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francjs
04-07-2018, 06:04 AM
Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has experience using System 3. I looked at some posts, and I see some love it, and some say it's not very good.

I'm using Goldens mostly, and student grade paint for blocking things in. I noticed that Galeria doesn't cover much. But I got an ultramarine and a titanium white from System 3, the regular bodied ones, did a brief side-by-side comparison with Golden, to see how well they covered a stripe of burnt umber.

I could not see a major difference, also in the color when dried, which surprises me, as the difference in price is significant. I realise I need to play around more. I'm asking myself if there is that much difference in the end, to justify the cost, before I go out and replace some tubes that are almost finished. Has anyone for example done a blind test? I'd like to hear what your experience is.

Dcam
04-07-2018, 12:54 PM
I have two colors in system 3 that are so unique, I keep buying new tubes:
Wedgwood blue ( Great for snow shadows ). and Pistachio.
Check them out.

Charlie's Mum
04-07-2018, 04:04 PM
I'm still using some System3 from 16 or 17 years ago whereas some of Rowneys artist grade paints, much newer, have dried out or separated ... mostly I use Liquitex and W&N artist quality, but Sys 3 compare favourably I think.

janinco
04-07-2018, 11:48 PM
I love them (especially the price). I think they're much higher pigment load than most student acrylics. The earth tones do tend to separate if you get the tubes, so I use a skewer like a plunger to mix well before squirting onto my palette. They're not as "buttery" as some higher end artist paints, but work fine for me.

I did an experiment to check drying shift and there was almost no difference between them wet and dry so I don't have to compensate as much for that. The main reason I started using them was because I'm allergic to almost all acrylic formulations and I have no reactions to the System 3 line.

Jan

hmshood5
04-08-2018, 09:55 AM
I love System 3s, and use them where I can. Sadly, they seem to be getting harder to find around here.

janinco
04-08-2018, 09:31 PM
If you live in the US, Hobby Lobby stores carry them. If you use the 40% off coupon that makes them about $3.60 for a large 150 ml / 5.1 oz tube, but you can only use it on one at a time. Many WalMart stores are carrying the 75 ml / 2 oz tubes for $3. Online Dick Blick has a pretty good price...$4.75 for the 150 ml tubes.

Jan

hmshood5
04-08-2018, 10:25 PM
If you live in the US, Hobby Lobby stores carry them. If you use the 40% off coupon that makes them about $3.60 for a large 150 ml / 5.1 oz tube, but you can only use it on one at a time. Many WalMart stores are carrying the 75 ml / 2 oz tubes for $3. Online Dick Blick has a pretty good price...$4.75 for the 150 ml tubes.

Jan
The Hobby Lobbies in our area seem to have stopped carrying them, and the ones in Walmart are very basic colors.

francjs
04-09-2018, 10:26 AM
Thank you all for your input. Now that I'm finishing several of the tubes of colour that I bought originally, I will buy three primaries and Burt Umber of System 3, plus while, and run a test to see if there is any major difference in the way the paints cover, and if I can tell at the end if the painting was done with student acrylics. I suspect that there will be difference in coverage.... despite my earlier brief test, I would be surprised if there wasn't one, given the price difference...

cinderblockstudios
04-25-2018, 11:12 PM
Oh yeah System 3 and Galeria acrylics are pretty much garbage in a tube. I recall using them around the time I first started, and when I made the switch to professional acrylics it was a night and day difference.

It's important to note that how well something covers doesn't denote quality. Some paints are more transparent others are more opaque. It really depends on what pigment we're talking about. If you're using Golden already, I'd suggest not downgrading from them. Instead chase the sales for similar quality paints like Liquitex Professional and Winsor and Newton.

shadwell
04-29-2018, 11:32 PM
system 3 is a bit of an enigma whilst not being too bad for a student quality it can be hit and miss in use regarding results ,, it was some of my first used paints and some still remain in my box .. a decision I have never regretted was to convert over to atelier interactives ,, but as I advance in my skill sets I have the opinion that no paint is useless as even week pigment loads can be just the thing for glazes etc

an early work of mine that would have used system 3 the riders shirt will be without doubt system 3 as I use a selection of paints it is memorable as only system 3 had that magenta colour or only one I bought anyway ..

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2018/208070-_DSC5950.jpg

there are certain to be system 3 colours in this work also ...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/29-Apr-2018/208070-_DSC6253.jpg

cliff.kachinske
04-30-2018, 10:01 AM
I agree with Shadwell on this.

When I first started painting ALL the paints were garbage in a tube, but somehow over time they've improved. Perhaps they just needed aging, like fine wines.