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Phyllis Franklin
11-08-2000, 11:26 AM
Well, I have decided to drag out the watercolors again. Woe is me....but you have to give me credit for never giving completely up. This morning I tried this one. I would have kept going on it, but we had to leave early (art group meeting). Maybe this is a good thing because now I will not get back to it until late tonight or maybe tomorrow. In the meantime, could you take a peek and tell me what you think are the good points and bad points. I cropped the pic down from a 12x16 sheet of Arches cold pressed 140lb paper that is on a block. The cat is in the center of the paper and I don't really intend for it to be a finished work, but rather just a way to learn (or try to learn) how to move my colors around. I would like to drop in some kind of background and maybe have the cat laying on a piece of lace. This is partly from a book I have, but partly just from observation from my own kitty and my head. (I hate that, but it IS just play.) Can you help me? <IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/lliscat1.jpg" border=0>

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Phyllis Franklin
11-08-2000, 11:35 AM
This is how much room I have. <IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/lliscat2.jpg" border=0>

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animal
11-08-2000, 01:06 PM
Phyllis,

this is great, The texture of the fur and you made it have that soft cat-kitten look.
Watercolours are hard, right now i am trying to paint in diferent mediums,but it is much harder than drawing, i am working on a gorilla in watercolour, but I`ll post it when i get it done and a picture taken

oleCC
11-08-2000, 05:48 PM
Good for you llis! So glad to see you doing this..and a nice beginning it is too.
If you want the fur any softer, you can always take a damp Qtip..on the tips of the hairs against the background. The tail looks as though your drawing will give it more body when you finish right? You are blending your colors really nice...I like that http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
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Katee
11-08-2000, 06:43 PM
Llis

This looks good upto now, I love the way the cat is just laid, with not a care in the world.

I can imagine him on a sunny windowsill, either inside the house (he could be laid on a lace cloth), or outside, with some lovely washes to indicate the stonework, and some plants, or a creeeping rose partially in the picture.

Looking forward to seeing which way you decide to go.

Karen http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

LDianeJohnson
11-08-2000, 07:46 PM
Hi Llis,
Just a couple of thoughts. The cat is coming along so nicely that if you add any detailed lace it will take away from the loveliness of what you already have. How about a soft lightweight blanket that that cat is on. I don't usually see cats resting on lace, although that would be a great combination. You've captured such a nice relaxing image, I'd carry that through with a nondescript background, a windowsill or or a soft draped fabric in a "v" shape, and put a bit more detail in the fur (along with the paws.)

CarlyHardy
11-08-2000, 09:29 PM
Phyllis....you have been hiding all this talent with watercolors from us....shame on you! I love the kitty! Soft blending really captures the look of fur...not a lot of detail...cats are so mysterious. I can see a slight edge of a bookshelf above the kitty...and books on a ledge below.

Lying on lace?...Logo would rather have my velvet pillows! or the blanket on the guest bed!
carly

nnelson1
11-08-2000, 09:38 PM
Background? Whatever you want! This cat is just too laid back, man.
I dare ya to paint a mouse or two tiptoeing past!!

Beautiful beginning!

Cheers,

Nick

Phyllis Franklin
11-08-2000, 09:48 PM
Oh Gee.... gosh.... blush blush... Thanks so much y'all. I do so admire those that can paint in watercolors and everyonce in awhile I get mine out and try. BUT... tisk tisk...this is about as far as I ever get. I start to fiddle and I guess I just don't hit the right strings because by the time I finish, all I have is a big mess. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif

Nelson, I love that idea about the mouse! Now to find a mouse reference. lol

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Gisela
11-08-2000, 11:16 PM
Awwwwww...I wanna tickle his little paws and wake him up! This has laid back written all over Llis. Very nice!

Gisela

nancymae
11-09-2000, 12:53 AM
Good for you!!! I also have a hard time with Watercolors!!! I think you did a great job with the cat...good drawing...I like the way you did soft flowing of colors, versus the hard edges of the fur. They blend well together. I think the crocheted cloth in front will look great!! Use negative painting to achieve the holes in the crochet.

I also think you have a great drawing style with the paints. Keep having fun!!! You don't have to do a complete painting each time you sit down!! The more you do, the better you become at it!!

Nancy

Phyllis Franklin
12-10-2000, 11:13 PM
Well, I get started really good...but then I just make a mess. First off, I used frisket to do the lace by making dots where I thought I needed them. Only thing is, I should have put frisket to make the thread,and not the holes...lol Silly me.

So...then I tried to fix it by putting frisket where the thread was going to be...and then making a really dark base for the table. Could not make a really dark brown table because the kitty is dark brown...or so I thought.

At any rate... is there a way I could save this, or do you think I just need to learn a lesson and start over? <IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/skitty.jpg" border=0>

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Phyllis Franklin
12-10-2000, 11:19 PM
BTW: Thanks everyone for all the great suggestions. As you see, I did go ahead and try to do the lace. It is something I wanted to learn to do and also something that is dear to my heart. Something about all those lace dollies laying around remind me of my grandmother and she was a special lady. I love to crochet and my kitty likes to help. Just sorta wanted to do something that tied into how we play and wanted to show a tired kitty laying on a finished work. Now wish this tired kitty (me) had a finished work.

I think Carly is right about most of my work... I get it started, but don't know how to finish. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/frown.gif

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oleCC
12-11-2000, 12:39 AM
Boy oh boy llis... you sure took on a project for someone who doesn't do watercolors as a general rule! First let me say I admire the way you did the cat...truly truly good! I think the lace would be too busy - pulls the eye away etc., and I am curious about the shapes behind the cat too ?!
I wouldn't start over llis...would making that a braided rug with muted colors be too adverse to your lace idea? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol


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CarlyHardy
12-11-2000, 01:02 AM
Don't you dare toss this one!
You captured the fur and the sleeping kitty perfectly....
I think the idea for the braided rug is a good one...you already have the shape and the general pattern laid in...now just add the color. I don't know what the big round shape is behind the kitty either...you might turn it into a porthole window. Or paint in something else behind the kitty. I love the fishbowl...but a hint of a fish would be nice. It looks like the cat ate the fish and is napping..lol.

Color wise...the top is all purples and the bottom all greens. take some green up and some purple down. (did that make sense?)
carly

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ameliajordan
12-11-2000, 06:21 PM
Yeah, I'd go with the braid rug - in soft colors that repeat some of the cat's colors so they sink in together. I don't think the white circle is adding much - it's so centered but why?... I'd go for the fun of playing up the emply fish bowl. BTW the cat is just super! fur - colors - position. I'm not buying the "can't do watercolor" bit when you can do this http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Phyllis Franklin
12-11-2000, 11:39 PM
<IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/skitty11.jpg" border=0>

Well, you have to give me credit for not quitting.

But, I think it is time to move on. I am really not liking anything but the kitty.

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Phyllis Franklin
12-11-2000, 11:45 PM
Do you know what this lesson is?

<FONT size="4"><FONT COLOR="Orange">PLAN BEFORE YOU PAINT! DUH....</FONT s></FONT c>

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oleCC
12-12-2000, 06:08 AM
LOL planning helps llis, but I am really impressed with the way you dealt with that rug. Sorry you needed to "lose" the lace idea, but this does not take away from the cat so much. He is simply adorable! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
Don't you dare quit on this...Carol

PS: I haven't mastered using my software for this kind of thing yet...but what do you think of this idea for the background? It picks up some of the rugs colors.

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Phyllis Franklin
12-12-2000, 09:10 AM
That really looks great Carol... but how do I fix my background now.. Maybe a glaze?

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oleCC
12-12-2000, 05:30 PM
Yup llis.....glaze works, but you will need to lift as much color first as you can, but be careful not to disturb the fibers of the paper too much. Once done, let it dry...and
then start your washes. If the paper is too disturbed to work with, try a thin coat of gouche, let dry...then glaze. Good luck, I hope it works out ok for you... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif
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ameliajordan
12-12-2000, 08:25 PM
Big improvement with rug and background but I do like Carol's idea of repeating the rug colors in the background. Like the way you played up the fish bowl and lost the circle in the middle. Personally, I think it's a neat painting and you should be pleased with kitty. Wish my guy was sleeping so peacefully instead of hunting the Christmas trees http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Grace
12-12-2000, 09:39 PM
Your painting keeps getting better and better! I can't wait to see how you finish it. That glazing bit Carol described sounds tricky to me! Great cat by the way!

Grace

Phyllis Franklin
12-12-2000, 10:53 PM
Thanks everyone for all your help and support. I did finally finish this piece, but did have to turn it in to mixed media. I decided to use some pastels to cover my mess and bring the painting to a close. I learned a lot and had fun. Can't ask for any better than that. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Here is the final picture. I call it Friendship. <IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/skitty12.jpg" border=0>


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oleCC
12-13-2000, 01:04 AM
Good for you llis! I love the fishy and the background looks better too! Do miss that braided rug you did so well.. Nice work!
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Phyllis Franklin
12-13-2000, 06:05 AM
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Grace
12-13-2000, 08:44 AM
I sure like where you went with this one.
It's Great! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

MaryBeth
12-13-2000, 11:58 AM
This is my first post to the watercolour forum! This topic is great, especially from a beginner's point of view. I am amazed at how your painting has evolved! I would never have guessed you could rework a watercolor to such an extent. I am looking at all my practice paintings with a new eye! And the fact that you came up with a finished, mixed media piece that is so good must be very satisfying. I usually feel inclined to toss aside things that didn't work the first time, but now I'll never be able to do that again. What a good example you have set by your perseverence http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif.

Mb

Katee
12-13-2000, 06:28 PM
Phyllis

Thanks for sharing the finished painting with us, it's been fun watching it develop.

Agree with Carol about the 'braided rug' in the earlier version. Actually I thought it looked more like a satin material, but loved the way you rendered the drapes of the material.

Best wishes

Karen http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Phyllis Rennie
12-13-2000, 07:58 PM
Awww--such a sweet kitty! Ours is such a rascal! Good job saving your painting. You really picked a rather dificult subject for a beginning watercolor but still managed to end up fine.

ameliajordan
12-13-2000, 08:03 PM
Llis, good for you for keeping going. The finished piece is charming - kitties can be so sweet when asleep and you really brought it out. I like the fun of the kitty and fish as pals http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

CarlyHardy
12-13-2000, 08:38 PM
Phyllis, this turned out to be a really good lesson for all of us too! I like the shape especially of the quilt under the kitty..added a lot to the overall composition and the not so busy pattern fits right into the scheme. Saving the entire painting with the pastels was a wonderful idea...I think they will become your first love!
Now about that title "Friendship"...reminds me of a quote from somewhere..."Keep your friends close and your enemies closer!" lol
not so sure the fish would call it that!
carly
p.s. glad you are entering it in the one emotion project!

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Phyllis Franklin
12-14-2000, 12:19 AM
Nancymae, animal, carol, katee, diane, carly, nick, gisela, amelia, grace and marybeth, Thanks so much for helping me thru this and thanks for your comments.

I just wanted to add that I have entered this piece into Carly's project in the Community Project section here at WetCanvas!. Carly's project was "One Emotion" and the emotion I have entered is called "Friendship". http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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indianawatercolorclub
12-30-2000, 02:06 AM
let me first say great drawing and effort.but looking back at the beging efforts i think it would be better to stay mor transparent.but then i lean toward transparent watercolor,also work on your value distrubution,you have alot of potential dont ever put away your h2o colors again!

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llis
12-30-2000, 06:16 AM
Thanks so much for your encouragement IWC. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif And, for that matter, everyone who replied to this thread. Thanks, y'all! You are what makes WetCanvas the wonderful site it is. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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