postmodern vs modern

[muchfoolishness]

i read somewhere recently

the modernist view is framed by our relationship to production

whereas

the postmodernist view is framed by our relationship to consumption

interesting
sad
we see the world not in terms of addition but subtraction

[Tamana]

vs. possession for a me
...

sounds like historical progression to me
from an arty point of view

[muchfoolishness]

sorry i dont understand what you are saying

[Tamana]

I dont think I do either, but, Ill try again...

(sidenote - this keyboard equal key doesnt work)

production equals giving

consumption equals taking

People use to care more for the value of things as they relate to the world. Now it seems they care more about the possession of things for themselves.

It use to be about more than self.
It use to be more about art.

Its what the worlds evolving to it seems.

[muchfoolishness]

perhaps not towards but through

[pipicacassosso]

The modernist view is framed by our relationship to production
The post modernist view is framed by our relationship to consumption
and The ultra modernist view is framed by our relationship to corruption

[Tamana]

:)

[Keith Russell]

The Modern period existed in a specific time period, which is now generally considered over. It ended somewhere between the late 60s and early 70s.

We are (as far as I know) still in the 'PostModern' period--which is not related to either production or consumption, but to extreme 'philosophical subjectivism', the result of (far) too much 'linguistic analysis'...

K

[muchfoolishness]

:)
i thought it was interesting not definitive

perhaps it is a postmodern (philisophically subjective) definition

:p

[muchfoolishness]

the last quote i read of derrida was that the only thing he was prepared to say about the post modern was that it was postmodern
im not sure if he was being post modern

[imagenov]

It was S. I. Hayakawa, I believe, who (in the 1960s?) offered this thought: The meanings of words are not in the words themselves; they are in us!

[pamelion]

we know modern means philosophically antique
and postmodern it seems is no longer so chic
the post-postmodern at least has a label
but no definition, it's still merely fable
mathematically +post-post leaves modern, that's clear
redefining advance as a move to the rear
but really wassup is much harder to get
it's a new philosophical virtual net

Pamelion+-

[Artaton]

Production In our time is for consumption ......not many people produce product for the sake of product.....they want to "sell " what they make. Most Artist are in this category.....they want to sell what they make. There are some who use the creative energy to change thought, to change reality( thoughts manifest reality......you are what you think..)......"Giving" is in a class of its own.....one gives of what one has, for the benefit of the other.....be it made, grown or just a kind word.......The making of ART is a powerful endeavor, spiritual, magical......the long list of detailed definitions fall short ot the truth.....Art is Art....................Art speaks for itself!

Keith Russell said it best so far:

"We are (as far as I know) still in the 'PostModern' period--which is not related to either production or consumption, but to extreme 'philosophical subjectivism', the result of (far) too much 'linguistic analysis'... "

Yep as they say......the Bull may die but the Bull **** lives on!
Be creative for the energy it causes...Make Art because of your passion , for others, for the Universe.

[muchfoolishness]

*bows to artaton*
art as a way of being

[mame]

Postmodern theorist Ihab Hassan offers this:

MODERNISM ------------------------- POSTMODERNISM

Form(conjunctive/closed) ---- Antiform(disjunctive/open)

Purpose ----- Play

Design ----- Chance

Hierarchy ---------- Anarchy

Art Object/Finished Work-------Process/Performance

(nothing for Modernism) -----------Happening

Presence ------- Absence

Centering -------- Dispersal

Genre/Boundary ----------- Text/Intertext

Root/Depth -------- Rhizome/Surface

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the beauty of the thing succumbed to the value of the thing

[brushstroked]

Order ------------------ Chaos?

I've never been a fan of postmodernism because I only like things I can understand.

For those of you who have never seen it, follow this link to generate a random postmodern essay which is guaranteed to fry your brain.

http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/

Here's just a short example:

"Art is part of the genre of narrativity," says Bataille; however, according to Werther[1] , it is not so much art that is part of the genre of narrativity, but rather the rubicon, and subsequent meaninglessness, of art. An abundance of situationisms concerning the failure, and some would say the defining characteristic, of posttextual class exist. However, Sartre suggests the use of cultural capitalism to challenge elitist perceptions of narrativity."

:confused:

[brushstroked]

Originally posted by Tamana
the beauty of the thing succumbed to the value of the thing

Oh now I get it....this thread isn't even really about postmodernism per se ... it's about greed as a motivator. Right/wrong?

Would a lobotomy help me?

[Tamana]

and...

I dont know.

I DO know I want to go paint now.
:)

[nickyclark]

Originally posted by Keith Russell
The Modern period existed in a specific time period, which is now generally considered over. It ended somewhere between the late 60s and early 70s.

We are (as far as I know) still in the 'PostModern' period--which is not related to either production or consumption, but to extreme 'philosophical subjectivism', the result of (far) too much 'linguistic analysis'...

K

which makes us all post modernists

[Tamana]

Originally posted by brushstroked


Oh now I get it....this thread isn't even really about postmodernism per se ... it's about greed as a motivator. Right/wrong?

Would a lobotomy help me?

Work. Paint. Study. I hope youre sleeping well.

Im not so sure its about greed so much as self, or power, or control, or increase of each, or all.

Originally posted by nickyclark
which makes us all post modernists

chaching...

[Gar]

"The Future is Now."