Flemish Style New Oil

[Johnnie]

Hi all .
It was suggested I post this over here due to being painted in a classic technique of sorts.. Its still wet. ;)

This is my very first attempt at oil painting and it is an exercise I have done from watching Flemish Technique lesson videos that David Weaver has made. I bought a few of them due to really liking the glass like finish of the paintings. I have been painting watercolor previously.

Comments or suggestions welcome of course.

Tnx for looking
Johnnie

Here it is:
Using Canvas pad paper 9x12
Acrylic underpainting and also shadow layer. He does this more or less to quicken things up in the beginning.
Oils Winsor Newton Winton oils.
Brushes #4 #8 Sables

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/19-Dec-2003/21575-CandleFirstOil.jpg

Here is the reference photo on Dave Weavers Flemish web page.
http://www.flemishrealism.com/library.htm
Its the third one down

[Strawberry Wine]

Beautiful candle Johnnie. Love the wax drip and the bit of smoke. Good reflections.

Gail

[Eugene Veszely]

So are you hooked on oils ?? ;)

Nice piece....I have a candle sitting in front of me I have thought about painting....

[pampe]

nice work, Johnnie

I like the richness you got from the darks

About how many layers did you paint?

[M.A.]

Looks great, Johnnie! You must be very proud of this piece. As good as it looks on the screen I'm sure it even looks better in real life. Will be looking forward to seeing more of your oil work here on WC!:clap:

[artmom]

The candle glow is delightful!

Lyn

[Alan Cross]

Nice Johnnie my only thought is I would have liked it more if the dish didn't line up with the back of the table....
Alan :)

[PthaloBlueGirl]

Thanks for the web link. Know of any inexpensive videos to teach you how to paint like Bouguereau, Velazquez, Vermeer?

Would his videos translate well to using acrylics or water oils? Does he ask you to buy or concoct, sp?, strange mediums like How To Paint Like The Old Masters book by Joseph Sheppard??

His prices are more reasonable than this other guy who wants $125.00 and up for his videos.

:D

[Smileawhyl]

Quite a lovely effect Johnnie. Those must be some great tapes to get this type of effect from your first oil painting. Again, lovely.

[Biki]

great job Johnnie - Candles are difficult.
( i won't show you my first attempt - they ended up looking like lighted carrrots :D )

ahh Blue - wouldn't it be wonderful to see someone do a great demo. I have only ever found one workshop teacher that does demos. To actually watch his brush at work & ask questions is such a treat. I have seen a few videos, but they don't paint like I want to paint.

There is Art Papa of course, but we cannot play his video format in Aussie land - besides, i think i have a long way to go before i even attempt his technique.
Same goes for David Weaver's videos. I wish they would get with it & put them all on DVD. (sob, sob)

biki

[Johnnie]

Hi all Thanks for responding

Gail
I enjoyed doing this. I rather like oils over watercolor now having tried them I like how they blend.
Tnx

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1Chameleon
Well I might just be hooked. lol. I will know better after a few more.
Tnx

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Pampe
Hi Pampe and thanks for reply
THis is the first lesson so there is two layers of acrylic for the background then rub linseed oil on canvas after sanding smooth like glass. Then there is the shadow layer in oil, dead layer in oil,
color layer and highlight layer.
He is using acrylic for quickness of learning due to it drying so fast the he is using Water soluble Grumbacher oils. Im using Winton oils. Dont have watersolubles and not going to get them for a couple of lessons. Altho they are treated exactly the same as regular oiils. Just water cleanup is the plus. But lot more money too..
tnx

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MaryAnn
Hi MaryAnn.
Yes it is enjoyable and it surely does look better looking here. Its still wet. Will take a week or better to dry.
tnx

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Mom
THanks mom you had answered me elsewhere too. Glad you like it.
tnx

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Alan
Hi Alan. Yes well I didnt like it that close either but I made an error to be honest and had to creep up closer to the top there.
Oh well. Another lesson learned. When I get the years in that you have maybe I wont do that. ;)
tnx

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PthaloBlueGirl :D
No I dont know of any other teachings other than this one I mentioned. Yes thats what he uses in first few tapes is Acrylics and Watersoluble oils. Nope no strange mediums. He uses Linseed oil Watersoluble stuf. For oils uses linseed and damar varnish.
I am more than satisfied with the videos. Matter a fact I called him and told him I recieved them and told him they were worth the money even if I didnt paint. They are just plain great to watch his talent.
tnx

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SmileAshyl
Yes I found the first one ok. Took me about 5 hours to do it all.
As the videos go on the time gets longer. I beleive the last one is around 3 weeks to complete. The longer tapes he goes into speeded up time laps to cover all the blending etc etc.
He uses Classic and Pero oils [not sure on spelling]
tnx

Well thats about it . Thanks folks for replying.

Johnnie

[Johnnie]

Originally posted by Biki
great job Johnnie - Candles are difficult.
( i won't show you my first attempt - they ended up looking like lighted carrrots :D )

ahh Blue - wouldn't it be wonderful to see someone do a great demo. I have only ever found one workshop teacher that does demos. To actually watch his brush at work & ask questions is such a treat. I have seen a few videos, but they don't paint like I want to paint.

There is Art Papa of course, but we cannot play his video format in Aussie land - besides, i think i have a long way to go before i even attempt his technique.
Same goes for David Weaver's videos. I wish they would get with it & put them all on DVD. (sob, sob)

biki



Hi Biki

David Weaver's style is very similar to Art Papa's style. Its the same technique pretty much.
David is a really nice guy. Why don't you phone him and ask if he would put on dvd etc. He has been more than accommodating for me. Give it a shot.Whats that old saying " You dont ask, You dont get" lol
Thanks for looking

Johnnie

[PthaloBlueGirl]

It would be nice just to even have a teacher nearer to where I am.

I think that it would be more nicer if artpapa would lower his prices, and put them on DVD too for International people. I really wanna paint like that but when I was a work study I only made $125 a week. There are a lot of financially-weak people like me who are just as deserving of teaching materials as someone who can afford to pay that much.

As for the other videos at flemishrealism, they are more affordable and fairly priced so that all can have access. But I don't like the plastic look to the colors of the sample pictures. He does paint a lot better than I do and I am certain I could learn a lot from him but part of what I don't like about my own painting is the plastic, unreal colors that acrylics give. I want colors like Velazquez and Bouguereau. My painting would improve just from that alone :) I thought oils were the answer, but it might not be the type of paint but the way they are used and the colors used too.

And as for the painting in this thread, I like the colors a lot better. It doesn't seem so 'plastic', that is the only word I can think of.

:D

[Johnnie]

Well there is not plastic. Its all covered up with oil . He is only using it in the first two videos for speed of student to get into the crutz of the painting. One does not HAVE to use it. The rest of the videos are all in oil from start to finish.. Yes, I got all 7, he made me an offer I couldnt refuse.
Dont forget I am in Canada and whatever the price you see there is almost double when it gets here.

So how could there be a plastic shine when there is oil over over it. lol

Colors. He goes into that. Most of his colors are all earth colors used in the 13 century on is what he mentions on the tape.. Not all mind you but 80 percent are.

Johnnie

[PthaloBlueGirl]

Do you have the tape where he paints the woman's head? Does he use water soluble oils on that too? Underpainting?

If you look at a close up of the painting of the woman on his site and compare it to a Bouguereau you'll see what I mean about 'plastic'. I was refering to the look not the paint used. I've been considering getting it because I want to learn to paint like Bouguereau and his work seems to be one or two levels above me and just a bit away from B. So his tapes would be a step in the right direction.

Give us a review of the tapes as you view or work with them. I'd be very interested.

Thanks!
:-))

[Johnnie]

Originally posted by PthaloBlueGirl
Do you have the tape where he paints the woman's head? Does he use water soluble oils on that too? Underpainting?

If you look at a close up of the painting of the woman on his site and compare it to a Bouguereau you'll see what I mean about 'plastic'. I was refering to the look not the paint used. I've been considering getting it because I want to learn to paint like Bouguereau and his work seems to be one or two levels above me and just a bit away from B. So his tapes would be a step in the right direction.

Give us a review of the tapes as you view or work with them. I'd be very interested.

Thanks!
:-))

Hi

Yes I have that video. I will have to check for you and get back to you on that one.

Yes ok I understand what you mean nowabout the plastic look.. I went to Bouguereauart.com and check a few out and I see what you see too. Only thing I can say is its how he has done the shading and the coloring of the complexion more than anything. Possibly too much blending with a wop brush . I dont know I am new to this. THat candle was my FIRST endeavour into oils. So the tapes did their job for me anyway.

Yep will keep you abreast of them As I do each one I will post them. In the Oils section probably .

Tnx for the interest and I will have a look at the portrait tape and let you know.

Johnnie