View Full Version : Claybord again...

08-19-2000, 06:55 AM
I visited the site of ampersandart.com and saw the works there done on smooth and on textured claybord. Wow ! I would like to see a step by step, illustrated lesson on this. Anyone reading this that can provide that lesson or knows where there is one??? I did see excercises there at that site, but not what I find I need. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

08-20-2000, 12:06 AM
Carol, I ordered some little 4 x 5 sample panels of Clayboard a couple years ago, I had no idea what they were or how to use them. You are right the smooth is difficult to paint. Not knowing what I was doing I scracthed a design on one piece then painted over it. Another piece I just painted a simple "stenciled" looking flower. I liked the flower, but unfortunately something was splattered on it and ruined it.

08-20-2000, 05:37 AM
Msue.....are you sure it is ruined? I have never seen anything so "forgiveable" as this smooth surface! Did you try just washing it down with clean water? http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

08-20-2000, 01:43 PM
I have never worked with clayboard before. Does it absorb as well as some of the watercolor papers?


Phyllis Rennie
08-20-2000, 07:45 PM
Carol, As we've discussed previously, I'm planning to soon try Claybord. The article that I have is not any more detailed than the one at the ampersand site. What sort of problems are you experiencing??? Phyl

08-21-2000, 06:06 AM
Sassy.. It is not as absorbent as paper, and in fact is really like trying to paint watercolor on glass - almost. I believe the textured claybord is more like 300# cold press paper though.

Phyllis.. problems getting the kind of detail work I do on paper.. the paint wants to just slide everywhere!! Putting down a "puddle" first is recommended, but that doesn't get me where I wanna go lol.... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

Phyllis Rennie
08-21-2000, 07:32 PM
Did you try the textured? or only the smooth? Karen Vernon will email you her workshop schedule if you are interested in going that route. She still had openings a couple of weeks ago when I was inquiring about the brushes.

[This message has been edited by Phyllis Rennie (edited August 21, 2000).]

08-21-2000, 07:36 PM
I only tried the smooth,,,but saw watercolors done on the smooth with exquisite detail ?!!

The textured would be easier I know... http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol
As for the workshops...cannot get away to do that kind of thing, and that is why I was hoping someone here had enough experience with it to do a step by step lesson. Thanks for the input Phyllis.

[This message has been edited by oleCC (edited August 22, 2000).]

09-25-2000, 03:49 PM
Finally tried Claybord Textured this weekend. I liked it well enough that I will try it again. A couple of things I liked about it:

1. When you wet the board, it turns from white to a sort of pale tan where it is wet, and back to white again when it dries, so you can easily see where it's wet.
2. Color lifts off easily, and you can actually move the color around on the surface for a short time, so corrections are rather easily made.

It did seem to me that colors dried slightly lighter than they would have on paper. It also took a little longer to dry than paper.

Phyllis Rennie
09-25-2000, 08:04 PM
I finally tried it this week too. It is easy to lift off but seems to retain tiny dots of color in the texture. But really tiny so I don't think it matters.

I bought the three pack of 5 x 7 so I'll play with the other two before I decide if I like it.

09-26-2000, 08:08 PM
Glad to hear some of you have been trying this...haven't gotten the textured yet but do plan to soon. The idea of spraying that special fixative and not having to use glass really intrigues me. http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

Phyllis Rennie
09-27-2000, 08:41 PM
Today I'm working on a single rose. When I had the blossom about 3/4 done, I thought I would do the background. Wet the area around the flower & dropped in some colors. As it dried, the dry edge seems to collect a lot of paint and formed a dark outline around my flower and leaves. I've never noticed this happening on paper. It is easy to lift off and in some places it might be an asset, but I think the next time, I'll plan ahead and do a background first. Phyl

09-28-2000, 06:42 AM
Thanks for the tip Phyllis..and when you finish this rose, please post it here ok? I am about to order my textured board today.
Hate to get the fixative before I know if I even like this type of support board...but oh welllll http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif

Phyllis Rennie
09-28-2000, 07:56 PM
Here it is! 5 x 7 on Claybord Textured. No fixative applied yet--I didn't buy it yet--only the board to see if I liked it.
<IMG SRC="http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/User/WCRose.JPG" border=0>

Phyllis Rennie
09-28-2000, 08:00 PM
Forgot to ask--please critique. I'm thinking of using it for a gift and want it to be as good as I can do. Phyl

09-28-2000, 08:16 PM
It's beautiful! (Sorry, no suggestions.)

09-28-2000, 09:04 PM
Phyllis... the rose looks great as it is in MHO...
If you wanted to subdue the background a bit think it would add emphasis to the rose, but that is just bein picky ..

Sooooo did you like the clayboard well enough to do more with it?? Ordered mine today.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

09-29-2000, 12:07 AM

I sprayed Lascaux fixative on mine -- but I don't know why it really needs it at all. The color sinks in just like it does on paper, so it isn't going anywhere.

I can understand varnishing it, though (like Karen Vernon does), so that you don't have to use glass. I assume (but should probably be sure before trying) that if it's varnished it can be cleaned with a damp rag, unlike paper.


Phyllis Rennie
09-29-2000, 08:35 PM
Thanks, Carol. I'll take a good look at the background in the original--I think it is a little softer than here--but you might be right.

This is my second on claybord--the first I intend to wash off. After I got beyond expecting the surface to be the miracle answer to all of my wc problems, I felt that I made good progress. (You know, kinda like spending 3 hours shopping for a new brush when what you need is to go home and practice for 3 hours with one of the twenty that you already have.) The surface is so forgiving that I was not as afraid to use bold colors as when I'm trying to do wc on paper. I was easily able to correct drawing mistakes and value mistakes.

Yes, I shall try it again.

09-29-2000, 09:58 PM
Good to hear Phyllis...my order should arrive in a few days and am now getting excited about trying... your tips and the others here give me fair warning...lol http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

10-06-2000, 01:26 PM
Yea! I finally found some people out there, besides Karen Vernon, using the Clayboard Textured. I have been trying this off and on for about a year and have had alot of frustrations! By the way, Karen does have a Video out on Clayboard Textured where she does step by step demo of a flower and a landscape. Probably can find it in one of the Art catalogs.
I like the idea of not having to frame behind glass. I will keep checking with you to see your work...maybe I am expecting mine to look like hers!! Practice , Practice.
This weekend i plan to try some watersoluble colored pencils on it and see what happens!

Phyllis Rennie
10-06-2000, 07:59 PM
Let us know how you make out. And post your work too if you can. I'm planning to experiment so more and can use all the advise you can give.

10-09-2000, 12:54 AM
Mozart: Can you please elaborate on what kinds of frustrations you're having with Claybord?


10-09-2000, 04:14 PM
Lovely Phyllis! You have me intrigued about this clayboard. Just saw it in the Blick catalog.
Am currently painting on Canva-Paper by Canson. I prime it with gesso lst. Great lift-off, neat puddling and pooling. I dab the paint on rather than stroke it. Stroking it gives it a flat look.
Very interesting canvas texture for watercolor.

Phyllis Rennie
10-09-2000, 08:11 PM
Hey--how's everything in Mansfield?????? I grew up about 40 miles from there--outside of Potter Brook--went to Cowanesque Valley HS. This must be your week for "peak" autumn colors! It's such a beautiful area! Phyl

10-11-2000, 02:51 PM
My frustrations are continuing. Water soluble colored pencils are just too weak and light on this board.
Tried regular watercolor again using the puddles and dabbing with the tip of the brush and when it dries it just looks DULL to me...maybe I am more use to the sparkle of watercolors and gloss luminents of oils.
Anyone else experiencing this trouble?

10-11-2000, 03:46 PM
Mozart: I've only tried Claybord once. I enjoyed working on it, but afterwards, looking at it, it appears I should have used much more paint and much less water. Is that the dullness you mean? That it dries so pale?

Phyllis Rennie
10-11-2000, 08:38 PM
Does the fixative add gloss to it? I haven't gotten the fixative yet to try it--I just assumed that it would add some gloss.

10-12-2000, 11:43 AM
In Karen Vernon's ad in the recent Artist's Magazine she says she uses MaimeriBlu Watercolors (that is not the brand she uses in the Video however). So I wonder if the brand of watercolors makes alot of difference. Yes, mine did appear as if there was too much water...diluted.

10-12-2000, 04:24 PM
Was just looking at Claybord Fixative in the Daniel Smith catalog. It says it is a matte fixative to seal "all water-based media," and that "this acrylic spray protects artwork from dirt, moisture and air."

Phyllis Rennie
10-12-2000, 07:55 PM

Can you post a piece of your work? I've been really busy with other stuff lately so haven't been doing any more experiements with this. Maybe tomorrow or the weekend.

10-12-2000, 09:49 PM
I like it. Someone said something about lightening the background.
I might have said the same thing only the flower against that background looks fine to me. It is something about the leaves that don't look quite right. Perhaps the lighter background needs to be behind only them, but don't know enough bout watercolor to know how to do that. Maybe a graduated wash of some sort.
Really, though I love the painting.

Tammy "the I don't know what kind of Artist, artist"

10-13-2000, 12:04 AM
Phyllis: I don't know about the Claybord brand of fixative, but, in general, fixatives -- like you would use for a pastel painting -- do not add any gloss. I think the Claybord fixative is also for use on their Pastelbord (although I'm not certain of this, would have to see what it says on a can), so I really doubt it adds any gloss.

Phyllis Rennie
10-14-2000, 08:40 PM
I've been looking at the background on the original painting. Up close it looks very similar to this scanned version. However, from three or four feet away, the background colors are very much diminished and transparent. Since I expect people to view it from a bit of distance more often than up close, I've decided to leave it as is. Phyl

10-14-2000, 09:29 PM
The inventor of Claybord, Charles Ewing, has an article in Artist's magazine, August 1996, page 54. He mostly uses ink in this article, but explains how he paints, changes, and uses Claybord. Sounds interesting.

10-15-2000, 07:12 PM
In a separate thread here I posted my initial experience with this textured clayboard. It seemed appropriate to also mention here - since it all started here...lol
Today I started the leaves project for this forum..JeanE (another wc member) was with me painting it on paper. The first thing I noticed was I had to use deeper and thicker paint due to the quick absorbency. I used a toothpick to scratch out some places, but will have to go back and do it more, probably with a blade. Will keep you posted! http://www.wetcanvas.com/ubb/smile.gif Carol

Zeek Taylor
08-31-2003, 07:14 AM
I have been using textured claybord for almost a year and like it so much I haven't used paper since. It is somewhat easy to remove mistakes by applying water, letting it sit a little while and then removing with paper towel. If I have really messed up, I take it to the painting to the sink and wash off. Nearly every trace of paint comes off. On the other hand and with practice, one can glaze color over color without disturbing what is underneath. Also love the fact that I don't have to stretch paper and can easily do large size paintings up to 24"x30". I do handpainted borders on my work and claybord lends itself to the detailed work that I like to do.

08-31-2003, 07:33 AM
Now that this thread has been revived... I will comment that all the uses I have seen for clayboard ARE scratchboard art!! Using a stylus or a knife to remove strokes of the surface to reveal the opposite color underneath.... sort of a negative image look... I never saw anyone who painted on it as a regular surface....

Zeek Taylor
08-31-2003, 08:46 AM
The original claybord, claybord black, was designed as a scratchboard. It is coated with black ink and is for white on black designs. Claybord smooth which is coated with white kaolin clay ground is to be used for multimedia: ideal for acrylics, egg tempera, pen and ink, etc. Claybord textured, also coated with a white clay mineral, is great for watercolors. I use the claybord fixative which is a matte finish, after the watercolor is complete. The work can then be framed without glass. However, I go ahead and use glass for extra protection and because watercolor buyers are accustomed to buying work under glass.

08-31-2003, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by mozart
My frustrations are continuing. Water soluble colored pencils are just too weak and light on this board.
Tried regular watercolor again using the puddles and dabbing with the tip of the brush and when it dries it just looks DULL to me...maybe I am more use to the sparkle of watercolors and gloss luminents of oils.
Anyone else experiencing this trouble?

I have heard to add brightness and sparkle to water color put a drop of honey in with the paint Graham paints are made of honey. Not a lot just a pinch.
Also read about claybord and the consensus was that use watercolor almost straight from tube as using oils. Will stick fine. Its the water that makes it a pain.
So there you go. I havent tried these things its what I read in a magazine.

Paint out of the tube and a drop of honey added to the mixture on palette. Honey should be fluid/liquidy

Tryit Let us know how it works


Bubba's Mama
08-31-2003, 09:49 AM
The textured clayboard reacts as if it were 300# CP. No surprises there.

BUT -- the smooth is fantastic to play with. Think of it as if you were painting on YUPO - what a trip! Never quite sure what will happen.:D

07-17-2004, 03:27 PM
After several attemps (over a 3 year period!) I have finally been pleased with my result of watercolor on Claybord Textured! I have Karen Vernon's video and tried to follow it the best that I could as it requires a different technique than with watercolor paper. Here is my "Tulips".

07-17-2004, 07:59 PM
They are beautiful . So glad to see this thread pop up as I have been playing with clayboard textured but as yet haven't done anything I feel is good enough to post. :D

Zeek Taylor
07-18-2004, 05:37 AM
I have been using watercolor on textured claybord for almost two years. I love it so much that now paint on nothing else. I use a dry brush technique and the surface works great for that and allows me to do hand painted borders on each piece. Claybord is very forgiving and mistakes can be easily lifted. Enjoyed seeing the tulips, they are very good. This is a painting that I did on claybord and is open for review. Zeek Taylor

07-18-2004, 10:46 AM
Beautiful Zeek . What is the size?

Zeek Taylor
07-18-2004, 12:47 PM
Thanks. The size of the painting is 24 inch by 18 inch. Claybord comes in standard sizes which makes framing easy. I have done several watercolor paintings on 24 inch by 36 inch claybord panels. It has been great to be able to paint larger works in watercolor and without the chore of paper stretching.

Zeek Taylor
07-18-2004, 01:06 PM
This is another image that I painted on claybord with watercolor. It is 16x20 inch. Also, open for review and any help. Thanks, Zeek Taylor

07-18-2004, 01:32 PM
Thank you Pearl and Zeek for commenting on my "Tulips"! I just visited your home site, Zeek, very beautiful and unique work! I'll try the drybrush technique sometime....so far mine has been "wet in wet" technique. Being a realist by heart, mostly do graphite and colored pencil drawings, the claybord textured has given me some "freedom" to use bright colors and different shapes. Working on another flower on a larger board now...really nice to not have to mat and frame and how original to do handpainted borders! ;)