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12ocrow
12-29-2016, 11:28 PM
MY IMAGE(S):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/upload_spool/12-29-2016/1991391_006_edit.JPG


GENERAL INFORMATION:
Title: Untitled
Year Created:
Medium: Pencil
Surface: Board
Dimension: 4.5 x 6
Allow digital alterations?: Yes!

MY COMMENTS:
This is just a slightly stylized study. Shading wasn't really supposed to be a big part of this one, so it's cool to not comment on it. I know it's kinda messy. Also, I did my best with taking a picture of the drawing. Hopefully, it's clear enough. The reference is here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22028734235/in/album-72157659139295489/

MY QUESTIONS FOR THE GROUP:
The main thing I care about is just the overall anatomy. If I could please get some critiques on that, that'd be awesome.

Thanks a lot for your time.
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~JMW~
12-29-2016, 11:50 PM
Is there a photo ref image for this ?
Might help us give specific suggestions due to the angle of the view point.

Shoulder seems a bit sharp & small compared to face size.

some basic face proportions that will help -
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259176
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=226

12ocrow
12-30-2016, 12:12 AM
Is there a photo ref image for this ?
Might help us give specific suggestions due to the angle of the view point.

Shoulder seems a bit sharp & small compared to face size.

some basic face proportions that will help -
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259176
http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=226
Sorry, I didn't post the link to the reference right away. I didn't realize there was a minimum post rule at first. Thanks for the reply, too. I appreciate it.

La_
12-30-2016, 01:11 AM
see attached image
ignore the vertical lines, but look closely at the horizontal ones and you'll see where some adjustments could be made.

la

Journeyman
12-30-2016, 05:33 AM
You have the potential to become a good portrait artist but there are some observational errors.
In the profile of her right cheek the cheek is to high so when you used the correct angle from the cheek to the chin it made the face too wide. Then you slightly shortened the forehead, on top of this you used a too shallow angle for the hair, this reduced the volume of the back of the head. That is the biggest discrepance.

If you look for angles and lengths and are careful to get them correct at the beginning other things will fall into place and you can start looking for relationships and then the individual features.

:wave: Dave.

Jules Hilliard
12-30-2016, 11:30 PM
Life classes or portraiture classes, if you can find some would be a great help. If not try your local public library for books on the subject. And remember: Learn to See. And good luck.

Mark Szymanski
01-01-2017, 06:30 PM
When you're asking for a critique on overall anatomy, I understand this to be "did I put the stuff I drew in the right spots?" sort of question. Since you didn't reply to the others in the thread, I will assume this to be true.

La's very helpful horizontals and verticals can help.

Journeyman's also correct when looking for angles and lengths.

Certainly taking portraiture or life drawing classes can be a godsend.

I'll throw my two cents in as well...

First off, my suggestion is to learn the actual underlying anatomy of the head. There are bones, muscles, and fat which all play a part in the way things move (or don't move). For example the lower rim of the orbit is just under the skin *except* when smiling when soft tissue is pulled over the lower orbital rim a bit. Stuff like that happens. The problem is if you don't possess this knowledge, it makes it exponentially more difficult to "see" what is happening and so draw it accurately. Take a week and do some studies of the skull and also some of the muscles in the face, and then come back to this drawing again. You'll note right off some of the things which you've missed.

Now to the actual drawing, here are the a few of the things I think you've done well and maybe things not so well.

If I direct your attention to this line on the photo, I've drawn a line from the corner of the mouth vertically to see what anatomy falls on that line. The outer canthus (corner) of the eye happily falls on that line.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-girl_base_right_eye_location.jpg
There is also a bit of eyebrow extending past the line but most of the eyebrow is to the left of the line.

On your drawing when I draw a line vertically from the corner of the mouth vertically, we find a different location on the eye.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-Girl_Drawing_Right_eye_location.jpg

Instead of the line crossing the outer canthus, it crosses the iris of the eye near the pupil. Note also how close to the mid-point of the eyebrow the line is when compared to the photo.

The inner canthus of the eye is located a bit differently on the photo. Here the edge of the nose meets the inner eye.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-girl_base_inside_of_eye.jpg

and when we look at your drawing, your inner eye extends past this point by a small distance.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-Girl_Drawing_inside_of_eye.jpg

When we check the other inner border of the eye, here is what we get...

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-girl_base_Left_eye_mouth_and_nose.jpg

The inner eye, the edge of the nose, and very close to the corner of the mouth all fall on this line.

Looking at the drawing, we find you've nailed this pretty darned close.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-Girl_Drawing_left_eye_good.jpg

Yay!

Looking at the mouth, there is some differences between the photo and the drawing.

On the photo, if one draws a line from one corner of the mouth to the other corner of the mouth, we get this.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-girl_base_shape_of_mouth.jpg

A couple of things to note here... the tip of the nose touches this line. There is an angle to the line it isn't horizontal. Also, look at how far the center of the lip drops below the line.

Compared to the drawing...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-Girl_Drawing_shape_of_mouth.jpg
The angle is fairly close, but the nose isn't anywhere near this line (could be the mouth is too far down, or the nose is too short), and note the distance between the line and the upper lip... it is nearly superimposed.

Since I am talking about negative space here, I thought I will jump back up to the eye for a moment. The space between the eyelid and the eyebrow is a bit off...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-girl_eyes.jpg

If you notice the area in pink, and how much different in size they are.

Also the outer edge of the face has changed when you've translated this area.
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-girl_base_brow_outline.jpg

I drew a green vertical line from the edge of the eyebrow where it disappears. If I then draw a line down from this point to the edge of the cheek, I get the red line. Drawn upwards from this point I get the purple line. Note the angle between the vertical and the lines to the cheek and to the forehead.

On your drawing, when I do the same area...
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-Girl_Drawing_brow_outline.jpg

Notice how much closer to the vertical you've gotten. This is what has caused this area to seem a bit off.

There are many lines and angles one can use to double check to see if we've placed the lines correctly.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-girl_base_angles_carried.jpg

This is much easier when using a photo reference than using a live model, but the principle is the same... it is comparing something to something else. For example a line extended from the mouth outwards extends to near the ear. The eyebrow line will extend to the other outer eyelid. etc.

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/01-Jan-2017/1765836-Girl_Drawing_angles.jpg

Some lines meet correctly, some maybe not.

Nice job though!!! Lot's of work went into it I am sure.

12ocrow
01-05-2017, 12:12 AM
Sorry it took so long for me to reply; some stuff came up. Thanks a lot to everybody for the replies (especially Mark Szymanski) and for bein so patient with me.

To avoid sounding like I'm making a bunch of excuses I'll just say this:

I do know about the angles concept and I've studied facial anatomy to some extent, but I'm nowhere near where I wanna be with either one. I got a long way to go. Also, I agree with pretty much everything that was said.

Thanks again. It was above and beyond what I asked for.

I'll be back again at some point with a different drawing after I hit my anatomy resources really hard.

12o'crow