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majestaero
12-22-2003, 10:56 PM
Well, I'm previously a lurker, but I'm finally going to post a WIP thanks to some encouragement from Sue! I was so excited to find out there are other oil pastelists in the world! I've been using them forever (can't handle the dust of soft pastels, though I've started dabbling again) in my own little world! Of course now that I've learned there are other brands, I'm going to have to be doing some cross-border shopping, when the finances allow!

Sorry these initial pictures are so poor -- I was lazy when I took them! Just done at night with the digital camera and poor artificial light! Promise the next ones will be better. Being the first time I've posted something, I'm sure I have stuff to learn, too!

I'm doing this from a photo I took at Rolex (3-day Kentucky Event) a few years ago. It's on Canson Mi-Tientes (around 11 x 14), which I've worked on pretty exclusively for the past several years. My OPs are pretty outdated, I now realise! Talens Panda have been my favourites, and I still have a number of my original Grumbachers! I've recently discovered the artist-grade Holbeins, and have a few of those. Love their texture, not really happy yet with the colours, but they're growing on me. Now I'm dying to try the Senneliers and Caran d'Ache!

The first (bad) pic is the drawing, plus I've hinted at some colour with coloured pencil. I've just in the last year started experimenting with the CPs to get detail, and more recently to get the colour started a bit.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/22-Dec-2003/18702-Rolexwater1.jpg

I started this a few weeks ago, and then it sat on my drawing table...so I'm also using this as inspiration to get it DONE! Been there long enough! I think there will be a background, but so far I'm stalling on it!

Linda

SLYeagin
12-23-2003, 01:10 AM
Hi Linda,
Looks like you are off to a good start. I envy anyone who can draw, mine just kind of evolve.....lol
Looking forward to seeing more.
Sandy

majestaero
12-23-2003, 01:12 AM
Well, my browser decided to "unexpectedly quit" before I got this posted the first time! I can't remember if I took this pic after one session or two, but it did progress rather quickly. Don't know why I abandoned it --ADD, I guess! There is a fair bit of coloured pencil in the rider for the detail, especially his vest.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Dec-2003/18702-Rolexwater2.jpg

Dyin
12-23-2003, 09:38 AM
gorgeous!!!!! So happy you came out to play!!!! The colors are beautiful and this will be a great piece. And you really have the horse's musculature down!
Someone was asking about those Pandas...can you tell us a little about them???
Think most people missed your post on the Oil Pastel info thread but am so glad I happened across it!!! So welcome to the Pastel forum and your work will be a great addition here!!!

ArtsiePhartsie
12-23-2003, 10:38 AM
That is just beautiful.....the muscle structure is perfect. I'm in awe...I'd love to be able to draw like that!!!!!

~Artsie

eileenclaire
12-23-2003, 10:53 AM
Ooh, this is great! I love to see WIP's , especially with oil pastels. Glad you're sharing this with us. When you put down the colored pencil, do you leave it like that, or blend it with the OP's?

bnoonan
12-23-2003, 11:04 AM
Linda this is beautiful!!!

You folks with your OP's never cease to amaze me in the detail and molded aspect you can achieve in everything. Every muscle group on that horses hind is visible and captured in so many planes of color and light/darks.

Lovely job - get back to work on it and continue posting.

We'd love to see more!

I do believe this forum is growing in leaps and bounds!!!

Barb

majestaero
12-23-2003, 04:19 PM
Sandy, Sue, Eileen, Barb, Artsie -- thanks! For the welcome, and the encouragement! Thanks again, Sue for digging me up! :D

Now that I've done a bit more research, I've found out that Panda is Talens' student brand of OPs -- Van Gogh is their artists' quality. I've always found the quality to be exceptional, the colours are great, something the Holbeins haven't been able to match so far! The Pandas are fairly hard by comparison, but I don't find them waxy at all. They do require a bit of effort to move around, especially once they've dried a bit, so blending with them is best done shortly after they've gone down on the paper! In contrast, the Holbeins are like butter, much closer to soft pastels. The first Holbeins I tried, years ago, I assume were student grade, and they were very hard, waxy, the consistency was poor, and the colours disappointing! I find, now that I have a few of the better Holbeins, that laying some of the Panda colour down first helps out what I find lacking in the Holbein colour!

Barb -- that's what I love about OPs, it's as close as I may get to sculpting!

Babble, babble....! I did a very tiny bit of work on it last night (see, already inspired!) and it was a good excuse to take a better picture! Of course it's grey and rainy today, but a bit of Photoshop help and it looks okay. So now you can see what it *really* looks like! (Well, close enough!)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/23-Dec-2003/18702-Rolexwater3

I've started in on the neck using the Pandas -- because they're hard I can do finer strokes with them as well...the Panda raw sienna is my best friend...at least for a bay horse like this!


Eileen -- the CP at the very beginning I just completely cover with the OP, but the work I did on the rider's vest did involve some blending of CP and OP. I'll often do that in the latter stages, using the CP to add detail and blend the OP at the same time. When I do stuff on spec I like to leave it more "chunky" and unblended -- for commissions, so far, I haven't had the guts to leave it that way for fear that the client won't like it! Fact is, they probably wouldn't even notice!

See, get me on here, and now I won't shut up! :p

Okay, I'll shut up now!!

Linda

sundiver
12-23-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by majestaero
Of course now that I've learned there are other brands, I'm going to have to be doing some cross-border shopping, when the finances allow!Linda

Aboveground in Toronto has Senelliers. It also has Cray-Pas Specialists, which I'm told are artist-quality, though I haven't tried them myself.
http://www.abovegroundartsupplies.com/cgi-bin/AboveGround.storefront

majestaero
12-23-2003, 11:59 PM
Thanks for posting the website -- I'll have to check them out.

I have tried the Cray-Pas Specialist, but have only used one of them to any extent. It was okay, a bit waxy, seemed to disappear in a hurry! Picked up a couple of the lower grade Expressionist because there were some colours I was looking for, but I haven't done much with them yet. The Pandas and Holbeins go a lot farther than the Specialist I tried, but it's not really fair to judge them on just one colour, I guess!

Linda

eileenclaire
12-24-2003, 09:59 AM
I thought the Specialists were artist quality also, but saw that Dickblick had them listed as student grade on their website. So I emailed Dickblick to ask about them, and here is the reply I received:

While we agree that they are a professional grade, we consider
them to be a low end professional grade. We make this opinion based on the
quality of the product. That is, its lighfastness, performance, and pigment brilliancy.
Overall, it can often be a matter of an opinion, but in our experience with them,
they are not a top quality professional grade oil pastel.
Regards,
Kristal Frisque
Product Information Team

Dark_Shades
12-24-2003, 11:29 AM
Wonderful work there Linda...... and welcome to the forum

majestaero
12-24-2003, 11:59 AM
Thanks Dark Shades...I've been silently admiring everyone else's work for a while, yours among them!

Eileen -- that info from Dick Blick seems to back up my feeling on the Specialists, though as I said I didn't know if it was fair to judge on just one. Funny how, on the other hand, the Pandas are considered student grade but I find the colours to be great, and I've never noticed any problems with them fading in the time I've been using them. I'm not set up to do any accelerated testing on them, haha...besides, my degree is in Food Science...what would that be, art chemistry? :p I'm going to have a look at the Van Gogh's though -- I know a place close by that sells them. I'm hoping they'll have the same colour brilliance of the Pandas.

Okay, I did just a little bit more on this last night in front of the television. Then I broke away from it because I signed up for my first 'project' and thought I'd better get going on that!:D Something without a horse, oh no, whatever will I do?;)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/24-Dec-2003/18702-RolexWDet2.jpg

Dyin
12-24-2003, 12:20 PM
Linda, it's coming along great and I see you are finding yourself right at home here....fun to watch!

Vegas Art Guy
12-24-2003, 12:34 PM
Great job on the horse and rider. I have a set of Van Gogh's at home, and I really like them. They blend well, they're smooooth and overall they pretty much rock. Keep posting the updates!

Greg
PS What kind of colored pencils are you using?

majestaero
12-24-2003, 04:46 PM
Well, I've had a bit of Forum practice Sue, haha -- we have one for the Equine Art Guild. It's pretty small compared to WC though! But a great group. I know there are other EAGers in WC!

Thanks, Greg! My CPs are sort of like my OPs -- I mix collected over the years! I still have some of those Laurentian ones, inherited a bunch of Faber-Castell Polychromos from a friend, and have more recently supplemented my collection with some Derwent Signature and a few Prismacolours. I've got a CP piece just about finished, and all I can say is it really, really makes me appreciate my OPs that much more!!!! CP is soooooo much *work*!

majestaero
12-27-2003, 10:21 PM
Okay, a little more...I'm not sure I'm happy with where I progressed with the neck from the last pic I posted. The head I got into some CP and it's too flat right now, so I'll have to put some life back into that! Drew in the actual jump a bit better...they're actually coming out of the water, so I'll get to play with some spray eventually. Input always welcome!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Dec-2003/18702-Rolexwater.jpg

Went to this new store today because they were advertising a Boxing Day sale and had Holbeins on their website...how could I not go, at 20% off?? Get to the store and none of the artists' quality ones are to be found, just the student grade....whine!!!:mad: Very disappointing. Naturally I didn't leave empty-handed...they had the Mi-Tientes on sale for half what I usually pay, and had to pick up a few canvases, one can never have too many of those...:rolleyes: (I do oils too).

Dyin
12-27-2003, 10:36 PM
hey, how about some close ups so we can see some details???:evil: :D love how you say 'play' with water...can't wait to see!!!
bummer you couldn't get the Holbeins on sale:mad: but at least you didn't come away empty handed...
I forget...what size is this???

majestaero
12-28-2003, 03:42 PM
It's about 11 x 14...had to go check myself!

I need good light to have any hope of getting a decent detail shot, so I'll work on that! The digital camera I use isn't the greatest, and I'm too lazy to scan at the moment -- scanner's not hooked up to the computer, and no room on my desk for it at the moment!

Dyin
12-28-2003, 06:45 PM
Sometimes I'm amazed at what details we get in such small space...wouldn't it be lovely to have the room, materials, money etc to work nice and big????
btw...if you still have the original pic or scan of the last one you did, you can crop and blow up areas from that one for closeups...not good on a small jpeg file tho...

Mo.
12-28-2003, 07:57 PM
Hi Linda, and a belated welcome to you, this work of yours is amazing, the detail and colours are wonderful.

I was interested to read about the specialists pastels, as I was tempted to try them, but think I'll stick to my Caran D'ache, but those Van Gogh's sound good, I wonder if they are available in the U.k.? You guys are spoilt for choice over there.

So looking forward to seeing more from you.

Mo.:)

meowmeow
12-29-2003, 07:09 AM
Wow! This is beautiful....and it's fun following along as you progress. What a fabulous job you are doing!


Sandy

majestaero
12-30-2003, 08:38 PM
Thanks Sandy and Mo! I thought I knew where I could get the Van Goghs, but they just had the oil paint. Same store that had the Holbeins on their website, but not at their store! Good news though -- I decided to order some from them online, and they still gave the 20% discount! Hmm, if I'd known that, I may have bought more! Now of course I'm lusting after the full set, all the pretty colours, envying Sue!! I especially like the wooden box! I have an old plastic toolbox, myself!

Mo, the Van Goghs are made by Talens who I believe are based in Holland, so you'd think you'd be able to get them more easily than those of us in NA. They have a website -- can't remember what it is, I just did a google search and found them that way.

I've found it's tough to go big with OPs, personally, Sue! Can't go too small (smallest portrait I pulled off was 8 x 10") and big it gets really tough to move them around. Oils, on the other hand, are *much* easier BIG!! I did one 3 x 4' once...that was fun!!

I had an update pic earlier today, but have since worked on it a bit more, so I'll post that instead (even though the light was a bit poor). Started a background, which I'm nervous about -- hate them!!!! Hoping I haven't made a big mistake...:( So far just kind of loosely blocking stuff in, though I don't intend to get into a lot of detail with it. Once I have it blocked in I'll finish off the horse and rider and punch up the contrast (she says hopefully! :rolleyes: )

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Dec-2003/18702-Rolex4x.jpg

I have one detail pic for you Sue, but I haven't yet been able to upload two images in succession, so I'm going to post this one first, for fear of losing the post altogether!!

majestaero
12-30-2003, 08:47 PM
Sorry that last pic is so nasty...thought I'd fixed it up in Photoshop but still doesn't look too good! Well, here's that detail pic...somehow I ended up with a high res pic off the camera (I think it has a mind of its own sometimes!!) so hopefully it's not too bad....

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/30-Dec-2003/18702-Rolexdet4x.jpg

Dyin
12-30-2003, 09:15 PM
wow...what nice clean strokes you use!!! That's why i like detail pics...thanks for going to all that trouble...oh geez...that background looks great so far! The people look so natural and so does the landscaping...I'm really awed by the detail you are getting on this...nice strong work...am SO glad you started posting...and you work slow like I do lol!!!
btw...if you x out the uploader and then hit the upload button again you can copy and paste right below the first link...voila...as many pics as you want on a post!!!!

majestaero
12-30-2003, 10:09 PM
It doesn't seem to be a forum issue (my trouble uploading two pics in one post) -- it's a computer one! I'm running OSX (Mac) and it just gets a little snippity when I try it! The one time it shut down my browser on me, so I lost my whole post!:crying: Hate it when that happens!

Yeah, I can only do a bit then I have to walk away, it seems...it can become very much like work! I think that's why I go back and forth between oils and OPs, and why at any given time I have several pieces on the go!! At one point I had several media covered -- OP, oil, pencil, CP, pen and ink, and, wonder of wonders, a *soft* pastel! My problem is actually making myself finish something!!:rolleyes:

Dyin
12-30-2003, 10:33 PM
lol...the only thing that saves me from your fate is I don't have the room to get a bunch going lol!!! How cum you don't have your website for a signature???? :evil: :D

majestaero
01-01-2004, 12:40 PM
Well, now the background is driving me crazy. Did I mention I hate backgrounds?:mad: Ah well...practice, I know!!

I need to just lock myself to the table and work on it for a few hours straight -- this here and there business isn't hacking it! So that's my plan for the afternoon -- the pencil work I have to do will need to wait till tonight!

Here's the progress work (at one of those I HATE IT! stages!!!). I can't do a believable tree to save my life!!!

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2004/18702-RolexwatWC4.JPG

I will develop a URL with my sig Sue...just as soon as the website is a little more complete!

bnoonan
01-01-2004, 01:23 PM
I think you are being far too hard on yourself. this piece is glowing!!! The focal point is definitely the horse and you've allowed us to see that right away! Forget about that tree - it's in the background exactly as it should be.

Love the spectators peeking around the corner. It give such great energy and anticipation to the piece.

it's bee a treat to watch this progress.

More... more... Barb

Dyin
01-01-2004, 01:30 PM
I think the background is a perfect foil for the subject...it ain't about the tree!!! I think the positioning behind the rider is just exactly right and I love all the people you've put in...some of us sweat for weeks doing one person and you've gone and put in a crowd! And they all look natural...boy, the horse just glows against that green.....nice!!!

Mo.
01-01-2004, 08:08 PM
This is becoming a stunning piece of work, the background is perfect, I'm so enjoying watching it develop, know so well what you mean by the "I hate it" stage. But keep going with this masterpiece.

Mo.:)

E-J
01-02-2004, 08:49 PM
Linda, you're clearly very skilled with your oil pastels! Welcome to the forum and I look forward to seeing your progress with this one. I tried Panda op's once but didn't enjoy them - they didn't seem creamy enough. Sue has got all of us here adding Holbeins to our wishlist :)

k9artist
01-02-2004, 10:13 PM
WoW..This is very nice indeed!! I too hate doing BG's..you do like I do..the important stuff first..then the bg. Looks great!! the crowd looks very believable too!! I have never tried Op's..maybe someday!

majestaero
01-03-2004, 01:43 AM
Thanks for the encouragement, everyone! I'm going to wait till morning to post the next progress pic rather than subject you all to another poor one!:p

Backgrounds, the bane of the animal portrait artist, eh K9?:D Glad to know I'm in good company!:) We had a discussion on the EAG forum once about doing the background *first* and getting to the horse being the reward! I manage that with oils, at least!

E-J...I'm getting used to the Holbeins, and they're finding their place, but I can't imagine doing without the Pandas. They are very hard by comparison, like Rembrandts to Schmincke in soft pastels, kind of. I hope the store I bought the Pandas from still carries them -- been a few years since I've been there. I'm down to a few tiny pieces of a couple of the vital colours! Of course seeing Mo's WIPs, I want to try the Senneliers and Caran D'Ache too!:rolleyes:

Thanks again, all...I'll be happier once I've got the paper covered and can start doing the tweaking to try to get things "right!"

Linda

Artaholic
01-03-2004, 02:00 AM
Linda,what can be added that has not already been said?? Beautiful work.

:clap: :clap:

Gerry

majestaero
01-03-2004, 12:07 PM
Thanks, Gerry!

Here's a daytime pic, as promised:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/03-Jan-2004/18702-Rolexwat03.JPG

I want to get this finished this weekend -- it's been around long enough!

Oops, I see I've cut off the pic a bit at the bottom -- sorry!

Linda

majestaero
01-03-2004, 12:11 PM
Sorry, guess I jumped the gun a bit there -- pic isn't cut off! I don't think I got enough sleep last night!!!:p

Dyin
01-03-2004, 12:57 PM
lol....that horse is just popping against the background...I think your trees are great and can see you have red in them...this would make great cover art... hint, hint...

eileenclaire
01-03-2004, 02:28 PM
It's beautiful Linda. Would never know you have trouble with backgrounds, you make it look effortless.

majestaero
01-08-2004, 09:49 PM
Okay, made my way back! :D Seemed every time I tried to get on the site the server was busy or it was down again! You'd think I'd have finished this piece in the meantime, but no....oh well.

I've done more since I took this pic -- it really is getting pretty close to the final stages, yay!! I didn't want to subject you all to another bad night-time pic again, so this will have to do in the meantime.

Good to be back! Have to get caught up! :p

Linda

Dyin
01-08-2004, 10:11 PM
woohoo! It's almost there...geez, this is so great...feel like I'm on the horse jumping...way cool! Geez...how bout more closeups when you're takin that daylite pic???? :evil: :D

majestaero
01-08-2004, 10:20 PM
woohoo! It's almost there...geez, this is so great...feel like I'm on the horse jumping...way cool! Geez...how bout more closeups when you're takin that daylite pic???? :evil: :D

I'll have to show you the pic I took right before this one, Sue. Here the horse in jumping out of the water...when he jumped in, the rider came off, and I got him more or less diving into the water, pretty funny...

I've even checked out what it looks like greyscale, hehe... :p Come to think of it, I have b&w film in the camera... :)

Dyin
01-08-2004, 11:03 PM
lol...gotta see it! :eek:

Madder
01-09-2004, 06:39 AM
The colors in the horse are stunning! They have coherence and sculpt the horses body really well.
Can you manage to work when tv is on? I can't do anything in the evenings, i totally can't judge color. How many colors do you have in the oilpastels.?
Glad you joined the forum!
Madder

majestaero
01-09-2004, 11:58 AM
The colors in the horse are stunning! They have coherence and sculpt the horses body really well.
Can you manage to work when tv is on? I can't do anything in the evenings, i totally can't judge color. How many colors do you have in the oilpastels.?
Glad you joined the forum!
Madder

Hi Madder -- thanks! I can draw or do a more simple piece like a portrait in front of the TV, but something like this I tend to need my drawing table. Most of the time I've got music on, though! I have kind of lousy lighting, too -- really need to get one of those good lights!

How many colours do I have? Well, I only have about seven of the 225 Holbeins, right Sue? :D Other than that, I have a duplicate old set of Grumbachers (48) and a handful of the Pandas (mostly browns and yellows), and a few Cray-Pas. The browns and greens are the most important for me, at least with this piece! There are probably about ten different browns/yellows in the horse, supplemented by indigo and blue violet to punch out the darks, a bit of white for some of the highlights. Probably about half a dozen greens and I've used some greys to tone down the background greens along with some reds. The Grumbachers at the moment are providing the less-used colours for me -- like the ones I've been using for the crowd! Flesh tones and blues, etc.

I'd better go take those update photos!

Linda

Dyin
01-09-2004, 12:34 PM
Right Linda! I think the Holbeins are a bit shy on the browns and yellow ochres, and really, the Neopastels on the brown. I have to do a lot of blending sometimes to get what I want. Do you lay down your Indigo and then blend over with the brown, or vice versa or do you just partially lay one over the other...do tell! I blend blue and burnt umber a lot.

Kathryn Wilson
01-09-2004, 12:45 PM
My, Linda, I have been watching your WIP with great interest. Very, very nice painting! What is amazing is what you achieved with so few OP's.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

majestaero
01-09-2004, 06:19 PM
Thanks, Kat! And I thought I had lots of pastels till I realised Holbein had 225! But I kind of think a lot of them are unnecessary (though I wouldn't turn them down if someone gave me a set!!:D ). I do "mix" a lot, esp with the Panda raw sienna, and white. For the darks, Sue, Panda has a great sepia that I use for the base of my darkest darks, then I use either their indigo or the Grumbacher purple over it. I just got the Holbein blue-violet, and used it a bit -- you can see it on the close up of the horse's hind end, on the inside of the opposite leg (just a tiny bit showing). It depends on what I'm looking for, how much I use. With the Holbeins, they're so soft that I had to be careful..with the Grumbacher in places I just kind of hatched it a bit and lightly blended it with the stump.

Okay, new pics...despite my good intentions, I was dealing with a setting sun by the time I took these. I took the one detail shot (the horse's hind end) in direct sunlight and there's a bit of a shadow across the top, sorry. The colour's not too bad on it, though.

So...getting close! A couple detail pics for Sue...one of my funny crowd! I didn't notice till I started doing this piece how many people there were with cameras! It's been interesting to do, if not my favourite part (nooooo! people!!!), and all I've really been doing is concentrating on shapes and I guess it's worked out okay. I was unsure at first if I was going to try and pull off the crowd, thought about just leaving a landscape behind. Boldly go, I guess! :p

Linda

lisilk
01-09-2004, 08:25 PM
As someone fairly new to pastels, I am very much enjoying watching your progress. You are building some beautiful muscles, tones, etc on the horse ans the bg crowd is just out of focus enough to push the horse forward. ( Duh, like you need any lessons from a new comer. LOL. )

Beautiful. Thanks for showing all your steps !

Cheers,

Li

Dyin
01-09-2004, 08:42 PM
Linda...thanks for the cu's!!! I've tried using Caran d'Ache's sepia but it has a strange sheen to it I don't like. So I lay a base of H's burnt umber and then the indigo. Have never tried violet for a real dark area...just skin shadows.
Li...just cuz you're new doesn't mean you're not right! I was thinking too how well you pushed the crowd back...there but not overpowering. Can you paint at night, or do you need the daylight? I've been pretty frustrated with that lately, but on the other hand it makes me finally stop for the day. Can't wait to see it done and then...what's next!!! And did I say...looooooking good??!!

majestaero
01-09-2004, 10:31 PM
Thanks, Li! I'm still a newcomer too, really. :D

The Holbein burnt umber and indigo were among the colours I ordered --and didn't get! Great website -- they're based in Montreal, so the site is English and French, and apparently they numbers assigned to colours en francais don't match the English ones! I had to laugh. Guess they'll be wanting to fix that! Hopefully I'll have the *right* colours soon!

I actually use the Panda sepia and indigo in place of, or to supplement black so it doesn't look as dead -- I use the purple more for shadow areas. I'm worried that the H BU won't be dark enough...I'd better be able to find more of that Panda sepia, I'm down to a crumb!!

I'm thinking I'll leave the colours in the crowd in front of the horse a little less washed out than those behind to kind of keep some attention there -- not that the horse's face came off perfectly, but I'm hoping he looks pretty determined (despite his inept rider, haha!! Just kidding -- I'd probably still be in the water!). Any thoughts on that??

Linda

Dyin
01-09-2004, 11:54 PM
When I first saw the crowd pic you posted I noticed the red shirt a lot on the kid in front...actually I figured you would be kicking them back like you did the other side...IMO it distracts from the horses head rather than draw attention to it..I've just been looking at it again and it's fine with the rest of the crowd but the red shirt really draws the eye...

Gayze
01-10-2004, 01:39 PM
Linda, lovely painting. Your style of rendering horses reminds me just a little of Sam Savitt for some reason that I can't quite place -- I don't think he ever worked in pastels, but something about your lines and the way you "put the horse together". (I knew Sam, tho' not extremely well, he was a client in the animal hospital I worked for in the mid '80s. He had a sweet little Norwegian Elkhound at the time who had a problem with skin cysts. LOL)

Love the way you build muscle on the horse, and am jealous over how well you portray the rider's balance and form.

Only one thing bothers me. Your horse is going to knock his rear hooves on the top of the fence. ;) Other than that, Kudos!

:clap:

--Gayze

Kathryn Wilson
01-10-2004, 01:58 PM
Linda, lovely painting. Your style of rendering horses reminds me just a little of Sam Savitt for some reason that I can't quite place -- I don't think he ever worked in pastels, but something about your lines and the way you "put the horse together". (I knew Sam, tho' not extremely well, he was a client in the animal hospital I worked for in the mid '80s. He had a sweet little Norwegian Elkhound at the time who had a problem with skin cysts. LOL)



Gayze and Linda: Yes, I see where this would remind you of Savitt's style - I have many of his books and he is one of my all-time favorites artists. Getting back to drawing horses again sounds like a good New Year's resolution for me.

Gayze
01-10-2004, 03:13 PM
Gayze and Linda: Yes, I see where this would remind you of Savitt's style - I have many of his books and he is one of my all-time favorites artists.

A really, really nice man, too. True animal lover, through and through. I believe I heard that he passed away just a couple of years ago. A real loss to both the horse and the artist world.

--Gayze

majestaero
01-10-2004, 08:41 PM
Yes, he did. I never actually met him but grew up around his drawings and illustrations. I think his drawing ability was pretty uncanny -- he could draw a horse doing just about anything and pull it off!

Thanks for your comments, Gayze. Actually, event horses do hit the fences a lot! That's why they grease their limbs with Crisco (the white on his hind legs is supposed to be Crisco :D .) This guy had a pretty tough time getting through this complex, so he very well may have knocked it on the way out! They're not like show jumpers, who are known and taught to be careful!

Hey Sue, that guy in the red shirt kinda bothered me too -- so I got rid of him for you ;) . They'll never find the body. :evil: See what happens when you draw too much attention to yourself? :D

Spent the afternoon painting in the freezing cold basement with a blanket wrapped around me in front of a portable heater, haha! I can't even remember what I did! Worked a bit on this one this AM, and now I'll try and do a bit more, at least till I fall asleep! So yes, I work at night...I now know it's time to stop when I start trying to eat the pastels.... :rolleyes:

Linda

eileenclaire
01-10-2004, 08:51 PM
Hey Sue, that guy in the red shirt kinda bothered me too -- so I got rid of him for you ;) . They'll never find the body. :evil: See what happens when you draw too much attention to yourself? :D

Linda


Linda, you have me laughing over that one :D :D ! You're the goddess of the world you created, you can snuff 'em out as you please!

Gayze
01-10-2004, 08:56 PM
Linda, how do you do such lovely work in a freezing basement!? Eeek!

I've seen a few events (am a horse-crazy kid even at my advancing age, and though haven't been to any "live" in years, I'll still catch them on television when I can), and knew that the positioning was probably "spot-on" -- but I think knowing that was what made me go "Ouch" when I saw the close-up of the back end. ;)

I feel really fortunate to have gotten to know Mr Savitt a little. He truly was a charming gentleman, and always had a story to tell when he came in. When the lovely poster he did of draft horse breeds came out, he received a number of advance copies from the publishers before it actually hit the market, and brought in a nice autographed, framed copy of it for the vet to hang in his exam room.

--Gayle

Dyin
01-10-2004, 09:05 PM
ooooh, rubbed him out for me, didja???? Now....what did I tell you about eating those pastels?? :evil: :rolleyes: :D

Mikki Petersen
01-11-2004, 12:19 AM
Oooohhhh! I almost passed over this thread because horses aren't my thing but I'm so glad I did not! I can hardly believe you did this with oil pastels considering the detail and realism. This is superb work! Will be watching for the final product.

majestaero
01-12-2004, 12:17 AM
Thanks, Mikki...I'll be sure to not put the word "horse" in my titles now so that you'll check them out! :D :p It's strange, because I've worked with OPs for so long, I always find it funny when people are amazed that they can produce realistic, detailed work! Mind you, it did take a while to figure out how to get the detail, and I still avoid backgrounds with them! Working on that though! I always tell people I won't do horse portraits smaller than 14 x 17 because of the nature of OPs, but I think now I probably could...still helps to go big, within reason!

Gayle -- I only do my oils in the basement, so I've been reasonably warm while working on this piece!! :p So if you ever come across one of my oils, you can take that into account when it's sub-par! :p That's so cool you knew Mr. Savitt. And I saw a few really scary moments at Rolex, the day I took the ref photo for this -- those fences don't budge!!

Okay...well, it's at the put it away for a few days stage, I think. I took a photo of it anyway, even though it's night. I want to hear anything that bothers anyone! Hey, you've all been kind enough to come along for the ride, I wouldn't feel right calling it finished without your approval!! :) Let me know if I've forgotten anything -- happens all the time! I usually notice before it goes behind glass, though!

And Sue -- only one oil pastel was harmed in the making of this artwork.... ;)

Linda

Dyin
01-12-2004, 12:28 AM
Couldn't find one thing to critique...great distance in the background, the crowd works well, and the horse and rider are awesome! :clap: :clap: :clap: Can't wait to see what's next!

btw, Linda...we're shooting for no oil pastels harmed in the making of the next one, really, can't just have you running around rubbing out whoever you please! :evil: :rolleyes: :p

Mz_Sketch_Pad
01-12-2004, 12:44 AM
i'm so happy you're not lurking anymore- you have alot of talent- this is a great wip!!

majestaero
01-12-2004, 12:48 AM
btw, Linda...we're shooting for no oil pastels harmed in the making of the next one, really, can't just have you running around rubbing out whoever you please! :evil: :rolleyes: :p

:D :D :D I'll be shooting for that too, Sue. they're way too expensive!!

Thanks, Mz...now I have to figure out what's next! :confused:

Linda

eileenclaire
01-12-2004, 02:35 PM
Linda, this is wonderful!! A dynamic scene, you've really conveyed the movement and excitement well here. Thanks for taking us along on the ride! And with only one casualty to boot. I enjoyed watching this WIP!

christmascarolnz
01-12-2004, 03:19 PM
Wow Linda this certainly is good. Even down to the folk with their cameras! That tickled me...
Carol

Mo.
01-13-2004, 07:09 PM
Linda no critique's from me either, this is truly a great piece of art, the detail is phenomenal, and the colour balance throughout is super, glad to hear that no pastels were harmed along the way! :D Trust Sue to come up with that one. :D Luvya Sue!;) So I guess all that's left is loads of applause for you which is so well deserved. Oh what's next?

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Mo.:)