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gwacie
12-28-2003, 08:56 PM
I decided to try some off mandrel sculpture. Never had a class in it (some day...it's a dream). OMG is this interesting. It's a whole different way to work and control the glass, at least for me. I do on mandrel sculptural stuff a lot and it's much easier.....

I'll post the results but warning - these are scary little critters so don't look if you have a weak heart!

The mad composer - first one I tried and probably the best one I made but he broke :(. He's just a bit over three inches tall:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Dec-2003/11045-OMhunchback23.jpg
Here, I'll stand him up:
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Dec-2003/11045-OMhunchback.jpg


Next, scary clown, 3.5inches of pure hideousness!
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Dec-2003/11045-OMscaryclown.jpg

and finally, mermaid without a face - she's 5 inches long and came out a bit too lumpy and overly endowed! http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Dec-2003/11045-OMmermaid.jpg

These guys took me way longer to make than I care to admit! Thanks to Lenda for the jumpstart. I'll try again next session and try for something recognizable and attractive - lol.

Anyone else have off mandrel work to share?

Linnea
12-28-2003, 09:44 PM
hey those are great compared to mine :D and the second picture really cracked me up :p

gwacie
12-28-2003, 10:19 PM
Hi Linnea - yea scary clown cracks me up too - they all do. But it was fun and challanging and I only burnt myself a little (heh), so I think I'll try again. The heads always start out looking great but by the time the bodies are done, well, not so good. Maybe I should start at the other end!

Post pics of your trials if you have them. I'd love to compare notes.

My guys are heading for the trash heap. I think I'll hum taps.....

Linnea
12-28-2003, 10:27 PM
no trials that make it past the water bath :D I really want to make a goddess next time I won't baptize it and post a picture.

Lenda
12-28-2003, 11:26 PM
Well actually Bethany, these aren't bad at all, and are HUGE for your first attempts! I think you deserve a hand for all that work!:clap:

Would it be easier since you're just starting to maybe work a little smaller, that way you won't have so much to keep warm and can work on details a little easier? Just a suggestion, but the firsties are really good. Congratulations!:D

gwacie
12-28-2003, 11:38 PM
Linnea, looking forward to your goddess. I'll try one too and we can laugh together (or maybe we will be impressive!)

Lenda, thanks for the input. I actually started with the mad composer just his head and was going to stop there but something about him made me add a body. He cracked on the way into the kiln so then I was too intent in making one that didn't crack to think about making one smaller (duh). You were right about them popping off the punte now and again. The first couple of times that happened I nearly jumped out of my skin trying to quickly find hemostats and getting my boro punte end hot in a hurry. Once one of them came shooting off towards me with no warning so I let it hit the floor. That was the mermaid tail which I had to readhere. What a trip. Beads are no where near this frightening!

Thanks again for your input. :-)

Booger
12-28-2003, 11:50 PM
DON'T YOU DARE TOSS THEM AWAY!!!!!!!!!! Arghhhhhhhh, don't please don't destroy. You must, you must, you must keep them for always and comparison. And if you really can't do that? Stick them in the mail to me - I happen to love them. Especially the clown. (All clowns are frightful - could never figure out why they send them at kids......)Maybe I should dress as a gargoyle and do kids birthdays?

Off the stick is a whole new ball of glass and I am impressed of the sizing. Showing great potential and there is nothing like a good scare to keep you young.......Just Ask Jim! Don't stop and DON'T YOU THROW THEM AWAY!

Bossy Booger Who's Marketing Needs Work,
Sheryll

lorwolff
12-29-2003, 12:47 AM
Oh Bethany,
I think fallen clowns must be one of the saddest beings in glassland.
I have a fellah here who started as a 'vessel-gone-wrong', then an attempt at a clown head. (miracle of miracles, the head fits the body, sort of.)
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Dec-2003/21905-clown1.jpg

then the head
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Dec-2003/21905-clown2.jpg

Then Ta-Da
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/28-Dec-2003/21905-clown3.jpg

lorwolff
12-29-2003, 12:49 AM
Oops..., Oink, Oink, Oink
:(

Shari T.
12-29-2003, 01:30 AM
Well actually Bethany, these aren't bad at all, and are HUGE for your first attempts! I think you deserve a hand for all that work!

I second and third that!

AlexM
12-29-2003, 01:33 AM
OMG! Bethany! Those are GREAT for first tries.

Lorwolf, the head is great!

Keep at it, both of you!

rightbrainbeads
12-29-2003, 07:25 AM
Oh Bethany.... thank you, thank you... I can so relate to that little broken guy and the faceless mermaid, that I broke out in a fit of giggles :D :D !! Lordy, how many of my beads have broken like that, and how many times have I started on something like a face, only to think it needs a body, and then two hours later wondered what the h*ll came over me to make me think that I could do it!!!!

The thing is, they really are good!! No kidding!!!

My hat is totally off to you! Way to go!

lynne
:)

Loraine, I forgot to tell you that I love your clown! Wow, he's wonderful and goes with the body perfectly!!

midniteburner
12-29-2003, 09:48 PM
Both of you have done great for your first attempts!!!

Pat yourselves on the back. You deserve it.

Sara

gwacie
12-29-2003, 10:17 PM
Hi again - using the hineycon cuz this morning's efforts were (albeit unrecognizable in large part) the human form (yea nekkid) so don't want to offend any delicate sensibilities.

Sheryll, don't worry my friend, I won't actually throw the little beasties out. Into the wonkie jar they will go. Only you could see them as valuable, but I thank ya kindly jest the same....

Sara, Lorraine, Alex, Lynne, Shari, thanks for the feedback and please add your own pics and more feedback if you are so inclined.

Lorraine - that little clown of yours - the head is an on mandrel bead, right? And the base, was that a blown vessel at the end of a blowing mandrel (hollow tube) or was it built some other way?

So far there have been no mandrels at all on my experiments, which is what makes them so tough. I challenge you guys to try it!

Ok, today's mess is somewhat more controlled than yesterday. Working monochromatic-ally helps a ton, so I recommend that to anyone starting out like I am. Female is 2.75" and male is 3.5" long. Proportions are all off but I'm feeling a bit more in control of the glass.

Linnea, where is your goddess?????


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Dec-2003/11045-OMbodies.jpg

Kalera
12-30-2003, 05:17 AM
OK, I'm not gonna point any fingers, but A COUPLE of those sculptures have me shrieking and running far, far away.

Hint: I am afraid of clowns.

rightbrainbeads
12-30-2003, 06:14 AM
Originally posted by gwacie
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Dec-2003/11045-OMbodies.jpg

OMG!!! I love them!!!

So what are you using for a punty and what kind of torch do you have? Where did you attach the punty? I have to try this.

I love doing torsos but mine have always been on a mandrel... here's one of the last ones... she looks downright chunky compared to yours :rolleyes: .

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Dec-2003/10185-torso.jpg

lynne

gwacie
12-30-2003, 08:44 AM
Hey Kalara, sorry I scared you- scared myself too!

Lynne - the way I have started (based on advice from our Lenda) is that I melt a large blob of color on the end of a rod, let it firm up a bit and start working it. Then when either it pops off the rod or I need to move it, I attach a boro punte somewhere that I am not working (back side, feet, head) and then keep working. You have to keep flashing the piece if you are working all of it or it will crack, and it will pop off the punte now and then so you have to be ready to pick it up, keep it hot, and re-attach it.

I make 'on' mandrel goddess bodies all the time and they usually (except for my early attempts which were too perky) look very realistic. Off mandrel is a bit tougher. Give it a try so we can compare notes!

Oh yea, torch is just a bobcat with 2 concentrators. I will want a larger one next year though for larger pieces - this is way too much fun!

lorwolff
12-30-2003, 08:12 PM
Kalera...,
So sorry to frighten you.
The lil guy gives me the heebie-jeebies too.
Loraine

rightbrainbeads
12-31-2003, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by gwacie
I make 'on' mandrel goddess bodies all the time and they usually (except for my early attempts which were too perky) look very realistic.

I can imagine that off mandrel is *a lot* more challenging... I'm gonna give it a try.

As to the perky, my DH thought all of my early torsos looked like they'd had breast implants :rolleyes: .

lynne
:)

Lenda
01-01-2004, 10:19 AM
Great job on the torso's Bethany! Isn't ivory wonderful to work with? Very little heat required to push and pull, lot's of fun! You might want to tea stain those torso's to bring out even MORE definition!

Fantastic! :clap:

(Lenda is also afraid of clowns! But good job Lorraine, next time pick something different!);)