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06-14-2015, 02:16 AM
This is Les Munro's Lancaster crossing the Dutch coast. Would really like some comment if I am on the right track as I haven't done a full moon night scene before. I have attached the beginning of the painting and the sketch.

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg579/longforgan/DSC_0005w_zpsfaud1yrc.jpg (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/longforgan/media/DSC_0005w_zpsfaud1yrc.jpg.html)

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg579/longforgan/herfst-op-vlieland-376426aw_zpsokta9hbf.jpg (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/longforgan/media/herfst-op-vlieland-376426aw_zpsokta9hbf.jpg.html)

06-14-2015, 11:33 AM
That is looking good so far,the light source to me looks as if it is high left out of picture if the highlights on the leading parts of the plane are staying.Early days yet.

06-14-2015, 12:39 PM
I think maybe doing some night time observation for details will be in order. Picking a full moon time with low light pollution doesn't give a whole lot of opportunities. Gut feeling says you will need to reduce visible detail. Artistic license will probably allow you to squeeze in some suggestions of detail though. The client will hopefully let you know what level he is going to want.

06-14-2015, 04:03 PM
Looks like the makings of a good painting, Napier. You'll

06-15-2015, 11:43 PM
didn't like the first one so started a new one yesterday. This is the bases of it.

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg579/longforgan/DSC_0006w_zpsgwg257nt.jpg (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/longforgan/media/DSC_0006w_zpsgwg257nt.jpg.html)

06-23-2015, 02:10 AM
I have had a chance to work on this today,Would love some feed back.

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg579/longforgan/DSC_0004w_zpssqdgtnjw.jpg (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/longforgan/media/DSC_0004w_zpssqdgtnjw.jpg.html)

06-23-2015, 07:32 AM
So far looks really good,is the green cast going to stay?

06-23-2015, 08:07 AM
there is a slight green cast to the painting which is in the shadow areas of the land and sea but not in the sky area. Just the way I took the photo at 5pm tonight near dusk.If you look at Anthony Sanders dam buster paintings his series are quite green.

06-23-2015, 08:17 AM
The scene looks good . Hard to say how you're doing with the colour though . That green cast in the photo doesn't look right .

06-23-2015, 03:11 PM
The comp looks very nice, I'm not sure about the green though. The evening sky can have a green tinge if there's no cloud and strong sunlight but this is night time, yes.?

06-23-2015, 03:58 PM
The main base for the sky is Cerulean Blue......so the green tinge you see is just a camera glitch....I had the same effect when I use that colour for the base of a sky

06-23-2015, 04:55 PM
I have a quick play with the background colours ,this is more how i would think it would look


06-23-2015, 05:02 PM
No nothing like that:o

06-23-2015, 05:07 PM
That's kinda Funky Trumps

06-23-2015, 06:22 PM
Looks to be developing well, napier.

06-23-2015, 06:29 PM
Well i am stumped then,flicking between the last 2 pictures the ground and background [not the aircraft] i cannot imagine it being that green,maybe it is my monitor.
Hopefully a more accurate photo can be posted of the colours ,the painting itself is superb just the colours for me at the moment ,but still early days and W I P . :)

06-24-2015, 05:12 AM
After viewing my post at work today I discovered one important thing photobucket does not like CMYK files and replicates them in a very strange way. It looked LIME GREEN on my work screen which is a PC, my home computer is a top line Mac as I do a lot of publishing work on it. I have converted the photo back to RGB with no other changes. Trump I now understand what you were talking about.:lol:
http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg579/longforgan/DSC_0004w_zps0nr3w1u0.jpg (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/longforgan/media/DSC_0004w_zps0nr3w1u0.jpg.html)

06-24-2015, 05:59 AM
:) THAT'S what i meant LOL :) ,lovely stuff ,no wonder you were confused with what i was seeing,looked like night vision goggles.
:) Brilliant ,love it.

06-27-2015, 04:48 PM
Napier, why do you call it your 'sketch' when it's someone else's work that you've run through a Photoshop/Gimp filter?

Here's the original:


At least give credit where it's due. As an amateur, if I use a photo or someone's 3D model off the net I'll at least say so.

06-27-2015, 09:10 PM
Monique before you jump in and get carried away the original pic was sent to me to use. I have emailed Peter and told him what I was doing and offered him a canvas of the final painting. Also there is no financial gain with this painting for me as it is being donated to go in an exhibition with Les Munro's medals and log books along with the portrait I have done of him. I have given canvas prints of any art I have used where I know the photographer or where I know the source and always contacted them.
I do believe it is time I leave this group as I seem to have become a punching bag for some of the members here and I really don't need this type of rubbish.
Most of the people here enjoy others art and are constructive with their comments but a few have over opinionated views of their own worth.

06-27-2015, 09:31 PM
I hope you won't do that, napier. I for one enjoy seeing your work and how you do it. It seems that people forget their manners and etiquette on the internet. I think we've all had similar situations happen. I always think if you feel you have a problem with someone, contact the person with a PM rather than the public PA system. It's just good manners and you don't end up looking foolish yourself. Working in digital I've had all kinds of accusations thrown at me over the years. So I for one sir, hope you will continue posting and ignore the background noise.

06-28-2015, 04:51 AM
Napier don't leave because one newbie doesn't know the facts,it's now up to him to apologise. As Gray says above ^^^^^^^^

06-28-2015, 06:28 AM
All this garbage started because someone claimed conjugal rights over a 70 year old photograph.........That is free of copyright ownership

All of you take a deep breath (or) I will post a WIP of a painting

You Have Been Warned :evil:

06-28-2015, 07:35 AM
I hope you don't leave Don - you are a good artist and contribute well to this forum.In the circumstances you describe I can't see that you did anything wrong as regards Peter's model although it might have been wiser to have given him a mention as the source .
As regards the Stirling painting - I'm in no position to know which painting started first , the two final versions are quite different and the source photo is open range for any artist to use in any case .
No , don't leave .

Chas McHugh
06-28-2015, 07:41 AM
As Gollums comment is aimed at myself; I shall reserve the right to defend it as a few assumptions have been made here:

MoniqueL has been on Wetcanvas since 2011 so is not quite a 'newbie'.

He may be a she - paintings assigned to that name on other threads are M Lyons.

He/she may not know about the Stirling debacle at all.

Len needs to revisit the dictionary definition of 'conjugal rights' as I am neither married to, nor do I have sex with my paintings, and I am offended at the tone of the comment.

Napier knowingly used exactly the same reference as me and kept it out of this forum until outed on a third party forum. It was underhand, and came here as a 'WIP' when almost complete. It is correct that I do not have an exclusive right to use that photograph, but there are some things that should not be done, and in my opinion, the same work at the same time is one of those things. I am entitled to my opinion just as everybody else is, and I will happily accept agreeing to disagree with anybody.

I cant wait for the conspiracy theory that 'I" am Monique!

I started my Stirling on 3 Feb 15 and Don started his 18 Apr 15, after abandoning the ill fated Beaufighter composition that I had warned him was fatally flawed. I wish I had kept my mouth shut and let him waste his time with it.

06-28-2015, 08:20 AM
Napier knowingly used exactly the same reference as me
Not true until you pointed it out. Yes i knew you were doing a Stirling but not your reference photo.
after abandoning the ill fated Beaufighter composition that I had warned him was fatally flawed. I wish I had kept my mouth shut and let him waste his time with it.
Chas your arrogance stuns me I have put aside that painting you may think it is flawed others do not. It is one that I am going to used on the cover of the book I am writing on the No 489 (NZ) squadron. I think that your opinions are pompous egotistical and I get the distinct impression that you put your art in the same camp as the likes of RT, John Young, and many of the other great aviation artist. Let you into a secret Chas YOU ARE NOT and its the attitude you have towards others is why you don't get on with the artist societies you join and fall out with. I have only been painting since January 2012 and it has been groups like this that has help me advance to where I am now. I think you have been painting a lot longer than I have. This is my last post on the aviation wet canvas. Perhaps I will do a Vulcan bomber after I have finished the Lanc

06-28-2015, 08:20 AM
People often find insult in the way sailors speak

As to the Stirling, both are different & I have also used that picture in the past, I expect people used it long before I did...it shows the Stirling at it's best

I have also used the same B-17 picture that Don used a few months ago......same photograph different painting

I think everyone should sit down with a nice cup of tea and take a deep breath... and then get back to some painting :)

06-28-2015, 11:22 AM
Napier do not leave - I enjoy your contributions very much. As for using a photo sent to you for a work, that has happened to me as well and the commission came though a major California art gallery (you would all know the name). Also I can point out one or two Robert Taylor subjects that came straight from photos with little (markings) or no changes and I don't ever remember seeing that a permission was granted ALTHOUGH it may have been. I don't quite understand the reason why MoniqueL was quite so harsh. I have work that has been stolen by the Chinese and now appears on clocks etc. Now that is something to get mad about!

06-28-2015, 12:00 PM
RT's first successful print was strait from a photograph & have notice others he has done strait from a photograph & not all in his early years

06-28-2015, 01:51 PM
This is what destroys good forums. I just wish people would keep their dumb ass comments to themselves in a public forum. If you have a complaint use the Personal Message (PM) option, because the rest of us don't want to listen to the divisive dialogue. We're all here to learn about aviation art, leave the other drama out of it.

06-28-2015, 04:20 PM
Hear ,hear Gray - lets get back to art and quit the drama . Nobody got hurt and no money was lost so keep things in perspective - mark cards if you need to but don't air it all in public .

06-29-2015, 05:38 AM
I think this validates me and my integrity this is from Piotr forkasiewicz re me using is art work.

Hi Don,
Thank You very much for your e-mail. Please don't worry about using my render. You are very kind and noble You have informed me about it. Truly unusual. I don't mind You used my render. You are doing beautiful painting and I hope this will look lovely in the museum. You don't have to send me the canvas since I realise what are the costs of making copies. But if You have it scanned please send me the small preview. I will be very happy to see the final painting.
all the best
Nothing else to say really.

06-29-2015, 09:06 AM

07-03-2015, 06:42 PM
http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg579/longforgan/DSC_0005%201w_zps5xrnddo4.jpg (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/longforgan/media/DSC_0005%201w_zps5xrnddo4.jpg.html)

http://i1244.photobucket.com/albums/gg579/longforgan/DSC_0015w_zpsfwsakaj6.jpg (http://s1244.photobucket.com/user/longforgan/media/DSC_0015w_zpsfwsakaj6.jpg.html)

07-03-2015, 08:45 PM
That's looking first class, Napier.

07-04-2015, 03:04 AM
great atmosphere Don.. possibly your best so far.

07-05-2015, 04:11 PM
Right ,getting back to the painting,i think it looks great [and not luminous green LOL :evil: ) :wave: .How far along towards the finish are you?