ideas that didn't work?

[HF AIRBRUSH]

hey,
i got some great ideas from my aussie mate for using natural materials with the airbrush...but did someone have had ideas that didn't work out like you planned?

ive seen some great artists like JW using sponge but im sure he didn't just take it and used it...

so tell me how did you find out those great idea's and what didn't work?

henk

[Caterwallin']

henk,

I get my best ideas from reading! Mostly airbrush magazines and airbrush related forums such as this. There are thousands of rendering techniques that are in "regular" art trade magazines! I have found that while I paint 95 percent of my art with the airbrush, there are some things that an airbrush can NOT do!

But if I want to create a certain effect or texture, then I just research it or think of ways to paint it, then I sit down and experiment with all of the ideas that I came up with!

If it works, I go on. If not, it's back to the drawing board!

I have had so many failures, that I could not list them all!

Are you trying to create a specific texture or effect?

Sam

[HF AIRBRUSH]

hmm..not really but im just wundering how you guy's get those idea's..hahaha..
i see a lot of you use mask...well i tryed it ones but i just ended in the trashcan..hahaha...man that just wont work for me...like the zundapp ok...that works but i stopt for a while and did the puppy power first to relax..
the zundapp i already used 10 hours and its not finished...the puppy power i didn't need more than 8 hours to finish it...im just a freehand guy and when i start i start slowely...but then there isn't a stop anymore and the painting just appears...hahaha..

but like i said...JW used a sponge on denim...but he must have tryed other things before that maybe not worked....so how did he got the idea of using a sponge?...

henk

[REBEL]

Most think of adding paint for effects, how about removeing paint. Retard the paint then pick something to match the grain you want and wick it off ... blue jean look, base coat, retard top coat and wick with coarse fabric to expose base colour to create effect. Wood grain, retard black wipe with tack rag to make streaks, then top with trans. brown. (on smooth surface) http://rebel-air.net/db5/00490/rebel-air.net/_uimages/BOOTCAMPWOODPPG.jpg And this one I came up with and will use offen ... stipple colour on (small lumps) , top coat different colour and then sand off. Colour comes off the high surfaces first exposeing base colour leaveing the top coat in the valleys ... lizzard skin http://rebel-air.net/db5/00490/rebel-air.net/_uimages/FLAMECLOSE.jpg

[ProfessorGreibowitz]

Thanks, REBEL! Those are good ideas. The main concept is that adding millions of details is too time consuming so using nature to do it (stipple, sponge) is the trick! Organic, detailed, but doesn't take all day. Now, can you do multiple layers? Add more stipple and resand???? Might add more realism?

The pics really helped see what you meant.

Thanks,
Tim

[Keith Russell]

What's wrong with taking all day? (What else ya gonna do?)

I mean, if everyone is using sponges, or a particular 'trick' for a particular effect, your stuff isn't going to stand out, if you use that same trick, settling for the same effect everyone else is getting.

I've subscribed to Airbrush Action for more than twenty years; I've read all the tricks. But, often, they're just that--tricks, shortcuts; 'crafty' ways to make something look like something else, without the artist ever having to know what the thing really looks like.

I find that I learn the most by actually looking at what it is I'm trying to do, and then figuring out a way to accurately render it. Often, it doesn't take 'all day', and I get a better look in the end, and not the same 'look' that everyone else is getting.

K

[REBEL]

Tools are tools, it's the artist behind the tools that make things happen ... make them stand out. Many people use the same airbrush or same hairy stick but produce vastly different works. :evil: I want to see someone paint blue jeans one dagger stroke at a time :evil: ................... 'crafty' ways to make something look like something else, without the artist ever having to know what the thing really looks like .... = ..... I find that I learn the most by actually looking at what it is I'm trying to do, and then figuring out a way to accurately render it. Just being a REBEL :angel:

[gazman]

Ha,ha,ha,ha,....good onya Henkman....you.... my ole china......are a freehand man...and that's the truth.

It's great you tried the Stanky method but mate...free hand rules O.K??.

Ideas that didn't work eh...hmmmm?...for me...it was the one where I thought I could actually make a living outta being an airbrush artist....ho,ho,ho...merry xmas...do not pass go and do not expect any acceptance from the wider art community.

That's the ONLY one that didn't work for me...the rest is on show here and on my walls...I believe in ME...and ME alone:)always will.

Here's me grass trick boyos and girlos.....and some flyscreen on the microphone....John Lee Hooker...da man..R.I.P.

Gaz

[HF AIRBRUSH]

hey mate..
well i tryed the grass on the puppy power...it worked for a while...but after a few minutes there was to much paint on the grass....so i got stripes from the grass on the painting...i also found it hard to get the grass spread so i could paint over it.....
but ok...finally it worked.....but i just needed the grass to dry so the paint would not come off anymore...

henk

[gazman]

hey mate..
well i tryed the grass on the puppy power...it worked for a while...but after a few minutes there was to much paint on the grass....so i got stripes from the grass on the painting...i also found it hard to get the grass spread so i could paint over it.....
but ok...finally it worked.....but i just needed the grass to dry so the paint would not come off anymore...

henk

Yeah mate...soon the grass will be coated and dry...then it's better...if too much paint gets on it...wipe it on your shirt:)...easy

Gaz

[HF AIRBRUSH]

on your shirt?....hmmm and thats ok with marge?...hahaha
henny would kill me...hahahaha

henk

[ProfessorGreibowitz]

Gaz,


Awesome pic! The stuff between him and the mic seemed to distract. I guess I wanted it very dark so he and the mic took "center stage". But the way you did his head... very cool. Gives it a metallic look.


Thanks,
Tim

[gazman]

Gaz,
Awesome pic! The stuff between him and the mic seemed to distract. I guess I wanted it very dark so he and the mic took "center stage". But the way you did his head... very cool. Gives it a metallic look.
Thanks,
Tim

Ole "tin head John eh...naaaa...he's cool...and he was never really centre stage...he is a part of a montage I painted on an entertainment unit ....and my backrounds...well I want people to question them but not be drawn to them...here's the BIG PIC.:)

My daughter loves rap... so man...I get to paint the African American a lot....in fact I prefer the tones and features:)

ENJOY...that's what I paint them for:)

But wait this WAS a commision...I think my last...March 2002....one of my carpentry clients..nice lady.I will show the other side soon:)

Gaz

P.S...that's Eric and Otis with him...these people were some of her faves in music...so that got on the unit....which I made as well... BTW.

[Caterwallin']

Gaz, this is beautiful!!!

I think some of the most awesome paintings I have ever seen were done with the freehand airbrush!!! Gaz, your work is amazing! I wish that I could render everything with the airbrush, but I'm not that talented! Even the paintings that I do without any fixed masks have some hand held free moving mask/shield work in them! I just don't see how it's done any other way!!! But thats my own inability or limitations! I totally admire you "freehand" guys!

Henk and Gaz, what is your definition of freehand airbrush?

Sam

[gazman]

Gaz, this is beautiful!!!

I think some of the most awesome paintings I have ever seen were done with the freehand airbrush!!! Gaz, your work is amazing! I wish that I could render everything with the airbrush, but I'm not that talented! Even the paintings that I do without any fixed masks have some hand held free moving mask/shield work in them! I just don't see how it's done any other way!!! But thats my own inability or limitations! I totally admire you "freehand" guys!

Henk and Gaz, what is your definition of freehand airbrush?

Sam

Freehand airbrush,...definition..

Free...to set loose...
hand....the hand,the extension of your soul
airbrush....a love beyond all others..(bar my wife and kid:)..)

Freehand airbrush is who I am Sam..I truly believe that I was born to it...it is the only form of art where I can express myself fully.

I can get by using a hairy stick or a palette knife...but then I am just one of millions...with my airbrush...I am ONE.....I am the king of the world:)

My airbrush is an extension of my heart and soul no matter what I paint...I guess that's why I don't sell too many...they are like my kids:)

Take this work for instance...In my heart it will always be mine.....even though I have no clue where it is....the people are divorced now and the husband got custody of the cabinet.

Free your mind...and your airbrush will follow....no fears...no limits.

It's a bit cliche...sorry....:)but that's how I paint.

Gaz

P.S..Sam..don't wish it...paint it...it was in you when you were a child and your paintings filled the refridgerator door...it's still there mate....it is......it's in all of us.

[ProfessorGreibowitz]

Gaz,

Great work! Now I can see the background in context and it isn't distracting like I thought. Being a guitarist for 30 years, I have one gripe. heheheheheh

Fret markers 3, 5 and 7 are not centered vertically. But you prob knew that. Still.... awesome work. Great likenesses. Cool collage!!!! My fav tho, is J.L. at the bottom. Looks like some dark mettalic sculpture.




Keep posting! We be enjoying dem! hehehehehhe Oh, I found the ref of Tupac you used for your portrait of him. Looked just like him!




Tim

[gazman]

Gaz,

Great work! Now I can see the background in context and it isn't distracting like I thought. Being a guitarist for 30 years, I have one gripe. heheheheheh
Fret markers 3, 5 and 7 are not centered vertically. But you prob knew that. Still.... awesome work. Great likenesses. Cool collage!!!! My fav tho, is J.L. at the bottom. Looks like some dark mettalic sculpture.Tim

...and being in a Fifties Showband with my brother for twenty odd years playing electric and most of all double bass....guitars don't interest me...ha,ha,ha,.
Naaaaa...that's the beauty of freehand...express it...and it will be there.

and here's the other side P.G...and everyone....eye candy for all:)

My man Bo Diddley....Ray...and a very young Elvis Costello...OH YEAH....

:music: Bo Diddley buy a baby diamond ring..dada da dah dahh da dut da dah :music:
...and if that diamond ring don't shine...dada da dah dahh da dut da dah :music:
he gonna take it to a private eye. :music: :)

Gaz

[ProfessorGreibowitz]

hehehehe

Great! Man, the markers on that Gretsch (or is it a Gretsch?) are great! Very good control to get them that straight.


Thanks fer posting them.


I feel your pain regarding "making it". I have played in bands, studios, CDs, video soundtracks, but now I can't play due to 6 fingers with nerve damage. :crying: At least you can still airbrush!!!! I like the style of these. One day I'll be artful and combine good art with good execution. I'm just working on execution mostly now. Trying to copy. I really admire those who can do both. Maybe someday!!!!!


What does "good onya" mean?


Tim

[timmjohnn]

Freehand airbrush,...definition..

Free...to set loose...
hand....the hand,the extension of your soul
airbrush....a love beyond all others..(bar my wife and kid:)..)

Freehand airbrush is who I am Sam..I truly believe that I was born to it...it is the only form of art where I can express myself fully.

I can get by using a hairy stick or a palette knife...but then I am just one of millions...with my airbrush...I am ONE.....I am the king of the world:)

My airbrush is an extension of my heart and soul no matter what I paint...I guess that's why I don't sell too many...they are like my kids:)

Take this work for instance...In my heart it will always be mine.....even though I have no clue where it is....the people are divorced now and the husband got custody of the cabinet.

Free your mind...and your airbrush will follow....no fears...no limits.

It's a bit cliche...sorry....:)but that's how I paint.

Gaz

P.S..Sam..don't wish it...paint it...it was in you when you were a child and your paintings filled the refridgerator door...it's still there mate....it is......it's in all of us.


gaz,yer pretty deep....thats a good thing though.................tim

[gazman]

Hey P.G....

Yeah that's a gretsch...country gentleman...I guess...maybe...love the sound of those bad boys.Brian Setzer and the Stray cats light my fire:)
couple of bits of masking tape helped straigten those frets too:)

Good onya mate....(Aussie speak)...teaching Henkman too.

Good onya mate....well that means "good for you old chap":)...

AND Tim...I sometimes just speak it right from where I feel it...my heart...it's a trait that I am not that "comfortable" with...especially across this,sometimes ugly.... internet thing...it has come back to bite me before....:)...but I still write it.

I just want to help in my own way.

Good onya ....Gaz

[TeAnne]

Gazz! You may come and pick me off the floor anytime now :D :clap: :clap: I love Bo Diddley. His music..........WOW! :cat:

[timmjohnn]

the idea that didnt work for me is not havin an idea at all...im 26 yrs old and do not know what i realy want do yet. with that said i feel i must RESERCH and EXPLORE every possibility that stands in my path of this so called life.
i am a big thinker and am allways comming up with new ideas..you will find this out farely quik..as i am always wanting other peeps oppiniuns on ideas that i come up with..some of the things i say may seem silly to you so laugh if you want to..i dont mind. asking other peep's just helps me understand the pro's and con's and may somtimes help me make a disision on what ever.
i have been airbrushing for 5 years and consider myself a work in progress..
...........thanks tim

[HF AIRBRUSH]

hey tim...i dont think that this just didn't work...but your just planning how to..
you at least got a few good points...your just 26....so you still got the time..
and your airbushing for 5 years now...so you started early enough...
im almost 38 and just airbrushing for almost 2,5 years now...

ive had a good idea...but that didn't work out..
last evening i started a new painting this dog, a longhaired dachshund is kind of red...brown...
normaly i paint this dog brown...and with some yellow and red ill bring up the color...
this time i made the whole dog yellow first and then with brown...WWWHHHHAAAAA....dgee what a color..ghahahaha...this didn't work at all...so i put some layers of base coat over it...and start all over again this evening...hahaha..

henk

[timmjohnn]

hey tim...i dont think that this just didn't work...but your just planning how to..
you at least got a few good points...your just 26....so you still got the time..
and your airbushing for 5 years now...so you started early enough...
im almost 38 and just airbrushing for almost 2,5 years now...

ive had a good idea...but that didn't work out..
last evening i started a new painting this dog, a longhaired dachshund is kind of red...brown...
normaly i paint this dog brown...and with some yellow and red ill bring up the color...
this time i made the whole dog yellow first and then with brown...WWWHHHHAAAAA....dgee what a color..ghahahaha...this didn't work at all...so i put some layers of base coat over it...and start all over again this evening...hahaha..

henk
yeah, mabe i should have said an idea that would not work..ok lets see...
an idea that didnt work for me.ummmm.......ok here is an idea that i have tried and didnt work for me.BARK thats right , plane ol tree bark...i have read a very good book called painting the secret world of nature by john agnew, and ive tried some of his ways of rendering bark..for the life of me i just cant get a realistic looking tree bark..i can do a realistic looking weathered tree trunk like the dead ones you might see in a swamp or marsh..but for an oak tree,,FORGET IT...its so hard for me..john agnew makes it look simple...his way just dont work for me..whick brings me to my next question. can anyone here give me an idea as to how i can render this affect.
thanks...............tim

[Penny220]

Ideas that didn't work, hmmm, all of them and none of them. I'm with Gaz on this one, just be one with yourself and your airbrush and the paint will flow through you. Try to push it and it will certainly fail. I've had ideas that didn't work that worked for something totally different so they all work just not always as you thought them too. Remove the thinking thing and it will always come, it's when you think it that it doesn't work and when you feel it, it will almost always work.

As far as cheats and how to do's just start spraying with anything and everything and start building your own references. We do have a project for this forum for just this purpose.

Gaz, I missed something, how did you render the grass?

Penny

[timmjohnn]

i am in desperit need of restock!..im all out of canvas so i was lookin around the house for somthing to paint on. well just when i was about to give up i leaned up against the window and noticed me window shade...hehehe....its one of those vinyle pull down shades..it kinda has a canvas feel to it..well i then cut it up and then cut a 2'x2' piece of half inch plywood and then looked at my rabbit glue container..oops, all out of rabbit glue..so i then went in my daughter's room and stole here elmer's glue...hehe..ill buy her some more..so i glued the vinyle to the plywood and so far its holding up nice..i would have spread some gesso over it but wouldnt ya know! i only have a wee bit left..so i went into the basment and grabbed some acrylic latex exterior paint and had just put my first cout on. i think ill put two more coats on then sand it like i would gesso...im about to find out if this will be another idea that wont work,lol

[gazman]

i am in desperit need of restock!..im all out of canvas so ...im about to find out if this will be another idea that wont work,lol

It's a great idea and it DOES work...here you go...and mate don't let me take the wind out of your sails...just because the idea didn't work for me....it may for you.....and you don't even have to stick it to a board or anything.

Please by all means use the trompe-loie principal of the shutters it helps....and man go for it...you might get sales.
The picture of the old man is hung on a completely seperate frame...which can be hung anywhere with two hooks...and it STILL rolls up and down...see as a carpenter you too can make the framework:)

I call it "Roll away Art"

The Rhinos in the Kitchen are there more permanently..and they have been there since 1995...and most times rolled up....the acrylics are handling VERY well.
I have sprayed a matt finish on these to protect them....but they are painted in Artist grade acrylics...water paints...and they stick great.:)

Half a world and twenty years apart we are mate but it's like looking in the mirror:)

Go hard Tim...you are the man...good onya....Gaz

P.S..these pics are painted in the traditional hairy stick method ....no excuses:)...just thought I wanted to do it

[timmjohnn]

[QUOTE=gazman]

I call it "Roll away Art"




hey gaz, i have thaught about that too..actually i thaught about it today. but i just couldnt figure out how to atatch it to the wall with out window rods.lol..so i cut it up. i never would have thaught about building a frame for it. i wonder if the same princable could apply to a roll of canvas. lol. i did do a black light reactive piece on canvas panel. i could build a frame at the top of the artwork to house the black light...wow. by the way i used createx florecent colors. its a painting of some lil green guys under a trippy mushroom..thanks you full of good stuff...............timm

ill have to try that

[gazman]

Gaz, I missed something, how did you render the grass?
Penny

It's not so much how to render the grass...did you notice the backround of the entertainment unit...the sorta cross hatching...well that is layer upon layer of irreverant spraying thru a sheath of grass....which as henk pointed out...gets full of paint...so I just wipe it dry with a rag or my painting shirt.:)

Here you go...you can see my grass here..they are real old now..but all the better for beinpainted a squillion times...I just keep fraying them out.....and when they are completely stuffed...well I have a large yard:)

Good onya...Gaz

[TeAnne]

It's a great idea and it DOES work...here you go...and mate don't let me take the wind out of your sails...just because the idea didn't work for me....it may for you.....and you don't even have to stick it to a board or anything.

Please by all means use the trompe-loie principal of the shutters it helps....and man go for it...you might get sales.
The picture of the old man is hung on a completely seperate frame...which can be hung anywhere with two hooks...and it STILL rolls up and down...see as a carpenter you too can make the framework:)

I call it "Roll away Art"

The Rhinos in the Kitchen are there more permanently..and they have been there since 1995...and most times rolled up....the acrylics are handling VERY well.
I have sprayed a matt finish on these to protect them....but they are painted in Artist grade acrylics...water paints...and they stick great.:)

Half a world and twenty years apart we are mate but it's like looking in the mirror:)

Go hard Tim...you are the man...good onya....Gaz

P.S..these pics are painted in the traditional hairy stick method ....no excuses:)...just thought I wanted to do it
Oh wow! More...........Beautiful stuff. :clap: :clap: :clap: