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Fingers
04-04-2019, 10:25 AM
Cruising the paint section of my local hardware store today I came across and purchased a product I've never seen before: 'Water Based Turps", which was much - much cheaper than ordinary/low-odour turpentine and art store brush-cleaning products.
It was partly described...
"Waterbased Turps is a highly effective water-based alternative to Mineral Turpentine that is safer for you and the environment. The revolutionary formulation contains only biodegradable ingredients and a high-tech mix of low VOC components that are non-toxic, virtually odourless and non-flammable. Waterbased turps can be used to clean all waterbased and most oil based paints from brushes, roller, pads and equipment, incorporating a conditioning agent to leave brushes in a soft and supple condition".

I tried it tonight and it worked amazingly well cleaning oil paint brushes and palette - no discernible odour, seeming to froth-up somewhat as if soap was added to it's ingredients and left brushes and surfaces perfectly clean with minimum effort involved. The label states not suitable for thinning of solvent based paints? but for clean-up it it performed exceptionally well.
I live in Australia and was wondering if anyone has had come across this type of product before ?
Cheers.

Gigalot
04-04-2019, 12:31 PM
A kind of surfactant or a mix of them.

Dcam
04-04-2019, 01:06 PM
This is the closest thing I can find?

http://www.jasco-help.com/product/jasco-green-paint-thinner

AnnieA
04-04-2019, 04:26 PM
This is the closest thing I can find?

http://www.jasco-help.com/product/jasco-green-paint-thinner
If you look at the SDS, that product, while probably better than traditional thinners, still has hazards associated with its use.

Dcam
04-04-2019, 04:50 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2019/183894-Barr.jpg


Annie: Check out Mike Barr: Cityscapes in acrylics.
https://www.artistsnetwork.com/art-mediums/acrylic/mike-barr/
No turps, no. thinners.........water.

AnnieA
04-04-2019, 05:05 PM
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/04-Apr-2019/183894-Barr.jpg
Annie: Check out Mike Barr: Cityscapes in acrylics.
https://www.artistsnetwork.com/art-mediums/acrylic/mike-barr/
No turps, no. thinners.........water.

They're gorgeous paintings, Derek, but I hope you're not suggesting I switch to acrylics! I haven't given up on oils! I'm just struggling with how to get that first loose, expressive, layer done without poisoning either myself or the painting.

Gigalot
04-04-2019, 05:19 PM
I have to use acrylic in my primers, for underpaintings and into my oil painting mediums. Also, I did experiments with parallel use of both, oil and acrylic on the same painting.

Dcam
04-04-2019, 05:24 PM
Annie I use both. Not asking you to switch. But it really is fun using both.
Alex uses it as underpainting.......cool.
If you are concerned with chemicals and solvents it would at least give you a break from exposure? Both mediums have their attributes.


Looks like Mike Barr does oils and acrylics....both.

Fingers
04-05-2019, 12:33 AM
I mention my experience with Water Based Turps” as an effective alternative for oil painters wishing to bypass unpleasant solvent odours, using messy oils or the expensive array of art store cleaning products when cleaning paint brushes and palettes. No difference to cleanups using acrylics as far as I can see.
Pity the label states it's not suitable as a thinner due to alteration in drying factors? (probably because water and oil don't mix)? Most oil painting toxicity problems would be solved if it could be used as a solvent- might experiment just the same...
It's economical at only a bit over half the price of ordinary turpentine.
Not sure of availability in other parts of the world but here is further info on the product for those who may be interested.
https://www.bondall.com/turps-waterbased/#

Seaside Artist
04-05-2019, 01:04 AM
I mention my experience with Water Based Turps” as an effective alternative for oil painters wishing to bypass unpleasant solvent odours, using messy oils or the expensive array of art store cleaning products when cleaning paint brushes and palettes. No difference to cleanups using acrylics as far as I can see.
Pity the label states it's not suitable as a thinner due to alteration in drying factors? (probably because water and oil don't mix)? Most oil painting toxicity problems would be solved if it could be used as a solvent- might experiment just the same...
It's economical at only a bit over half the price of ordinary turpentine.
Not sure of availability in other parts of the world but here is further info on the product for those who may be interested.
https://www.bondall.com/turps-waterbased/#



A cheaper and very successful alternative is good all water and dish detergent for cleaning brushes. No odors at all and oh so cheap! A glass palette is a snap to clean up with no solvents. I do not use OMS and certainly not hardware quality turps of any type in my oils/brushes/paintings. Derek, you dear artist could paint with a twig and mud and turn out an extraordinary vision of art! :clap: IMHO and after 30 years in the art field I bless the day a fellow member of WC shared the information

to go Solvent Free.

Gigalot
04-05-2019, 02:33 AM
You can make emulsion with water and oil paint by adding emulsifier to it. Egg yolk or Medium W can be useful emulsifiers. Then just apply this emulsion on canvas with expressive "carving" manner.

sidbledsoe
04-05-2019, 07:10 AM
It sounds like it is the same type of material as Turpenoid Natural.

Dcam
04-05-2019, 08:45 AM
Angel......:heart:

Fingers
04-06-2019, 02:36 AM
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Re: Water Based Turps
It sounds like it is the same type of material as Turpenoid Natural.
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Yes, seems to be the same stuff for sure Sidblesoe. Was not aware that such a product even existed - never heard of it before. I'm sure it's going to make oil paint cleaning much more agreeable... :)

Dcam
04-06-2019, 10:57 AM
What is that info on Sid all about????

Fingers
04-07-2019, 12:30 AM
It didn't come out right for sure Dcam. My intention was to show the text being responded to in a dark gray background above my post as seems the norm in forums. Thought a simple "highlight/copy/paste" was the way to do it but obviously not? Next time I'll study the site and figure out how it's done correctly.

sidbledsoe
04-07-2019, 10:51 PM
Hails from United States
lol, I don't remember "hailing" but I was born in Detroit!

Fingers
04-08-2019, 10:50 AM
lol, I don't remember "hailing" but I was born in Detroit!
Well- to "hail" with using the "highlight,copy, paste" method any more Sid. Think I've finally worked out how to show quoted texts properly :thumbsup:

sidbledsoe
04-09-2019, 10:41 PM
Fingers,
Here is the complete list of vB codes for WC (http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/misc.php?do=bbcode), these are what the icons are doing when you click on them, they will work if you put them in manually too.

Fingers
04-10-2019, 11:11 AM
Hi Sid - looks pretty complicated for a computer challenged fellow like myself? Had enough trouble just copying and posting a previous quote so should probably stick with the 'KISS' formula and stick with the icons. Cheers.

sidbledsoe
04-10-2019, 09:17 PM
Yeah the icons are easy, but some things don't have an icon,
like say if you want to do something else like embed a video in your post, then you have to type in the code, bracketed around the video link.