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phil alvirez
12-23-2018, 08:30 AM
recently i have been learning about angled brushes and have noticed that the angle varies from brand to band, and even within same brand, depending of the size.
an example is this: https://www.rosemaryandco.com/oil-brushes/new-oil-ranges?filter_tag=the%20tisch&product_id=526
notice that the angle increases as the size diminishes.

these are advertised under a specific name (daggers), but still look as angled to me.
they may have some other properties (that escape to me), but still i would like to learn if there is a difference, and if so, which is it.

so, what do you get from them? how you use them? for doing what?
i have seen Andrew Tischer doing a whole painting with them, but still would like to hear from some1 that has used any angled.
thanks.
this is the link to that thread where he uses the angled brush:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8yjOpDajVo

stapeliad
12-23-2018, 08:57 AM
i'm interested too. I seem to always go for my flats and brights, maybe a filbert here and there.

I'm sure I have a dagger around somewhere but it probably isn't even an oil brush.

chamisa
12-23-2018, 09:51 AM
Nice video ó thanks
Tischer is always so generous in the clear information he gives out.
I love daggers! They give you a lot of options within one brush.
Iíve noticed mine wear out quickly and lose shape, so I may order a couple of the higher quality Rosemary ones.

Seaside Artist
12-24-2018, 03:05 AM
Daggers and angle brushes to 2 different brushes. One will need practice and patience to learn handling these to get the most out of them. I love both, they do not take the place of flats, brights or filberts but are a great addition. Daggers are wonderful for making very fine lines in details. Angle brushes also deliver nice detail strokes depending on how much pressure you apply...shorter strokes usually. Proper cleaning is very important with all brushes, but both are these are especially important to prevent the hairs from getting frizzy. I recommend buying and working with all 5 of these types of brushes and practicing the handling on a practice support to learn control. :thumbsup:

wal_t
12-24-2018, 02:17 PM
Interesting ... i also saw how Andrew Tischler used the dagger in a portrait painting and they look versatile, making both fine lines and bigger marks possible with the same brush .... next I come across them i will buy one to try it out as well.

Walter

Dcam
12-24-2018, 04:28 PM
I love them for landscapes. Sometimes just using one brush can give you a thin edge, wide stroke, or pointy dabs of detail.

stapeliad
12-24-2018, 06:20 PM
ok well that does it. Derek uses them so I'm going to start.

Dcam
12-24-2018, 06:35 PM
Just one thing Jess: the angle MUST be on the left.

stapeliad
12-24-2018, 09:34 PM
....... doesnt that depend on how you hold the brush?

Dcam
12-24-2018, 10:47 PM
:angel: :angel: :angel: .

They really are handy especially with more fluid mixes. Tree trunk, use the whole side.flat.
Branches, use the edge, leaves....the tip.
You can do a whole painting with one brush.

phil alvirez
12-25-2018, 02:56 AM
....... doesnt that depend on how you hold the brush?

i think so. very good observation.
lets watch the video again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8yjOpDajVo
he is right handed, and holds the brush like a pencil-and watch the tip: it is at the left. meaning, the point is at the left side.
so it depends of that.
very important factors indeed.
somebody said that "the devil is in the details" :wink2:
and he loads it...

phil alvirez
12-25-2018, 08:03 AM
before you order: :wave:
i started this thread with the intention to clarify a doubt i had.
when i watched the video i went to the rosemary site:
https://www.rosemaryandco.com/
then searched for oil brushes and ordered 2 'daggers' (thats the way he calls them, isnt it?).
to my surprise, when they arrived didnt look like the 1s he is using on the video. :confused:
hence my quest.
when i realized this i searched again at his videos and on 1 i learned the story of the 'tisch', so tried to order 2 of those, but as they are not shown at the list of oil brushes, i had to get into their 'search' engine to find them. they are not even shown at the catalog, perhaps because were released after they printed it, but at least should add them to the list i think :wink2:
i mention all of this to avoid others to fall into same situation :wave:

so, after all, the brushes that he uses at the video and calls daggers are sort of anglers but called 'tisch' at rosemary. got it? :wink2:

phil alvirez
12-25-2018, 09:47 AM
1 thing that i notice at the video is that his tisch brushes have an angle of about 45 degrees, and this could be the reason that makes them behave different, as all the angled brushes i have seen so far are way less than that (maybe 20 degrees? maybe more?)
when i get the tisch i will be able to compare with the daggers i got from rosemary.
and if some gets them may bring his experiences too.
some examples:

https://www.amazon.com/Angled-Art-Paintbrushes/b?ie=UTF8&node=1285271011

Dcam
12-25-2018, 11:25 AM
:) Guys....it was a joke. Ever hear of the left-handed monkey wrench? :)

phil alvirez
12-26-2018, 05:24 AM
:) Guys....it was a joke. Ever hear of the left-handed monkey wrench? :)

you could be joking, but if any1 watches the video of andrew painting with the angled (aka tisch/dagger), we have evidence that the way he does it works.

so, again, it matters how you do it. :clap:

the question prevails: "doesnt that depend on how you hold the brush? "
yes, it does.

stapeliad
12-26-2018, 09:12 AM
Derek, im sorry my question threw a wrench into your humorous angle!

Dcam
12-26-2018, 09:32 AM
No Problem, I got SIDE- tracked.
:lol:
:wave:
While I have you......was it you or Sid who said they were sending me a Full set of Old Hollands for the Holiday season? Mr. UPS has not shown....what gives?

stapeliad
12-26-2018, 02:57 PM
No Problem, I got SIDE- tracked.
:lol:
:wave:
While I have you......was it you or Sid who said they were sending me a Full set of Old Hollands for the Holiday season? Mr. UPS has not shown....what gives?

:lol:

Oh, that OH set was for YOU?
oops..... :D :angel:

we were... uh..... trying to make sure your wife doesn't get mad at you getting more paint. Yeah, that's it...

Dcam
12-26-2018, 03:59 PM
Oh....wait.... I think it was Alex....yeah that's it.

stapeliad
12-26-2018, 04:52 PM
:lol: yes! It was Alex!

sidbledsoe
12-26-2018, 09:36 PM
I use and angled brush for house painting, I think tole painters use them a lot too.
Here is a neat angled brush (https://express.google.com/u/0/product/17614270604377231948_17606195237747439088_117352056?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=tu_prop&utm_content=eid-lsjeuxoeqt&gtim=CL2_kdKJxK20oQEQrN6b29LR-uOCARigoaADIgNVU0QooKD64QUw-Mz6Nw&utm_campaign=117352056&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6KWfvv2-3wIVxpyzCh1exgalEAkYAiABEgJXZPD_BwE).

stapeliad
12-27-2018, 04:44 PM
Well. Isn't it just funny how things happen.

My friend is moving and I went to help her. She is also clearing out her studio and I adopted a ton of canvases and panels.

She had to go to Jerry's to get a satin varnish, and of course I was up for a trip to Jerry's.

Look what i found, a Rosemary dagger brush.

DEREK: if I use this thing (facing left of course) and my paintings aren't masterpieces like yours, I'm holding you personally responsible.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Dec-2018/53789-brush.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/27-Dec-2018/53789-rm2.jpg

phil alvirez
12-28-2018, 03:44 AM
but it is NOT the 1 that andrew uses at his video ;)
he uses an angled-his own tisch
https://www.rosemaryandco.com/gift-sets/the-tisch-brush-set

although he calls it 'dagger'.
hence the confusion :confused:

but still it is a good brush :wave:

stapeliad
12-28-2018, 10:46 AM
Yeah his are sharper. That's ok, I'm still holding Derek accountable.

Dcam
12-28-2018, 12:02 PM
Jess: That is one COOL brush. See.... you use it as in the photo for stuff on the LEFT of your canvas, then flip it over for the other side of the canvas.
If you don't follow these directions, then I just can't be responsible.

Phil: yes, I know the ones you are talking about. I've used the Dagger and the Angled for years. There is no confusion, and thanks for the thread. :) Hopefully it will inspire our pals to try these unique brushes.

phil alvirez
12-28-2018, 08:37 PM
in case some1 wants to get the 'tisch' brushes here is the link:

https://www.rosemaryandco.com/oil-brushes/new-oil-ranges?filter_tag=the%20tisch&product_id=526

look like angled, are called daggers, and you can not find them in the catalog or the list of oil brushes.

if this is not confusing for some, good for you :clap:

phil alvirez
12-29-2018, 02:02 AM
tisch vs dagger
got the tish, so now i can compare them.
i already got the dagger in same size a few days before. it looks exactly like the pic on post 22.
1-dagger: white, shiny, more rigid, even after washing with soap. looks synthetic.
2-tisch: yellowish, puffy, softer. looks organic.
horses of different color.
so i expect completely different results.
i dont know about the daggers of days before, so cant express my opinion.
now, how they will behave? i expect completely different.
but i have to try them long enough before i dare to tell my experience here.
and again, regarding the tisch, you have to search to find it, as is not in the catalog neither the list, as said on the post before.
or use the link i provided at my post before to buy it.
but if you already have a dagger, and have used long enough to know it, be prepared to find completely different results with tisch.
i think is worth owning both. ;)
if some1 has both, please tell us your experience. :wink2: