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GivenToFly
07-09-2015, 02:17 AM
MY IMAGE(S):
http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/upload_spool/07-09-2015/1971026_Ed1.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/upload_spool/07-09-2015/1971026_Ed2.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Critiques/upload_spool/07-09-2015/1971026_Ed4.jpg


GENERAL INFORMATION:
Title: Portrait 3 WIP
Year Created:
Medium: Pastel
Surface: Paper
Dimension: 60cm x 50cm
Allow digital alterations?: Yes!

MY COMMENTS:
I started this one today and thought id put it here so that maybe ill get pulled up on any problems before they become hazardous!
There is around 4 hours in this already including my line work.

MY QUESTIONS FOR THE GROUP:
So far so good ... I have to blend a few things and still have to put in heavier shadows on the face. I'd love for some C&C as im going along its a pain trying to fix things once the piece is "finished" so if you see anything please sing out :)

GivenToFly
07-09-2015, 02:18 AM
and my reference photo which is (obviously) black and white :rolleyes:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jul-2015/1971026-Eddie.jpg

cordobesa
07-09-2015, 09:56 AM
Very nicely done. I also like the picture you chose, the expression....not boring at all!
My only comment is that maybe his right eye is too big? Difficult to know because of the face expression, but it still looks too big for me. Or is the eyebrow too low? Hope this helps. Anyway I was looking at your works and they are amazing!

Bevahlee
07-09-2015, 12:47 PM
there seems to be some distortion in the photograph and photos do lie sometimes, but I put it in photoshop and the eyes do line up but in the painting the left eye is lower than the right.

GivenToFly
07-09-2015, 07:07 PM
Hi guys, thank you very much Cordobesa, that eye concerned me when I was in the sketch stage but I over lapped the image of him in photoshop and everything lined up so I went on to the pastel stage ... and thank you for your nice comment on my work ... forever striving for that "perfect" piece

Beverly his eyes are actually uneven in the photo, as I said to Cordobesa, I over lapped the image over my sketch to ensure my placements were true and correct. His head is actually tiled. If you run your line through the image you will see that his eyes aren't level in the image as well. I use my pc a lot in my process to get things where they should be in my sketch ... I guess its sort of like the grid people put in ... but I like to use my own lines as the grid and by over lapping I can get pretty close to accurate :)

I really appreciate the feedback and later today ill over lap what I have done so far to make sure I haven't taken any liberties :)

GivenToFly
07-09-2015, 07:15 PM
Here you go, I just went and did a over lap in photoshop and I was actually a little shocked at how close I have it! LOL

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/09-Jul-2015/1971026-EdOverlay.jpg

The photo is on 60% opacity in this image .... pretty weird looking image! LOL

GivenToFly
07-10-2015, 04:21 AM
A little more progress ... this was taken quiet late in the evening so the colours aren't showing all that true and some of the spots which are "popping" here don't seem to be standing out like that when looking with the naked eye

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2015/1971026-Ed5.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/10-Jul-2015/1971026-Ed6.jpg

Bevahlee
07-10-2015, 07:09 AM
good job. He just has weird eyes. lol

GivenToFly
07-10-2015, 08:47 PM
LOL ... he is a bit of a cheeky bugger! Hoping to get started on his hair today!

GivenToFly
07-11-2015, 05:02 AM
Started to put the hair and neck in today ... hair will need a few more layers before it starts to look how it should but its certainly a start!

I also lightened off the lips as suggested ... (sorry first photo I over saturated in photoshop)

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jul-2015/1971026-Ed7.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/11-Jul-2015/1971026-Ed10.jpg

GivenToFly
07-12-2015, 03:16 AM
Alrighty ... all finished and right now this minute im pretty happy with how he has finished up! ... the photos are always really washed out when directly uploaded so I always re saturate them in photoshop ... however they never colour up 100% true ... the bane of my life!!!! So there are a couple of photo's the same just saturated slightly differently as everyone's PC's are different ... I also included on de saturated one because it was a black and white reference I was working from and finally ... I included my reference again so any one who cares to can compare ... possibly a bit to dark on mine around the eyes ... but not to bad and I went a wee bit overboard with the hair on the left side top but no has ever complained about having to much hair ... right?? :lol:

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jul-2015/1971026-Ed12.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jul-2015/1971026-Ed11.jpg

http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jul-2015/1971026-Edbw.jpg http://www.wetcanvas.com/Community/images/12-Jul-2015/1971026-Edcrop.jpg

Josephcow
07-26-2015, 10:19 PM
Hi, I realize you are finished now. But feel the need to make some suggestions for the future.

I think you went about this in the wrong way. You started with just a line sketch-good- but then what bothers me is that you rendered it starting from the top of the forehead and worked your way down. Literally like a printer. It is best to bring the whole image up one level at a time. Starting with base layers of color, then the core shadow, then the darkest areas etc...

It is so much faster that way and you can see the whole image emerging at one time. Because you spot rendered, you ended up with a good likeness but values that do not match the reference (mainly forehead, whites of the eyes, and shadow under his lip)

GivenToFly
07-28-2015, 07:08 PM
Hi Joseph ... I didn't see your reply until now, so sorry for the late reply ... I work in that manner because of my medium which is pastel ... I might get away with your method for a smaller A4 piece but something this size (50 cms x 65cms) all I would end up with at the end is a giant big smudge ... the piece is life size and I work in patches so I don't smudge what I have already done (also why I start at the top of the piece). I have seen many people on here work in the manner you speak of but they are usually using oils/acrylics/colour pencil. So i'm not to sure how I can attack that in any other manner ... I might have to have a think about it for a while
cheers,

Emma

fritzie
07-31-2015, 09:55 PM
What a great face and nicely worked up in color!

I only wished that the initial photo hadn't had the distortion in it. Then neither would your pastel version.

Josephcow
08-01-2015, 10:24 AM
That makes sense to some extent. But to be honest I see a large surface as more of a reason to bring it up in layers! At no time should your skin touch the paper by accident, so I can't really imagine how it would get smudged. I haven't done a pastel work of that size ever though i have done greater than life size portraits in charcoal with little issue. so maybe theres just something i dont understand :) !

GivenToFly
08-01-2015, 07:29 PM
Thank you Fritzie ... I wish I had picked up the distortion before I started as well! ... something im more aware of now though.

Joseph my hand is in contact with the paper 97% of the time and that is quiet normal for people who use pastel, wether it be sticks or pencils (im using pencils here) .... and because of this I can only work in patches from left to right (also very normal for pastel users) ... the larger the piece the more important it is to work in this manner because there is more pastel on the page so more pastel to smudge. There is no way I could draw, keep my hand off the page and keep a steady hand. I know I also spend a lot of time spinning my page around trying to avoid the pastel I already have down ... its a very unstable medium.

I have never worked in charcoal so I can not comment as to wether it is more stable on a page ... but pastel is never stable and runs the risk of being smudged if it is simply brushed against so they must be stored very carefully as well ... all of mine go into frames when Im done to keep them safe.

I have done another portrait since this one which was an improvement on this one, so I think I just need to stay persistent and watch my blending and values ...

Thanks for your time though Joseph