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smartshop
01-15-2004, 05:00 PM
Has anyone here visited this new auction site? These guys are as good or better than eBay and offer free selling and a sign up credit. I saw an article last week that raved about this guy (an ex eBay power seller) who appears to have a future golmine for anybody that wants to trade without fees.

jolie
01-15-2004, 05:56 PM
I've never heard of this site. I checked it out after reading your post and don't see how it can even come close to eBay at this time, much less be better than. The reason for that is that it has no buyers (and very few listings). A trading without fees offer means absolutely nothing if there is nobody to trade with.

I hope it does grow and become a good alternative, but at this point I'm far from convinced. There have been several auction sites that seem to run similar to eBay, but with the improvements we all wish eBay would implement. So far none of them have made a go of it so I haven't bothered with them. It's hard enough to find time to get all my listings done for eBay, much less a venue where I am unlikely to sell.

Thanks anyway for the info. I'll be keeping an eye on how the site goes.

Jolie

meriadoc
01-15-2004, 07:31 PM
of course there isn't going to be massive competition with ebay.

why? they've got billions of dollars at their disposal and could probably kill the competitors.

what we as sellers really need to do is set up some auctions with these ones, as well as at ebay, and on our websites telling people that we also sell at other auction sites.

new auction sites really have limited budgets, and therefore need the sellers to help promote them.

I really can't stand the monopoly that ebay has - and if there are people out there willing to make a go of it - i'm gonna support them (when I do more auctions)...

especially if there's gonna be free listing fees ;)

jolie
01-15-2004, 08:32 PM
[QUOTE=meriadoc]
what we as sellers really need to do is set up some auctions with these ones, as well as at ebay, and on our websites telling people that we also sell at other auction sites.

new auction sites really have limited budgets, and therefore need the sellers to help promote them.

QUOTE]

meriadoc,

i don't disagree with you about that, and believe me i've thought about it. i even thought about it as i was typing my previous response. the problem for me is that at this point, art is not my full-time job. i'd like to be someday, but it isn't now. that means that i have to use the little time i do have very wisely. naturaly, a good part of that time has to be spent painting, or i have nothing to sell.

that means only a tiny amount of time is left for marketing, and frankly, i need to spend that time in a proven venue. if i don't, i don't have money to spend on more supplies, don't have money to spend on marketing materials, and can't work toward being able have art be my primary job, rather than my second one. i think it's a common problem for most artists...we already have a full-time job and have to fit our real passion in somewhere.

so yeah, i don't like the monopoly ebay has either, but i also like to have a place that i know my art will sell. i'm not saying that i am ruling out all other sites, just that i will try them only if i have time to spare.

jolie

meriadoc
01-15-2004, 10:12 PM
all I am saying is that some of these places have no listing fees, unlike ebay that screw you both ways, which I think is unfair.

I don't have any money (very little anyway), and although i occasionally sell on ebay, frankly i lack the self confidence currently to continue - my ego (as fragile as it is at the moment) isn't taking the lack of hits, and therefore interest - and thats pretty much making my life miserable at the moment.

So because of this, I don't want to spend the money on listing prints and photos on ebay, just to pay to have my own ego bruised.

The free listings at other sites can provide an opportunity to get an ego bashing for free ;)

But really the only way to help these sites is by listing (hey, its free so why not), even if it just prints, rather than originals, or smaller originals, and try and drive some traffic to those sites...

-- L

CarlyHardy
01-15-2004, 10:57 PM
Meridoc,
I understand the frustration. Ebay is not an easy marketplace for any of us and sometimes I get frustrated with paying fees without any bidding. But I did try some of the other auction sites....and found that investing my time into venues without any results was more expensive than being consistent with Ebay. Yes, it's not the only game in town....but it's the only game where my time gets a payback with sales.

I did have a few sales at yahoo auctions a couple of years ago...but then they decided to charge for their listings too....and it wasn't worth the time or costs to continue there.

carly

CarlyHardy
01-15-2004, 11:00 PM
Has anyone here visited this new auction site? These guys are as good or better than eBay and offer free selling and a sign up credit. I saw an article last week that raved about this guy (an ex eBay power seller) who appears to have a future golmine for anybody that wants to trade without fees.

Smartshop, I see this is your first post at WC!, so you must be a new member? Welcome. Was wondering if you're selling at this auction site? How can we find your auctions?
carly

tmcclary
01-16-2004, 03:36 AM
The site looks well set up, but it is a ghost town. I actively support (buy and sell) on some smaller niche auction sites, but that 's the key...they are niche sites. Honestly, I never sell high price art items on those sites, or on ebay either. I sell most of my higher priced stuff off my website. I think for an art sales site to work for both artists and buyers it will have to be well funded, well advertised, well planned, and not advertised as a place to get a bargain but as a place to buy quality original art by self-rep artists.

dorith
01-16-2004, 09:41 AM
while i do think ebay is a great venue for selling my art, i still get ticked off by the prices they charge, their rather flappy support and the way their art auction section is set up.
is there a specific reason why wetcanvas doesn't establish itsself as THE place to buy good art - basically taking that small piece off of ebay's cake?

my theory is, that ebay is getting too big to handle the specifics of each niche - therefore an auction site that is geared specifically towards art for example should make shopping for the potential buyers quite a bit simpler, and not to mention quite a bit cheaper for everyone. i don't disagree with paying listing fees on ebay - just the amount is getting to the point where it's really ridiculous. so if there WAS a place out there in the realms of the i-net that actually is worth the money, i wouldn't hesitate a second to sell there - provided it was a site that is professionally done and marketed - oh yeah, and a company that employs american workers of course. :D :D

Antoine
01-16-2004, 10:26 AM
Welcome Smartshop!! & thanks for telling us about this new auction site.

It is kind of a difficult cycle. Iím glad other auction sites are popping up more and more, but how would such sites get going without buyers /sellers support. And if there is no action already they would not attract peopleÖ and eventually die down. Iím sure to get something that would give ebay some competition they would have to spend a great deal on advertisementÖ more than the average company possibly could.

Noble
01-16-2004, 10:46 AM
I've never heard of this site. I checked it out after reading your post and don't see how it can even come close to eBay at this time, much less be better than. The reason for that is that it has no buyers (and very few listings). A trading without fees offer means absolutely nothing if there is nobody to trade with.

I hope it does grow and become a good alternative, but at this point I'm far from convinced. There have been several auction sites that seem to run similar to eBay, but with the improvements we all wish eBay would implement. So far none of them have made a go of it so I haven't bothered with them. It's hard enough to find time to get all my listings done for eBay, much less a venue where I am unlikely to sell.

Thanks anyway for the info. I'll be keeping an eye on how the site goes.


The problem is it's a chicken / egg scenario. Your position which almost everyone takes (and makes personal economic sense) helps create and prolong the situation. The only way (in my mind) to get a new auction site to a kind of critical buyer mass is to *pay* the buyers, that is, have the final prices paid for by the auction site, so the sellers get their money and the buyers get free (or severely discounted) products.

You know how fast an auction site like that would get buyers? Don't blink your eyes you might miss it. The problem is, the site can't afford such things. The only reason ebay made it, is because it had nobody to compete with. The competition came about because ebay was successful. It is too late now. A better mousetrap will not work in this case. The buyers use what they know, the sellers go where the buyers are. The only way to get a new site viable on the scale you are wanting, is to have e-bay go away for about 3 months or so. Not gonna happen.

Ok, well that's my prediction and views on the matter for what it's worth (not much).

jolie
01-16-2004, 12:26 PM
[QUOTE=Noble]The problem is it's a chicken / egg scenario. Your position which almost everyone takes (and makes personal economic sense) helps create and prolong the situation. The only way (in my mind) to get a new auction site to a kind of critical buyer mass is to *pay* the buyers, that is, have the final prices paid for by the auction site, so the sellers get their money and the buyers get free (or severely discounted) products.[QUOTE]

You are completely right, of course and I am certainly part of the problem. I wish we all had the extra time and money to devote to a new well-thought out site, but it probably won't happen. Even if it did, I'm sure many would probably become disenchanted...not because this or any other venue isn't a well-working one, but because you just can't please everyone all of the time. Every single business in the world has people who love it, people who are indifferent, and people who hate it. It's just the way business (and everything else works). I'm not saying that to be negative, but to point out that no business is perfecty and that regardless of the annoying things about eBay, many of us ARE making money...and that's what it's all about, isn't it?

I'm not sure I'm clear on what you mean by an auction site paying the buyers. Do you mean that the auction site covers the winning bid so that it can sellers can be assured of getting paid, rather than having dead-beat buyers? Then the buyer would pay the auction site?...and how would they get a discount? Wouldn't that mean the auction site was always coming out with less than they put out financially? I must not get it and am curious about what you mean. Could you explain further, please?

Jolie

Noble
01-16-2004, 01:00 PM
You are completely right, of course and I am certainly part of the problem.
Most everyone (including myself) are, it is only natural.

Every single business in the world has people who love it, people who are indifferent, and people who hate it. It's just the way business (and everything else works). I'm not saying that to be negative, but to point out that no business is perfecty and that regardless of the annoying things about eBay, many of us ARE making money...and that's what it's all about, isn't it?
Yes, of course. I'm saying that ebay has an essential monopoly on the online auction market, and it will be impossible to break it through natural market forces unless they go down long enough to let competitors get their initial footing.

I'm not sure I'm clear on what you mean by an auction site paying the buyers.
What I was suggesting was ludicrous (on purpose). I simply meant the buyers get something like a 90% discount but the sellers get full price. The site pays the sellers the 90%, but the buyers pay only 10%. Buyers wouldn't trust the auction site sending them cash initially, so I'm saying a discount would work.

It would take no advertising, just word of mouth. As soon as people caught wind of that, the site would get more traffic (buyers and especially sellers) than anyone could handle, the servers would probably crash under the onslaught until they caught up. The amount of money required to do that would be staggering but it would do the job. :cool:

The reimbursement rate would then phase out gradually over a fixed amount of time and then you would have a 2nd ebay.

surreal
01-17-2004, 01:23 AM
..........................
But really the only way to help these sites is by listing (hey, its free so why not), even if it just prints, rather than originals, or smaller originals, and try and drive some traffic to those sites...

-- L

I agree with you!
:)

jocelynsart
01-17-2004, 10:50 AM
Well, I decided to give them a shot. What can it hurt? I just am testing it with a typical portrait commission. I did have to pay for Gallery image though, which does not come up beside my auction listing but on the first page in the category, under Featured Gallery. It was .50
If anyone also does, I have one thing to let you know after doing it myself.
When creating your About Me page, edit and copy your info before Previewing. If you want to go back and alter anything, after Back Buttoning, you will lose everything you put in the fields. This is a big pain and I wasted a couple hours retyping it all back in. Aslo, second paragraph field does not seem to come up. I just put everything into First Paragraph field, html for images and all.
Since I am the only listing in Art Fine Art I doubt I will see any bidding. But, like ebay was in the beginning, less competition for a couple years for artists, may be a benefit.
Joss

surreal
01-17-2004, 11:12 AM
Well, I decided to give them a shot. What can it hurt? I just am testing it with a typical portrait commission. I did have to pay for Gallery image though, which does not come up beside my auction listing but on the first page in the category, under Featured Gallery. It was .50
If anyone also does, I have one thing to let you know after doing it myself.
When creating your About Me page, edit and copy your info before Previewing. If you want to go back and alter anything, after Back Buttoning, you will lose everything you put in the fields. This is a big pain and I wasted a couple hours retyping it all back in. Aslo, second paragraph field does not seem to come up. I just put everything into First Paragraph field, html for images and all.
Since I am the only listing in Art Fine Art I doubt I will see any bidding. But, like ebay was in the beginning, less competition for a couple years for artists, may be a benefit.
Joss

Thanks so much for the info.
I will give this site a try as soon as time permits.
:)

ptogel
01-17-2004, 11:31 PM
If you list with them, put a counter on your auction. So you can actually see if somebody looks at your item. But at the end, the results count. Do you sell or not.

I find it strange, that Creativeauction.com is not even listed in Google or in the Yahoo directory. So how should the people know about the site?

Here are some statistics of the site:

Based on Alexa (http://www.alexa.com) the site shows the following statistics:

Page Views per user: 2.0

Page views measure the number of pages viewed by Alexa Toolbar users. Multiple page views of the same page made by the same user on the same day are counted only once. The page views per user numbers are the average numbers of unique pages viewed per user per day by the users visiting the site.

Reach per million users:
Today: 5.5
1 wk. Avg.: 1
3 mos. Avg.: 0.35

Reach measures the number of users. Reach is typically expressed as the percentage of all Internet users who visit a given site. So, for example, if a site like yahoo.com has a reach of 28%, this means that if you took random samples of one million Internet users, you would on average find that 280,000 of them visit yahoo.com. Alexa expresses reach as number of users per million. Alexa's one-week and three-month average reach are measures of daily reach, averaged over the specified time period. The reach rank is a ranking of all sites based solely on their reach. The three-month changes are determined by comparing a site's current reach and reach rank with its values from three month ago.


If you compare it to eBay, these are the eBay numbers:

Page Views per user: 18.3

Reach per million users:
Today: 37,700
1 wk. Avg.:37,650
3 mos. Avg.:36,635


Which shows that the eBay trafic is a lot more....

Peter

surreal
01-18-2004, 04:43 PM
I decided today that I would give the auctions at amazon.com a try!

If I have any successes there, I will let you know.

:)

dorith
01-18-2004, 05:14 PM
is there a specific site that has ONLY art auctions?
if i was going to buy art, and there was such a thing on the i-net, i would for sure look there, because i wouldn't have to sift through thousands of other offers.
that's another nitpick i have with ebay - they have so many categories to wade through (which of course CAN be avoided) that it's almost overwhelming.

surreal
01-18-2004, 05:19 PM
is there a specific site that has ONLY art auctions?
if i was going to buy art, and there was such a thing on the i-net, i would for sure look there, because i wouldn't have to sift through thousands of other offers.
that's another nitpick i have with ebay - they have so many categories to wade through (which of course CAN be avoided) that it's almost overwhelming.

Hmmm.
If there is a large site that only has art auctions it would be a good find!

:D

jocelynsart
01-18-2004, 05:32 PM
Dorith, so true. I often have thought WC should have it's own auction area. But....I know that is a big headache that probably Scott would Not want. lol
But, there are probably alot of visitors here besides just the artists who come here. I did not even realize that at first upon being here.
I figure, the OP probably came here to advertise Creativeauction. But, I don't see the harm in putting up an auction offer. The counter on mine comes with the auction template. You don't need to find a counter somewhere else. I have hits but probably from people here mostly, going to peek.
Surreal, good luck at Amazon! I looked through the Art Cat. in Yahoo one day while I was sitting alone playign around and I saw worse amounts of 1cent Repros then on eBay. There were literally 15+ pages of them with maybe one lonely little original or artist's print in between them.
Joss

surreal
01-18-2004, 05:38 PM
..............................
...............I looked through the Art Cat. in Yahoo one day while I was sitting alone playign around and I saw worse amounts of 1cent Repros then on eBay. There were literally 15+ pages of them with maybe one lonely little original or artist's print in between them.
Joss

LOL
I guess there is no way to escape the sight of the 1 cent repros on auction sites!

Thanks for your good wishes.
I figured I would try to sell older pieces on amazon.
LOL

surreal
01-18-2004, 05:45 PM
An auction area on WC would be grand.
;)
However, it would probably require a paid staff of several full-time employees in order to be fully operational!
:eek:
Just think of how many artists we have here who would love to participate in a WC auction site, and how fast the word would spread when other artists found out about this hypothetic art auction site on WetCanvas. A WC art auction site could become a booming business, IMHO.

I think I have said enough on this subject.
:o

ptogel
01-19-2004, 12:15 AM
I used to work as the leading product manager for an online auction website in Germany. So creating one just for art is not impossible. But this would take a lot of support from the artists.

The key for all auction websites: traffic

Artist that list on an auction website would need to inform all of their old clients that they offer art on that new auction site. This is at least a necessary evil in the beginning. Do you guys keep the e-mail addresses of all your clients? Do you have repeating customers?

The auction site would also need to focus on ART. It would not work if the site just tries to copy eBay or Amazon.

How big is the interest in an art only auction site? How many artists could we get for a start? I could imagine free listings in the beginning.

Peter

JoyJoyJoy
01-19-2004, 09:58 AM
Peter... perhaps you should start a discussion, with poll, in both the Internet Sales and the General Art Business forums... see what kind of support there would be for a new art auction site.

I would love to see, and would totally support, a Wetcanvas based or supported auction site for our original arts and prints.

With almost 35,000 members, I believe Wetcanvas is the largest online artist community. Right there, we are way ahead of any small art auction websites... in that we already have a large, active group ready to sell at a Wetcanvas auction site and market that site. Reading this Internet Sales forum as well as the General Art Business forum, it is obvious that many of us are looking for new places to market... and many of us do have established mailing lists, websites, and promotional materials to advertise a new auction site.

I really think we could do this...if someone with the knowledge could create the site and make continuous placements on search engines. And, hypothetically, if there were only 1,000 Wetcanvas artists interested, but each had 5 pieces in auction, that is 5,000 original art auctions on one site! If each of these 1,000 people had websites linking to the auctions, included the auction address site in all their promotions (business cards, letterheads, etc), sent out announcements to past/possible customers, and talked up the site to everyone they know... well, we would just have to get more than a few hits a day. And, we would have several advantages over listing on eBay... such as attracting customers really looking for original art, listing without competition from mass-production art houses and Kinkade prints, and paying reasonable fees to cover the operating costs for the site.

The reason the small art auction sites are not making it is because they are set up as a business only, doing its own limited marketing and with profits going to that business. A Wetcanvas auction site would be a business with a huge, already existing artist community backing it.... and, if we artists supported it in everything we can, the site would be successful and the artists would make the profits.

Or, perhaps the site might be an on-going sales gallery, instead of auctions. Just my 2 cents.... Nance

ptogel
01-19-2004, 11:03 AM
Or, perhaps the site might be an on-going sales gallery, instead of auctions. Just my 2 cents.... Nance

If I would built the auction site, it would have a "buy now" function so members could use it as a "shop" as well. Also a very interesting feature: "auction extension". Whenever someone bids in the last minute, the auction could extend the auction for another 2 minutes. This way, snipers would loose out and sellers could get more money for their item.

In terms of Kinkade Prints, eventually these sellers would probably show up on a good site as well. But this can be covered with good category management. And there is also my concern on creating an own auction site. If eBay would fix the categories, we would be all happier.

Isn't that one of the biggest problems on eBay right now? Aren't there to many paintings in one category? If eBay would create subcategories in "Self representing Artists and "Contemporary (1950-Now)*>*American", the world would be already better. Less listings per category would not create the need of expensive "feature plus" listings.

If they would add subcategories like:

- watercolor
- gouache
- oil
- acrylic
- other

Wouldn't that help?

As a eBay Powerseller, I keep on sending this request. Maybe you should do the same. This way, it would be easier to shop for buyers. I think the fees of eBay are not bad, if we don't have to use "feature plus" all the time to get showings. eBay's functionality and traffic is hard to beat. And setting up a new art auction site is not cheap either. Nobody does that just for fun.

I might be wrong, but this is my perspective. Let me know what you think.

And yes, might try to set up a survey.

Peter

dorith
01-19-2004, 11:05 AM
hi joy,

actually, that's exactly what peter and i have been looking into. peter has extensive experience with that kind of thing, and what better time than now, since he's out of a job at the moment.
we emailed scott yesterday, to ask his thoughts on this topic - haven't heard back from him yet, though.
it would need to be tied in with wc! to make it useful, and it would need to be an auction site, since there are already so many direct buy gallery sites out there to be found.
so we will be starting a poll today - i'm just not quite sure, if this is the correct part of the forum, to draw everybody's opinion in. not everybody reads in this part of the forum...
can i just crosspost something - or add a redirect from the other sections?

timelady
01-19-2004, 11:26 AM
Firstly (moderator cap on) - just post the poll here. Please do not spam other forums with the same poll, it will just get pulled. Saying that, I'm very happy to put in a note in General Business to direct people to the poll here once it's up. Just drop me a PM or email when you start the thread. :)

There are so many different opinions on auction sites. I used to do really well on ebay about 3 years ago when art wasn't such a big category. In fact I pretty much sold 100% of things I'd listed, including relisted items. Now I find it amazing to sell one in ten. Non-art items nearly always sell for me. I'll be curious to here how some of you do over on Amazon.

Don't think WC is really a good place for an auction site. One of the common complaints about eBay is the support. Seeing as how Wetcanvas is staffed by volunteers now they'd probably be snowed under with auction enquiries. :( And as for snipers - why don't you like them Peter? They put in their highest bid just like anyone else. If you're bidding you put in your TOP price. If the sniper's top price is higher they'd win whenever they bid. If people don't like losing out at the last minute they should learn how to proxy-bid properly. There used to be an auction site that extended auctions by 5 mins if there was a bid... can't remember if it was Amazon or one that started with 'Q'?... oooooh, how I hated bidding on that site.

Hey, I just won 35 art magazines today! Wheeee! For £2.99! Heehee. :)

Tina.

jocelynsart
01-19-2004, 11:40 AM
Will hop on over to the Poll.
In answer to emailing prev. buyers. I prefer never to do that becasue I feel the negative effects outweight the pos. ones. I also feel it looks desparate. One buyer that I had answered an email from, late, took it for a solicitation email and she was a little curt to say the least. So, I am very careful in my dealings with prev. buyers. I would really perfer to have constantant new buyers than rely on continual clients. How many pieces of art can one person own? lol I also have alot of outlets that bring business in already. Word of mouth, local display, eBay (sales), and my site (commissions).
I actually am a little too busy to take on a commission but wanted to test the site brought here by the OP. If someone actually bids, then I will do the commission. There are hits but no way to tell if it is site browsers.
Joss

dorith
01-19-2004, 11:51 AM
hi tina,

what we were thinking was more along the lines of having the new auction site be something like a partner site to wc! - so that we would run it with all the technicalities involved, but still have it be a wc! feature.
that would basically relieve the customer service thing on that end all the way.

hi joss,

though i can understand why it wouldn't be of an advantage to be emailing former customers, i do think that word of mouth advertising is the most advantageous for a project like this.
even if each member hands out only 10 businesscards for the new site (and those could even be customized with your artist's name, etc.), it would still create quite a large base of visitors, i think.
and nobody would be required to spam people - for example: we have a place on my website, where customers can sign up for emails and new auction notifications with just a click and an emai address. that way, you have only the ones that want to hear from you AND a customer database of sorts...

jocelynsart
01-19-2004, 12:31 PM
Hi Dorith; No, I totally agree there. I just mean I don't email past bidders regarding my Own auctions and paintings for sale. I don't keep a mailing list. If someone is seriously interested they'll bookmark me or find me again. Definately, I would need to be part of Marketing any Art auction site that was trying to get off the ground and needs exposure and people to know about it. I would just be careful about soliciting Buyers that are dealing with me on eBay. This could be considered spamming. Links on my website would be fine as well as marketing outside of eBay.
I did add 4WC to one of my new listings, something I keep forgetting about it! I have the blurb in my description as well. If a new auction venue does ever arise from here then I figure I should have it there for making the transition. If it ever happens.

jocelynsart
01-20-2004, 07:20 AM
You guys aren't going to believe this. This mornign I had an email notice that I had a bid on my portrait auction on this site. Also, the hits on it are pretty equal to what I have on eBay now. Probably becasue there really is not much to look at yet and everyone is looking lol!
We'll see how this goes. One thing is that everyone is probably going to be 0 FBs right now.
Joss

walden
01-20-2004, 08:04 AM
If Ebay was a department store, the bikinis, the down jackets, and the wedding dresses wouldn't just be in the same area, they would all be hanging on the same rack, and all marked down 75% (or more).

Yeah, I'm bummed on Ebay these days, but I don't see any realistic alternative.

jocelynsart
01-20-2004, 08:19 AM
True. I think the initial novelty for most people has worn off.
No, there really is no other choice if one wants to make use of an online auction site.
Joss

Noble
01-20-2004, 11:39 AM
True. I think the initial novelty for most people has worn off.
No, there really is no other choice if one wants to make use of an online auction site.

Hey Joss, I'm glad and surprised to see you (anyone really) getting activity on a small competing venue to ebay, that's good news!

As far as novelty, I'm not sure that's why prices have been down, somehow I think it is more due to supply relative to demand. Supply has been skyrocketing. It's a little like Amway in the sense that if everyone is a seller, who the hell is left to buy?

surreal
01-20-2004, 03:00 PM
You guys aren't going to believe this. This mornign I had an email notice that I had a bid on my portrait auction on this site. Also, the hits on it are pretty equal to what I have on eBay now. Probably becasue there really is not much to look at yet and everyone is looking lol!
We'll see how this goes. One thing is that everyone is probably going to be 0 FBs right now.
Joss

Wonderful news, Joss!!!
:)

dorith
01-20-2004, 07:24 PM
hi joss - that's good news - hopefully...

peter told me, that they used to buy stuff off of their auctionwebsite themselves, just to make it look like there was something going on there...so it also might be the operator himself buying, just to get traffic up...but whatever or whoever: good for you!

surreal
01-20-2004, 07:29 PM
It seems as though there are only 2 listings for art in the Fine Art category:

the listing for Joss and for Celena.

Perhaps other WC'ers should list work at this site.

Perhaps I will list something.
:)

jocelynsart
01-20-2004, 08:15 PM
Lol Dorith!!!!!!! You know what, I went through a paranoid period a few months ago with all kinds of crap going on with my other sellign ID and a bit on my art ID. So....I am sad to say thoughts like that went through my head!!!!! I figured it was someone maybe fooling around or whatever. Or, at the very least just someone from WC, which would be ok.
Wow, I am not the only lonely little person on there in Art now! Woo hoo!
I really did not expect a bid. Most of my Ebay bidders are last minute.
Noble, yes, you are most likely right. That could be the main reason why I did get a bid on Creativeauction, no competition and someone saw it and wanted it, not distracted by loads of other artwork. But, I do think that in some categories, like rare or collectible items and such, the original bidding frenzy is not as prevalent.
Joss

ptogel
01-20-2004, 09:09 PM
OK, here is Peter again.

We just finalized some deals.

We'll create an auction site (with buy now functionality) that will be just for ART. So there will be just art related sales on that auction site. This way, marketing will be more focused and actually affordable. We already have a big database with customers and galleries, that buy from Conni on a regular base.

We already registered the name and the software is about to be installed. Conni designed a great logo and Iím testing parts of it right now.

The auction software has the ability to handle extreme amounts of traffic due to its database functionality, unlike the slow-running processing speed of a flat-files Perl script that has the tendency to crash when the site grows. As far as I know, creativeauction does not have a relational database backend.

It also allows special pricing for wetcanvas users. This way, we can give discounts on fees for wetcanvas users. To start out, we plan to offer free listings, no buy now fees, no gallery fees and no fees at the end of the auction.

Conni will also start her listings on the new site to safe eBay fees.

Our first hint: the domain name will start with ďart... ď

More to come.

We will let you know as soon as we are online.

Peter :clap:

surreal
01-20-2004, 09:37 PM
OK, here is Peter again.

We just finalized some deals.

We'll create an auction site (with buy now functionality) that will be just for ART. So there will be just art related sales on that auction site. This way, marketing will be more focused and actually affordable. We already have a big database with customers and galleries, that buy from Conni on a regular base.

We already registered the name and the software is about to be installed. Conni designed a great logo and Iím testing parts of it right now.

The auction software has the ability to handle extreme amounts of traffic due to its database functionality, unlike the slow-running processing speed of a flat-files Perl script that has the tendency to crash when the site grows. As far as I know, creativeauction does not have a relational database backend.

It also allows special pricing for wetcanvas users. This way, we can give discounts on fees for wetcanvas users. To start out, we plan to offer free listings, no buy now fees, no gallery fees and no fees at the end of the auction.

Conni will also start her listings on the new site to safe eBay fees.

Our first hint: the domain name will start with ďart... ď

More to come.

We will let you know as soon as we are online.

Peter :clap:
Hi Peter,
I wish you a great deal of success in your new endeavor!
:clap: :clap: :clap:

jocelynsart
01-21-2004, 06:46 AM
Wow, that was very fast. I was imagining it would take about a yr to get everything worked out!
Joss

jolie
01-21-2004, 08:04 AM
I'm amazed at quickly you've gotten rolling on this too. great going! someone mentioned juried in an earlier post and i would like to bring it up again. could selling on the site either be juried or have some other way of controlling quality to avoid the junk 1 cent listings ebay gets?

jolie


OK, here is Peter again.

We just finalized some deals.

We'll create an auction site (with buy now functionality) that will be just for ART. So there will be just art related sales on that auction site. This way, marketing will be more focused and actually affordable. We already have a big database with customers and galleries, that buy from Conni on a regular base.

We already registered the name and the software is about to be installed. Conni designed a great logo and Iím testing parts of it right now.

The auction software has the ability to handle extreme amounts of traffic due to its database functionality, unlike the slow-running processing speed of a flat-files Perl script that has the tendency to crash when the site grows. As far as I know, creativeauction does not have a relational database backend.

It also allows special pricing for wetcanvas users. This way, we can give discounts on fees for wetcanvas users. To start out, we plan to offer free listings, no buy now fees, no gallery fees and no fees at the end of the auction.

Conni will also start her listings on the new site to safe eBay fees.

Our first hint: the domain name will start with ďart... ď

More to come.

We will let you know as soon as we are online.

Peter :clap:

dorith
01-21-2004, 10:07 AM
hi jolie,

yes, IF and WHEN peter moves, he moves rather fast :p :p :p


we seem to be getting kind of off the topic of this thread...i'm opening a new one, so we can continue talking about our plans...

c u there.

Salairawns
01-21-2004, 10:17 AM
Yeah, I thought I could give it a try, being a free listing and all; easy to paste in a previously typed auction. I probably shouldn't haven chosen a bird though. They don't seem to do well on ebay unless they're cute and folksy or really abstract. I may list a floral later to see if anything happens. Even if they don't sell, it's free advertising from the ones who do look.
The auction site itself is pretty dead, and it doesn't come up in search engines. No high expectations.

Congrats, Joss :) I hope it's a good follow through for you.

dorith
01-21-2004, 11:28 AM
hi jolie,

yes, IF and WHEN peter moves, he moves rather fast :p :p :p


we seem to be getting kind of off the topic of this thread...i'm opening a new one, so we can continue talking about our plans...

c u there.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=161546

maverick
01-22-2004, 12:16 AM
I decided to join creativeauction.com just for fun. I entered your ID as the one who referred me Jocelyn. I was a bit alarmed that my password came in an email from an AOL account. I hope they honor their privacy policy. I don't need any more spam, junk mail, or telemarketing calls.

jocelynsart
01-22-2004, 07:39 AM
Hi Mav: well, that is cool! I hope that you 2 have some results from there. By the sounds of the search engine lack it does look dismal. It takes awhile to get listed in a search engine of any magnitude but if one pays large fees it is faster. The free submission way is a long wait if ever. Maybe they did it the free way. I am very very surprised to have gotten a bid. I listed on Yahoo, the same type of auction, years ago, and received only one bid in the 5 times I listed.
Joss

Salairawns
01-29-2004, 07:15 PM
For those of you trying out creativeauctions, have you had any more success?
I noticed they offer free stores now, and list their membership at over 600, but they must all be sellers, :rolleyes: . Anyone advertising themselves at multiple auction sites?

maverick
01-29-2004, 08:08 PM
My account doesn't work anymore. I think they removed it after we had a few email exchanges. It's a long story, but a misunderstanding. They didn't get my hypothetical reasoning. One of my points was, that if I felt so frustrated that I thought about closing my account, then there would be others. Some of their unprofessional practices led me to believe they were just some guys working out of their basement and could use some advice. I wouldn't have wasted my time complaining if I didn't want to help them, I would have just gone away. I suppose on the up side, they are very responsive to cancellation requests! :D

jocelynsart
01-29-2004, 10:36 PM
Well, it seems pretty dead there still. My portrait did end with the bid. I did hear from the bidder. However, I have not heard back now, since replying. But, generally, these commission type auctions I don't expect the bidder to move too fast. He needs time to organize his reference images.
I doubt I will list on there again for awhile, if this does end up a positive experience. I don't list portraits very often and so far hits on the other paintign I put up to try are minimal.
Mav, I guess it is a one man show pretty well now and maybe not a well developed business. Only time will tell.
Joss