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ronsu18
03-06-2018, 03:47 PM
sometimes paintings take off and drag you behind.

i'd like to keep the walls, the vertical elements and the large figure with its shadow-like elements in the middle.

at this rudimentary stage, with no final color anywhere, before you start zooming in suspecting human figures to be found;
even with the glare of two layers of mica on most parts, on pure design:
do the vertical shapes have meaning? do they belong? your gut reaction?

i think it's pulling in two directions.


http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/06-Mar-2018/2045445-20180306_222933.jpg

c&c welcome

Katie Black
03-06-2018, 06:34 PM
I am not sure what you are getting at with this piece..but that could just be me lol! :)

Re the vertical shapes, they confuse me, but I am sure someone else will chime in.

ronsu18
03-06-2018, 07:47 PM
I am not sure what you are getting at with this piece..but that could just be me lol! :)

:) nahh i'm pretty sure that's my que... but being this lost every little thing helps!
i made a quick mock up on the phone app to exorcise the smaller figures

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that's probably the way to go, with just the geometry in relation to the one large figure, but once those little figures 'appeared' it feels sort of lacking without them. sigh.
the lines in the black and white image are now half the story. something is wrong in numbers or proportions, somewhere. maybe the orange sketch of a shadow needs to be black.

thanks for commenting!:wave:

cliff.kachinske
03-06-2018, 08:19 PM
This is a hub and spokes composition - not sure about having the spokes converge in the dead zone in the center of the painting.

It is possible to make it work, but it's not easy.

La_
03-06-2018, 09:41 PM
i don't mind the extra characters
but the 'black' on the verticals competes more than necessary

la

graphicali
03-07-2018, 01:16 AM
I concur that the black elements, especially those two triangle shapes on the left, are in the way. I also feel as though the vanishing point is off somehow. Maybe that was intentional? It feels like it should be to the left...

Bilateral
03-07-2018, 01:45 AM
I like the small figures and the surreal aspect of the black verticals, almost like floating perches.
Your idea is an interesting one, but I'm not sure about the use of quadrants pointing to a center that has no visual interest for me. You could go a couple of ways on this, either paring back or adding more. It would be great to see you lose a little control on this one as you work through it mentally. If you don't like it........white gesso :). There are no fatal errors in painting and always new discoveries to be made.
Keep posting your progress.

ronsu18
03-07-2018, 08:54 AM
reading these responses was as exciting as painting.

@cliff.kachinske; this was really helpful, your words connected with the idea immediately. circles, arcs, repetition - already begun with the shadow shapes. great big thank you!

@La_ thank you! and @graphicali, thanks so much! this will be a soft, unanimously greywhite, mica shimmering 2D painting with impasto, the color of the figure might remain grey but mixed grey instead of the out-the-tube underpainting shade seen, the round circles will be in strong, stark darkish colors. the aim is to have the existing main shapes come through as glimpses with harsh contrast, lack of shine and the large areas in minor value variations.
(i may be a beginner painter but also an accomplished dreamer. :thumbsup: )

@Bilateral thank you! the small figures appeared with the technique where you just enhance shapes in underpainting. they sort of helped me understand the image thoroughly. as for the gesso - gotta bucket of it, plus, the sherlock holmes to your morning after whodunnit remorse: schmincke norma opaque white.

blushing, but fourth attempt with more glare but proper angle to show the dead enter vanishing point and the geometry.

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thank you all!

cliff.kachinske
03-07-2018, 10:23 AM
There's a reason why it's called the "dead center." The viewer's eye follows the diagonals into the center and stops there and the viewer's interest dies.

ronsu18
03-07-2018, 11:33 AM
true!
it's possible that the center position will be one of the actors on stage, if i only manage to produce the full scope of the idea on canvas.
going forward with one more contrast&color layer focusing on subtle arches. then comes the main character of this play, the white overall cover and i'm hiding the little people. when that is in place, the lines will naturally still be there but in a suggestive manner. fingers crossed and let the double loading exercises begin!

cliff.kachinske
03-07-2018, 03:19 PM
Good luck.

Artchrispy
03-07-2018, 05:09 PM
I sort of like how the channel disappears way in the center distance. The composition does suck the eye in. You could always crop it down from the top if you wanted to change the focal point. The one figure seems to be pointing at something in the distance, which at this stage is raising our expectations :)

ronsu18
03-07-2018, 05:56 PM
i was going to say something but instead clicked the link in your sig. The transporter lock might have been affected by the ion storm and i've just materialized somewhere else!

Artchrispy
03-07-2018, 06:06 PM
Ah, an exchange? If you're here, then.....

saje
03-07-2018, 08:21 PM
this piece has its own character to create its own momentum. let it continue its own journey before it loses its sovereignty.

ronsu18
03-07-2018, 09:49 PM
@saje; well said.
i've never painted something in order to understand why it needs to be painted over. solving the large figure now.

@artchrispy; you're referring to johns' thread and yes, your images are alive, much beauty, humour, surprise and intelligence in a mix. the texts should be printed and framed to accompany the art.

KreativeK
03-08-2018, 09:57 AM
Welcome to WetCanvas! ronsu; this is a very interesting and intriguing piece. I'll follow along on the WIP to see where your journey takes us.

Artchrispy
03-08-2018, 10:06 AM
@artchrispy; you're referring to johns' thread .[/QUOTE]

No I was responding to your Star Trek reference about the ion storm. My comment was a quote of the next line in the script for that specific episode (Mirror Mirror) you were referencing. But thanks for your kind comments about my blog. They made my day :)

ronsu18
03-08-2018, 02:50 PM
@KreativeK; thank you! :) almost six years lurking, slow progressing, hungry student here, enjoying the welcome! 40yrs of art experience, 6 of painting. feels like "a lot of catching up to do".

@Artchrispy good to hear, now back to production! :)

Eraethil
03-09-2018, 08:31 PM
You've got a lot of comp (osition and etition) going on here. The figure is a natural focal point due to it's contrast with the manufactured figures. The crossing point in the centre is another. The flag poles and the posts are paired up so that they also become focal pairings. And finally the highest contrast in terms of colour is the red echo of the figure to its surrounds.

The trick will be how you create relationships between all of these points/areas of interest so that they don't compete for attention and scare the eye away with too much.

Continue the journey. Sometimes our best learnings and works come from the biggest challenges we set for ourselves!

ronsu18
03-10-2018, 05:42 PM
thank you Eraethil, i hope your group exhibition was a success!

recording process more than progress, to show the intent with this.
i doodle on my old phone, it has a stylus. it's a blunt instrument at best, without zoom, so this is nothing but a drunk elephant in a china shop regarding execution.

found a soft ellipse i like, really fond of the way the white looks. now loving the verticals (not their colors) and hating the figure plus the shadows are murder. that's my process, nothing to worry about. it's a storm, this way and that, always.


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i really like looking at the project folder page so i'm sharing that too. maybe someone finds inspiration for their sunday painting in this :wave:


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thanks for looking, have a good weekend!

ronsu18
03-26-2018, 07:19 AM
hi,
time for the white project in wip rotation.

this painting is now technically unsound with large amounts of safflower mid-painting with linseed paints and alkyd medium. bad research, newbie problems etcetc. i even corked some of my pricey safflower mussinis, acquired for bright finishing glazes, thinking maybe this is the project to learn their secrets.

consequently the painting turned first into a lost cause and then into a playground!


previous stage on top, yesterday's session below
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it's fun to just experiment - mussini brilliant scarlet. gorgeous!
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plenty of dried areas to cover today. i see... experimenting with cold and warm grey mixes.
wishing you inspiration!

ronsu18
04-13-2018, 09:41 AM
updating...
the left side is beginning to resemble a painting. too many wonky things here; the red vent and left lower line are going to be in strict linear perspective. switching from L&B white to Rembrandt white next for more light. latest layer was both darks and warms. the stippling in the middle in the blue area is a newbie mistake, the middle will be mostly white soon.

no discernible direction with the character, first time inventing clothing on a symbol... it's too plump now, associations go to tire ads. either rowing, or grasping deploying the right lower line will be implied when finished.

thanks for looking, have a good weekend! :wave:

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graphicali
04-13-2018, 09:58 AM
If life was too easy it wouldn't be any fun! It looks like you are enjoying yourself anyway and I am also enjoying watching your progress. Looking forward to seeing the final outcome.

Katie Black
04-13-2018, 10:48 AM
It sounds like your having fun and experimenting.

I will be interested to see where you go with this one. :)

ronsu18
04-13-2018, 10:50 AM
thanks graphicgali!
i don't dare think what this ""progress"" looks like here amidst mostly acrylics! this is how it always happens for me, meandering in and out of the canvas, brush in hand thinking on it, unthinking back.. :)

@Katie Black, thank you! it's fun and scary at the same time. nothing quite like it!

graphicali
04-13-2018, 10:58 AM
Everything fits in here oils, acrylics, digital, et al. Experimenting is good!

Psych Art
04-14-2018, 05:27 PM
For some reason the vertical posts with triangular flags make me think of a somehow animated golf course I of course dont see it as a finished piece but i honestly can see it all working together but that is how my mind operates lol

ronsu18
04-15-2018, 08:33 AM
thank you! :lol: i find it's the best part about non-figurative art, it not only allows but encourages your brain to do its' thanggg. sharing that is twice the fun :)

Trier
04-16-2018, 10:46 AM
Hey ronsu -

Compared to the other commentators, I know nothing about painting and even less about abstract, but want to contribute anyway.

It feels like the title ought to be 'Dali's Hallway' and therefore the black flags and verticals ought to lighten as they recede.

I like the "dead center" aspect as showing 'nothing' as it suggests that maybe there will be something else down the infinite hall that will make sense, or not.

Fun.

Regards,
Trieer

ronsu18
04-16-2018, 11:50 AM
sometimes days appear to have themes. today's theme is inspiration in unexpected ways.

'Dali's Hallway'
starting with the way those words look together with the citation marks - i love it!

the perspective is possibly a hoax. if the person is holding on to the right lower line as if it is a rope, it would be a nod to a built scene, the props in the world. what would add to the building blocks-mood would, however, be unrealistically strong atmospheric effect on the verticals... hmmm. research mode activated!
not bad at all for a politely-not-painter :) thank you! so much Trier :wave:

Hairy wolf
04-16-2018, 12:00 PM
Even though I live in Catalunya, I dislike Dali vigorously.
Two great Catalan artists - Miro and Tapies - liked his work even less.
Cheers

ronsu18
04-16-2018, 12:20 PM
:heart:
oh yikes i can't talk to you you're my idol.
when i die i'm going back in time and come back as you. Dali can't touch that.

Hairy wolf
04-16-2018, 12:40 PM
Ron, you are Ron, right? What do you smoke?? Excuse me for asking.
Coherence does not seem your relative strength.

ronsu18
04-16-2018, 06:37 PM
Ron, you are Ron, right? What do you smoke??
:lol:
i'm afraid to try drugs, i might turn ordinary...
if you mean to inquire whether i'm a male, i'm not.

Coherence does not seem your relative strength.
true! hence the :heart: .