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SeaScapePtr
01-07-2017, 10:58 PM
I'm having a really hard time finding what is the best tablet computer for art right now. There's so many seemingly discontinued Samsung models cluttering up the space on Amazon and it's hard to even find what the newest ones are and whether you can draw on them. I want one that's great for both drawing/painting and general use, such as watching youtube videos.

keenart
01-12-2017, 08:50 PM
MAC has always been the best computer and almost always gets the best art and graphic software long before my Windows PC does. However, I know nothing about MAC.

SeaScapePtr
01-12-2017, 10:58 PM
Well I found it seems the ipad pro is the best one right now and the 12.9" is the biggest one. It has tons of power, more than some laptops. They say it's really great for art. People rave about the ipad pencil too. I think I will buy the 12.9" with 256gb and wifi. Procreate is popular on it and 1 or 2 other painting software are popular. Anyone know if you can run Blender on it?

keenart
01-12-2017, 11:34 PM
Blender which I have was built for Intel based computers. That means that some of the key pad commands for Apple and Mac are not in Blender. I understand that there is a different keypad that some use to install Blender on the iPad, but most say stay away and use Blender on Windows for now.

SeaScapePtr
01-15-2017, 06:26 PM
Blender which I have was built for Intel based computers. That means that some of the key pad commands for Apple and Mac are not in Blender. I understand that there is a different keypad that some use to install Blender on the iPad, but most say stay away and use Blender on Windows for now.

OH so if I wanted to use Blender on a tablet it'd be on MS Surface?

keenart
01-15-2017, 08:16 PM
As stated before not the MAC guy and it seems there are different opinions given to me, so, I went to blender and you should study the versions for what machines that are available before you make your decision.

https://www.blender.org/download/

I have a lot of trouble with freeware on my PC and recently found that my AMD does not support some of the instruction sets that are required to run Blender, Inkscape, and so on. So stay with either an Intel or MAC.

SeaScapePtr
01-15-2017, 08:46 PM
The Surface Book looks good.
I'm liking the $2600 version with i7 cpu and 1tb hd.

keenart
01-15-2017, 09:09 PM
Excellent! I am still working on my four year old AMD wish I had an i5. My next will certainly be an i7. :lol:

lupiter
01-16-2017, 07:05 AM
You won't be able to run software like Blender or Photoshop on an iPad Pro (I say typing on one!). If you do go that route, I'd recommend Procreate for digital painting. I don't know anything about 3D so I can't recommend a Blender alternative.

If you like macs, then a Cintiq + a MacBook is as portable as it gets... and the cintiq will still tie you to a power point.

If you like or are willing to explore Windows then I would recommend the Surface Pro 4, it's over a year old at this point, but it's still the best Windows tablet with a pen input. The other main contender is the Wacom tablet PC line, but be ready to pay twice as much! I liked Manga Studio when I had a Windows tablet.

SeaScapePtr
01-16-2017, 08:29 PM
If you like macs, then a Cintiq + a MacBook is as portable as it gets... and the cintiq will still tie you to a power point.


Why are you combining a cintiq with a macbook? How are they going to work together? What relationship do they have with each other?

lupiter
01-16-2017, 10:02 PM
Why are you combining a cintiq with a macbook? How are they going to work together? What relationship do they have with each other?

I'm not saying it's really a tablet! It's just as close as you can get to a tablet that's a Mac, i.e. not very close at all. (I guess excluding the ModBook, if they're still making those.)

A cintiq is a pen-enabled external display, it could be used with a Windows computer or a Mac, but of course there are real Windows tablets that fit the request much better. :thumbsup:

keenart
01-16-2017, 11:46 PM
I have a USB powered Wacom for my PC and it also supports MAC. The Cintiqu are now older pen tablets. Wacom is pushing the Intuos Pro, I do not know anything about this pen tablet but it does support the following OS;
MacOSX - Driver 6.3.20-4 (Mac OS X 10.10, 10.11, & 10.12)

lupiter
01-17-2017, 12:03 AM
I have a USB powered Wacom for my PC and it also supports MAC. The Cintiqu are now older pen tablets. Wacom is pushing the Intuos Pro, I do not know anything about this pen tablet but it does support the following OS;
MacOSX - Driver 6.3.20-4 (Mac OS X 10.10, 10.11, & 10.12)

Wacom has 4 main lines, but depending on where you live this can change! I have a "One By Wacom" that I believe is mainly sold in India, and sometimes by Aldi in Australia. :eek:

Intuos: Consumer line of USB pen tablets (with no screen), all work with Mac and PC. (previously known as Bamboo)
Intuos Pro: Pro line of USB pen tablets (with no screen), all work with mac and PC. (previously known as just Intuos)
Cintiq: Pro line of external monitors for Mac and PC, with pen input. To be used in a drafting-table like setup.
MobileStudio: Pro line of Windows-based pen-enabled tablets. In Australia, these start at $2,500, so not cheap.

If you're used to "tablets" meaning "things like iPads", it's weird to see Wacom calling the Intous products "tablets" when they don't have a screen.

keenart
01-17-2017, 12:43 AM
My error, My Bamboo does not have a screen, just a nice shinny silver surface. I do have several touch screen tablets and a Lenovo touch screen PC. I use the larger Lenovo AMD Desktop for all of my work so I am not mobile by any means.

tiago.dagostini
01-17-2017, 09:01 AM
MAC has always been the best computer and almost always gets the best art and graphic software long before my Windows PC does. However, I know nothing about MAC.


Considering that hardware wise current macs are just MID END PCs, that is not true anymore. You can buy a PC 2 times more powerful for half the price.

LavenderFrost
01-17-2017, 11:18 AM
If you're used to "tablets" meaning "things like iPads", it's weird to see Wacom calling the Intous products "tablets" when they don't have a screen.

Some of us were used to the Wacoms already being called tablets. :lol: Now you have to specify which you are talking about. Most people are not familiar with drawing tablets though. Long ago I asked if they had any at a Staples and they took me to the paper section.

I was hoping Barb would look in here, she has an iPad pro, and the pen that goes with it, and there's a app that only works with it, forget what it's called.

Personally I still prefer painting on my pc with my Intuos. I feel like I can be more accurate than when painting on an iPad screen. But I don't have a good stylus, which could make a big difference.

I do like iPad for Procreate. That would be my main influence in choosing. I could not find an app that I liked as much for android. Procreate is very versatile, plus it seems to be the only one that has the controls for brush size and opacity on the side. You can easily change then at any time and they are not in the way.

lupiter
01-17-2017, 06:02 PM
Considering that hardware wise current macs are just MID END PCs, that is not true anymore. You can buy a PC 2 times more powerful for half the price.

Given the OP asked for a tablet computer, and there isn't really a Mac tablet... let's leave the Mac vs. PC.... and cintiq issue.... sorry for introducing the cintiq and confusing the OP!

Without considering price, the best options (in my opinion) are:

iPad Pro 12.1" with Apple Pencil
Microsoft Surface Pro 4
Wacom MobileStudio Pro

With an honourable mention to the Samsung Tab with S Pen line of tablets, the latest being (I believe) the Samsung Tab A 10.1 with S Pen (wikipedia) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_series#Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_A_10.1_.E2.80.93_2016).

If you're already in love with some particular software such as Photoshop or Clip Studio, then the Microsoft or Wacom options are best. If you're not, consider the iPad.

You can find cheaper pen-enabled Windows tablets, I used to have an Asus one, but be prepared for an experience that cuts corners. The Asus pen was very thin, had a button that was hard to press, the power button on the tablet was unreliable, it was really slow etc.

keenart
01-18-2017, 06:07 PM
tiago.dagost; Yes, after reading a little about Gates changing the MAC OS, demanding hardware changes, I am not surprised, and of course the demise of Jobs. However, the Mac has that stigma and most programmers seem bound to author software for the MAC above all else. That being true Corel has really made an attempt to drive down that mystique with the new Corel Painter 2017. In addition, I am impressed by all of the new software based on Intel from the programmers of the art community and look forward to the next five years for ground breaking technologies in digital media, even if I am the traditional paint by brush who only dabbles in digital.

DebLewis
01-20-2017, 03:31 PM
If you like macs, then a Cintiq + a MacBook is as portable as it gets... and the cintiq will still tie you to a power point.



If you have a Macbook/Mac and an iPad... it is worth the $20 to get Astropad and turn your iPad into a Cintiq.. You'll be able to use full Photoshop/Corel/Manga Studio.. etc on your iPad through your Mac.. it is extremely responsive!

lupiter
01-22-2017, 06:29 PM
If you have a Macbook/Mac and an iPad... it is worth the $20 to get Astropad and turn your iPad into a Cintiq.. You'll be able to use full Photoshop/Corel/Manga Studio.. etc on your iPad through your Mac.. it is extremely responsive!

I've tried Astropad on my 12" iPad, I'm not sure if it's my computer that is too slow or what but I've struggled using Manga Studio (used to use it on Windows tablet). Very slow, tracking my stylus was just way too laggy so I just use iPad software now. \_(ツ)_/

Also only works if you're near your computer, i.e. you can't leave it at home :).

tiago.dagostini
01-26-2017, 07:02 AM
tiago.dagost; Yes, after reading a little about Gates changing the MAC OS, demanding hardware changes, I am not surprised, and of course the demise of Jobs. However, the Mac has that stigma and most programmers seem bound to author software for the MAC above all else. That being true Corel has really made an attempt to drive down that mystique with the new Corel Painter 2017. In addition, I am impressed by all of the new software based on Intel from the programmers of the art community and look forward to the next five years for ground breaking technologies in digital media, even if I am the traditional paint by brush who only dabbles in digital.


Considering I am a programmer working exactly on the field developing computer vision tech to be used on future products.. (sorry contract does not allow me to say what final product company hires the company I work to develop that). I can say that is not completely true. Most programmers HATE to work for the mac. But the marketing departments usually demand us to do so. Macs (Desktop and notebooks) are purely "intel" tech for ages already, but the operating system is a huge annoyance for developers due to unique ... "quirks"...

Nowadays 90% of the quality of your workstation is in the software..(since the processing hardware is the same no matter the brand) the other 10% is in the tablet hardware :P

Unfortunately the marketing trends are pushing for everything to be done " in the cloud" or in a Tablet (on the word sense that apple uses), that will result in a DRASTIC drop in real advancements since the drawbacks are huge.I foresee some few dark years ahead because of that.

lupiter
01-29-2017, 05:59 PM
Considering I am a programmer working exactly on the field developing computer vision tech to be used on future products.. (sorry contract does not allow me to say what final product company hires the company I work to develop that). I can say that is not completely true. Most programmers HATE to work for the mac. But the marketing departments usually demand us to do so.

:wave: I'm also a programmer, and we're forced to develop for Windows but we would much rather do iOS or Mac (or Linux). Maybe we should swap companies :lol:

b'anna
02-03-2017, 09:16 PM
It depends on what you want to do. As someone mentioned, blender is not available for Ipads. The ipad pro is wonderful for art. It has not only Procreate but a few more very powerful applications. The Apple pencil is almost better than the pen for wacom tablets. And with the development of some of the ipad software, I think this makes a good alternative to the Surface pro. The plus for the surface pro will let you load any pc program but I'm not familiar with how good there stylus is. If you have some experience with PC digital painting software, this might be the way to go. The other alternative is the Wacom Mobil pro. This is not cheap but in my opinion, the best of the best. The weight has come down significantly since the Wacom companion first came out but it would still be heavier than the surface. The battery life is not as long as the ipad and I don't know about the Surface.But You can load any PC program and take it with you. This one is a full computer. If I had to choose again between the ipad pro 12.9 and the Mobil pro, it would be a close race.

JanisBjoern
02-09-2017, 04:05 AM
Hallo
I have an Asus Transformer Book wich is a combo from laptop and tablet it runs win10 and I can do artrage and even gimp with it I don't know how it would be with 3D stuff but that's not my buisness

creando
02-19-2017, 03:29 PM
I've been using almost every tablet and drawing gadget out in the market since several years. This is my advice on hardware, software and tablet. I am coming from a traditional background with real media so I've needed to try everything in order to feel comfortable with digital.

Hardware:
* In 2017 it is not so important whether you use Windows Laptop or a brand new Macbook Pro. Right now there are many laptops more powerful than the best Mac. Times have changed. Unless for some reason you need to use exclusively Mac software (unlikely, since the most powerful digital software available Photoshop and Corel Painter can be used in both machines) then use whatever you like and can afford.
For sure you will need a powerful machine. I am talking about 2D, if you use 3D with Blender or similar the requirements rise quite a lot.


Software:
* Photoshop clearly dominates the market of digital art. If you hesitate visit a pro site like ArtStation and see the software used by the top artists in this industry. This is for a reason. All the built-in "special fx" of Corel painter can be created in PS if you like. Same for mixing paint and traditional-like tools. All can be done in PS, the point is that it does not come by default like in Corel Painter, but you can create the tools.
* Corel Painter. IMO this is an overcomplicated software. It is easy to waste months tweaking all the buttons and sliders of every single preset. It does a good job at emulating real media, but it can be done in PS too.
* Procreate. Amazing piece of software for US$5. Difficult to believe. For sure it can't compare to Phtoshop but by far is the best software designed for an iPad Pro. Now it exports to PS and importing from PS into Procreate keeping the PS layers (when the iPad RAM allows).

Tablets:
Monopole is for Wacom, the only possible competitor is the iPad pro.

Wacom Intuos Pro.
* I've have three Wacom Intuos, right now I use a Wacom Intuos Pro 2015 in Medium size for the large display home, and another one in Small size to use with the laptop.
It is the most versatile, powerful, pressure sensitive and professional tablet I've ever used.
It just needs one cable (or none if you like to use it wireless). They have just launched in 2017 a "Paper version" which (in addition) allows to use a wacom pen to draw with paper on the tablet.


Wacom Cintiq.
I wanted to feel the difference of drawing directly on the surface. I did not like the drawing feeling, it is a piece of glass and there is a noticeable gap btw the tip of the pen and the drawing. The gap is ever more significant close to the edges, to me this is a no-go (I was in show with this lack of quality).
It needs too many cables! really too many. Right now I do not use it, it was a mistake and want to sell it.
The "touch" feature of the Cintiq is poor. Compared to turning the canvas with the fingers with an iPad pro the difference is huge.

Ipad Pro.
The hardware itself is amazing. The drawing experience with Procreate and the Apple Pencil is magic. I have compared this for more than one year already and is much better than the Cintiq.
Now, the point is to be able to use a full version of Photoshop with the iPad Pro but it does not exist... yet.
However there is a promising solution: Astropad.

Astropad Studio is the Pro version of the software. It has improved a lot in the last years but it lacks two features.
1-The pressure sensitivity is much worse than (for example) a Wacom Intuos. They claim they are preparing an Editable Pressure Curve, but it is still not there.
2-The hover function. Astropad cannot provide hover function. This is not the fault of the software: the Apple Pencil "1" does not have hover function so it is not possible to know the "mark" of the pencil before actually touching the screen. This is a no-go for me. I need to see the size of the brush and the position hovering over the tablet, like I do with the Wacom Intuos.

IMO when Astropad studio will eventually fix these two issues it will be an amazing solution and will make many users sell their Cintiqs.

I am awaiting for April-May 2017 when Apple will hopefully launch a new improved Apple Pencil "2" with (hopefully! ) hover function and then I will move all-in with Astropad, Photoshop and the iPad Pro. For the time being I keep my Wacom Intuos Pro that never fails.


hope this helps.
Pedro

HarvestMoon
05-29-2017, 07:08 PM
The iPad Pro is great for my needs. They have a pen stylus and you can easily do any kind of painting that you want. You can draw right on the screen. Procreate is really nice to use, and allows you to import a photo and draw right on top of it, then you can turn off the photo since you can make layers. I have not found a way to add text and more sophisticated things, but it takes very little time to be able to use it, unlike Adobe software.

chewy
05-30-2017, 08:25 PM
I use mac and apple is really going downhill for end users. There are so many apple products that havent been updated in a long time. Even the ipad pro 12.9 is two years old now. They try and sell these products like Imac and mac mini
and mac pro that are several generations (2+ years old in most cases) old for premium prices. I like apple but in this case im not drinking the coolaid and buying old computers for maximum profit. These days I would look at Wacom Mobile Studio Pro.

pandapandaa
07-03-2017, 07:08 AM
hey guys :wave: , can you say which platform the best to work on? in terms of functionality and accessibility. pros and cons