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LDianeJohnson
07-26-2001, 06:57 PM
Hi Pastel Painters,

In another thread on this forum DFGray prepared a pastel board for his wonderful sailboat piece. I am starting this thread for anyone interested in posting or reading about preparing your own boards in one place.

I like to frame these days using a gold filet and single mat to give it a nice finish. This also greatly reduces residual pastel pastel particles from falling against the glass. After trying many published and unpublished formulas, this is the one I have adapted and been using for several years:

Recipe:
• 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 cu. gesso
• 2 - 3 cu. water
• 2 1/2 cu. ground (quartz, pumice, or other)
• Acrylic pigment in desired colors. 1-2 tubes black, and tubes of tinting colors you prefer to make the desired board color.

Other Supplies:
• bucket
• jar
• clean sponge
• measuring cup
• fresh water
• semi-smooth to semi-rough paint roller, perferably wool
• large (3-4”) house painting brush
• For best results, use 100% rag, acid-free, 30x40 - 4 ply museum board. That way, you can cut the finished board to any sizes you prefer. To economize, make several at a time. Or, you may pre-cut the boards.


Set everything up before beginning as once you get started, you must work quickly.

Step 1:
Create your mixture by combining black, 1/2 cu. of the water and shake in a small jar. Add the acrylic colors (using ochre, cad. red, permanent green or other color to warm up the black) then shake the jar till you have the desired color.

Step 2:
Pour color mixture into a bucket and add the gesso to act as the binder. Mix using the large paint brush.
The color will lighten due to the white gesso so adjust the color if necessary by adding more acrylic.

Step 3:
Add the 2 1/4 cu. ground, and more of the water, mixing rapidly till the mixture is the consistency of heavy glue but flows from the brush. Be careful that the mixture is not watery. You may use quartz crystals or ceramic residue as ground and add more if mixture needs thickening. Add water if too thick.

Step 4:
Prepare the board by dampening the back with the sponge and fresh water to prevent buckling. Then wring out the sponge well and apply to the front surface...do not make it too wet. This is just to help the mixture flow onto the board.

Step 5:
Using the large paint brush quickly spread the gesso mixture on the board as the mixture dries rapidly and can streak. Apply enough to give a heavy coat (approx. 1/16”). Brush one way in all one direction, then at a 90 degree angle across the board.

Step 6:
Use paint roller over the entire surface, first going in all one direction, then at 90 degrees in the other. Roll only one way and lift the roller, do not roll back and forth or you’ll risk pulling off the drying mixture.

Step 7:
Attach the board using push pins to a strong surface such as Homosote to prevent warping. Then, allow to dry to the touch, lay flat and place a heavy weight (several layers of cardboard) on top, and allow to fully dry. Store dry boards flat. Cut using an X-acto knife and straight-edge.

You can apply another coat if you wish. Experiment with the mixture to see what works best for you. If you prefer an even heavier tooth, you can sprinkle some of the dry ground on top of the board surface while still wet with the rolled mixture, or use random brushstrokes to apply the mixture.

To use board. Use as-is, or, if the board is too gritty for you, just “break” the surface very lightly with fine sandpaper. If you use it too heavily you will flatten the surface tooth.

Have fun!

Diane

Bobbie
07-27-2001, 10:18 AM
Thanks so much for your receipe, Diane. I'm going to print this out to use when I run out of my paper & primer.

Katherine J
07-27-2001, 05:42 PM
It's great to have this recipe, Diane, as I've experimented many times without great luck. However, I have a couple of simple questions. Firstly, I'm not familiar enough with acrylics to know how much is in a tube, i.e. how many ounces are you talking about per tube? Also, can you use a foam roller?

Cheers,
Katherine

DFGray
07-27-2001, 07:50 PM
Hi all,
I have been using mat boards and illustration boards as a support for larger pastels, and have found cheap mat boards called flaw board (2nds from mat board suppliers). I have tried to work on foamcore but they get dented by sharp objects (easles) in the car, I use the ph neutral boards, but to be safe I coat the backs with a gesso also coating the back provides even tension when you add the ground to the front so the board stays flat when dry, for the front I am using Acrylic Ground for Pastel a Golden product which I tint with acrylic paint, I apply with a large brush (6 to 8" house painters) and add a second or third acrylic colour while brushing I like to have an abstract field of colour to pastel upon and also find the random brush stokes adding excitement to the finished piece. I let the boards dry flat under pressure from a drawing board with something heavy upon that.

I work from life so starting from a abstract background is fine for me as I rarely know what I am going to paint when I start out sometimes I don t even have a destination I just head out the driveway to paint.
regards
Dan

LDianeJohnson
07-28-2001, 09:33 AM
??»a?ginally posted by Katherine J [/i]
... a couple of simple questions. Firstly, I'm not familiar enough with acrylics to know how much is in a tube, i.e. how many ounces are you talking about per tube? Also, can you use a foam roller? [/QUOTE]

Hi Katherine,

2 oz. sized tubes of acrylic.

A foam roller is too smooth and may tend to lift the mixture from the board rather than apply it. Also, a too smooth roller will fight the very thing you are trying to do on the board which is to build the tooth to a greater degree. If you cannot find a wool roller, use a standard paint roller.

Hope this helps :)

Diane

4vincent
07-30-2001, 01:56 PM
I've used various methods I've picked up in the past, but sometimes like to go for a more uniformed surface, especially for portrait work. This seems to work the best for me, (at least for the present :) ) a surface I prepare on both panels and paper.

I get 4ft by 8ft sheets of Gatorfoam, cut them to size, and sand to rough up the surface. I also sand doun the edges, will be quite sharp. Then I wipe off the dust and gesso.

I coat each side with about three coats, doing the edges also. The gesso will make the Gatorfoam archival. Before applying the grit surface, I apply a final coat of gesso to the panel, and spray the grit while the gesso is wet. (I even mist it with a little water to keep it wet)

I use white aluminum oxide for my grit material, about 300 grit,
which I apply with a micro etcher (kind of a mini-sandblaster) about the size of an airbrush. All this, of course, is done outside. The aluminum oxide is metallic, but heavier than pumice and less dusty. (I still use a mask when spraying however)

I also apply this surface to Stonehenge print paper. Ken
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DavidF
07-31-2001, 01:12 PM
Diane, I might give this a try, but can you please confirm the meaning of "cu". I presume it is " a cubic inch", but it is not a term we use much in UK, especially in its abbreviated form. If it is a cubic inch, then I reckon that 1 cu = approx 16 cc (cubic centimetres).

Thanks' DavidF

LDianeJohnson
08-01-2001, 09:17 AM
David,

So sorry!! "cu" stands for cup. A cup here being 8 ounces here in the U.S. ...I think that is 250 ml in the U.K.

Thanks for letting me know about this!

Diane

Abu Haidar
08-02-2001, 04:57 AM
Many of the terms I don't understand.. Gesso, Acrylic (is it the acrylic that used for painting ?) , etc....

And..I think it's more perfect if u could support the tips with some pictures when u made it.. like Larry had done before with hardboard for oil color painting...

DavidF
08-02-2001, 07:37 AM
Diane,

Thanks for explaining what a "cu" is. How inventive of our American cousins, to use an abbreviation which, if you include a following point (.) is just as long as the original word :evil: !

We have a set of US cup measurers and it actually states that 1 cup is 236 cc/millilitres, so your conversion was pretty good.

Regards, David F

LDianeJohnson
08-02-2001, 11:18 AM
Hi David,

I can't take the credit...my cup has metric on the other side, so I had some help :)

You're right cu. is the same length as cup...duh...guess when you learn this as a kid it looks fine and you never question it.

Have fun makin' board...(making). ;)

D.

DFGray
08-02-2001, 12:06 PM
hi Abu
gesso is a white ground used as undercoating for oil paintings,
acrylic pigments are what I use for colouring my underpaintings,
soon borrowing a digital camera and will try to get some photos
regards
Dan

Abu Haidar
08-03-2001, 12:15 AM
Dan,

Hurry, I can't wait ...
And thanks for your descriptions

Abu Haidar

LarrySeiler
08-09-2001, 04:07 PM
At the LeBlanc Wildlife Art Festival this past weekend, there were a couple very accomplished published/print artists that favor pastels.

I've been wanting to get back into some pastel myself, and have had a new set of Rembrandt soft and NuPastel hard for quite awhile until I came across the ideal surface.

Interesting reciped Diane.

Would this work applied to masonite as well, versus the heavy 4 ply museum board?

The artists at the festival were using suede matboard, and seem to love it.

What I want to do is a technique that I think will have some continuity with what I'm doing with oils/acrylics. I want to be able to build my most expressive bold strokes over a blocked-in mass underpainting.

I've seen some pastelists use woodstains to stain their surfaces, and others (which I'm interested in) applying turpenoid ladened brushstrokes over laid in pastel to wash it out into blocked in forms. Would this surface you subscribe (matboard or masonite) be the kind of surface I'd be wanting to work over turpenoid blocked in pastel masses? Thanks....

Larry

LDianeJohnson
08-09-2001, 10:43 PM
Hi Larry,

Several artists use masonite or very firm base upon which they apply the surface similar to what I described. The reason most pastel painters use a 100% rag museum board is because it is equally archival. With soft pastel, part of the beauty of laying in the color in layers is the fact that the museum board has some "play."

Here's what I mean. If you apply a pastel stick on a brick, you have a soft stick against a rock-hard surface. This is ok if you wish to have a sketchy or linear look. If you want to do a "painting" having a little "give" in the surface (not alot) maximizes the benefit of the pastel.

Even if you use Canson paper or sanded paper, using a few sheets of newspaper (or a few sheets of the same paper you're underneath) provides the perfect surface (whereas, velvet-like paper or too much play which can be "mushy").

Particularly if you are using your new set of Rembrants and NuPastels (which are both compatible "soft pastels" but are also both harder than some), having something a tad softer than a masonite board would be good for starters. However, since you work on boards a great deal, if you prepare a surface with a strong, high tooth that can hold up to some brushwork as well as pastel applications, you'll do even better. (Experimentation is the name of the game as usual. I still experiment with different surfaces even while using favorites.)

There are pre-manufactured pastel boards on the market that some artists love. But another aspect of using a harder board is that you use more pastel than you need to. I have a fairly heavy stroke at times. If I use an extremely hard surface, much of the paint falls away rather than becoming a part of my painting.

[Oh, while I'm thinking of it. Work vertically. You probably know this, but is an important aspect to painting in pastel.]

With your recent way of painting, you could have a ball with pastel and achieve some incredible effects. If using acrylic, I suggest a thin wash of color then finish in pastel (rather than a heavy acrylic layer since pastel will not adhere to acrylic), or, lay in in oils, paint in pastel, come back with turpentine to move things around and finish with pastel...wow. So yes, turpenoid is the better choice for now I think. Since you are more used to working in the wet mediums and less in pastel, the more you can do that's familiar during first trials the better, then you can work your way to using more pastel over thinner layers of oil or stain.

If you start out by stroking as if sketching to get the feel; remove the wrappers from your pastels and use the sides; then go to even softer pastels, yum...you'll have a blast!

D.

LarrySeiler
08-25-2001, 01:22 PM
thanks Diane.....

I'll experiment a bit as the school year begins, as I have some time oft and on and kids enjoy seeing my experimenting any way. When I have a few pieces....I'll put 'em up to share.

I did portraits in pastel years ago, but more as demo's for students, and I did them on cheaper pastel paper.

I'll try a few of your suggestions.

Larry

LDianeJohnson
08-28-2001, 08:52 PM
Sure thing Larry... would love to see your pastel creations as the year progresses. I hope you'll have your students participating here again too. They are such a joy!

D.