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LarrySeiler
11-04-2000, 09:56 AM
I just wanted to invite a few of you here whom have had particular interest in color, the right colors, and color mixing to check out the thread "And the next one- cockatoo" on the Animal/wildlife forum.

Bev has asked me a series of questions on color mixing, and I explained some complications of getting the right complimentary that may be worth your reading. It certainly is taxing to try and explain it a number of different times on other threads...so, it will help me too!
This will take you there- http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/Forum20/HTML/000022.html

Larry

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CarlyHardy
11-05-2000, 10:29 PM
Thanks, Larry! I'm heading over there right now to check it out!
carly

Dennis
11-07-2000, 12:33 AM
I also think this would be a good lesson topic. I use a 6 color primary system as I think you do. Once I switched from a basic 3 system the mud went away. The concept is very simple, but just like an unknown language until someone explains it to you. Dennis

Grace
11-07-2000, 09:54 PM
System-someone has a system? I know about mixing 3 colors and I have already made some of that mud. Could you elaborate on a six color system or point me to a reference on it? I read Larry's color notes and it made sense to me - well most of it anyway.

Grace

Grace
11-08-2000, 09:14 PM
Dennis you are amazing! Thanks for taking the time to give me a clue. I've saved it for future reference!

If I read this right The jist of your explanation is "stay within the lines...the lines are our friends"

Oh boy! I've always hated to take that advice...LOL But in this case I'm going to give it a try! This watercolor brand you use....I don't think I have seen it for sale around here...but until recently I haven't even looked at Art supplies. How does it compare to others you have used?

And while I'm picking your brain...I just posted a sketch (I spent to much time on it to call it that) over in the compostion and design forum. If you got time how about looking at it and commenting.

Thanks, Grace

Dennis
11-08-2000, 10:29 PM
Grace, yup, stay within the lines. Actually I am hoping that Larry will come in and do a proper job of explaining the 6 primary system.

I started using Maimeriblu watercolors on the advice of a watercolor artist I have great respect for. I have done some testing against winsor newton paints and believe that the Maimari colors are less grainy and more transparent. Just a personal opinion, but I love them.

I bounced over to the comp & design forum to see your drawing. I liked it and thought you achieved your goal of contrasting the lonly island with the vast sea. I probably am the last person to ask a design question of though as I have no formal training in this area.
Regards, Dennis

Dennis
11-09-2000, 12:50 AM
Grace, I found the 6 color system on an artist’s web site. I have tried to re-find it, but cannot. Please do not think that the following is my idea. I am only outlining my understanding of the system as presented by the artist mentioned above.

Assume a color wheel with 12 positions – like a clock. At 12 o’clock there are two reds – on the blue side is PV19 on the yellow side is PR254. At 4 o’clock are two yellows – on the red side is PY97 on the blue side is PY175. At 8 o’clock are two blues – on the yellow side is PB15:3 on the red side is PB29. The object is to create the in-between colors with the colors bracketing them. For example to create green use PY175 and PB15:3. The theory, as I understand it, is that there are no pure primary colors available in paint tubes. Therefore one needs to create green, for example, with a yellow and a blue that "leans" to green. Using PB29 and PY97 to make green (according to this theory) would produce an unpleasent green.

Please understand that I am an amateur. I profess no formal training in the area of color mixing. If someone here at wetcanvas can explain this system, please have at it. I used Maimeriblu watercolors for the chart as those are the paints I regularly use. Hope this helps, Dennis

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LarrySeiler
11-09-2000, 02:00 AM
Dennis.....

I haven't actually seen the colorwheel laid out this way, because in "theory" I just use the three primary color colorwheel. However, in reality the way you have it illustrated here, I would say is accurate to how I mix color. When I say red, yellow, and blue... each represents there must be a warm and a cool version.

There are those that argue for a five primary color colorwheel, but I hold to the tradition that a primary color is that which cannot by mixing two colors be made. Thus, only yellow, red, and blue would be primaries.

One could say a warm red..is a "true" red with a bit of yellow added. A cool red a "true" red with a bit of blue added. The problem is...finding that "true" red, right? So..in essence, I find mixing any color I want easier simply thinking of each primary having a warm and cool personality.

The drama I seek in my paintings comes from reducing color theory to warm versus cool color temperatures. Others concern themselves with what a color mixed with another produces...on the other hand, I'm out there painting thinking all the time, "I need to warm this up, cool that down"

Interesting to see it laid out Dennis...might be fun to see your graphic posted on the "Color" mixing forum, and watch the ensuing comments follow.

Larry


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Neal Glover
11-09-2000, 11:35 AM
Nita Leland has an article "Split-Primary Color Mixing" on her site ( http://www.nitaleland.com ) that discusses this. Don't know if this might have been the site Dennis remembered or not...

Neal