from classical art....etc. etc.

Sorry - came back to edit again - I keep thinking of things to say :D

Even if it is a WIP - describing those "classical art techniques" - I can see that too - but I'm seeing everything from still lifes to drawings to well....just about everything without any kind of reference to "classical art - the techniques - the symbolism - etc. etc."

I just want to be able to do a good job for you guys - that's all. No harm intended.

Thanks for the reply,
Tina

[bjs0704]

Welcome, Tina

I have tried to keep an open mind and welcome anyone who worked in a realistic style that was interested in traditional techniques. I have often wondered what others are thinking of when they refer to work as classical. The term could be reasonably used for many different things.

Barb Solomon:cat:

[Biki]

Hi Tina

I think of this forum in terms of classical/realism as apposed to abstract/contemporary. The medium used is not an issue.

As this is where my main interest lies, I know that every post here will be of interest to me.

[Matt Sammekull]

Well Hi darling Tina!

I'm glad you decided to moderate this forum as well. I know how busy you are with the life outside of Wet Canvas (yes people, there is such a thing), so let's all here do our best to make the moderators superfluous! :)

Good luck on ya!

Hugs,

//matt

[artmom]

Hello, Tina!

The works that I do in no way can be considered "Classical Art." However, I hang out here, because I admire those who strive to use the techniques and paint the subjects the "Masters" did. I probably won't live long enough to become proficient in my art to my satisfaction, but, in the meantime, I learn a lot on this forum. :)

Lyn

[Classical Vince]

Hi Tina! Congrats on the new position ;)

When I first came to WC I was surprised that this subject wasnt covered in any of the forums. I was floored actually. It was like being in a cd store and not finding a Jazz section. I stopped participating in the discussion about the forum pretty early, in fact I didnt even start the thread. :angel:

You mention that you see a little of everything in here. Why does that worry you? I think its a healthy sign for a subject forum. All media have been represented here including Oils, Pastels, CPs, Charcoal/Drawing media, and even Digital Media.

Since you are an avid lover of classical art Im confused as to why you ask what this forum was invented for. Its been invented for anyone interested in the subject to post anything they want about it although the word invented doesnt seem appropriate considering the history behind the subject.

I read there will be a new Marine Forum. There will need to be rules for it too. If I paint the pond at my local park will it be "marine" enough?

I would hope that members of the marine forum would oblige me the same welcome if I ever do paint that pond. Of course there will be those who say "THATS not marine" enough and if they ever do...I'll be the first to ask them why they invented their forum in the first place. :rolleyes:

-CV

[Biki]

I read there will be a new Marine Forum.

-CV

oooh goodie. I am going to need the help of some sailors when I get the courage to start my "dream boat" painting. Remember that one Vince? :rolleyes:

However, as a classical wannabe, I would like to use this forum to ask the clever ones, how to improve. Even tho my current painting is not classical, I want it to be - so when I finish it, I expect you all to help me with honest comments - ok? :)

I am warning you - you had better answer - or else !! :evil:

[JamieWG]

I read there will be a new Marine Forum. There will need to be rules for it too. If I paint the pond at my local park will it be "marine" enough? -CV

Actually, the new Marine Art forum is already up and running! Come on in; the water's fine. :D Here's a link:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=135

The Marine Art forum pertains to the ocean and ocean life, so seascapes, lighthouses, shells, fish, boats, etc. are the standard fare.....Though I doubt anybody there would start a flame war over a lake scene. ;)

Jamie

[bjs0704]

I have often heard others say that they don't work classically because they aren't good enough. I really like the classical forum and I hope that people can make it clear that classical is an approach not just a quality level.

There are some people who know they are classicists from the moment they first try to pick up the pencil. I have had a hard time trying to think up ways that could encourage them.

Barb Solomon :cat:

[arlene]

Hi ((jamie)) - hope all is well with you. I know what the description says, and that's where I guess I'm a bit "aloof". It is too vague and encompasses just about "everything". I just want to make sure that for (1) - I don't step on anyone's toes here; and for (2) - I don't upset anyone when I move their threads to the respective forum it should be placed in to begin with.

So - I just don't want to upset anyone mainly - but I'm a bit confused as to what should be here and what should not, LOL :D

When I think of "Classical Art", as for this forum - it would seem a "discussion" of those techniques - applying those techniques, learning from those techniques, understanding those techniques - the things that "evolved" from classical art....etc. etc.

Sorry - came back to edit again - I keep thinking of things to say :D

Even if it is a WIP - describing those "classical art techniques" - I can see that too - but I'm seeing everything from still lifes to drawings to well....just about everything without any kind of reference to "classical art - the techniques - the symbolism - etc. etc."

I just want to be able to do a good job for you guys - that's all. No harm intended.

Thanks for the reply,
Tina

first i need to apologize for not introducing Tina to this forum properly. Where were my manners?

One only has to go back through history to realize that all subject matter was used at one time or another.

I think classical can be narrow or wide open. If in someway classical techniques have influenced you either in your subject matter, your technique, your style, etc, then you should feel welcome here.

For example. I have studied the dutch still life painters and their techniques. Working in cp, those techniques don't quite work, yet by my modifying them, I feel I'm fine here. Especially when I'm creating a still life.

[guillot]

Hi Tina! Congrats on the new position ;)

When I first came to WC I was surprised that this subject wasnt covered in any of the forums.

Hi ClassicalVince - Actually it was and still is discussed frequently in the oils forum :)


You mention that you see a little of everything in here. Why does that worry you? I think its a healthy sign for a subject forum. All media have been represented here including Oils, Pastels, CPs, Charcoal/Drawing media, and even Digital Media.

It doesn't "worry me", I just want to be clear on the subject matter of this particular forum :)

Since you are an avid lover of classical art Im confused as to why you ask what this forum was invented for. Its been invented for anyone interested in the subject to post anything they want about it although the word invented doesnt seem appropriate considering the history behind the subject.

Did I ask "what it was invented for"? LOL I understand the concept - I'm just confused about some of the subject matter posted here that would seem to me to have nothing to do with classical art. Possibly linked, of course to your last sentence up there - (my confusion). I just want to be able to properly understand so that I can in turn properly help out. Thanks for the feedback !! :angel:

Hi Matt - thank you !!

Hi Arlene - thanks for your understanding and clarification as well. I don't want to drive everyone here nuts - but I do want to understand :)
I'm looking for the "link" between what's posted and classical art - as in your example of studying the dutch!! I've seen some work - without a link. And I guess that's why I'm trying to definitize. Maybe too much, huh? :p LOL And thanks for the welcome too !!!

Tina

[Keith Russell]

I think (and I hope) that this forum has thus far approached 'Classical' art from the perspective of works created based on a knowledge of technique, materials, and an approach to subject matter (any subject matter)--or, at least, works that exhibit artists' desire to improve their knowledge of these things--rather than approaching it intending to restrict discussion and postings to works that employ 'Clasical' subjects alone.

(Wow, that's one sentence...)

K

[Classical Vince]

I just want to be able to properly understand so that I can in turn properly help out. Thanks for the feedback !! :angel:

Hi Tina! I am sure you will do a fine job ;) I think we all want to keep the forum open and available to anyone who has an interest in the subject. It really would be a disappointment to see someones thread moved because a mod didnt think that it fit. There's enough room for us all in here! :D

(Wow, that's one sentence...)

Well said K.

[Classical Vince]

Actually, the new Marine Art forum is already up and running! Come on in; the water's fine. :D Here's a link:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=135

The Marine Art forum pertains to the ocean and ocean life, so seascapes, lighthouses, shells, fish, boats, etc. are the standard fare.....Though I doubt anybody there would start a flame war over a lake scene. ;)

Jamie

Another forum to visit...yeah! :clap: Well...if the flames ever did fly...I'll have to tell em to go jump in a lake ;)

[Classical Vince]

I am warning you - you had better answer - or else !! :evil:

Biki is asking for it isnt she?! :angel: :evil: Bring it on! :p

[artmom]

More of my thoughts on this subject:

When I was in my senior year at college (at the advanced age of 50 :eek: ) I "challenged" Painting 101 by presenting my oils. One of the art instructors pooh-poohed my work because he said I didn't paint "original" art because I had admired the Old Masters and liked to use dark, rich backgrounds in my still life work, with the subject emerging and melding with the bg. The professor pointed out to him that he was not there to critique my choice of subject and style, but whether or not I had progressed in skill from painting #1 to the last one. I successfully challenged the course!

So, the Classical works have always inspired my work: my skill level just can't emulate them! But no matter my skill level, I hope my oils in my new phase of painting will emulate the style and beauty of the Classics.

Lyn

[Titanium]

Tina,
Hello,

you can try it like this.

Traditional Painters=Old Masters or
Renaissance,Baroque,Rococo,18th Century[Neo-Classicism]
,Romanticism.

Dutch little masters.

Realism-Classical Painters-19th Century French Academics.

Many of the modern atelier painters do not like the term
Classical applied to their work.

I like the term Traditional Painter[or Fine Artist],because
the techniques I grew [growing out of]out of are based on
Da Vinci,Giorgione,Titian,Rubens,Van Dyck,Caravaggio,
mostly mass painting.Fine Artist because the work is refined.

Also because Traditional painters work more on composition,believability,allegories,and only from life and
imagination/memory.
Catch you later.
Titanium

* I am not sure one applies the term Old Master to
paintings after 1760 or so??

[guillot]

OMG - I feel so bad. Didn't get an update on a reply to this thread and thought it had died off :)

TITANIUM!!!!! :clap: It is SO wonderful to see you back :) We have truly missed you. I agree with everything that you have said!! I like "Traditional Painter" as well, and hope with all my heart that I grow in that direction.

Thanks,
Tina