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online art
12-16-2003, 03:00 PM
Having real trouble getting my gallery image to look even remotely decent.

I'm hosting it myself, but e bay still compresses the hell out of it! look -

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=jmwildlifeart&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Please help. The image I've uploaded is 96 x 80 pixels at 72 dpi and looks great on my pc @ 6K

:confused: :confused: :confused:

arlene
12-16-2003, 03:20 PM
are you compressing it at all? i find if i save at a level 5, it's less compressed looking...this actually doesn't look bad at all, but i would probably give your gallery pic more saturation so it shows up better...

also the best thing you can do is make the gallery pic exactly 96 x 96 even if you have to crop top and bottom.

again here is ebay's and what i did with yours making sure i filled the whole 96 x 96 area.

ebay first:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Dec-2003/240-3646420786.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Dec-2003/240-leop-sit-whole2-new.jpg

this was saved at a five compression

salmon
12-16-2003, 03:24 PM
Arlene beat me to it.

Your image was 150 pixels per inch. Set it to 72 if you can and do what Arlene suggested and crop it square. It has more impact.
If you need further help let me know.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/16-Dec-2003/2364-leop-sit-whole2-new.jpg

online art
12-16-2003, 03:32 PM
Thanks both.

I feel I'm loosing my mind:crying:

Just did what you said - Image 96 x 96, @ 72 dpi resolution. Image size was compressed to 4K and looks perfect on my screen.

Then I uploaded it to my server, edited my photos in ebay and hey presto

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=jmwildlifeart&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Ebay has messed (it's a family show so no swear words. lol) it up again. The image size has gone down to 64 pixels and it's compreseed to hell!I'll never get a view with this image! They are messing with my mind!!!

Ivyleaf
12-16-2003, 04:54 PM
In the Gallery view at ebay, it shows 96x96 pixels.

Only those choosing a Gallery View, will see the larger thumbnails.

In the default view (does this have a name???), they only allow 64x64 pixels.

Then, in the Gallery view, there's also the featured size, at 140x140 pixels! (I believe this is for featured plus auctions...more money and it still looks bad!)

I think they ought to have ONE standard thumbnail size view.

If you size it 96x96, ebay still compresses it for viewing at 64x64 even when doing your own webhosting...if you make it 64x64, they will increase the size of it to fit in the Gallery view mode to 96x96.

Which is worse, their upsizing software or their compression software? :rolleyes: Both are awful if you ask me.

Thumbnails never look as nice on ebay as they do on my screen here, I know they are 96x96 and 72dpi, and yes, this is with hosting my own gallery images.

So, the question then becomes, do most people use the regular view or the gallery view when browsing ebay?

Who knows really? I think the best you can do, is optimize it the best you can for viewing on your screen, and know that everyone else's thumbnails look equally bad...lol.

My 2cents, for whatever they're worth...
:) :) :)
Ivy

arlene
12-16-2003, 05:07 PM
Jason, it looks fine now. I wouldn't worry about it. As long as it's readable.

online art
12-16-2003, 05:24 PM
Hi Ivy,

Thanks for your help. What is gallery view? the view is see just shows me the tiny 64pix image, is there a setting I need to adjust to see it 96 pix? I can't find one.

Hi Arlene,

Thanks, guess the tiny images will always be a bit dissapointing then.:crying:

Ivyleaf
12-16-2003, 05:33 PM
The Gallery View is an ebay option, on the search page, on the left hand side under "Display". Buried way down beneath all those other search options.

The only way I know to change the view on it, is to do a search for your auction from one of the main pages, and then flip it to Gallery View.

I wish you could default all images to Gallery View, but I haven't found a setting for that yet. If it's there to default to Gallery always, I'd love to hear it.

Which is why I personally think most folks view at the default (64 x 64) view, cause they don't know the Gallery View option is there. I know for myself, I ususally browse in the default view as well.

Hope this helps,
:) :) :)
Ivy

online art
12-16-2003, 05:39 PM
Thanks Ivy,

Got it - that's why my images look tiny!

I still think mine looks cr*p when compared to others eg http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=chrismanart&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

Don't know why though, mine just look too contrasty etc, not real, but like I said they look great on my PC.

Is this something I'll have to put up with?

Ivyleaf
12-16-2003, 06:09 PM
You only think it looks bad in comparison, because you have the original to compare it to ;) .

The link you showed, at least on the first page, is not showing that they have maximized their 64 x 64 pixels. They are showing white edges around their image. And if you notice, they are rectangular shaped, not square.

Your image to me, is still not showing square as well. It does have a bit of space showing at the top and bottom that is white. (Yes, it's hard to see, but it's there). It is possible, that the image cache somewhere between my computer and the viewing on ebay, has not yet cleared to see a square image there. (Ebay images are sometimes slow to update when you change them and there's nothing to do that will speed that up...)

Others are silently sitting out there themselves, thinking the same thing...it never looks as good as on my PC, and never as good as the original.

Taking that into consideration, I think you have to go with what is "acceptable" to you, otherwise you will constantly spin your wheels trying to second guess what eBay's system is going to do with your image once they compress/enlarge it. You could spend hours trying to modify it, and in the end it still will not look as good as what's on your PC.

My advice for what it's worth: make it the best you can and let it go. Due to their system and its flaws, it will never be as good as on your PC.

:) :) :)
Ivy

online art
12-17-2003, 12:41 PM
Thanks Ivy, all your valuable info has been taken onboard. thanks.

Can I ask one last question, how do I get a little banner under my signature like your ivyleaf one.

Ivyleaf
12-17-2003, 01:03 PM
First, you need to create one...mine was created in Photoshop 7. It was made to fit the guidelines of the eBay MarketPlace Keyword Banner advertising (more information here (https://ebay.admarketplace.net/ebay/servlet/ebay) and here on WC (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146411) ) It just seemed easier to go ahead and create one to fit that purpose too...lol.

Ahhh anyways, to get it into your signature here:

Use the uploader at the top of the page to upload it once it's been created.

Copy and paste the link into "My Profile" on the "My WC!" page (where you pasted the link for your signature line).

If you'd like your banner to be clickable, as mine is, you need a little more keystrokes to do that. I will show you what my code for the banner in my signature looks like, just replace it with your links once you have your banner ready:

[ URL=http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ivysvineart/][ IMG]http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/18-Nov-2003/2123-ivysvineartbanner7.gif[/IMG][/URL]

Take out the space between the bracket and the URL and the bracket and the IMG to get it to work right. The URL part is the link where you want people to end up at. The image part is the link to your image.

Please let me know if you need more help!
:) :) :)
Ivy

online art
12-17-2003, 01:11 PM
Thank you Sooooooooooooooooo much:clap: :clap: :clap:

I'm gonna work on this on the weekend.:D

Ivyleaf
12-17-2003, 01:24 PM
Wow, you are fast...lol.

Hope it helps.

Let me know if you need help!

:) :) :)
Ivy

online art
12-28-2003, 10:23 AM
It took a while to get around to doing it but EVENTUALLY I have my banner.

THANKS Everyone:clap: :clap: :clap:

SunshineyChelle
12-28-2003, 11:16 PM
I think it looks great!

Bet it will work wonderful for you.

Michelle

online art
12-29-2003, 03:39 AM
Thanks Michelle,

Now all I need to do is brain wash people in to buying all my paintings. lol:D

nanabanana
12-29-2003, 04:24 AM
online art

i looked at your auction number it seems you are using ebay's picture box as the only place to show your picture, ebay auto compresses pictures to speed loading time.

Suggestion:
1. use ebay to host the gallery pic ->it's smaller & faster and gives buyers something to see while rest of page and your larger pics load.

2. host your own picture for the larger and magnification shots,

3. use HTML to spruce up listing and to insert your larger pictures, use several smaller magnification shots to show detail.

4. take a look at this auction for an example of what i mean, I am editing all my auction photos with this kind of format, as it shows detail but at same time loads fast, and main pic is small enough that it's unuseable if printed out.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3638006565&category=20158